Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 110 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 11:03 am: | |
Seeing what was hidden underneath the modernization projects that occurred along Woodward before the superbowl made me wonder what other architectural splendors are hidden. There are a number of buildings/facades downtown I expect are hiding some great architecture. Where are they? What are they hiding? To start out is any of the original building on the triangle at Lafayette and Michigan still there? Does anybody have information on the modernization project? Here are some photos to start this threat out. Lafayette and Michigan from the Wayne State archive: Link to a current photo on flickr.com: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southen/95067088/ I am not sure the rules on downloading and pasting photos from flickr. I would imagine "southen" is also on this board and I would not want to infringe on his photos as I appreciate viewing them on flickr. How about the building kitty corner from the UA and across the street from the Michigan Theatre Building? I have long wondered about what is underneath the slick modern skin no covering it. (Message edited by rust on March 01, 2006) |
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw
Post Number: 125 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 148.61.248.170
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:03 pm: | |
Is that seriously what's behind the Coney Island! Ok, tonight, we'll all go there with some chains and trucks, and we'll yank that covering off! |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 111 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:13 pm: | |
Jasoncw, I don't know if any part of the older building is still there. The newer building is 2 stories shorter. Is it a brand new building? Did they just remove the upper floors from the old building? Is there any part of the original architecture underneath the modern skin? |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 992 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.33
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:31 pm: | |
I have to agree, Rust. The new building is significantly shorter than the old, so my guess is that it's a completely different building. (Or perhaps they removed the upper floors, but that seems unlikely.) Oh well. That old building looked great, especially the roof. Here's a pic of mine of the building from Superbowl weekend:
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Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:38 pm: | |
My guess is that the dirt underneath is original. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 908 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 204.39.225.143
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:40 pm: | |
The only building that looks original is the one closest to the Lafayette Building |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 1050 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:53 pm: | |
If you look at the top photo, on the far right is the 1000 Woodward building. This means the photo was taken in the early to mid '60's. I have been in the builings in question and they are old. They are not new constricton. The Layfayette and National CIs have had false fronts put up to make them level with each other. I would say the buildings in the top photo lay underneth the '70s facades. I am sure much of the cornice work is gone though. |
Fury13
Member Username: Fury13
Post Number: 969 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:56 pm: | |
The pie-shaped building certainly looks like a four-story building in the recent photo. I wonder if the top floor was lopped off? |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 8155 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.71.59.140
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 1:09 pm: | |
I think the roof was removed which shortened the building somewhat. Now intead of a mansard style roof, it is just a flat-top. I believe it is still the same building. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 112 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 2:11 pm: | |
Does anybody have a good photo of the Neudeck Building (I think this is or was its name) on Bagley and Third? I think the county uses it for offices. I believe this is a historic building that underwent a major facade modernization. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 113 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 68.43.180.171
| Posted on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 9:48 pm: | |
Well I went and retreived my own photos of the Neudeck Building: It appears that the Facade was built on top of the old facade. How much was destroyed during the construction? From the back you can see the outline of three bricked in arches on the upper most story: Near the Neudeck building on Washington next to Himelhoch's is the the Clairidge Apartments, which also appears to have a modern facade attached on top of an older facade: It appears that the Clairidge's facade was modernized at least twice. The store entrance on the north appears to have Art Deco details: Closeup: From the side nearest the Whitney you can see old red brickwork: From the rear you can see bricked in arches and rough foundation stones: Over on Broadway next to the Hub is another apparent cover up: I am really curious to know what is left under the modernized facades if anything. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 909 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 204.39.225.113
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 3:56 am: | |
Rust the last pic was outed on a thread about the Broadway streetscape project a while back I will see if I can dig it up in the archives for you. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3272 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 4:16 am: | |
Yeah, the Claridge House was definitely modernized. My aunt and uncle used to live there, and it has historic lofts inside. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 115 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 8:17 am: | |
From the WSU archive here is a closeup of the entrance dated as the 1930's: You can see the "fluted" stone work (if that is the correct term)on the third store front in this picture: Also from WSU archive here is a shot of the southeast side of the Neudeck building. It appears that it was once the home "Detroit City Gas":
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Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn
Post Number: 203 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.73.199.142
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 10:21 am: | |
This is the building on Broadway. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 116 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 11:21 am: | |
Chris_Rohn, Thanks, I wonder how much damage they did to the Cornice when slapped on the Aluminum siding. |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1203 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.238.170.40
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 11:29 am: | |
With a lot of the "modernizations" that happened in the 50s and 60s, cornices and detail work were chiseled off the buildings so that "beautiful" metal sheathing could be installed over the architectural details. Fortunately many of the cornices were cast iron and can be replicated in cast iron or newer materials that don't rust and put back on the building, although at a fairly significant cost. For brick detailing (window details are usually in brick) that gets difficult and very expensive. You've got to hire a company to come out and undo the damage and then redo the work the way it was originally. This is made difficult because it's now a finished building and when you disturb one area, it inevitably affects other areas of the building you didn't want to damage. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 117 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 2:46 pm: | |
To the Architects out there: In regards to the building on Broadway. At any point in time would the addition of the bland metal siding have been seen as stylistic enhancement or was it more likely done by the building owner as means of reducing maintainence costs? |
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn
Post Number: 204 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.73.199.142
| Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 2:50 pm: | |
It was a response to malls in the suburbs. For some reason, a lot of people thought downtowns were dying because they didn't look modern. This caused a wild trend of doing things like slapping siding over buildings and putting up covered walkways over the sidewalks to make them look like the malls. |
Erikd Member Username: Erikd
Post Number: 543 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106
| Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 10:29 pm: | |
I just can't imagine that anybody ever thought these "modern" facades looked good. |
Fury13
Member Username: Fury13
Post Number: 978 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.204
| Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 10:35 pm: | |
But they did. In post-WW II America, new was always better. It was the dawn of the Space Age. Historic architecture was considered dated, even backward. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 912 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 204.39.224.29
| Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 11:25 pm: | |
I know this is in Detroit but I thought I would share an interesting a way before, before and after shot of a building up here in Flint, Original building in a 1895 shot that i got from my copy of "Picture History of Flint" can't remember where I found this but this is what Pauls pipe shop looked like a little over a year ago. This is a picture i took shortly after they finished. I believe there is a plan to restore the other half when they find a tennant for the old Classic Talor shop. It is too bad they will probably never restore the cornice. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 118 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 68.43.180.171
| Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 9:13 am: | |
Great pictures Gumby!! I love seeing a historic/more urban and pedestrian friendly facade restored. |
Publicmsu Member Username: Publicmsu
Post Number: 609 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.65.11.17
| Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 9:56 am: | |
This is what lurks underneath.
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Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 295 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57
| Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 10:53 am: | |
Yikes, please tell me that's not from jobbie nooner. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 121 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 11:50 am: | |
Jumping back to the Clairidge apartments here is a snapshot from the WSU archive: It is the building just to right of center between the Himelhochs building and the Statler. It appears the fifth floor had arched windows on the south part of the facade. |
Restoretheroar Member Username: Restoretheroar
Post Number: 669 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 199.67.138.20
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:01 pm: | |
Public- that picture has to be from Jersey shore. That is at least 10x tuffer than Metro Beach. |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 122 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 4:12 pm: | |
Digging thru the UCCA website (detroitmidtown.com) I came across a blurb on the former labor building. Googling on the firm that has purchased this building and is in the process of renovating brought me to this nice history of the building which reveals the extensive modernization and colorful history this building has undergone. see pdf file on this site. http://www.lakeshoreeng.com/ne ws.htm (Message edited by rust on March 06, 2006) |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 123 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 12:08 pm: | |
In regards to the American Coney island building I am pretty sure that building is the original building. looking at the building from the west on Lafayette Ave. you can see the old detroit red bricks above the shorter part of the american coney island. It would appear then that they removed the upper floors at the time they modernized the lower floors. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1851 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.186.81
| Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 11:17 pm: | |
One has to realize that in the 1950's and 1960's "old" was out and "new" was all the rage...... the mantra was "look at all the expense we went thru so you won't have to look at all that old stuff anymore". And now since the 1980's and post modernism, things have turned 180 degrees.... |
Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 125 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 8:18 am: | |
Detroit has some great architecture and it also has its share of mistakes. I feel that these modernizations viewed from todays perspective are mistakes. It would be valuable as Detroit redevelops to have an inventory of buildings that have more underneath than on the surface. This could be used as a guide to would be redevelopers on the true potential of a building. |