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Dougw
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Post Number: 999
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/7589458/detail.html


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After hours of debate, the Detroit City Council voted 6-3 Wednesday to keep the Detroit Zoo open.

Under the agreement, the Detroit Zoo will be transferred over to the Detroit Zoological Society, and council members say the mayor's appearance may have made a difference.

"I suggested the mayor to come up and sell this issue, and I think that definitely helped," said City Council President Ken Cockrell, Jr.

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Dougw
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Channel 4 reports that Barbara-Rose Collins, Joann Watson and Brenda Jones were the 3 votes against.
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Thecarl
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Channel 4 reports that Barbara-Rose Collins, Joann Watson and Brenda Jones were the 3 votes against.




i'm guessing that under the new contract (budget), some friends of the councilpersons mentioned may no longer be getting a slice of the pie.

this detroit-versus-suburbs thing is a subterfuge. the mayor and city council have been taking advantage of a downtrodden city, and manipulating the electorate so that whatever gains the city might have made, have been steered into the pockets of the elected, and their friends, and their family.

this method of operation has become too formulaic. detroit's leadership influences its constituents by suggesting that the suburbanites (whites) wish to rob detroit of its jewels (wealth). in fact, detroiters are robbed by its administration, while those who would love to see the resurgence of the city are left at bay.

who's zoomin' who?
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 3270
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I completely agree with Ken Cockrel, Jr. It's time for the mayor to shop this idea around to metro Detroit leadership, and the private sector if the metro public sector refuses to take up this burden.

This is far from over.
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Swingline
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Post Number: 410
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The City Council held a public hearing on Wednesday just prior to voting on the Zoo deal. I have seen numerous public hearings held in a many different cities, including Detroit, involving a variety of issues. These kinds of proceedings are often raucous, emotional and, of course, long-winded.

Nonetheless, I was astonished by the level of anger, hatred and racism expressed by many of the speakers. These speakers opposed the transfer of the zoo operations but most of them had no familiarity with the details of what was being proposed. Their opposition arose only out of the belief that the zoo somehow belonged only to Detroit and that the deal was a giveaway to white suburbanites. Many seemed to be plainly ignorant of the fact that it costs the city money out of the general fund to run the zoo. A couple of folks even expressed the belief that the zoo was a "moneymaker" that was being "given" away. It was clear that many of the speakers couldn't care less about the details of the zoo's financial problems or its importance to the city and the region, rather, they needed an excuse to sound off about Detroiters being disrespected. Far too many of the comments of the speakers at the hearing used the opportunity to voice shameful and self absorbed viewpoints. I'm grateful that the City Council was not swayed by the race baiting.
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Nellonfury
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Now that's what I'm talking about!!!!! Thanks to ALL of us, we save a gem of our city from going down to drain!!!! Screw you Barbara-Rose Collins, Joann Watson and Brenda Jones!!! Now it's over it,I'm planning to pay a visit at the zoo when the weather gets warm......but the budget cuts war is far from over.
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Itsjeff
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Post Number: 5622
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Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 8:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FYI, I drove by the Zoo this morning and was surprised to see that Kwame Kilpatrick's name is still on the watertower. I was sure that Brooks would have clambered up and painted over it by now.
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Arab_guyumich
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Post Number: 760
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Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 9:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeff, did you see the exhibit on inflatable rats by any chance?
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Machoken
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I know you're joking ItsJeff, but I heard Detroit Zoological Society Board Chair Gail Warden this morning on WDET talking (very slowly...) about the zoo, and he said as long as the city retains ownership the mayor's name will remain on the tower.
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Gildas
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Forget stopping by, JOIN THE ZOO and show some real support.
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Itsjeff
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I was joking, but - this being metro Detroit - I'm sure this will be a hot topic if regional funding is ever proposed. For a lot of people, the refusal to take the Mayor's name off the watertower will be a deal breaker.
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Machoken
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Very petty, but probably true.
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Ilovedetroit
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Post Number: 2105
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His name is staying on the tower itsjeff...I heard that on NPR this morning from the Zoological President.
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Itsjeff
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I know. I'm just predicting that if the issue of regional funding comes up, a lot of people will insist that the name come down.
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Bob
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There is still a hinge on this plan, the $4 million from the state that was lost when CC turned down the first proposal. Our state legislature is not so ready to relegislate the deal to give the zoo the money. The westsiders are all saying we screwed up and blew our chance. The $4 million is not a given anymore, so that money still has to come from somewhere, Channel 4 & 7 can't raise $4 million outside the zoo from individuals.
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Atl_runner
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There is no reason now, or ever, to take the Mayor's name off. It's almost tradition, and if the name stays 'The Detroit Zoo', then the Mayor's name almost has to stay up there for the mere fact that it truly belongs there. Detroit will always define the region.
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Bob
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Post Number: 792
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Let's continue this tradition and next to the Thinker outside the DIA, we can put a statue of the mayor in the same pose, or just put his/her name on the side of the building.
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Goat
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Or a staute of KK with a spotlight for his earring shining for all to see while money looks like it is falling out of his pockets...that would work.
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Jt1
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So what capital improvements in the city will be delayed due to the $10 MM one time payment.

I am glad the city will no longer be eating 5-6MM per year but the people bitching about the city don't seem to recognize that we are handing over $10 MM that we could desperately use to upgrade streets, lights, sewers, sidewalks, etc.

Glad it is one less operational burden but it's funny that those bitching about the city don't even talk about this little gift from the city and the city tax payers.
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Fishtoes2000
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That 1928 water tower was saved from being demolished by Mayor Young. The Mayor overrode the recommendations of the Detroit Zoo Commission saying it was a historic landmark and directional guide for the Zoo. It was last used for water storage in 1985. During the I-696 construction, it was turned over to the Zoo. They painted it and added the Mayor's name some time thereafter.
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Jfried
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Glad it is one less operational burden but it's funny that those bitching about the city don't even talk about this little gift from the city and the city tax payers.
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jt1 - how is it a gift? the city still owns the infrastructure.
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Smogboy
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Regarding the mayor's name on the Zoo tower--WHY???

I say that it should be stricken from there. And not wanting to bring politics into it but think about the cost it takes everytime we elect a new mayor we have to send a crew up there to remove it and replace it with their moniker.

I felt the same way about how the Secretary of State gets their name plastered all of their offices and then when they move on, we the taxpayers have to incur the costs of replacing all of them- whether it's just in removing them or to update them with another name.

The Zoo tower does not need Kwame's, LBP's or anyone else's name on it.
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Publicmsu
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Guess I wont be purchasing a white rhino this spring. :-(
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Rasputin
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For those that DON'T KNOW .... the Mayor still runs the Zoo and appoints the Zoo Director ... the Society reports to the Mayor by way of Zoo Director!! & the Commisssion is still an ADVISORY, noy decision making body!! Read the City Charter, which wasn't amended in this process.

Black-atcha ..... roflmbao, as white folk cough up the dough, thinking they done took something!!
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Jt1
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JFried - It depends upon what the money is used for. If it is for anything beyond road/sewer/lighting it is a waste as far as I'm concerned.

If the DZS wants to upgrade the displays, animal homes than should be on them to do the fundraising.

Bottom line is that the city needs many capital improvements in the city and that money could be well used in the city itself, not at the Zoo.

Most of the people bitching now have gone silent and are not acknowledging that the city, not the DZS, not the State, not the suburbs are stepping up with city dollars to support infrastructure improvements.

I can't wait to hear the bitching when the DZS raises the rates a few dollars a person and hear how 'outraged' people are about this.
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Smogboy
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Was there anyone here who REALLY thought the Zoo was going to close? I'm sure there was a remote chance of it happening but wouldn't it have been political suicide to not favor keeping this regional gem open? It's literally one of the FEW destinations to take people in the area.
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Michigansheik
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As a cost saving measure they should no longer have a name on the tower period!.
This way they can feed the animals with the $50k they won't be giving to Ferguson Painters.
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Publicmsu
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And then the employees of Ferguson Painters wouldn't be able to take their children to the zoo... it's all a very vicious cycle!
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Solarflare
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Didn't the Sect of State change the practice of updating everyting with the new Sect name in order to save $$? I remeber hearing that a few years back and thinking the exact same thing about the Zoo h20 tower.
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Gdub
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The vast majority of capital funds are from corporations and wealthy individuals. City money is not used for structural improvements at the zoo. And funds are not diverted from otherwise city-funded line items to be spent on new and improved facilities. Capital funds are mostly earmarked for specific projects, and would not be donated unless they were spent on particular projects.

As an example, Ford donated $5 million for the new education center that just opened at the zoo. If Ford hadn't donated those funds (which were intended only for the construction of a new facility), then the thing would not have been built. And that money has nothing to do with the city.

Entrance fees will likely rise a bit, unless there's a surge in new memberships. It may seem a little steep, at $11.50 for adults (I think), but the park is 125 acres, you can spend most of a day there, and, for a couple more dollars than a movie, it's likely to be more fulfilling than a trip to the multiplex. Anyway, the San Diego Zoo by comparison, is $35 or more (yeah, it's a bigger deal, but still).
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Solarflare
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Just answered my own question:


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She also broke the tradition of plastering the boss' name on the front of all branch offices -- as her predecessors Richard Austin and Miller had done. Land replaced Miller's name with the Secretary of State Web site,www.michigan.gov/sos. In the era of term limits, she said it made no sense to change the marquees every four or eight years.




Google cache from a dead freep article...
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Jt1
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Correct - but the agreement calls for CoD to gove $10 MM in capital funds to the zoo. That $10 MM is CoD capital funds that could have been used to upgrade roads, lights, etc within the 139 Sq. Miles of Detroit.
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Gdub
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The last capital campaign, which ended late last year, raised close to $50 million in private and corporate donations, so $10 million from the city is reasonable. Yeah, it could be put to use for other things in the city, but if the city were managed better, then they could have their cake and eat it, too. If the city wants so badly to maintain "ownership" of the zoo, they have to put up something. If they don't provide funds, they really should have no right to control any aspect of zoo operations.
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Smogboy
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Bravo to Terry Lynn Land then! It just makes fiscal sense to me and besides it always seemed to strike of trying to get your name out there so many times that the people would vote for you JUST out of name recognition. No more names on places/ positions that have term limits makes complete sense to me.
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Metrodetguy
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Jt1, actually no it couldn't.
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Jt1
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Please explain. It is money that comes from funds allocated for Detroit capital improvements. The money is being diverted to capital improvements at the zoo instead of the city.

If it not allocated for Detroit CI where did it come from?
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Metrodetguy
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The $10M bond approved by Detroit voters specifically called for the money to be used for the zoo.
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Jt1
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Posted on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 10:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My bad. Thnaks for the clarification. I was told otherwise.
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Danny
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YAAAYYYYYY!!!!!! I knew that City "CLOWNSIL" would get their act toghether.

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