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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 7:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am new to this board, but you people are full of it. Complaining about a new Staples? Are you so interwoven in the IDEA of Detroit that you have lost the main reason why you bitch in the first place. We need every corporate entity to embrace our neighborhoods, be it a Staples or (heaven forbid you shop at a) Meijers.
The audacity(sp?) of someone trying to threaten a major corp. for taking a chance in setting up shop in one of our neighborhoods is so counterproductive to the good things that make a site like this active.
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all need this type of activity regardless if it looks like a car wash or a chuck e' cheese. you want progress, here it is.
you still want to live in a Mad Max society.....move to Gary, IN.
This is not a threat, just a wake up call. And for those who bitch about new jobs and developments, check with your realator, they will have a smile on their face.
In the end, we all want to live comfortable and safe, so why fight against what we all want?
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Naturalsister
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Username: Naturalsister

Post Number: 487
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.42.169.65
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 7:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OOOOH!

Doobie puttin' it down in his/her first post.

Get ready Doobie - they're coming.

later - naturalsister
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Mcpd1300
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Username: Mcpd1300

Post Number: 70
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 68.42.175.57
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, because we don't have enough car washes around this city as it is. Please, I need another "Hand Car Wash" in my neighborhood... the current 25 of them can't keep up with the demand.

And thank god you're not threatening us... just waking us up. I think i'll stick with my current alarm clock, thanks...
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Islandman
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Username: Islandman

Post Number: 92
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 68.42.171.59
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie,

Not only are they not joking, neither lives within miles (or states) of the development. It's crazy, and criticism never ever happens on here.

Welcome to the Thunderdome!
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Appriciate the slap on the back island...
I am ready for the onslaught. I'm not scared. I live in rivertown.
As far as this Mcshitty comment dude, are you really pissed about carwashes? Nothing like a job to make someone uncomfortable around here. The whole point was a jab at the idea that the
building will not fit into the scheme of the area. Grow up buddy. As far as your alarm clock...bought it in Royal Oak dindn't ya? Got ya!!

The whole intent of me wasting my Sunday posting on this crazy board was to tell people like you to fight a bigger battle. Stop worrying about shite and make your community better.
Stop your enema treatments for 20 and take a deep breath. It'll be OK.......as long as a-holes like you stay out of the way of progress. The small buisnessman is the lifeblood of progress.


btw..your welcome, ring, mutherfukerring.
--lates
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Shave
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Username: Shave

Post Number: 1060
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Dad...what's wrong with that person?
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Mcpd1300
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Username: Mcpd1300

Post Number: 71
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 68.42.175.57
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL, dude... i shop in Detroit, live in Detroit, and live for Detroit. And next time you want to encourage people to "fight a bigger battle", you might want to do it in a slightly less inflammatory and vulgar manner. It might be a bit more well received.
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Jimaz
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Username: Jimaz

Post Number: 318
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 68.2.191.57
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Love the Mad Max/Thunderdome reference.

Auntie Entity: Well, ain't we a pair, Raggedy Man. So long, soldier.

Ti-NA! Ti-NA! Ti-NA!
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think my subject line sums you up.
You live in Detroit and you are for Detroit? How about not typing a subtle racist remark. High and Mighty.
btw..nice use of big words.For a jerk, just to let you know, you don't start a sentence with "And".
LOL at you too
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Shave
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Username: Shave

Post Number: 1062
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Darn...angry and overly sensitive, too.

***scratching head trying to figure out the "subtle racist remark" supposedly made by Mcpd1300***

Hmmm...
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Toybreaker
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Username: Toybreaker

Post Number: 35
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 68.73.58.110
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie, why don't go go smoke one and chill the ____ out. Meanwhile, donning asbestos undies might be wise.
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Super_d
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Username: Super_d

Post Number: 746
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 205.188.116.137
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could it be!....... 'William X' is back!__keep those inner-city people in check!:-)

super d(motordetroit)
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 8:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So are we gonna talk productive anytime soon? That would be better then comparing dick size over the net.
If you wanna have a pissing match, so be it. I'd rather be productive. Let me know.
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Shave
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Username: Shave

Post Number: 1063
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Super_d,

Doobie is not William_x. Although William_x oftentimes bungled his thoughts and his words, he had a very sensitive and caring side that came out in his posts. I do miss him and really wish for him to come back to the forum and express himself as best he knows. He is missed a great deal...at least on this end.
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I need a 6 ply tissue.
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The_aram
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Username: The_aram

Post Number: 4704
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 141.213.175.233
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know who else must be joking? Lowell, for letting Rasputin come up in here for YEARS and spout off racist bullshit at everybody with next to no censorship.

This guy doesn't appreciate being referred to as a "sand nigger."

I often wonder what Ras did to get such preferential treatment.
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Nip
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Username: Nip

Post Number: 57
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 68.21.41.234
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie, what exactly are you doing to make your community better?
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Super_d
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Username: Super_d

Post Number: 747
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 205.188.116.137
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

:-):-):-) that's pretty good 'Shave'___your right! him was more compassionite then doobie was:-)

super d(motordetroit)
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Super_d
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Username: Super_d

Post Number: 748
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 205.188.116.137
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

10, 9, 8, ......Waiting on 'Raz' to light into the 'The_aram'!

super d(motordetroit)
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 9:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nip,
Come down to my day to day world, meet me and you wion't regret it. Can't type more because im busy.

--later
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Mcpd1300
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Username: Mcpd1300

Post Number: 72
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 68.42.175.57
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I too am puzzled as to what my "subtle racist remark" was. If you want to be "productive", try not to be offensive and immature in your posts. Get off your soap box and actually DO something, or at least site things you have done in this community to improve it.
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Arab_guyumich
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Username: Arab_guyumich

Post Number: 763
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 69.14.179.212
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This thread makes the baby Jesus cry.
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Zulu_warrior
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Username: Zulu_warrior

Post Number: 2581
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 205.188.116.137
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome to the board doobie225.....
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Hornwrecker
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Username: Hornwrecker

Post Number: 877
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 63.41.8.26
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Shave
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Username: Shave

Post Number: 1064
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Who was that crazy poster a while back that attacked everyone and was kicked off shortly thereafter? I believe this Doobie character is him.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Username: Motorcitymayor2026

Post Number: 555
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 71.10.63.140
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

mellodrama??? tee hee
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Shave
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Username: Shave

Post Number: 1065
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 10:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh yes...Ol' Mellodrama.
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Easydoesit
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Username: Easydoesit

Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 69.246.122.172
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2006 - 11:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

umm... I need help understanding this.... why are you guys actually responding to Doobie's bullshit??? please let me know...
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Mcdirt
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Username: Mcdirt

Post Number: 27
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 65.29.98.237
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie, a suggestion. Let these folks know what "bigger battles" and "productive" efforts you're engaged in. That might help them look beyond your "look at me" entrance to the board.
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Nip
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Username: Nip

Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 68.21.41.234
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Quote:

"Nip, Come down to my day to day world, meet me and you wion't regret it. Can't type more because im busy. "

Sounds intriguing. How about a rough overview of your community activism first...
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Nip
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Username: Nip

Post Number: 59
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 68.21.41.234
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW- Im not being sarcastic or condescending, just curious. I like your attitude.
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.248.16.12
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is funny is that while I am accused of being several people I am not, my girl is yelling at me for even bothering with this.

If I were in high school I would do this for fun. However, I am well past this. I was simply looking for a website ( not SITE.....which is spelled cite) to talk amoung adults. So.....unless anyone wants to talk productively and not make a loogie length contest. I'm out. For all of those who wanna bite off on an intelligent thought for your little click, have fun.
Mcyousuck....if you can't understand the fact that you are actually dissing your own economy, sorry. By crappping on your local buisinesses you are showing the world that you are too good to deal with people who have to struggle to make a living. Please dont pass judgement on us.
Not trying to create drama, but if you wanna bring it, post your resume and I will give you mine. Then we can compare who is the civic visionary. dude.
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 8
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.248.16.12
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry for coming off hostile, that shite just pisses me off. I would love to have a productive roundtable with the peeps who can get passed the pissing contest I have created in this thread. Come to rivertown any day and ask where I'm at. It is not a big world down here.
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Jfwaterburry
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Username: Jfwaterburry

Post Number: 37
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 66.73.164.166
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd like to start a loogie length contest... so that Doobie will leave.

Anyone want to help?
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 9
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.248.16.12
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you are cool...sorry I didn't get the memo that real discussions would occur.
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Mackinaw
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Username: Mackinaw

Post Number: 1235
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 141.213.173.94
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie225, you are very right in asserting that we need any and all business activity IN the city, and that we should be very welcoming to any potential businesses, big and especially small.

I don't think the implication of the 'letter to Staples re: the building' was that they should build an urban style big box "or else." Or that they shouldn't come here if they aren't gonna build the sort of building we want. We aren't Boston or New York...we have plenty of empty space and demand for it remains low...but I still believe that it is worth a try (to ask them for a building that is complementary to our previous built environment.) This IS a city, with a history and heritage, and we should at least discuss matters like this, no matter how nit-picky they sound. If the goal was just to attract businesses so that they can be as profitable as possible and not put any emphasis on what they actually build, then that is a good recipe for having Detroit turned into something that resembles Gratiot at 14 mile. Cities have ordinances and codes. They can control what type of building goes where. They have trememdous control over what our built environment will look like. We don't want to be so overbearing that Staples or any other potential tenant just says, 'forget it,' but we do want some modest standards. Perhaps that letter should have been directed to the city and not to Staples, but we'll see what Staples gives us.

Doobie, you haven't had the most auspicious start here, but as long as you don't fall into the habit of stereotyping people, name-calling, or being a wacky communist (I can tell by your first post that you're probably not), then you'll always have that desired productive roundtable with me. You could even be a communist...I'd still have that roundtable, i just wouldn't like you that much.
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Ilovedetroit
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Username: Ilovedetroit

Post Number: 2110
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 69.246.57.75
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YAY! Someone is a bigger butt head than a few others on here...welcome Doobie. You make me look like a Bush Republican :-)
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Mbr
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Username: Mbr

Post Number: 42
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 69.246.43.231
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie, The futility of your post is that you somehow believe this group has the power to stop the wheels which have been set into motion for building a Staples. We argue as an exercise in creativity so that it may be applied to debate over how we plan to create/improve our built environment. Comfort and safety are important givens but many of us demand more in the way of walkability, aesthetic value, sustainability, historical context, etc. There is absolutely no harm in this at all.
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Michigansheik
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Username: Michigansheik

Post Number: 97
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 69.242.214.54
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 12:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

no one is saying you can't be pissed on here doobie but there are ways to sound less hostile. You mentioned that you want to talk to adults well you have us here. If someone disagrees with you it's not the start of a pissing contest, just a different viewpoint.
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.248.16.12
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 1:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mbr,
true enough.( im gonna stop with the correct punctuation from now on) there is no futility in my postings. the point is exactly what you said yourself. an exercise is just that. preparing to do something and getting in the right frame of mind or shape, for that matter, does nothing. it is like what i said up there, bitch about the important things. When you need a xerox machine then bitch about the service at said staples.
do yourselves a favor and come to the river and talk to me in person. alot cooler than trying to infer meaning from a text post.
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Broken_main
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Username: Broken_main

Post Number: 867
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 69.222.11.226
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 2:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome to the board Doobie. I appreciate your strong first post and understand where you coming from.

ILD...always wonderful to see you posting!!!

To the forum...Doobie has made a strong point. Its so wrong to complain and bitch about not having business look upon Detroit to locate and then get all upset about how the building will look. Like so many threads that are on the forum, the Staples thread has morphed into yet another Detroityes! bitch and moan session.

Sometimes I feel that WE tend to be the problem when it comes to the growth of our city.
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Mcpd1300
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Username: Mcpd1300

Post Number: 73
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 68.42.175.57
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 2:41 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dude, you keep screamin' for an "adult roundtable" but you're alienating a lot of people on this page. Pardon my spelling errors, I don't claim to be the grammar police, but I haven't made any personal attacks on you, so I would appreciate you doing the same. We're all on this forum to share our views and concerns about the City of Detroit, a city that we all love. I would also like to echo Mackinaw's post above... the spirit of the thread ref: Staples wasn't to complain about them building here, but simply to ask them what sort of plans they had for the exterior of the building. I have to respectfully disagree in regards to that we can't complain about what a building looks like just because we need businesses. Too many businesses take advantage of the lax attitude in regards to building aesthetics. We all welcome new businesses here in Detroit and support our current ones. I do business with a NUMBER of local small business owners. For example, the local small grocery store across the street from me (Motown Market). But I also support other companies that are "big box" outlets that SUPPORT the City of Detroit (i.e. Home Depot). But I also don't ONLY shop Detroit. Due to the lack of commercial outlets in Detroit that offer reasonably and competitively priced items, I am, unfortunately, forced to shop outside the city.

The reason I sound a little irky about the "car wash" statement is because a good number of those car washes are actually front's for drug dealers and prostitution. I know this from my previous law enforcement training and experience. I've worked hard in this city on a number of different platforms. Besides working on a few political campaigns (Hendrix and also Gov. Granholm), I also volunteer for a number of non-profits in Detroit and surrounding areas.

I would never say that business isn't needed in Detroit. However, my comments at the beginning of this thread were in response to your ridiculously hostile and inflammatory post. Stop looking for ways to attack me and understand that I'm not attacking YOU, i'm expressing my concern in your completely hostile approach to the forum members of this website. We are all in this together and we're all here for a reason.

If we didn't care about this city, we wouldn't be forum members.

(Message edited by MCPD1300 on March 06, 2006)
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Broken_main
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Post Number: 871
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 69.222.11.226
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 3:39 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm...prostitution in car washes. That's definitely a new one to me.
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.248.16.12
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 3:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have no idea why i'm still up at this hour, let alone with the energy to type something on a board i have never been to before. but here goes.
I never intended to alienate anyone( other than you, not sure who you are talking about) but the holier than thou attitude is what is holding you back. real proud for you that you volunteer and that you are politically active. just so you know, working for the dems is working for the devil in a prettier dress. good job. and thanks for the heads up about drugs at a car wash, ever bought pot from the dishwasher at a bennigans in birmingham...its there also. there are more hookers on 8 mile and woodward in ferndale then there are down here.nothing personal, but drop the cross.
and no, the thread about the staples is not about making the city a better world with a pretty design on the front. it is about superficiality, this inane idealist attitude that the city will be a better place if we can make it just like the utopian world we've always envisioned it could be.

sounds stupid, huh.
anyone hear an echo?


the reality is that we live in a place full of crack dens, gambling rings, dog fighting arenas and i hear some canadiens chase around a little black disk at the joe. you want change? induce it on a daily basis by mingling with the masses, not condeming them from a secure platform.

oh and when you are at the market, can you get me some tomatoes? my arm is a itchin'

im done for tonite. peace, horse hair weaves and biscut grease.
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Mcpd1300
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Username: Mcpd1300

Post Number: 74
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 68.42.175.57
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 3:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mingling with the masses? Buddy, I can tell you're the one guy people run from at a party... You can't even stay on topic here... you're CLEARLY not interested in any sort of discussion... you're simply waiting for others to stop talking so you can spew your small, narrow views of city life. You want to further our reality, instead of improving upon it. Yeah, Detroit has it's problems, but "the reality that we live in a place full of crack dens, gambling rings..." isn't a reality we SHOULD live in... it's a reality that we can change and improve.
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Mcdirt
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Username: Mcdirt

Post Number: 28
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 65.29.98.237
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 11:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Doobie, I thought my post was fairly respectful. Sorry you felt the need to suggest I suck and rant about how I'm crapping on local business and such. Find me a single post where I've done that and I'll remove my membership from this board. Also, Also, the word is "clique." Not "click." Regardless, I'm not part of it. Check my post count. I made a rare post here in hopes that maybe you could bring out some of those constructive ideas you talked about, and folks here could see substance behind the prickly language. I'm sad to find it seems any good ideas you have have long ago been swallowed by spiteful message that carries them. I hope you find what you're seeking. I'll go back to lurking now.
McDirt
or, McYouSuck as you wish

(Message edited by mcdirt on March 06, 2006)
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Doobie225
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Username: Doobie225

Post Number: 12
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 70.236.176.152
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 11:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wasn't talking about you. sorry for the confusion. and i can spell it click if i wanna. no spite here.

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