Cellus Member Username: Cellus
Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.42.122.141
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 7:01 pm: | |
http://media.corporate-ir.net/ media_files/irol/10/101502/pre sentations/Wachovia.pdf it's on pages 42 Thru 44 |
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris
Post Number: 266 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.57.108.180
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 7:41 pm: | |
Oooh Daddy Likes |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3309 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 7:46 pm: | |
That's much different than the small concept I originally say. Can't say I like it much, but then again, most casino architecture is pretty bad. I guess it could have been worse. |
Border5150 Member Username: Border5150
Post Number: 128 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 68.58.211.149
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:20 pm: | |
Like they couldn't have done this at Michigan Central Depot (or whatever it was called) and make it awesome. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3311 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:34 pm: | |
Do you know how much it would have costed to renovate and reuse for a hotel/casino vs. the prictage on building anew? |
Fury13
Member Username: Fury13
Post Number: 985 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.204
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:10 pm: | |
Looks like any garden-variety airport hotel to me. |
Detroitkev Member Username: Detroitkev
Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.255.238.185
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:36 pm: | |
It's a new hotel going up in Downtown Detroit...I'm not going to complain about the design. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1506 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.214.242
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:57 pm: | |
Border5150, my first thought when I saw the hotel was, "Wow, it looks a lot like the Michigan Central Depot." If they're are spending that kind of money to build new, I think it would have been cheaper to use the MCD, contrary to Lmichigan's assessment. What a blown opportunity to save and reuse a historic structure. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3312 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 10:59 pm: | |
I don't see why not, if someone feels compelled to do so. MGM has had YEARS to come up with a good design. And it's something they were obligated to do. It's not like it was some new business that JUST set up shop here, this year. Fury, this doesn't look like an airport hotel, at all, though it may still be a little plain. It has character (if even only a little). That's something that few airport hotels, have. Royce, I'm not making a judgement either way. Seriously, I'm asking, would it have been easier (cheaper) to reuse the MCS? I see so many people making that claim, but not backing it up. I honestly don't know. (Message edited by lmichigan on March 10, 2006) |
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289
Post Number: 1047 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:22 am: | |
... This is your run of the mill hotel/ casino... I think i like windsor better already.. |
321brian Member Username: 321brian
Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:32 am: | |
Boring. Why couldn't they build something as innovative as the Macau hotel here? At least it's something. |
Adamjab19 Member Username: Adamjab19
Post Number: 637 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.61.242.140
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:33 am: | |
I'm going to complain about the Casino for a sec. I hope Detroit doesn't turn into some smaller, raunchy, obnoxious, Vegas type place attracting things that Detroit is trying to get rid of. |
Nellonfury Member Username: Nellonfury
Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 68.43.156.135
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 3:37 am: | |
MGM Grand Detroit Casino Rendering looks great!!! |
Easydoesit Member Username: Easydoesit
Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.246.122.172
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 5:18 am: | |
yeah the design is a little....regular.... seems like they tried to keep the "historical feel" within the design to correspond with the historical architecture of the city. but dude... a hotel in Detroit... i have nothing to give but thanks and praise! but being an MGM franchise... im surprised it wasn't a design that would be glitzy and shimmering when the sun hits it, with millions of gold fixtures. I was scrolling down looking at the other renderings for other cities and i was like "damn, damn, nice,"... but once i scrolled to Detroit's, I was like "....hmm...ordinary..but still nice" But hey like I said, its a hotel in Detroit so I'm DEFINATELY not complaining! |
Psip
Member Username: Psip
Post Number: 1058 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.246.13.131
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 6:38 am: | |
What’s with the '70 Ford Torino Fastback on the road (foreground)? Has this rendering been sitting around that long?
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Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 382 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 6:39 am: | |
At least it's not a giant lion snacking on its Asian patrons. ;) From http://www.answers.com/topic/m gm-grand-las-vegas :
quote:Originally, the main entrance on the Strip was inside the mouth of a giant cartoonish lion, but this entrance feature was quickly changed to a more traditional entrance as it was learned that some Asian gamblers were avoiding the casino due to the cultural view of entering the mouth of a lion as "bad luck" (stemming from the phrase "sending a sheep into a lion's [or tiger's] mouth", which implies that a person can be shaken down and there is nothing anyone can do about it) A large golden lion statue was added above the entrance to keep with the MGM Lion theme while not offending their more superstitious guests.
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Kurwo Member Username: Kurwo
Post Number: 837 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.100.112.29
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 6:48 am: | |
I like it, but I've recently become a gambling addict... I find it remniscent of the train station...I think it will look grand as a future ruin. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 897 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 10:53 am: | |
Ruin Shmuin, This bulding will last forever....hahahahahaha |
Bibs Member Username: Bibs
Post Number: 467 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 11:22 am: | |
Cellus - Thanks for digging this up. |
Cellus Member Username: Cellus
Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.42.122.141
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:22 pm: | |
you're welcome Bibs |
Mpow Member Username: Mpow
Post Number: 177 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 200.66.209.210
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 12:38 pm: | |
i like it |
Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj
Post Number: 48 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 67.149.62.53
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:02 pm: | |
Should have built the MGM Macau design in Detroit, well without the palm trees. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 914 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:04 pm: | |
It is probably a rendering of some casino that was planned for some other city...lol No buildings in the background, could have been used in a desert..like Las Vegas. Maybe it wa sthe original plan for the MGM Grand Las Vegas |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 2889 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.250.96.213
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:06 pm: | |
Haven't been this excited since CVS opened. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 915 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:09 pm: | |
And even though it doesn't have all of that Vegas razzle dazzle, I still welcome it to the D. The plans for this building says that there is room for another 400 room tower. So I hope the get the patronage needed to expand. |
Rbdetsport Member Username: Rbdetsport
Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 68.60.133.115
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:29 pm: | |
I believe that once this is said and done, developers will fill in the gap between MGM and Foxtown with some highrises. I even think MGM will invest in some highrise residential. |
Hardhat Member Username: Hardhat
Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.209.134.19
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 1:40 pm: | |
Broken is thinking what I'm thinking... a little perspective and orientation to its surroundings would be nice. But this rendering is better than nothing. I think the hotel will be OK. |
Karl Member Username: Karl
Post Number: 1538 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 2:05 pm: | |
Is vacuuming the money out of folks' pockets and hauling it out of Detroit & Michigan a good thing? I know it's dreaming and this is happening now, but seems like a fully operational Book Cadillac would provide more jobs and more $$ that would stay in the D. For details (MGM Detroit is listed near the bottom) on who owns the MGM monster and its history, click here: http://www.answers.com/topic/m gm-mirage-1 |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 2892 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.250.96.213
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 3:02 pm: | |
It's replacing parking lots, for God's sake. I'm not a fan of casinos (unless I win) but what else would have gone into that space? I'm guessing quite a bunch of bitching from this board if Home Depot had decided to build there. |
Gdub Member Username: Gdub
Post Number: 1006 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.221.78.226
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 3:24 pm: | |
Craptacular. |
Romanized Member Username: Romanized
Post Number: 201 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 71.4.97.70
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 4:18 pm: | |
The building looks fine. You so-called design connoisseurs really need to put up the money to show us how its done, or STFU. |
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister
Post Number: 499 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.148.228.76
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 5:11 pm: | |
I'm glad because the build is helping to satisfy my crane fetish. later - naturalsister |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 8232 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.53.96.43
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 5:17 pm: | |
Kind of reminds me of the MCS. |
Atl_runner
Member Username: Atl_runner
Post Number: 1843 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.98.116.13
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 6:03 pm: | |
I like it. It looks NOTHING like the MCS and I'm sure it will suit their needs better than the MCS. I particularily like the snow catcher at the top of the building. If you think about it, Detroit does not have any buildings with modern tops like that. Adding one will certainly be a good thing. |
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker
Post Number: 909 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.217
| Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 10:16 pm: | |
I thought that the design of the front part looked familiar,... ... although it only shows up under enlarging. |
Erikd Member Username: Erikd
Post Number: 549 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106
| Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 4:00 am: | |
Jams said:
quote:Haven't been this excited since CVS opened.
How dare you compare a new $765 millon casino/hotel complex with the downtown CVS? The CVS opening was much more exciting than this silly little MGM thing;-) |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 932 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 7:59 am: | |
Too funny... and by the way...looking at the above pic makes this song come to mind White castle has the taste some people can't live without |
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear
Post Number: 174 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.218.157.100
| Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 1:46 pm: | |
At least something is dragging Detroit's architecture into the mid-1990s! |
Trefoil Member Username: Trefoil
Post Number: 165 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.185.131.115
| Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 2:41 pm: | |
It's funny how they felt the need to add two sparkles to the upper left of the building. I think they had to so that you'd know it was a new building and not an old mental hospital. Seriously though, this building is very institutional looking. I'd like to see something daring added to Detroit's skyline. Perhaps something by Frank Gehry who designed the newWalt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles as well as the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, Spain. |
56packman Member Username: 56packman
Post Number: 91 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 69.47.25.143
| Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 4:59 pm: | |
Great, looks like more jobs for caucasian skilled trades who live 60 miles away in the country. I can see the shiny new F-250 clustered around the jobsite now. |
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister
Post Number: 506 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 64.148.228.76
| Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 5:39 pm: | |
I don't really have a problem with the design. I don't expect too much these days. My times of comparing everything to everything are over. It's not all relative, I think!? later - naturalsister |
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo
Post Number: 528 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 194.138.39.56
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 6:23 am: | |
I can't believe the real estate prices on their residential properties in LV! $900-$1100 per sq ft?!? holy crap! That's insane. The Detroit property is plain, yes, but I think it was done to integrate well with the surrounding area. Regardless, I think it's fine and will make a nice addition to my view out the front window... now that the pesky Donovan/Sanders bldgs are gone. Complain about the Casinos all you want, they have saved this city... bringing income over the last 8 years. |
Wirt Member Username: Wirt
Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 64.243.32.9
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 10:26 am: | |
It looks soo 1966, (I loved the comment about the Torino) ..could be Southfield, ..Wow!! very Detroit - I do see the train station resemblance too! |
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw
Post Number: 127 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 148.61.248.170
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 10:36 am: | |
the casino will take all of the money it makes out of the region, except for what it pays to the low-paying workers it employs, and what it pays to the city as taxes. It can make a destination and some business from the tourists. I think the design is better than all of the other citys designs, but it looks too 70's-ish. It's still ok though. It's alot better than that earlier design, which was alot more like the other hotels designs. I like how for the other hotel they overlayed the shapes of the buildings ontop of a photo of the city. It would be nice if they did that for this one too so we can see how it works. |
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_
Post Number: 1251 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.220.230.150
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 11:31 am: | |
As for the MCS: 1.) Not big enough 2.) Never pry it away from Manny 3.) enomorous cost above and beyond the 700 million they are using to build this. |
Erikd Member Username: Erikd
Post Number: 552 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.214.106
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 3:46 pm: | |
Jasoncw, Most casino workers are paid quite well. There are very few people making less than 12-13 bucks an hour, and most of the workers are closer to the 20-something per hour range. Not to mention the good benefit packages. Considering that most of these people do not have degrees, the casinos actually pay pretty damn good. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1863 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.84
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 3:48 pm: | |
I'm sure that DTE had some discussions with MGM before they sold them the 26 acres of land. They didn't want Disneyland next door (such as an Excalibur, Luxor, NY NY, Venetian, et al). DTE is planning on staying put in their downtown campus, and wanted something "subtle" next door. Ditto for the Gehry design style of "compacted tin cans" look of the Guggenheim Museum and the Disney Concert Hall (they look OK, but not next to the DTE complex). |
Sumotect Member Username: Sumotect
Post Number: 179 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.243.32.9
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 6:56 pm: | |
What you are looking at is really a Hotel. housing for transients. I like this design, for a mixed use development going up in Louisville. This is a throw-down building. http://www.museumplaza.net/vid eo_wmv.html It's about what you can do if your interested in improving peoples lives and not turning them into losers. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1530 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.215.16.140
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 7:08 pm: | |
The graphics in the video are great. The building is out there. It's nice to see the late 19th and early 20th century buidings being used and maintained. |
Jimelnino Member Username: Jimelnino
Post Number: 357 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.192.134.204
| Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 7:16 pm: | |
I think its a start, but I also think that I'll reserve judgement until I see it in person, as should you haters. Looks are fine and all, but what I really need to know is how many blackjack tables. -Jim |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 567 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 3:14 pm: | |
Looks like the jury's still out on the final design for this behemoth. From today's Detroit News: "Looks good, but There was some excitement stirring around the new $750 million MGM Grand Detroit Casino under construction near Third and Michigan in Detroit. The MGM has never released a rendering of what the new facility will look like, but in a report to gaming industry analysts about the corporation, a color rendering of a spectacular casino/hotel complex in Detroit was included. Turns out the rendering wasn't the real thing. Detroit MGM public relations rep Bob Berg said that rendering was four years old and the new casino won't look anything like that. Asked why they included an obsolete rendering in the presentations, he : "I guess that's all they had." A new design should be ready for release in April." http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060319/B IZ/603190381/1148 |
Herbpowell Member Username: Herbpowell
Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.73.200.101
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 3:38 pm: | |
Whether or not that's what the hotel will look like the site is all wrong. The hotel will be almost right up to the street. If you drive by there now you can see where they are putting the footings on the corner. |
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister
Post Number: 529 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.169.65
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 4:16 pm: | |
Matt_ Wrong link. Is it in the business section? I can try to fish it out me-self. Aaaargghhhh!!! later - naturalsister |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 569 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 4:22 pm: | |
Naturalsister - It's the right link, just scroll down a bit. I posted it in it's entirety though, so no need for the link outside of copywrite purposes. |
Quinn Member Username: Quinn
Post Number: 679 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 5:41 pm: | |
Oh MGM grand Macau....I LIKE that one. Damnit. |
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear
Post Number: 181 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 68.250.41.21
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 7:56 pm: | |
Bob Berg. Does that name ring a bell with anyone? Hint: press secretary to someone famous. Very famous. Hint: look(ed) like Peck from Ghostbusters. |
The_glide Member Username: The_glide
Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 67.149.20.219
| Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 8:15 pm: | |
The Michigan Gaming Board website offered this outrageous rendering a while ago. Having seen this picture years ago, the newer rendering looks dull. But given my drethers, I'd rather take dull over flamboyant for Detroit.
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Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1902 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.139
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 2:43 am: | |
Bob Berg was CAY's press secretary, and also worked as a consultant to KK. Remember, he's the one that "accidentally" outed a whisleblower in the Police Department last year (or was that 2004?). Getting back on thread.... say wasn't the MGM permanent casino only going to cost $550 Million? Now we're hearing $750 Million? No wonder their plans are still hush-hush. My take is that they are going to "knock the socks off" the other 2 casino complexes. |
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 982 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:35 am: | |
I believe it is going to be very glitzy. Even my friends at the Planning Commission are being hush- hush about this one. I believe that the MGM will definitely be Grand. They seem to always be on the glitzier side when it comes to their projects. |
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve
Post Number: 2803 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.209.164.236
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 7:32 am: | |
Dull, schmull, Detroit is full of buildings that weren't dull when they were built, and I don't want dull built today. |
Catman_dude Member Username: Catman_dude
Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 198.252.245.194
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:19 am: | |
Can anyone post a map showing the location of the MGM Grand relative to the downtown? |
Huggybear Member Username: Huggybear
Post Number: 182 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 192.217.12.254
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:55 am: | |
quote:The Michigan Gaming Board website offered this outrageous rendering a while ago. Having seen this picture years ago, the newer rendering looks dull. But given my drethers, I'd rather take dull over flamboyant for Detroit.
Are Sigfreid and Roy coming? |
Keystone Member Username: Keystone
Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.241.158.33
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 1:37 pm: | |
The City Planning Commission is in the position to review and recommend to Council all plans, elevations, materials etc. It's part of the zoning approval process with any Planned Development - type zoning (which apply to the Casinos). If the developer deviates significantly with what has been approved, that triggers a new review process and potential 'stop work' order to the project. So... check with the Planning Commission if you want to see what the building is 'supposed' to look like. It is public information. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1903 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.90.43
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 4:03 pm: | |
The_glide and Catman_dude, welcome to the Forum!!! As to where MGM permanent casino is going to go is behind the DTE Energy center, bounded by the Lodge and Fisher Fwy. on the west and north, by Bagley on the south (where it is an entrance/exit ramp to the Lodge), and roughly the DTE complex on the east. As to any new renderings for the "current" MGM design, if it is public knowledge, one of the dailies would have posted a picture of it, and some on this Forum would have posted it. So far, we haven't seen it in the dailies, and no one has posted it here. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3362 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 8:23 pm: | |
I wish Detroit was like most other cities listing projects, specs, and records on their city planning website. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1906 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.62
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 8:52 pm: | |
When I was driving down the Lodge last Friday it was a wonderful sight seeing all those cranes on the downtown skyline, even if they were all for the MGM site. Something tells me that we are going to end up with an MGM Casino that will dwarf the other 2 in anemities, size, and beauty. (Although the gaming space has exact size limitations) It would be in all of our best interest for there to be a "casino" war of one-upsmanship in the final casino projects. Afterall we were promised way more than a "bingo hall" in the initial proposals.... then they tamed down quite a bit (in scope and scale). Now maybe MGM is upping the proverial "ante". It will be interesting to see what (if anything) that Marion Ilitch and the Sault Tribe of Chippewa Indians will do if MGM does have the best casino. After all MGM and MotorCity have been fighting for being the #1 Casino in town. (Message edited by Gistok on March 20, 2006) |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3363 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:09 pm: | |
Man, do I hope you're right, Gistok. Hopefully, but unlikely, maybe they are adding more floors to the hotel tower, or are building two towers. |
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026
Post Number: 623 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 6:55 pm: | |
well if they are out to outdo the other casinos, it may be hard to do it in height. it looks like Greektowns building will end up being 33 stories (the 13 parking +20 hotel on top)....Wonder if MGM has ever changed the plan of how tall the tower will beq |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1492 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 7:24 pm: | |
MCM2026, you are young. Someday someone very sweet will tell you size doesn't matter. |
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026
Post Number: 627 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 7:25 pm: | |
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Ganib_ganabs Member Username: Ganib_ganabs
Post Number: 51 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.123.242
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:10 pm: | |
Their used to be a rumor that a company was going to build a 40+ story Hotel next to Motor City Casino once it was comlpleted. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3378 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:35 pm: | |
Motorcitymayor, where did you hear that Greektown was going to be 33 stories? Their most recent proposal was rejected, but it was 18 floors topped with separate hotel, casino, and parking garage structures. Where'd you hear about a 13-story garage with 20 floors stacked on top? It is extremly rare to find 13-story parking garages, and after about 12 floors they are usually impractical. |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 584 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:43 pm: | |
Lmich - Crains. Check other thread. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3383 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:47 pm: | |
Thanks. Just saw the thread. It looks like MGM is going to have to go big, now, with their hotel if they really want to show they are the real big dog in the Detroit-area. I have no doubt that this will have some bearing of what MGM decides to do, now. Looks like we got an honest-to-goodness competition going...hopefully. 40-story MGM hotel, anyone? |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 962 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 8:56 pm: | |
Hasn't MGM already started? I think it is rediculous to assume they would change plans after the thing is started. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3386 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:00 pm: | |
They still haven't released a rendering, I don't believe, and they've mostly been working on the casino and parking garage. They could very easily change the tower, I would assume. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1493 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.187.234
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:02 pm: | |
As long as by "very easily" you mean "start over from scratch and incur tens of thousands of dollars in architectural, engineering and design expenses, on top of the money already spent on the plan you are throwing away," then yes, they could very easily change the tower. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 963 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:04 pm: | |
Yeah that is basically what I was saying Dialh. thanks for stating it a lot better than I ever could |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3390 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:06 pm: | |
Dial, have they already layed the full foundation for the tower, yet? |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 588 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:07 pm: | |
Maybe the tower's footings are being poured to also support a future expansion (taller) and the future just might be now... |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1494 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.187.234
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:07 pm: | |
Hey, can't help you out there bud. Having not seen the plans or renderings or anything, I can only say with confidence that they are mixing a lot of concrete over there in Corktown, and the parking deck seems to be right on schedule. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3391 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:25 pm: | |
That was my only point, that if the foundation has not yet been layed for the tower, that plans could change. I also say this because I've been in contact sporadically with Hamilton-Anderson (the architects), and they've been very tight lipped. I even tried to beg a rendering out of them to no avail. Silence only fuels rumors, and I can't help myself. It just seems that there is no other reason to be so incredibly secretive unless you're trying to keep up with the Jones'. |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 375 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.210.161
| Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 9:46 pm: | |
MGM has no reason to build taller they have 25 acres of land sprawl over. They've been working on the site for close to 6 months I think it's highly unlikely they'll just stop work so they can out do Greektown. Height won't mean a damn thing anyway if MGM has a better design (Message edited by eric on March 22, 2006) |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1031 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.248.42.84
| Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 12:36 am: | |
Hey, why not take a look at the current construction. A couple of (mediocre) pics here...
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Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1914 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.155
| Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 1:16 am: | |
Hotel expansion would not go up from a (soon to be) existing hotel tower. The expansion would mean that the existing hotel would have to close during construction. I don't see them raising new steel beams above an existing occupied hotel tower. Expansion would probably involve a 2nd tower. |
Keystone Member Username: Keystone
Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.241.158.33
| Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 11:09 am: | |
Taller means nothing at this point. If there are egos involved, it's about their ROI, not height. To change their plans wouldn't take tens of thousands.. it would take tens of millions. If you want to know what it looks like, take a trip to the CAY, 2nd floor. |
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_
Post Number: 1280 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.220.230.150
| Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 11:14 am: | |
MGM does not have to prove anything in this market. |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1032 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.1.1.101
| Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 1:05 pm: | |
Taller might mean a little if MGM was right next to Greektown casino. But it's nowhere near it, on the opposite side of the CBD, with a bunch of other tall buildings in between. So yeah, I doubt that MGM would change their plans based on Greektown going taller. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1916 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.6
| Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 4:11 pm: | |
Well MGM went from building a $550 million new casino to building a $750 million one.... wonder what has changed.... |
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin
Post Number: 2572 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 2:29 pm: | |
So my question is since i beleive that MGM Grand ( I think) tore down the parking structure at first and bagley what is going there to replace it? |
Downtown_dave Member Username: Downtown_dave
Post Number: 56 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 63.77.247.130
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 2:59 pm: | |
DTE Energy purchased the First and Bagley garage from the city and will incorporate the site into planned campus improvements -- landscaping and parking. MGM had nothing to do with the garage, though its purchase of DTE Energy property for the new casino is funding DTE's improvements. |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 806 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.212.249
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 7:14 pm: | |
interesting that dte energy has bought that parcel of land. that parking garage was beginning to show the signs of structural failure, which i believe is why it sat empty for a while before demolition began on it. i should also note here that the new city code requires retail at ground level of all new parking structures within the cbd. not exactly sure if this falls within the boundaries tho... |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 971 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 7:26 pm: | |
Yeah pipes hanging from the ceiling in that garage fucked up my car a few years back. There were no lights on and I didn't see it until it smacked my windshield and gouged the paint all along the side of my car. Pissed me off and when I complained about it they stated that they were not responsible for damage to my vehicle. I pissed and moaned at them for a while but left with no satisfaction. I left it alone because it would have cost me more to fight them than to just let it go. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3426 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 7:59 pm: | |
RSA, that's quite progressive of the city. Doesn't the city include everything within the freeway loop the CBD? |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 606 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 8:06 pm: | |
"i should also note here that the new city code requires retail at ground level of all new parking structures within the cbd. not exactly sure if this falls within the boundaries tho..." - Too bad this ordinance didn't exist when Greektown built that monstrosity on Beaubien. Just about ruined that streetscape IMO. I don't even like to drive down that street anymore cause of the feeling I get in my stomach when I see it. I'm just a sensitive guy I guess... I mean what the Fuc^&$^&$% -who in there right mind approved the design for that? Right in between two blocks of old storefronts. Sorry I'm off subject. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1545 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.240.236
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 9:51 pm: | |
Height of the hotels should not be an issue considering that all of the casinos are going to have hotels with 400 rooms. Also, what difference will the height of the hotels have on one's decision to go to a casino? As long as one's view from a hotel room is not that of a garbage dump, who's going to worry about the view? If one is there to gamble, one is not going to worry about what view they get with a hotel room. BTW, Matt, I agree with you concerning the Greektown Valet parking deck. It's hideous. Retail on the ground level would have made it so much better. It's nice to know the city has finally come to it's senses and requires retail on the ground floor of new parking decks in the CBD. Years before this forum, there used to be a development forum in the Detroit News where the idea of retail being a requirement for new parking decks was discussed often. |
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker
Post Number: 971 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.4
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 9:52 pm: | |
quote:Well MGM went from building a $550 million new casino to building a $750 million one.... wonder what has changed....
Bobby Ferguson got the contract? |
El_rey_de_la_ciudad Member Username: El_rey_de_la_ciudad
Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.204
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:19 pm: | |
Does anyone think these three new casino towers will add anything to the skyline view from windsor. To me,it seems a bit dull right now. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 558 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:29 pm: | |
quote:... what difference will the height of the hotels have on one's decision to go to a casino?
Impulse buying from visible signage atop. Unfortunately, that would attract only locals. |
Bibs Member Username: Bibs
Post Number: 475 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204
| Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:44 pm: | |
Regardless of the height of the buildings, I think they will have the illusion of being much taller when viewed from the adjacent freeways which are below ground level. I bet a large MGM Grand Logo will face the freeway! |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1548 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.240.236
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 3:54 am: | |
Jimz, I agree. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 978 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 9:50 am: | |
quote:- Too bad this ordinance didn't exist when Greektown built that monstrosity on Beaubien. Just about ruined that streetscape IMO. I don't even like to drive down that street anymore cause of the feeling I get in my stomach when I see it. I'm just a sensitive guy I guess... I mean what the Fuc^&$^&$% -who in there right mind approved the design for that? Right in between two blocks of old storefronts.
Yeah because the old flat lot really added to the experience. I believe this has been discussed before and I seem to remember the discussion being that ground floor retail would not have fit into the configuration. |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 607 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 2:26 pm: | |
I can't believe you are going to defend the parking structure on Beaubien. You think there were no other options for the casino, that they just had to have it? Gimme a break. Better than an empty lot? I hope you aren't an urban planning student... The parking structure really adds to the experience!!!!!!! It is hideus and absolutely takes away from the streetscape and does not add to it. BTW - They could have added ground floor retail - look at the Merchants row garage, much smaller lot. I say they just didn't want to pay for it. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 983 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 2:31 pm: | |
SO because I disagree with you you disregard my opinion. Whatever. |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 608 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 2:40 pm: | |
Not disregarding your opinion - just wondering what it actually is. You didn't really spell it out. I'm having a hard time seeing where you're coming from. Your reply was rather flippent too. Just wondering how anybody could actually think that that deck right there is good in any possible way. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 984 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:35 pm: | |
Well... how is it bad actually. I never said I supported it I never rally said anything. You just took my comment to mean that I supported it. If you re-read what I said
quote:Yeah because the old flat lot really added to the experience. I believe this has been discussed before and I seem to remember the discussion being that ground floor retail would not have fit into the configuration.
you will see that I was just trying to see what you thought the flat lot added to the area that made it so much better for you to drive by. I mean is the garage really that offending to you that you will no longer frequent the area? |
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve
Post Number: 2834 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.209.177.70
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:46 pm: | |
That garage looks like an unfinished clay sculpture my 8 year old is working on. I look at it as proof of what the casino people actually think about the neighborhood. They don't give a rat's patootie about anything except old people with oxygen tanks putting nickels into the slots. They'll look for the cheapest way to do something and won't even try to hide their cheapskate ways. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 987 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 11:02 pm: | |
It doesn't look that bad. at least it isn't a flat lot anymore. |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 611 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:31 am: | |
I think it looks that bad, I would rather have it a flat lot once again. At least this way there could be the potential to have something that adds even a dash of pedestrian friendly street character. Right now it is just a big red blob that has no setback which accentuates its clumsiness even more. I'm petrified to drive down beaubien... |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 991 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:33 am: | |
Aren't you being a little overdramatic? Petrified? Really? |
Matt_the_deuce Member Username: Matt_the_deuce
Post Number: 612 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.248.252
| Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:43 am: | |
Should have put a smiley face after it. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 1001 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:45 am: | |
I figured, but you know I had to jump on it. |
Toog05 Member Username: Toog05
Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 148.61.228.4
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 2:59 pm: | |
Looks like we have a new rendering for the MGM Grand Casino in Detroit. This was released on March 21 on Mirage's website. http://media.corporate-ir.net/ media_files/irol/10/101502/Wyn n3_21.pdf Page 28 (Message edited by toog05 on April 03, 2006) |
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn
Post Number: 212 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.73.201.127
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 3:11 pm: | |
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Saabdriver1986 Member Username: Saabdriver1986
Post Number: 366 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 141.217.41.201
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 3:21 pm: | |
Yikes! |
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark
Post Number: 177 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 141.217.12.135
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 3:33 pm: | |
The Mirage site doesn't say how tall it is. Any one know? What will be done with the old casino. Site would be great for retail such as meijers or target. plenty of parking and easy to get to from the freeways. |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1053 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 136.2.1.103
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 3:41 pm: | |
Hey, at least this rendering has cars from this century driving around it. Also, the Penobscot in the background is a nice touch. |
Andyguard73 Member Username: Andyguard73
Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 141.209.29.224
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:00 pm: | |
So far its my favorite of the three on this thread. |
Bsu Member Username: Bsu
Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.7.255.230
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:02 pm: | |
Very Art Deco. I like it a lot. This design is better than the last one. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1534 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.250.205.35
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:16 pm: | |
OK, yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree. That is butt-ugly, IMO. An abomination, actually. |
Sknutson
Member Username: Sknutson
Post Number: 494 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 67.114.23.202
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:23 pm: | |
I kinda like it. |
Amy_p
Member Username: Amy_p
Post Number: 649 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.21
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:29 pm: | |
Looks kind of like the RenCen in a cage. |
1953 Member Username: 1953
Post Number: 750 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:51 pm: | |
I hope its not as far away from the Penobscot as it appears it will be, based on that image. |
Easydoesit Member Username: Easydoesit
Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 69.246.122.172
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:52 pm: | |
i like it alot. it actually looks "up-to-date" and modern. not saying i didnt agree with the previous rendering of the detroit-style architecture MGM Grand, but i like this one ALOT better. seems more appealing to the public...or the rich crowd, if you will. i wonder if this one will glisten when the sun hits it like the MGM in las vegas.... |
Apbest Member Username: Apbest
Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.40.65.66
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 4:58 pm: | |
Corktownmark....I believe 33 stories is what Ive heard. Thats because it was ontop of the parking garage. idk if 33 stories includes the garage or not |
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn
Post Number: 213 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.73.201.127
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 5:05 pm: | |
Apbest, the Greektown casino is being built on top of a parking garage at that height. This rendering looks like the MGM will be around 15-18 stories tall. |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 684 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 7:41 pm: | |
The hotel should come in around 33 stories. Still working for a rooftop bar.....could be really cool. The Garage will be "built into" the garage, pretty sweet, I think. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3471 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 7:57 pm: | |
Corktown is asking about the MGM, I think. The MGM Hotel Tower will be 216' to the very top of the structure (185' to the main roof), and 18 floors (which includes the 3-floor casino, of course). Gambling Man, I was hoping that they would creatively blend the parking with the hotel. It has been done, and quite a few times. It's cool to hear about the rooftop bar. Will the design be more glass or more stone, or an equal combination of the two, just wondering? I'm really anticipating their release. (Message edited by lmichigan on April 03, 2006) |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 1052 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 9:29 pm: | |
quote:The Garage will be "built into" the garage, pretty sweet, I think.
Huh? |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3474 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 9:52 pm: | |
He means that the design will have it so that the hotel and garage will blend seemlessly into one another, of course, taking into account that the hotel is stacked atop the giant garage. He just mispoke, obviously. |
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark
Post Number: 180 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 141.217.12.135
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 4:21 pm: | |
Thanks LMichigan 216'. A pretty good addition to the sky line from the area around Woodbridge or Tiger stadium. |
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers
Post Number: 1528 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 4:29 pm: | |
Slightly related: http://seattletimes.nwsource.c om/html/localnews/2002908803_b uildingheights04m.html |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 685 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 5:43 pm: | |
Sorry for the misconception, I meant "built into the HOTEL" It doesn't sit on top, but rather starts at ground level with check-in, restaraunt, lounge and convention space on the lowest levels. The garage then becomes one with the next few levels of the Hotel, and the guest rooms the rest of the way up. As pictured now, about 75% glass, 25% some type of limestone. The garage will be brick and limestone, designed with a single center helix entry/exit ramp. |
Andyguard73 Member Username: Andyguard73
Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 141.209.34.230
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 5:51 pm: | |
Gambling_man, do you have a rendering for it? |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3479 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 6:14 pm: | |
Gambling, It is built into the hotel, but the hotel still sits atop part of the garage for the most part. Question, though, what corner of the site will the hotel sit at? Will the garage run the full length of the block like the current almost does? I'm really trying to picture, at least, the layout. It's great to hear they are using limestone instead of pre-cast concrete panels made to look like limestone (*pointing at MGM Grand*) |
Detroitkev Member Username: Detroitkev
Post Number: 65 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 70.88.123.166
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 6:37 pm: | |
Will the Greektown complex be able to expand by putting another hotel on top of the structure? I'm assuming the one hotel tower will only be half of the structure...meaning more room for another structure later. |
Archy Member Username: Archy
Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.79.102.79
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 11:25 pm: | |
Why is the city in the background? based on the shape of the building and whats out there now, as well as the parking garage to the right, there is no way that skyscrapers would be in the background. Must be some more smoke and mirrors requested by the vegas peeps. Maybe there will be a large model city built in one corner of the site, like the mini paris in vegas? You know where the 'real' "city shines" |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3484 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 11:30 pm: | |
It's a rendering, Archy. They can put the skyline as close as, or far back as, they want to. It really shouldn't be an issue knowing full well its relation to the rest of downtown in reality. |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 686 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 2:45 pm: | |
The Hotel (for Greektown) will be on the St. Antoine/Monroe corner. Expand? There is no impetus for us to expand any further. If business ever gets so good we would have to expand, we would probably build a whole new casino. (Think 20 years from now) |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1953 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.33
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:26 pm: | |
Building a whole new casino would be fine in 20 years.... if there's any land left near Greektown to build on. The only site anywhere nearby is that 8.75 acre parcel at Gratiot and St. Antoine that Greektown Casino passed on (but not before destroying a very attractive brick building on that site). Does Greektown Casino own that parcel, or was it just an option to buy? Because in 20 years, Greektown Casino may not find any CBD area left for a new Casino site! |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 687 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:46 pm: | |
The casino owns the parcel. "very attractive brick building", that hadn't been occupied in 20 years, was infested with Mercury, asbestos, and lead, served as a makeshift homeless shelter and crackhouse.....yep, a very attractive building allright. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1955 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.33
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 3:56 pm: | |
Gambling_man.... maybe you forgot that both Orchestra Hall and Detroit Opera Houses were both "stinking rat holes" before they were converted to the world class jewels that they are today. Also, since Greektown bought that site, and razed the building, it looks like Greektown Casino will be footing the bill for any remaining toxic cleanup on that site in the future, whether they own it or not. (Message edited by Gistok on April 05, 2006) |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1956 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.33
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 4:12 pm: | |
Also, I hope Greektown Casino, in making the temporary casino their permanent one, do something about that tacky "Lee Press-On" fake brick facade. I guess the expansion over Lafayette will probably eliminate most of it. |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 688 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 199.178.193.5
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 5:41 pm: | |
Hmmmm..Gistok, it's called BEA. I digress, however, the site is already cleaned. To say that the "fake" brick facade is tacky, I have no idea what you are talking about. The casino facade actually has both "real" brick, and panel brick. I can guarantee you can't tell the difference. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1957 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.33
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 6:05 pm: | |
It looked tacky when I was watching them put it back during construction (several other forumers mentioned the same back during construction). It's probably a moot point anyway, since the entire Lafayette facade will be reconstructed. I just hope the large Gratiot & St. Antoine site isn't going to remain undeveloped or a parking lot for the next 20 years. BTW, I am in favor of their 33 story Hotel/Parking site across from St. Mary's. But configuring traffic to that site is going to interesting. (Message edited by Gistok on April 05, 2006) |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3489 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 8:24 pm: | |
Awfully critical, and negatively so, aren't we Gistok? Not that I haven't been, but let's let Greektown worry about 20+ years into the future, and let us the market dictate what fills in around the casino. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1961 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.33
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 8:37 pm: | |
Lmich, are you criticizing me about casino developments? I know that you have an affinity for empty blocks, since you repeatedly lamented the loss of all those empty blocks that will be lost forever with MGM? I just don't want to see an 8.75 acre site turn into another empty block wasteland for 20 years. What's so critical about that? |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3492 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 8:41 pm: | |
I sure am, because you're much more nasty about it than me. I just saw your post in the MotorCity thread, and you seem to be full of negative criticism, today. If it's surprising me, of all people, something must be over the top. |
Royce Member Username: Royce
Post Number: 1572 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.209.162.53
| Posted on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 - 11:17 pm: | |
The new rendering shows downtown skyscrapers to the left of the hotel. That's wrong. The view of the hotel is from the east looking northwest. The parking deck is north of the hotel and is visible in the rendering. I guess they threw them in that way to identify the hotel as being in Detroit. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1962 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.186.95
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 12:44 am: | |
Yeah, sorry Lmich, I did have a crappy day today.... Ya know I always thought that the 2nd Baptist Church at the northwest corner of Monroe and Beaubien would have made a better Casino hotel site. Too bad they couldn't move the church to a nearby block (like the Gem Theatre move), and had that block as the hotel tower near the People Mover. That way you could have 2 blocks of entertainment, instead of 3 blocks with entertainment only on 1 side each of the eastmost and westmost blocks (although there is that Irish Pub at the western end). |
623kraw
Member Username: 623kraw
Post Number: 885 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.224.200
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 5:37 am: | |
quote:It looks NOTHING like the MCS and I'm sure it will suit their needs better than the MCS.
Go smoke another blunt...
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Keystone Member Username: Keystone
Post Number: 216 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.241.158.33
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 11:21 am: | |
Speaking of panel brick, maybe the 2nd Baptist is converting to a casino.. after all, they just reskinned the building with the stuff. Over EFIS too. What's next? vinyl siding? |
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers
Post Number: 1534 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.68
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 1:43 pm: | |
quote:Over EFIS too.
I'm sure they removed the EIFS first. |
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander
Post Number: 1716 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 1:44 pm: | |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060406/U PDATE/604060431 First look: New MGM casino will feature art-deco style |
Matt Member Username: Matt
Post Number: 1031 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.49.95.12
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 2:34 pm: | |
What do you want to bet the Detroit News found the new rendering from this website? |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 403 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.11.210.161
| Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 4:01 pm: | |
No doubt the fishwraps have used this as source before. It's not a coincendence that after each was posted a few days later there was an article. |
Bibs Member Username: Bibs
Post Number: 482 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204
| Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 11:37 pm: | |
The casinos will have 400 hotel rooms each for total of 1200. The Book Cadillac hotel will have 455 hotel rooms for a total of 1655. This total doesn't take into account the hotel rooms at both Marriott Hotels, Ponchitrain etc. I hope that enough coventions can be lured to the city to fill all these hotel rooms on a regular basis. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3500 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Friday, April 07, 2006 - 11:44 pm: | |
It's a chicken and egg thing, Bibs. I've heard good arguments from both sides. |
321brian Member Username: 321brian
Post Number: 112 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.147
| Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 10:14 am: | |
The new rendering is much better than the first one we saw on this post. |
Detroit48213 Member Username: Detroit48213
Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 68.79.166.5
| Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 3:37 pm: | |
Greekblock Casino (Gratiot rendering) http://www.emporis.com/en/il/i m/?id=449055 |
Mcpd1300 Member Username: Mcpd1300
Post Number: 91 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.42.175.57
| Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 8:09 pm: | |
Detroit48213 those are old renderings of the GreekTOWN Casino. (Not sure where the Greekblock Casino is going...) |
The_rock Member Username: The_rock
Post Number: 1102 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.251.225
| Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 8:45 pm: | |
Had I thought some 60 years ago that it was going to be GAMBLING that was going to be the savior of Detroit, I would have shook my head in dismay. 60 years later, I still shake my head in dismay.But I guess it is a reality. It takes gambling to keep this poor city afloat. How sad. Gambling is hardly doing it now. But what happens IF gambling fails? 3 new casinos on the drawing boards. But if these proposed palaces are erected AND "they don't come",then what? |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3507 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 8:36 pm: | |
Huh? These casinos already have a base, and one that one disappear. In fact, the base is only going to grow. You act as if the casinos are not popular, already. I think you're letting your personal feelings and ideas about casino gambling cloud your judgement. I'm not a big casino fan, myself, but let's get real. The casinos are hear to stay. |