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Ltorivia485
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Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 1:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is the ACLU's phone number? This is clearly discrimination against tall people and folks who are overweight or have arthritis.

Will you pay for legroom?
For $15, Northwest passengers can get once-free aisle, exit seats
If you're willing to stretch your wallet, Northwest Airlines will let you stretch your legs. Today, the carrier will start asking passengers whether they'd pay $15 to secure one of a handful of seats -- in an exit row or on an aisle -- on most of its domestic flights.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=2006603140365

(Message edited by ltorivia485 on March 14, 2006)
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Belleislerunner
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Please refer us to where discrimination based on someone's height is a protected class.
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Blessyouboys
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For tall people and those with arthritis sure, but sorry, if you're fat you're fat.
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Ltorivia485
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Belle, why should someone who is 6'4" have to pay extra more for a seat when they have no control over their height?
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Jt1
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Unless it is due to a health condition that could not be prevented. I suspect that is in a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of the fat population
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Belleislerunner
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Because we make more. Equitable distribution of wealth =)

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/0 8/news/funny/beautiful_money/
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Steelworker
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im 6'4" and I can sit on airplane its not a great feelng but its do able. Airbus 330 is comfortable so youdont realize your legs are going numb he he he.
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Ltorivia485
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But Steelworker, you will have to pay extra for that "exit/aisle' seat.
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Track75
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So don't fly NW if you don't like their pricing policy.
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Ltorivia485
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I can't wait to see how this will affect stand-by flights....
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Susanarosa
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Yeah, let's all call the ACLU and sue this already bankrupt company that employs a ton of Michigan and probably Detroit residents for giving folks an OPTION to pay $15 more for more leg room.

Next we can sue them for class descrimination for pricing that keeps poor people from riding first-class.
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Ltorivia485
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Susan, tall people don't have any other options. If they can't fit, they have no choice but to sit in aisle and exit row seats.
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Susanarosa
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And I'm sure they'll happily tell NWA (who decided that using that acronym was a good idea anyway?) that they'd pay the extra $15 to be comfortable.
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Wolverine
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Why did I even bother to open this ridiculous thread, or even type this response. At least we aren't writing letters to Staples.

(Message edited by wolverine on March 14, 2006)
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Ndavies
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There's always the bus or a train. Fat people have already tried to sue the airlines for charging them for being overweight. The courts came back and said since there are other modes of transit a fat person can use, the airlines are allowed to charge more for fat people. (And obviously now tall people too.)
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Dabirch
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Ltorvia --

I am 6-2. I weigh in at over 220. I fly 60,000+ miles a year.

Occassionally, I get stuck in a middle seat.

Its uncomfortable. People can deal with it.

Who cares.

There really are some better issues to fight about out there. Like dense urban villages and roadside parking lots or something.
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Ltorivia485
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'A la carte pricing' in air-travel future?


By HARRY SHATTUCK
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Imagine that you've made a flight reservation and confirmed the fare, but when you ask to reserve a seat in advance, you're told it will cost an extra $5.

Unless, of course, you prefer an aisle seat. That's $10 more.

While no carriers are charging such fees today, a leading airline analyst predicts that "a la carte pricing" will become a major trend during the coming year.

"The biggest news I see for 2006 will be extra charges for things like assigned seats, aisle seats, emergency-row seats, checked luggage, carry-on bags, snacks and soft drinks," says Minneapolis-based Terry Trippler, a 30-year industry veteran and consumer advocate who now surveys airline developments and trends for Cheapseats.com.

http://www.chron.com/disp/stor y.mpl/front/3565878.html
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Jt1
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I'll save the headache:

Ilovedetroit - As a tall person I don't like this.

Metro - Sure thing you're tall ILD. I bet you are 2'8" and don't live in the city.
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Livernoisyard
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Maybe Procrustes should make an overdue trip to Evanston...
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Sailor_rick
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Fuh! I'm close to 6'6" (my nickname was "Two Meters" in Asia) and was outraged!

C'mon man. They never charged before. "Class Action" I dunno.

I'll gladly testify about the hell of a 14 hour overseas flight jammed in a center seat.

I hope the C*(&%%er who devised this, spends eternity in a holding pattern over Muncie.

I'm still waitng for my "tall bonus".
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Aiw
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Well genreally there is much more room on long haul flights than there is in the flying busses.

You've never been cramped until you've flown Easyjet on a 737 3 abreast from Geneva to London. :-)

When I flew to Europe last year, I had to pay $60 extra to select our seasts. Worth every penny. $15 is not too much to pay IMO. If you'd rather not spend the extra money, well then you'll have to live with it for the hour or two your in the air.
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Focusonthed
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With the way people are crammed in trains and trucks in 3rd world countries, I think some of you vaginas can deal with leg cramps for 1.5 hours. OR pay $15. Big deal.

Oh, and I too am over 6', and it's mostly legs. I might pay more on a long flight, I might not. I'm uncomfortable on planes, but its not a horrible experience that I'll have nightmares about later, like some of you seem to equate it to.

(Message edited by focusonthed on March 14, 2006)
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Livernoisyard
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What's $15 to someone attending a 6-figure-tuition university? Could it be that somebody like that is perpetually whining and complaining on behalf of us "little" people?
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Aiw
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Personally I prefer the window seat when flying.
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_sj_
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Airplanes are sardine cans, if you don't want to pay extra for comfort then deal with it.

However Southwest while winning a few cases will eventually lose. That is just the way it is.
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Ray1936
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Another improvement to modern living brought to you by some MBA.
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Northend
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MBAs also would tell you that if a fat ass does not like the small seating offered by Northwest Airlines, he/she has the option to scale down to 5 double cheeseburgers a day or switch to a different carrier. But I'm sure HS dropouts or even autoworkers could have told us that.:-)
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Ray1936
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Of course they would tell us that. MBA's know everything, don'tcha know? :-)
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Livernoisyard
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Midwest Express, HQed in my hometown Milwaukee, has the biggest seats in the business, and there are only two seats instead of units of three. Also lobster is on many of their menus - or at least it used to.

Hey! It ain't that far from Evanston to the "Sout Site" - as the South Poles say it over there near the Billy Mitchell International Airport.
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Northend
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Ray, almost everything
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_sj_
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quote:

MBAs also would tell you that if a fat ass does not like the small seating offered by Northwest Airlines, he/she has the option to scale down to 5 double cheeseburgers




The amount of hatred at times on the board just amazes me.

I also guess all gay people should have to buy all the seats becuase they could infect everybody and a person of color should have to buy a whole block to seats becuase they smell. It will never end, it just moves to another group.

Amazing.
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Actually NW is not the first to differentiate seat pricing like this. Virgin sells exit row seats for an added $75. United sells seat upgrades (to non-elite frequent flyer members) to the front of the coach section for $24-99. Air Canada charges $12 to reserve a coach seat if you have a discounted fare.

Instead of perpetuating a failed pricing system by adding even more permutations, they should be simplifying their pricing.
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Jimaz
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quote:

Instead of perpetuating a failed pricing system by adding even more permutations, they should be simplifying their pricing.


Exactly. Notice how complex airline paperwork has become over the years? There has to be some cost savings in simplifying that bureaucracy. Heck, most fliers just want to get from point A to point B.
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Northend
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_sj_ thank you for adding stupidity to the ubiquitous "hatred" on this forum. The fact that 60% of our population is overweight and a growing number of it is outright fat and obese does not have much to do with hatred, nor gays and persons of color.
Btw, What airline does a fat black gay dude fly?
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Sailor_rick
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Focusnthed

Some of us happen to choose to live in a first world country.

I am not content to sleep in a yurt next to a sewer (yet) because they do in the third world, nor should I welcome “third world service at first world prices.”

I have been to many third world countries, which I presume you have or was your observations gleaned from watching the ‘Travel Channel”?

Did you fly to these third world countries? In 1.5 hours?

In your travels, try the Ilyushin-96.
Although they can’t fly a few thousand miles in 1.5 hours, they do boast decent mid-row seating and spiffy stamped-steel seatbacks.
Alas, until a few years ago, Aeroflot allowed smoking aloft too.
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_sj_
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It does in relation to the post I quoted.
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River_rat
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Whine, whine, whine. Sorry I don't have any cheese for all of you who want to complain about middle seats, non-aisle seats, and non-exit row seats. If you want those seats -- pay for them! If you want to be really comfortable, fly first class. If you think this is discriminatory to those who can't afford the extra $$, they should likely stay home.

Life must be really good if this is all we have to complain about. And for those of you who really want to be scared - fly in an Ilushin-96 in the third world.

the river rat who don't complain about the little stuff
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Ltorivia485
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Riverrat, what is the difference between an aisle seat and an window seat on an DC-9? NONE. Charging extra for the same seat is STUPID.
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Ltorivia485, you can stretch your legs in the aisle when the seatbelt sign is on and you don't have to wake up the guy in the aisle seat to go to the head. Really, I wouldn't know, I always fly private charter with a lounge chair seat.


the river rat in the really friendly skies
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Hagglerock
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Tall people generally make more money than short people, They can take the extra $1,000 a year they earn and buy a business or first class seat. I don't know why they are complaining. :-)

http://www.slate.com/?id=20634 39
Here's your "tall bonus" sailor rick. :-)

Snickering aside the airlines need to make money, period. Most don't know all the effort it takes to load, calculate the aircraft's weight and balance, fuel plan, weather plans, ATC, safety inspections ect ect, and still get everyone safe on deck and on time for their next flight. Add that to the fact that we have been getting heavier and that requires a lot more fuel per leg. Those who fly know what I'm talking about because we have it pretty damn sweet right now in terms of fares.
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Gistok
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You can tell the short people by who posts what..... :-)

As a 6'3" man, I would pay an extra $15 for a more comfortable seat, especially the overseas overnight flights to Europe. Nothing worse than having the blood flow stop at your knees because the person in front of you has their seat all the way back.
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Sailor_rick
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Ha-Ha, thanks Hagglerock, I'll show that to my boss. Any hot investment tips for my grand (minus the extra for larger clothes (really)And extra calories/burned to height/ratio)?
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Patrick
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Well, who is tall here? I am 6'4" so yeah, tight spots tend to bug me, but I deal with it.
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Fastcarsfreedom
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It's important to note that this policy does not apply to ALL aisle seats on the aircraft (yet)--only those in the forward part of the Y cabin, and a few of the exit row seats. The airlines will continue to seat passengers they deem to be "healthy and capable" in the exit rows where the emergency equipment must be passenger operated. Personally I wouldn't have any problem paying the extra 15 bones--but I prefer the window anyway--and as someone said, in the D9S and D95, you're only dealing with 3+2 seating anyway. I think we all have physical limitations that make flying uncomfortable--airplane cabins are not entirely comfortable for anyone. I've had my share of experiences trying to sit in a bulkhead row with size 14 feet--it sucks...but...it's not Northwest's fault.
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Ltorivia485
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Is it me or there is a disproportionate number of tall men (6'3"+) on this forum? lol
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Jiminnm
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Northend, I think that airline is Ted.
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Jimaz
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I once ran across some engineering specs for commercial aircraft seating and was surprised to see these seat measurements speced to within 1 thousandth of an inch!

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