  Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2635 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
U watchin? Thoughts and opinions.... | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 770 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
so far so good | ||
Ndmom Member Username: Ndmom Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.212.43.53 |
I am encouraged. Some tangible goals that are attainable. | ||
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 753 Registered: 09-2004 Posted From: 69.14.76.187 |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060314/U PDATE/603140439 | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 435 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.2.191.57 |
Thanks, Sharmaal. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 1782 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.149.36 |
It sounded good. I'm looking forward to the increased code enforcement, and gleefully imagining KK's big campaign donor, Matty Maroun (a wealthy powerful suburbanite, btw) getting written up for condition of the MCS and other structures he owns, as well as for ignoring court orders and doing construction without permits. Perhaps Mr. Belvedere could cut him a deal on some windows. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 590 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
Oh Barnesfoto, dont ya know that none of Kilpatrick;s enforcements apply to: family members, friends,friends of friends and friend of other family members, appointees (and their friends and families), campaign donors, etc  | ||
Pjazz Member Username: Pjazz Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.212.49.14 |
Where was Councilman Kenyatta? | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 591 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
I wondered that too...and who took his place up on stage?? Couldnt figure it out. there were 9 people up there, supposed to be council | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4711 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
Maybe he forgot his silly hat and couldn't bear appearing on stage without it... | ||
Andyguard73 Member Username: Andyguard73 Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 64.25.200.14 |
Can anyone find the Brookings redevelopment list he was talking about? I can't find it on their website. | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 771 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
Kenyatta is a disgrace to the city of Detroit, a disgrace to the city of Detroit's hat stores, a disgrace to the muslim-looking wannabes, a disgrace to mankind, a disgrace to the 21st century, and a disgrace to the fact that something exists somewhere in the f(blip)ing universe | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 307 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.184.221 |
haha | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2120 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Aram - Calling Council Member Kenyatta's headwear a "silly hat" is another reason why I think you are an ass. He typically wears a kofia (Swahili for hat) a traditional muslim hat for covering your head before God. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 98 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
I was wondering the same about Councilman Kenyatta. The 9th person was the city clerk. Mayor sounds good, we all know that he is a good speaker. Sounds good, but, I need more than talk. I don't agree with the fact that the housing market has increased in Detroit. Maybe the taxes have, but certainly not the homes in my neighborhood. Would like to see more done for the homeless and mentally ill people. Which the Mayor stated that he would like to see the Detroit-Wayne County Mental Health Agency turned into an authority, this will be interesting since there is an redesign program going on now in the agency. Detroit really needs to curb the crimes/murders in the city. This is the first that I heard the Mayor speak out about the recent murders in the city. Just my opinion, Detroit could use a new police chief. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2415 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.75.212 |
"Ilovedetroit" are you also claiming to be Swahili as well as Muslim? | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4712 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
it's funny. i made that post with the specific intention of seeing if ilovedetroit would show up and attack me for it. mission accomplished. back to your regularly scheduled Forum bullshit. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3333 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
He's not the only one offended. Even this moderate considered that insensitive. That would be like calling someone's yarmulke a "silly hat." Talk about cultural insensitivity and ignorance. And the disgusting comments that followed were no better (North), though very telling. (Message edited by lmichigan on March 14, 2006) | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 785 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
The Aram....based on the number of sensitive world hat connoiseurs around, I suggest you learn about "silly" hats of the different civizations, religions, circus performers, Detroit politicians, hookers, Detroit pimps, BET presenters, Oakland county residents, and NBA players before you make more of the offensive comments you graced us with a minute ago. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4714 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
if Rasputin can call me a "sand nigger," anything is fair game. If people are willing to back blatantly and consistently racist people on this Forum, I'm more than willing to dish it right back at them to see them squirm. Honestly, I wasn't 100% sure if Kwame Kenyatta's hat had religious connotations. And if you're offended, I'm sorry. Thanks for the info, ild. But it's not the first time people have gotten offended on this Forum, and it's not going to be the last. That's what happens when the moderators let folks run rampant with their consistently racist bullshit. | ||
Urban_shocker Member Username: Urban_shocker Post Number: 259 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.141.181.161 |
KK speech-listening veterans will notice that each address begins with a section that explains how things aren't his fault. Then they'll point out that that section gets longer and longer with each succeeding speech he delivers. | ||
Urban_shocker Member Username: Urban_shocker Post Number: 260 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.141.181.161 |
There are plenty of very stupid posts on this board, but Aram, your last one takes the cake for illogic. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2416 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.75.212 |
Aram, Rasputin loves you. You are his "Brown Brother"...sometimes (when it suit his agenda of the moment, otherwise you can go to hell). | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 788 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
Kenyatta is a freaking clown who just happens to wear a silly hat. I don't care if it has a Muslim, jewish, or circus performer connotation, he still looks and sounds silly The Aram...how much does a pound of sand goes for these days? | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4715 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
metguy, the funny thing is that i'm not arabic. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3334 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Rasputin hasn't said a damn thing in this thread, and the excuse "well, he called me such-and-such in another thread" has no bearing on this. I hope we can get back on subject, but I fear that your comment, and your subsequent lacking reply, will not allow this to go on. Sure, people will be offended, but that reponse was incredibly poor. (Message edited by lmichigan on March 14, 2006) | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
Is Kenyatta a muslim? | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 308 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.184.221 |
M.L. is going to show K-money who's boss | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 793 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
Amazing how we made this thread (originally about the State of the City Address) about Kenyatta who, by the way, could not even point to the city of Detroit on a map!!!!!!!!!!But the residents of Detroit voted him in..... | ||
Billybbrew Member Username: Billybbrew Post Number: 134 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
i thought we were talking about the state of the city address, not someone's "head dress" | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 1783 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.148.40 |
Well, it IS a silly hat. But lay off on Kenyatta a bit, I don't think he's half the buffoon or thief that Alonzo Bates was, and he doesn't shoot his mouth off as much as Barbara Rose, so we're making progress. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
So is he a Muslum? I can't find anything that says he is. I think he wears it because...well maybe I shouldn't. | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 794 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
321...you should.... | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 72 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
Ya? | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 796 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
There is nothing wrong with slamming those ghetto punks! | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 73 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
Not doing that. Just want to know if there is a legitimate religous reason why he wears the hat. Do you know? | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 797 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
brian, I don't know. Personally, I don't think he can grasp the concept of what religion might be so I don't see the use for the silly hat (did we not all agree that it is a silly hat???) | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3335 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Northend, you must be playing a character, here. If you aren't, you are just as stupid as you are claiming Kenyatta to be. A smart person is able to attack a person's intelligence, without having to attack one's culture, religion, and/or race. Please tell me this idiotic, racist character you are playing is some kind of joke. That is, unless you believe that two wrongs make a right, then that also speaks volumes of your character (or lack there of). | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 800 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
Lmichigan...I don't think I attacked one's culture, religion and/or race. And no, I don't believe, not even comprehend the fact that two wrongs make a right. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
Lmichigan, Is Kenyatta a Muslim????????? | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 802 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
We don't know and we (I am) told I attack a darn religion!!!! Lmichigan, Is he muslim? | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2121 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Northend you are a pure racist. Aram in only young, ignorant and uncultured to the world. | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 804 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
Please, don't say that!! | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 805 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
not nice for Aram!! | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 75 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
What I see here are a lot of acusations and an inability to answer questions when asked. Typical Detroit politics. When you can't answer a question point a finger. People want to stick up for Kenyatta for whatever reason without knowing why he is even wearing the hat. | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 806 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.215.17.218 |
bloody hat kinda got things out of control. Brian, I'll research if he is Muslim. If he is and if I ever restate the things I've posted so far, then call me a racist, otherwise I still think it's a silly looking hat even if he was a white man!! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2122 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Northend - You just don't get it! EVEN if he is not a Muslim it doesn't matter. He is still showing respect(in his way) for Muslims and God (remember the same God is worshipped by Christians, Muslims, and Jews) - his dress is usually Afican. He is also showing respect to his anceastors. As a society we advance when we understand other people's cultures and we accept them. Northend maybe you aren't a racist but you were being ignorant and ignorance is the first step to things that are a lot worse. Thanks | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2123 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
FYI - For those who are interested my guess is Kwame Kenyatta took the surname of Kenyatta from Jomo Kenyatta. A famous Kenyan liberator who worked to free his people from British Colonialism. I have been to Nairobi before and the airport there is named after him. He is revered as one of the founding fathers of Kenya. He wore "silly" hats to. http://www.africawithin.com/ke nyatta/kenyatta_bio.htm | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1325 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.21 |
Why is everyone on council so fat? The only people who looked at all presentable was Janice Winfrey, Ken Cockrell and Martha Reeves. These people are supposed to represent Detroit and they look like the African delegation to a royal wedding (except fatter). I propose an episode of America's Biggest Loser - Detroit City Council Edition. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3798 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.223 |
OL' KING KWAME said that Detroit will not be like 20 years ago, for the " Coleman Young" times is gone. He's right. The City " CLOWNSIL" needs to stop acting like the Detroit Zoo and start focusing on Detroit future. And the suburbs needs to stop crying " Boo Hoo" in the water issue and hop the Detroit's bandwangon so we could build bridges for the 21st Century and the whole world will know us as a " Can do city!" | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 550 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 192.122.250.250 |
lol | ||
Blondy Member Username: Blondy Post Number: 988 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.52.73 |
So do we need to start another thread to talk about the state of the city address? I heard on WDET on my way to work this morning that Kwame was to be on later this morning, did anyone hear what he had to say? What else did he say last night? | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1326 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.21 |
Blondy - Some things that stuck out in my mind from last nights speach. -National Anthem sung by Anita Baker -Entire city of Detroit wireless by Jan 2008. -Tax reductions for select neighborhoods to be phased in in 2007 2008 and 2009. No annoucement on which neighborhoods yet. -Detroit led region in housing starts 1200 last year. This year is expected to double that number. -City is poor. Very poor. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 516 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.169.65 |
Met, "Ilovedetroit" are you also claiming to be Swahili as well as Muslim?" You're kidding right? Swahili is a language not a religion. later - naturalsister | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1664 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
This thread is showing why DY is considered the kiddies table. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 106 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
Kenyatta is just taking up the slack for the hat crowd since the passing of her Admirality, Kay Everett. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 424 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
It would certainly be sad if Kenyatta took one of those genealogical DNA tests and found out that his ancestry was from an entirely different place and ethnic ancestry. See this article from USA Today on African-American DNA testing and this excerpt: http://www.usatoday.com/news/n ation/2006-02-01-dna-tests_x.h tm "For African-Americans accustomed to tracing family histories through conventional means, DNA can upset long-held conclusions. Henry Louis "Skip" Gates Jr., host of the PBS documentary and chairman of African and African-American studies at Harvard University, used court documents, family records and slave rental agreements to trace his family back to Maryland in the mid-1700s. To test his family's oral history — that it was descended from a freed slave and her former owner — Gates found the former slave owner's white descendants in Maryland and California. Their paternal line DNA was compared with Gates'. If all three had descended from the same man, the DNA sequences on their Y chromosomes should have matched. They didn't. The white slave owner was not Gates' great-great grandfather after all. Gates was shocked. Then, a follow-up test on DNA from his mother's side carried more unexpected news. The Harvard professor had a white maternal ancestor, too. Gates concluded that he is probably 50% white. "I'll never see my family tree in quite the same way," Gates says on the PBS program. "I have the blues. Can I still have the blues?" | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1848 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.98.116.13 |
When you look at who considers it the kiddies table, you begin to understand that the comment made above, is more of a compliment. Also, as a sign of respect, a hat should not be worn indoors at a formal gathering under any circumstances, unless the person is a religious leader of some kind or the person is in designated uniform. Wannabe's do not count. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2125 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Naturalsister - I am not Swahili and I am not Muslim. I am best characterized as agnostic. However, I do have respect for what other people believe in (as long as no one is being hurt). Swahili is a language that is spoken predominately in East Africa - it can also refer to the people who speak that language - since there are several hundred tribes in East Afica Swahili can be a word used to describe the speakers. An educated East African can speak kis-Swahili, their tribal language and English. Additonally they may also speak another language if educated abroad. How do I know...because I lived in East Africa for many years as Peace Corps Volunteer. On the subject of the mayor's speech. I thought it was good esp., with refernce to improving the city's labor contracts and controlling ongoing cost. I was encouraged to hear that the city is going wireless by 2008. I also think that it is time to go after the current union contracts and hold people accountable. He cited a 30% absenteeism rate in the city work force. This number shocked me. However, I did speak to a friend of mine who worked in management at the zoo and he said that it was probably very accurate. It was his biggest headache as a manager - getting people to show up to work. I was also VERY glad to hear him speak about going after the insurance industry. That is something we can all identify with - lower rates! Overall I thought it was very good. But the proof will be in implementation over the years. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2642 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
What Kenyatta wears is called a KUFI  A kufi is a short rounded cap, traditionally worn by Muslims, although within the US it has become more commonly identified with persons of African descent, who wear it to show pride in their history and their religion. Often made of kente cloth or crocheted in a variety of yarns, kufis were popular fashion items throughout hip hop culture during the late-1980s/early-1990s. Musical performers such as Marvin Gaye and Common have been noted for wearing kufis as part of their personal style. Within Islam, it is considered part of sunnah and tradition that the companions of the Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) were never seen without their heads being covered. In order to emulate their actions, and thereby approach closer to being correct in their actions, Muslims throughout the world wear a variety of kufis, caps, and other headgear. Kufis, therefor are not a modern invention within the US-based Muslim community, but a tradition from antiquity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kufi | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6989 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
What I liked: Made it a point to call out the lazy CoD workers (while giving credit to the good ones). It is a sign that he is no longer going to kiss the ass of the unions. While nothing may come of it it is nice that he is willing to demand soem level of accountability. Retiree and benefits - Damn!!! If the city goes to receivership can the benefit packages be renegotiated? Housing starts - Very promising I also liked the fact that given the current regional political conditions he did not take any cheap shots. Outsourcing discussed - I like it, I like it. The comment about working with CC and the tension being good - That relationship needs to be improved, even if it is just treating each other with more professionalism. As always with KK it was a damn good speech but the results are after the speech. What concerns me is that I think the best ideas is to enforce accountability for employees to show up and work and look at outsourcing non-critical services (or some critical ones such as garbage). This will be killed by CC that tends to believe that Detroit is an employer, not a city that provides services. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 6990 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.24 |
One more - I like what I heard about neighborhood tax reductions and investigating insurance in the city. Who was it that implied Detroit and Detroiters are doing nothing about insurance so it must be fair. Was that you Brian321? | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1665 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
I not sure I would consider it a compliment but more of a commentary on the dumbasses that have been posting on this thread. A_r you are definitely part of that group. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1327 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.21 |
I've notice you posting on this thread as well. (Message edited by gogo on March 15, 2006) | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1666 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Someone has to point out that the title of thread is "State of the City Address" not State of the City Dress Code especially since Kenyatta wasn’t even in attendance. Gogo what are you doing on this thread anyways isn’t there some development that needs bashing or a group of surface lots you would like to describe as a dense urban neighborhood. | ||
Gogo Member Username: Gogo Post Number: 1328 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 198.208.251.21 |
Lowell - I think MG really just wants to be kicked off the island. He is trying so desperately to fit in on that other website but those fine folks just haven't embrassed him. An official banishment from Dyes would certainly give him brownie points over there. I know you need to really mess up to be banished from Dyes, but surely a pity banishment is allowed every now and then. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 517 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.255.243.129 |
I know ILD, I was commenting on Metrodetguy accusing you of claiming to be Swahili - which we both know is ridiculous because no one can BE Swahili. Like I mentioned, I hope he was joking. later - naturalsister | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1849 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.98.116.13 |
Threads evolve on their own, there is rarely any effective steering mechanisim. Most forums work this way. Some threads stay on topic, some don't. Worrying about each and every one will only make you frustrated. In the case that it frustrates you to the point of calling people names, I suggest that it's either time to accept it, or time to leave. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2126 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Merchant - WELCOME to the kiddies table! PS - Gogo eat him up ie., like a terrier at the ankles grrrr ruff ruff! Naturalsister - Gotcha! Sorry I tend to ignore Metro's posts these days - better for my soul! | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 768 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.246.103.7 |
I thought Mr. Kilpatrick was brilliant as usual__ My thoughts, with this address to the city, he reached down to the 'common-folk'. I really liked his analogy of the 'household', he compared the cities crisis to that of someone's home, when you have to cut-back when times get tight__ I bet everyone that grew up in Detroit can relate to that situation! (I know I can) I was suprised about the incredible high absentee rate within the city workers__ I believe he stated something like 30% on any given day! OUCH! I'm glad to hear that the Mayor is willing to work with the stubborn unions in the city. He also explain the problem with bulk trash, and explained it in simplified terms, what it really meant to the 'true residence' of this city__ "more police protection". One could feel the true passion that the Mayor has for his city during his speech__ For example ,the Mayor practically got on his knees, begging the Governor to give him money! That was real. All and all it was a uplifting speech.(thumbs up) super d(motordetroit) | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 291 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Duh! The city workers' 30% absentee rate was no secret. Doesn't that go hand-in-hand with DDOT's only putting on its routes only 70% of the scheduled busses on a daily basis? DPS also has a very high absentee rate for years. Those teachers got their full pay while not working, and substitute teachers were brought in to cover and, of course, also had to be paid. KK could have done something during the past four years. Why didn't he? Bill Ballenger, Inside Michigan Politics, said on WJR this morning that KK's speech was mostly just talk, based on his track record. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2127 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Well you know none of the major unions supported Kilpatrick nor McPhail (she is head of legal now)...they owe them nothing. I think this is a good time to do some of the work that needs to be done. The sad part of it is there are 70% of folks who are doing their work and doing a good job - 30% that are dragging their team mates down. My guess is that the unions are probably very worried now. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.220.142.7 |
Damn they must get a lot of vacation days to call in 30% of the time! Just cut the # of sick days! Problem solved. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 988 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
I don't believe that 30 percent stated absentee rate. I wouldn't be surprised if it's manufactured from faulty statistics to justify future layoffs and requests for concessions from the unions. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1668 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
I believe the fact that Detroit has no money to pay city workers is the reason they will use to justify future layoffs and requests for concessions from the unions. There is no need to make up absentee rate. ILD 70% shows up for work that doesn't mean they do a good job, the employees that do a good job is probably 50%. | ||
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo Post Number: 548 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 194.138.39.56 |
I don't care if it's a manufactured number or not. The unions needs to figure out that this is a sinking ship and if you need to throw off a couple of your shipmates to keep the ship from sinking, then so be it. The unions need to figure out that if the City goes into recievership, their jobs are GONE. And probably so it their retirement. Work with the City or die with it. That's what it boils down to. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 8255 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.54.68.220 |
How many expose's can they have about city workers drinking on the job, sleeping, shopping all the while on the clock? I agree witih Merchantgander and Detroitduo. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2417 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 70.237.11.126 |
Naturalsister, no you have to be kidding. I was refering to "Ilovedetroit's" claims to be all things (races, genders, political affiliations, sexual orientation, residences, income levels, occupations, etc...depending on the topic at hand). It was a joke based on "Ilovedetroit's" predisposition to pathological lying. "Ilovedetroit", are your claims of living in East Africa similar to your claims about all your other residences (Detroit, Ferndale, Pleasant Ridge, etc.) or all your other claims for that matter? By the way funny that you contradicted yourself (once again) about whether someone can "be" Swahili. | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 310 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.184.146 |
As far as I'm concerned, if laying off city workers and privatizing services will help the budget, so be it. A few years back I worked for a neighboring suburb during my summer break from school in their services dept., I can say without hesitation that the full-time, unionized city workers do as little as possible throughout the day. Frankly, many of them don't do anything and of course get paid very well for doing so. The city has since contracted some things out and services haven't skipped a beat (arguably in better shape) and they are surely saving costs. I was once a pro-union guy (for the most part still am), but seeing these fat union slobs first-hand always makes me think twice. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1877 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.118 |
Mayor Kilpatrick's speech was excellent. I think he threw down the gauntlett with the unions. Now that took some backbone! Good for him! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2128 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Blessyouboys- I agree with you 100% - unfornately too many peopel think of the fat cats and the lazy asses - I am pro-Union to. But unions need to reform like every other business in the US is doing. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.144.93.118 |
Just a thought, to consider when posting.... Be careful in your criticism of the council; some wonder why it trips such strong reactions with people. The people of the city elected these councilmembers, as our representatives; when you insult a councilperson, many people (quite logically) could come to the conclusion you are insulting them. The city of Detroit has a vastly different culture than the rest of the metro area; in most circles in the city of Detroit, what Mr. Kenyatta wears is completely acceptable as formal, business attire, as natural to the people living here as one in white society going to a job interview wearing a suit. Quite frankly, if you have a problem with it, or it makes you uncomfortable, you should consider whether or not you actually want to be involved with the city, because you can build shiny new buildings, repave roads, turn on streetlights, but these cultural items will never, ever change. | ||
Chub Member Username: Chub Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.246.28.200 |
Digitalvision, I think your post is interesting and right on for the most part. I don't agree that "these cultural items will never, ever change" though. Detorit has seen numerous cultural changes throughout it's history, and could change again at any moment. Am I wrong? (Message edited by chub on March 15, 2006) | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 238 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.144.93.118 |
Agreed Chub... I would, however, say that it won't significantly change in this regard in the foreseeable future (and I'm not making a value judgement on the concept, just stating the facts as I see them). | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2129 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Digital - Great post. Some of the things this Forum teaches people (at least I hope it does) is cultural awareness and tolerance. My guess is that many of the people that make ignorant posts live in their own closed off suburban world and are not aware of the bigger picture that is Detoit. Their views are shaped by what they read in the Detroit papers or what they see on TV. The people of this city are not stupid (esp. the voters). They are aware and up on the issues. Just because you may not agree does not make you right! Thanks for your post it is VERY good. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
Ilovedetroit, I would counter by saying that many of the people that make ignorant posts live in their own closed off part of Detroit and are not aware of the bigger picture of Southeast Michigan. The views of these people are shaped by what they hear from their elected officals. The people who live outside of the city but who still care about the city are not stupid. They are aware of the issues facing Detroit and all of Southeast Michigan. Just because they do not live in the city does not make them wrong when discussing its issues. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2130 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
321Brian - I hear you (and yes there is some of that) but I stand by my post...having lived here for many years and being active in my community - with all types of people and of all races - I have found that ignorance is much stronger of us in Detroit than us of them for those who live across 8 Mile. |
