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Psewick
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Hello everyone... this is my first post here. Thanks to the administrators for approving my application. : )

2005 was my first year living in Detroit as an adult, and I have to file my city income taxes. However, the instructions do not say (at least I can't find where it says) what a standard deduction is for a single adult with no disabilities or dependents.

Thank you for your help! : )

--Paul
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Merchantgander
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Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is located in the middle of the tax form.
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Crew
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Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$600 on line 6.
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Psewick
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Thank you. It's not on my form, I suppose, since it's a D-1040 (L) (part year resident) since I moved here in April.

Thanks again! :D
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Crew
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Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

of course, my suggestion would be to never tax tax advice from some guy posting on the internet ;)
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Mbr
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Post Number: 47
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Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 1:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I propose an elimination of the city tax for residents under 30
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Eastsidedog
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I say tax non-residents at 2.4% and residents at 1.2% :-)

(I think those rates are right. Anyone?)
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Jt1
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Elimination of income tax for families with kids that attend DPS.

The under 30s will come but the the city needs to retain the families and the middle class.
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Eastsidedog
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Really it should be phased out and the city should start collecting property taxes again (because they barely collect them now).
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Rustic
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crew, waddaya mean never take tax advice from some guy posting on the internet? That's the only place to go:

http://www.paynoincometax.com/

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/tax.h tm

http://www.givemeliberty.org/

http://www.taxfreedomnow.com/

http://www.ylana.com/tax7-700. htm


:-)
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Jt1
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quote:

(because they barely collect them now).




How so. Do you know how many homes the city/county take over for lack of payment. The income tax is slated to be rolled back over time so that the city can adjust.

If we collected every penny of every property tax that would nowhere near cover our budget. Consider the following:

Homes prices in the ctiy are extremely low which results in very low SEV.

Many owners in the city have been in thrier homes for many, many years which results in very low taxes based upon Prop A.

The city owns more houses/lots than they know what to do with due to taking over the homes for back taxes.

Simply put collecting every penny in property tax willl not put a band aid on the loss from the income tax and will have very little effect on the budget.

I don't like the income tax and I think Cavanaugh f'ed up big time when he instituted it but it will have to stay in the short term and property tax simply would not fill the gap.
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Mbr
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I think the under 30's will come anyway but why give them one more thing to add to their list of sacrifices for moving to the city. I think young people with good jobs will more than make up for the lost revenue by purchasing goods and services in the city. The revenue has got to be quite low and that guy I met who moved to dearborn from the city can't use his "I didn't want to pay the city tax anymore" speech.
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Eastsidedog
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Jt1, Just to give you an idea of the state of things (at least 3 years ago):
http://www.metrotimes.com/edit orial/story.asp?id=5312

Also, property values have been going up in Detroit for years across the city. Per the article above, the city misses out on $60 million a year in uncollected taxes and it's been this way for YEARS (only an 85% collection rate, when the natl. avg. is like 98%). The deficit is currently $200-400 million depending on who you ask. The property tax collection is inefficiency at it's ABSOLUTE WORST. Not to mention that the city is very spotty on assessing property. The income tax could easily be phased out but Mayor Kilpatrick stopped that.
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Ndavies
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Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 5:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Eastsidedog, That article is way out of touch with the current reality. Deliquent tax collection was turned over to Wayne county a couple of years ago. There was also legislation introduced at the time to greatly reduce the amount of time required to confiscate a property for failure to pay taxes.

Even if the assesments are updated they would only affect newly purchased homes. Assesments can only go up by the rate of inflation due to the Prop A legislation. They are uncapped when a home sold.
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Eastsidedog
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Ndavies, Good point about the article. I knew things had improved some since that article (wasn't sure what, they still say property taxes are only 12% of revenue which is insane). Still, only delinquent taxes were turned over. Has the collection rate improved? I have noticed some foreclosures in my neighborhood lately. But they still take forever (it takes about a year to buy a vacant lot, if your just an individual and not a well-connected developer).

About assessments, the city still doesn't assess many houses when they sell even when the value has gone up drastically. Talk to any Detroit realtor, they'll tell you (mine did) that if you buy in one of the well known neighborhoods you will get hammered with a huge tax bill, but there are many areas of the city that "under the radar" i.e. the city doesn't know the homes are valuable and simply doesn't assess them. That's probably not enough $$$ to cover the loss of income tax revenues but it could make a HUGE difference in the city coffers for sure. Inefficiency has been easting the city alive for years. But it is getting better.
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Detrola
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Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Every year I ask my tax guy the same question. Can I file my city of detroit tax form electronically? Every year he just laughs and hands me the form and an envelope. It's the trickle of little inconveniences added up over years. The trickle is fast becoming a torrent. Get thee to higher ground or watch thy fortune fade.
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Mcp001
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Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 12:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Detroit income tax is a pathetic joke that needs to be abolished.

Unfortunately, TPTB are too addicted to redistributing money from those who produce in our society to those who do/will not.
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Corktownmark
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That sounds more like the bush plan for the oil companies then the C of D plan. When did collecting garbage, providing police become redistributing wealth mcp001?
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Mcp001
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Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 12:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since having 30% of your work force not reporting for work became an acceptable practice.
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Corktownmark
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That IS really bad. Time to actually enforce the contracts folks (should) work under.
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Hamtramck_steve
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Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 3:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is there any proof that the 30% is accurate?

How is the Mayor slicing and dicing the numbers to arrive at that?

Perhaps he's purposefully inflating the numbers, and the public is an unwitting pawn in a skirmish over power?

For instance, does the 30% include those people on medical leaves? How about this one: if a police officer normally assigned to the night shift has to testify in court, he automatically receives his next shift off, so the city can avoid overtime.
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Mcp001
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Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 7:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good question, Steve.

Oh Mr. Wilson, just how accurate is hizhonors 30% figure?

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