  Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5689 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
I toured the Holocaust Memorial Center today and learned an interesting bit of history. Who is the only American mentioned in Mein Kampf? (Jjaba, I know you know this one, so please hold off on answering.) | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 81 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
Henry Ford? | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 606 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
hmm good guess... thats about as good a guess as I can think of too. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5690 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
Damn that was fast. Yes, Henry Ford. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1468 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Hey, we know stuff. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3356 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Jeff, kind of off topic, but have you ever been to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in D.C.? I've yet to go to the one in West Bloomfield, but I've always been interested in how the two compare and contrast. I must say, the one in D.C. is a very powerful museum, even down the very small details such as the interior design (i.e. factory-like). | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 950 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.152 |
He was also awarded a medal by AH Ford and the Nazis | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5691 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.242.213.167 |
Lmich, no, I haven't. But I will one day. The one here is very powerful, too. Quite large with lots of impressive exhibits. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4725 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
I've been to both the national and West Bloomfield Holocaust museums. As a member of an ethnic group who was subject to a similar mass genocide of people, it was a very powerful experience. I also had the opportunity to visit the remains of Buchenwald when I was in Germany. Mass graves are an extremely troubling thing to see. Mound after mound after mound of earth, which wouldn't be alarming until they tell you what they are and how many people are in them and how much time each mount represents. I will say this- the victims of the Nazi Holocaust are extremely fortunate to have international recognition for their tragedy. Others, like the Armenians, are not so lucky. We fight tooth and nail to get the American government to even use the proper term of "Genocide" to refer to what happened in Armenia during the years prior to and during World War I. In a few weeks, PBS will be showing a documentary on the Genocide, and then following it up with a "roundtable" discussion, whose two sole participants will be Turkish scholars who deny the Armenian Genocide ever happened. Just another ploy to minimize the suffering of millions. Sorry to go off on a tangent... | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 893 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
"He (Ford) was also awarded a medal by AH" as were Thomas Watson of IBM, James Mooney of General Motors (just a month after Ford's award), and probably a number of other American executives (Message edited by lilpup on March 20, 2006) | ||
Sknutson Member Username: Sknutson Post Number: 477 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 64.139.1.36 |
And I was going to guess it was Karl. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3358 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
I hear you, Aram. As being part of a minority that was enslaved and oppressed, here, the national holocaust museum struck me deep, as well. What I took away is that places like these are very valuable in that they are a warning to not repeat the negative parts of human history; a message everyone can take to heart. I'm still waiting for the world declare the Darfur Confilt an act of at least ethnic/cultural cleansing, whether or not the term of genocide is technically correct. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1640 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Now Sknutson, you know that you are a defender of the current holocaust in this country - abortion - and I am not. Nor was I ever a defender of holocausts past. But nice try tho - were he alive, AH would happily award you a medal for your efforts - or lack thereof - for the vicious effect abortion has on blacks & Jews in particular. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 1799 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.2.148.93 |
The medal that Hitler awarded to Ford is in a vault at the Henry Ford Museum. HFM publicly denies that the medal is there, but a close friend of mine was once a curator at the museum and, curious about the rumors, found the medal easily. | ||
Erikto Member Username: Erikto Post Number: 327 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.228.108.91 |
Hi LMichigan, Darfur has fullfilled the requirements to be termed an active campaign of genocide, I think both your federal government and mine have acknowledged this. In the mean time, Khartoum has upped the ante, and their janjaveed scum have extended their raping and burning to neighbouring Chad. It is apalling that countries like ours are not only sitting this out, but I think we even give money/ aid to the d#uche bags in Khartoum. I wish instead of money we'd force Khartoum to put up or shut up by offering skilled military tactical support to wipe the janjaveed off the face of the Earth before offering another penny in the form of relief, debt forgiveness or anything else they keep getting from countries like the US and Canada. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1899 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.150.139 |
We won't get real involved. There's no Oil in Sudan! | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4726 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
This is not unprecedented. there's a book of multiple hundred pages filled with news clippings from the New York Times and other American newspapers describing the day-by-day atrocities committed against the Armenians by the Turks in 1915. Same goes for the Jewish Holocaust. People know what's going on, and yet no one wants to act. | ||
Urban_shocker Member Username: Urban_shocker Post Number: 262 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 69.221.74.246 |
There is too oil in the Sudan. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3359 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Erik, I'm aware that the U.S. has declared this a genocide, but the U.N. (which would have more jurisdiction over these type of conflicts, though that's not much at all) still has yet to declare it one. But, it's not just the Janjaweed, but the Sudanese military bombing their own people from fighter jets. That's what gets me. I can't say I'm surprised that this is going largely ignored, but this is a near similar conflict with the one in Kosovo where the world (i.e. the UN) acted relatively quickly and efficiently to end that conflict. I just think our war money would go so much further (including with the War of Terrorism) in striking at the janjaweed, and standing up to the Sudanese government than our current exploits around the world. Whether they believe it or not, Sudan is part of this War on Terrorism in more ways than one, even more so than Iraq was, IMO. | ||
Erikto Member Username: Erikto Post Number: 328 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.228.108.91 |
Janjaweed, not janjaveed, my mistake... perhaps I was subconsciously worried karl would chime in on my typing 'weed', even as part of a longer word! (This joke pertains to another thread and isn't really expected to be regarded as funny) Anyhow, all we can do is bring this issue to people's attention in our daily lives. Human Rights Watch and other non-government activist groups have been describing this atrocity for years, too bad the issue is so slow to catch on. Hope we don't have to wait for a harrowing after-the-fact drama to storm movie theatres in half a decade to let the world know what had happened there... | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 83 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.19.247 |
What did I win? | ||
Border5150 Member Username: Border5150 Post Number: 129 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 207.232.204.254 |
I've never been to the Holocaust museum in West Bloomfield, but I've heard that it blows away the Washington DC Museum. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2148 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
And lets not forget Native Americans - slaughtered in huge numbers. Up until a few years ago Native children were taken from their parents (esp the more white looking children) and put in schools to make them "act more white" ...my own granny remembers the school "recruiters" coming thru town and her mother telling her to go hide in the woods. This in our own country. Of course a few more years of Bush and we may have to run into the woods to have abortions or be hiding our gay friends there. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1643 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Ilovedetroit said: "a few more years of Bush and we may have to run into the woods to have abortions or be hiding our gay friends there." Uh huh, sure. Too bad the babies being killed can't run into the woods and hide from their own mothers. As for gays, they're perfectly capable of taking care of themselves, and haven't been chased lately - except perhaps by their peers......... | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2431 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.248.12.253 |
Ah good old "Ilovedetroit" is now once again claiming his/her alleged Native American roots (for the purposes of this thread). "WE may have to run in the woods for abortions"...so you're back to claiming that you're a woman again too? | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2150 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.57.75 |
Metro - This is stupid...do you have to drag your personal vendetta with me to all threads? 1. I am very fortunate to be of mixed race heritage - African American, White, and American Indian. To most I look white but to some astute folks they can pick up on the "flavor" in me. 2. I am gay and a man and I am a proud gay man. 3. I live in Detroit and have been in my house for several years. There are others on here who know me and who have been to my house in Detroit! Now can we get back to the thread of Mein Kampf? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3360 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.172.95.197 |
Their's nothing to get back too since the original question was answered early on. Still, the petty personal attacks that have followed show the maturity level, here. | ||
Jjw Member Username: Jjw Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.56.156 |
I've never been to the Holocaust museum in West Bloomfield, but I've heard that it blows away the Washington DC Museum. been to both. you may want to visit the one in dc before you take your friend's advice |
