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Detroitman
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Post Number: 944
Registered: 06-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 6:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LIVING LARGE

Detroit City Council, despite red ink, wants 23% budget increase

Lisa M. Collins / The Detroit News
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060328/M ETRO/603280390/1003
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Miss_cleo
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Post Number: 137
Registered: 05-2005
Posted From: 69.47.85.139
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 8:13 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

see? THIS is whats wrong with Detroit!
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Warriorfan
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Post Number: 290
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 68.43.81.191
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This pretty much says it all:

"Most of the increase is slated to pay for health care costs and pensions for City Council staff, which, on a per-capita basis as well as the number of staff per council member, eclipses the staff size of councils in several cities polled by The News, including New York; Chicago; San Jose, Calif.; and Columbus, Ohio."


Who needs more cops on the streets? Having more City Council staffers and paying them more is far more important to the city and its taxpayers. Thank you Friends and Family Plan!
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River_rat
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 207.195.240.239
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is another example of why the current City of Detroit should no longer exist. The government is completely and totally (tautolic, yes) disconnected from reality and the real needs of the city. It represents only itself.

Deannexation and relinquishing soveriegnity to construct new responsible governing groups is the way to go. Please, no one should refer to 'economies of scale' as there are none in this city.

the river rat


the river rat
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Gildas
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Post Number: 503
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 69.216.136.224
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Still hoping for recievership ASAP and still painfully aware that we in the city cannot manage our city.
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Gogo
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Post Number: 1343
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Still hoping for recievership ASAP and still painfully aware that we in the city cannot manage our city.




And the state did a swell job running our schools. So they'll definitely do a good job running our entire city.
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Dialh4hipster
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Post Number: 1502
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.61.187.234
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you honestly think it will be worse than it currently is?
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Gogo
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Post Number: 1344
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:37 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you honestly think it will be better? What do you think a bunch of Lansing legislatures will do to Detroit when they have their hands on it and run it their way? You need to only look at how badly they have run Detroit schools to see that things CAN get worst. Many thought DPS couldn't get any worst with the state takeover, and what do you know, they did! Detroit Public School students MEAP scores fell even further behind the state average under the state takeover. By all measures, nothing improved in DPS and many things got worst. Lansing legislatures do not have to answer to Detroiters and therefore have to face absolutely no consequences to their bad decisions. Is this how you want our city run?

Everyone agrees that things are not being run well, but a state takeover is NOT going to make things better.
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River_rat
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 68.166.44.44
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 11:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Who is talking about a state takeover? We are looking at new 'small city' jurisdictions. Most of us agree that the state is just as bad as the city.

Big governments do not work well. Small and responsive to local needs is the way to go.



the river rat is anti-big gov't
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Danindc
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Post Number: 1367
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 67.100.158.10
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, River Rat, as the chartering authority for the City of Detroit, the State of Michigan would have to step in to break up the City. I would think the State would have to revoke Detroit's charter, which is not exactly a common procedure. There would certainly be plenty of controversy, to say the least.

Small governments aren't inherently immune to any of the ills normally attributed to large governments. Their corruption and incompetence tends to go unnoticed simply because of the smaller scale.
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Gogo
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Post Number: 1345
Registered: 11-2003
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quote:

Who is talking about a state takeover? We are looking at new 'small city' jurisdictions.




Like Highland Park? That worked well too.
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Boo
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Post Number: 118
Registered: 01-2004
Posted From: 63.117.185.99
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i like how cockrel mentions that the expense is because they are an "at large" council. talk about throwing a gimme for those looking to turn council into a ward system!

as for splitting the city up, i agree with river rat. it doesn't make sense to hold a city together that has proven time and again that it cannot make things work. break it down and localize government so that it is responsive and in touch with the residents. regionalize those services that can be done well- such as trash collection, fire, or water. have a regional board whose job is to promote the collection of cities to the rest of the country as a place to live and do business.

could you imagine adding corktown, midtown, the eastside, to the list of municipalities in se michigan? what would they be named?
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Hamtramck_steve
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Post Number: 2841
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 136.181.195.65
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, smaller municipalities all across Michigan are thriving, while only big, bad Detroit flounders.

Puh-leeze. Do you think we're all stupid here?

The only "growth" in Michigan is the people paid to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Lt_tom
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 144.147.1.66
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 1:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about hiring a corporation to run the city? They could clean the streets and increase commercial growth... I know of one such company.

OCP The Company

Omni Consumer Products (OCP) is a large multinational corporation in the business of everything from the manufacture of military hardware to public services such as law enforcement. OCP is a company of vision that has entered markets into that in the past were considered to be traditionally nonprofit. OCP is headquartered in Detroit, Michigan. It desires Detroit with to create a new newly designed buildings and plenty of "good jobs". Such "good jobs" are of course in theory to be found working for OCP, a near total regional corporate monopoly which manufactures goods for the world.

OCP's Products

OCP's most inventive products have been products with military applications including the ED-209 Robot, and the products that have come about from their Robocop projects including Robocop and "Robocop 2." Their dominance in the field of military weapons production is quite evident when an officer of the company named Dick Jones boasts, "We practically are the Military."


just a thought....
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Toolbox
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Post Number: 862
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 66.184.29.148
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 2:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Lt_tom

How about hiring a corporation to run the city? They could clean the streets and increase commercial growth... I know of one such company.

OCP The Company

Omni Consumer Products (OCP) is a large multinational corporation........




Wait till Danny sees that post! He will start back up with the ZOG, Zionist, OCP, Illumanita and such theories.

A little history Lt_tom there was once a word filter installed due to The Ghettoman's street prophets postings.

Ahh the good old days.
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Wabashrr1
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.137
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 2:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The political class, regardless of the level of government, always makes sure to take care of its own"

Maybe it's time for the Detroit electorate to do some house cleaning and do it often.

Just a thought.
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Jerome81
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Post Number: 955
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 64.142.86.133
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 1:39 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its ridiculous.

Clean house. The city as a whole is a little different than DPS. What the city needs is to void ridiculous contracts and un necessary departments. I don't think DPS needed that. Receivership would likely allow for that to happen.

Its just ridiculous what running the damn city costs. And you get jack shit back in return
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Danny
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Post Number: 3871
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 141.217.174.235
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 9:45 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Once receivership does happen in Detroit. All city services would be PRIVATIZED!!! Detroit would be turn from low-income drepressed black city to a snobbyesque middle-income diversified metropolis.

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