  Doctors Member Username: Doctors Post Number: 699 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.42.124.248 |
For the 2010 census Detroit will no longer be "officially" the 10th largest city in America. What will this mean for phychie of Metro Detroit as a whole? What will this mean in terms of State and Federal funding? What will this mean for the State of Michigan, nearly ten million strong and 8th in national population? | ||
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo Post Number: 147 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 69.47.85.139 |
It means all the smart people are getting out before the ship sinks.....so long Detroit Metro area, its been a fun ride, I am glad I knew ye | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 1721 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
Absolutely nothing. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 448 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
Being #11 instead of #10 wouldn't be very much of a difference. Remember that Detroit used to be #4 or #5 not that long ago ..... the decline from #4/#5 to #10 was certainly more significant. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 984 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
I thought I just heard that Detroit had lost as many people as the 11th largest city in America...which happens to be Detroit. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3491 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
jjaba growing up. Detroit #4. New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit and then the rest. Then, Los Angeles pushed us to #5. Now we got Houston, Phoenix, pissant San Jose, Seattle, San Antonio, Dallas, San Diego, Miami all nipping at us. What's the official line-up right now? jjaba, on the Westside. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 120 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.220.142.7 |
It's not 2010 yet. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 183 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 141.217.46.39 |
i dont even think we will be #11 when its all said and done | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.220.142.7 |
Exactly, Mrsjdaniels. But it won't mean anything. Detroit going under 1 million had real ramifications in terms of federal funding. The #11 or #12 thing is really psychological more than anything. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7128 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
Common, incorrect belief. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 122 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.220.142.7 |
really? please explain. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7129 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
There was no loss of federal money when we went from 1 MM to 999,999. | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 449 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.215.30.34 |
jjaba: I believe the order is as follows - 1. New York 2. L.A. 3. Chicago 4. Houston 5. Philly 6. Phoenix 7. San Diego 8. San Antonio 9. Dallas 10. San Jose 11. Detroit And the next few cities creeping up could be Indy, Jacksonville, San Francisco and Columbus, Ohio. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 123 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.220.142.7 |
That's not what everyone was saying. Interesting. We should note that there are many cities smaller than Detroit (pre-katrina New Orleans coomes to mind) that are very culturally significnt. Besides it's not like they are really "leaving." Most are just moving outside city limits is all. The population of the metro has been steady since like 1970. Detroit "losing population" is misleading. In reality it's just shifting outside of the city proper. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 186 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 141.217.46.39 |
yeah i think it will be 'all in the mind' but what is scary is that geographically we fit 1.5 + mil and all of those empty buildings will continue to be eyesores and that is what i am scared of...that we wotn capitilize on being smaller and still be stuck in teh mindframe taht folks are gonna come back tomorrow | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 5721 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
I read recently that 30 years ago, St. Louis was the 11th largest city in America. Now it's 32nd. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1315 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.213.173.94 |
Jjaba--Miami is only about $350,000 in the city, about as much as Pittburgh. It just has a sprawling metro. A lot of towns you wouldn't expect have big populations. It suprised me when I found out how big Toledo and Columbus are. A lot of famous cities have big metros and small core cities. emporis.com is good for doing this kind of research. | ||
Mpow Member Username: Mpow Post Number: 180 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 200.65.7.72 |
what are the rankings if you consider metro area pops? I think Detroit would be number 5. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7131 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
Eastside - Back when it happended I believe that the local media made a thing out of it. Doesn't make it true. I could be wrong but I have heard from 3-4 people that are in city government that there is no loss of funds. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1376 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
Toledo has always been fairly large, Mackinaw. Mind you, it has actually declined to its current population (300,000+). Columbus, on the other hand, has "grown" because it has had a very aggressive annexation policy since the 1970s (the "core city" population has actually declined since then!). I think Columbus is finally at the point where portions of collar counties (outside Franklin County) are actually within the Columbus city limits. Regardless...I think all of this is just a shell game. There isn't going to be some kind of trigger that gets activated when Detroit crosses the threshold of falling out of the Top 10. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 987 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
I also recently read that the Detroit Metro Area was the 6th largest tv market. I think that was mentioned in relation to the Tigers' home broadcasts. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 69.220.142.7 |
I believe Detroit is the #5 or #6 Metro in the U.S.(4.8 million) It's the #4 radio market because we drive so much. | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 83 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 71.126.176.158 |
It is very likely that Detroit is now 14th largest in population. Census figures are only official after the federally mandated ten year census. As of now, the estimates are that formerly big D (and I don't mean Dallas) has slipped further in the ranking. Detroit is the largest city without a rail mass transit system (the people mover being more of an amusement park ride) except for San Antonio. At this point the issues of federal and state funding based on size are, de facto, moot questions. The state is essentially broke; and the feds won't put money into a juurisdiction that they know will quander it. Remember,they didn't help DC until they had control from the then political crooks running that, the capital city. They won't fund poor government except their own. the river rat for smaller and better government | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 1379 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.100.158.10 |
River rat, you're funny. What money did the feds ever give to the District? LOL If I recall correctly, Congress imposed a Financial Control Board on the District--something they would never do to any other city. Fun fact: Did you know that Dick Cheney's daily commute costs DC taxpayers $2000 each day? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 1318 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 141.213.173.94 |
I don't believe we could be that low, river_rat. I think we'll bottom out in the next census at 840,000; after this I think the population should never violently decline again, and if something dynamic should happen, it could increase. We'll also see over the next census or two that the core/downtown population (south of 94, east of Trumbull, and west of St. Aubin) will increase sharply, perhaps double. This is a good start when it comes to stabilizing population. | ||
Kgrimmwsu Member Username: Kgrimmwsu Post Number: 85 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.180.0.161 |
Metro Detroit-Flint-Ann Arbor 5.5 million strong. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 187 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 141.217.46.39 |
another city on the rise...Charlotte - right now they are over 660K and still growing...faster than they know what to do with | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1796 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 72.25.177.194 |
With the lack of serious talk on both sides of the aisle re controlling the southern border, seems like we could solve several problems by giving illegals one-way tickets to Detroit - lots of free or cheap vacant buildings, plenty of room, and jobs "no one else will do" of some sort or another. That might get Detroit back into the top 10, Hispanics could become the #1 minority in Detroit (Michigan too) bringing the D in line with the rest of the country, and ya'll could elect Jose Kilpatrick as mayor. Arizona alone is "letting in" 100,000 per month that they can't seem to catch, we'll send'em your way. To get everyone in the mood, we'll download "Get Ready" by the Temptations onto their Ipods (yours too) What a great country! | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7139 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
Karl - What are these jobs that "no on else will do?" Detroit has no jobs and that is why the city is in the state that it is in. If nobody wants to do these jobs tell me why there is never a help wanted sign in a wondow of a fast food place. Go to wealthier areas and there are signs in numerous low paying store windows but not in Detroit. The issue is with the lack of available jobs not the availability of people to work them. Detroiters aren't lazy as that may suggest. Look no further than the number of Detroiters that spend hours to get to take the bus to and from their minimum wage jobs. The Detroiters are lazy stereotype may apply for some but definitely not the majority. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1798 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 72.25.177.194 |
Jt1, you make good points. However, our lawmakers are saying this as part of the justification to leave the borders wide open and flowing. Once here, they are free to go whereever they please and take the jobs they can. The idea of "building a fence" will take years and billions - Taken another way, if they are able to sustain themselves, the scenario I painted above could still happen in MI and the D. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 374 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
That some Detroiters failed to jump off a sinking ship years ago and still remain un- (or under-employed) in Detroit isn't very bright, either. That one thread for the metabus (or whatever it's called) came up with a bus fare to Chicago of $1, when I put in a request. So, when one chooses to remain mired in Detroit instead of emigrating from there, as immigrants did themselves decades ago (or even recently), might be considered either as laziness or stupidity to those living elsewhere. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1799 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 72.25.177.194 |
LY, I'm sure the computer thought you wanted passage to West Chicago........... 500,000 Hispanics fresh from AZ could really liven up the place, the order could be filled within 6 months. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 375 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
I still am impressed at a $1 bus fare from Detroit to Chicago. Is it possible that Chicagoans really want Detroiters? | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 188 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.78.228 |
$1 bus fare??? where | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3492 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
jjaba asks everybody to define DETROIT. jjaba knows that Detroit IS a specific place. G-d knows we don't need another definition of Ann Arbor, as a suburb, do we? The subject is Detroit's population. Period. There's a City Limits and a head count. jjaba, Gimme a BREAK! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 376 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
megabus.com Select April 15. Three different times for $1. $1 bus fare | ||
Detroits_own Member Username: Detroits_own Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 4.229.45.251 |
Detroit wont be number 14 it will be number 11. Indy nor Jacksonville is growing fast enough to catch Detroit and I believe San Fransisco is actually losing population. (Message edited by detroits_own on March 30, 2006) | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 374 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.35.85.184 |
As for the one million hurdle, there was Michigan law about special funding and other benefits for any Michigan cities with more than 1M population. When Detroit exceeded 1M in the 1990 census only through some creative counting, and it was evident that nothing would keep Detroit over 1M in 2000, I think several bills were passed amending the existing laws. I don't know the specifics. As for the impacy of moving to 11 or lower, there won;t any significant impact. I do think, however, it will reinforce a belief held by many in other areas of the US that Detroit is simply a dying city that isn't going to recover. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.147 |
It will mean the IQ of Detroit and wherever the people move to will drop. | ||
Illwill Member Username: Illwill Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.201.70.200 |
LY, Whether Chicago likes it or not, Chicago is flooded with Detroiters. And not just Whites but the Black Detroiter's are moving to Chicago in droves as well. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3494 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Illwill, is there a Tigers Backer Bar in the Windy City? We wanna drink our Strohs and eat Coneys. Actually, jjaba has read where Black Detroiters are moving to gilded Atlanta suburbs. The Big 3 auto makers have a huge role in the population of Detroit, plus the suppliers. jjaba. | ||
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.205.183 |
Miss_cleo, Detroit Metro, which is where you are leaving, is still a growing region albeit slowly. Other cities like Chicago are also shrinking in population, some of it attributed to shrinking household size while number of households increases. The biggest metros and the biggest cities are very different lists. Cleveland and Cincinnati used to be top 10 US cities, both have shrunk considerably but their metros remain bigger than Columbus which is a bigger city than both but smaller metro. In the last census the top 10 metros were: NYC LA Chicago SF Philly Boston Detroit Dallas Houston Atlanta These are all major cities in my book. The next few were Miami, Seattle, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Cleveland, San Diego, St. Louis, Denver, Tampa, Pittsburgh, and Portland, all above 2 million. If you throw in Windsor and part of northern Ohio around Toledo we leap ahead of Boston and Philly in the metro ranking, which of course doesn't include Canada as it was the US Census. | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 959 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.142.86.133 |
jjaba- Duffy's at 420 W Diversey in Lincoln Park. The place is absolutely packed with Michigan fans. In fact, the few times i've been there, I was probably one of the few NOT from Michigan. http://www.mcgeestavern.com/du ffys/index.shtml Turn off the lights on your way out. | ||
Jjw Member Username: Jjw Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.56.156 |
Largest Metrpolitan Areas Rank Metropolitan Area Name States 2000 Pop. 1 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania 21,199,865 2 Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County California 16,373,645 3 Chicago-Gary-Kenosha Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin 9,157,540 4 Washington-Baltimore District of Columbia, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia 7,608,070 5 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose California 7,039,362 6 Philadelphia-Wilmington-Atlant ic City Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland 6,188,463 7 Boston-Worcester-Lawrence Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut 5,819,100 8 Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint Michigan 5,456,428 9 Dallas-Fort Worth Texas 5,221,801 10 Houston-Galveston-Brazoria Texas 4,669,571 11 Atlanta Georgia 4,112,198 12 Miami-Fort Lauderdale Florida 3,876,380 13 Seattle-Tacoma-Bremerton Washington 3,554,760 14 Phoenix-Mesa Arizona 3,251,876 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul Minnesota, Wisconsin 2,968,806 according to us census | ||
Northend Member Username: Northend Post Number: 831 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 70.236.191.86 |
QUOTE---"""If you throw in Windsor and part of northern Ohio around Toledo we leap ahead of Boston and Philly in the metro ranking, which of course doesn't include Canada as it was the US Census.""" Yeah, let's count Ohio, Canada, all the fish in the great lakes and the guns at the bottom of the Detroit River and Detroit Metro is the size of Mexico City, finally back to our Motown days when two-tone shoes and feathered hats were ubiquitous!!! | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 1804 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Thank you, NE - LOLIAZ!!  | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 7143 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.20 |
8 Detroit-Ann Arbor-Flint Michigan 5,456,428 So does that mean AA is a suburb. Just kidding, we don't need to go down this path again. | ||
Illwill Member Username: Illwill Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.201.70.200 |
Jjaba, There is a Detroit themed bar owned by a former Grosse Pointer located on Schubert in Chicago but I forget the name. They serve Detroit Coney Islands and show all Michigan sports. It's usually pretty packed. There are several Michigan spots in Chicago but Duffy's has the chickies. | ||
Gumby Member Username: Gumby Post Number: 1033 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 204.39.225.90 |
Damn it Flint is not a suburb of Detroit. How dare the census suggest it...... blah blah blah. lol. Sorry I just thought I would throw in another angle at the debate of wht is and is not a suburb. | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 86 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 71.126.176.158 |
Danindc, The feds contribute about 25% of the DC budget and they did indeed establish a Financial Control Board to manage the city during a particularly inept period of financial management in the DC government. As an inside the beltway guy, you know how the feds provide money to municipalities and projects in them through the usual pork barrel methods. Detroit won't get any money in those usual ways because of the inept city government here and the politics of some of our locals. Example: John Conyers and his censure (and maybe even impeachment) talk about Bush. Whatever he believes, he sure isn't going to attract federal dollars to his area with this tactic. You know how it works; big federal $$$ go to friendly districts. the river rat the realpolitik | ||
Douglasm Member Username: Douglasm Post Number: 513 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.189.188.28 |
Curosity made me look..... According to Arbitron, Metro Detroit is the 9th largest radio market with a 12+ population of 3,900,000. It's between Washington D.C. and Atlanta. By comparison, Chicago is 3rd (7.7m), Philly is 6th (4.4m), Seattle/Tacoma is 14th (3.2m), Cleveland is 25th (1.8m) and Saginaw/Bay City/Midland is 130th (341,000). And for those who want to know, Casper, Wyo. is the smallest meastured market, #297, with 59,100 in the 12+. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3513 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Douglasm, Detroit is not between Washington, DC and Atlanta. Alteast not on jjaba's maps. Northend is really funny with counting Detroit River fish as population. But you did give jjaba a great idea. He's going to toss his pistol off the Winsome the next time The Rock takes him for a ride. (jjaba turning over a new leaf.) Thank you Jerome81 and Illwill for the tip on Duffy's in Chicago. jjaba loves to troll for hot Michigan babes and talk about the Tigers. jjaba, Westsider. | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 888 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
Here's the biggest question, with the economy tanked in Michigan, with no end in sight, and the next two metro areas under us, being in fast growing Texas, how long till we start falling below them due the huge amount of people leaving MI and Metro Detroit due to the simple fact they can not find a job. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3514 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
There was a time in recent history when they sold 10,000 Sunday Houston Chronicles a week in Dearborn, Michigan. People bought them for want ads and to learn the food and customs of their new home. Houston became Detroit-South. jjaba, tells it like it tis. | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 890 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
Wow Jjaba, little facts like that bring back thr quote from the 1980s in Michigan, will the last one out turn off the lights. When will Michigan finally turn the corner and have a healthy economy? | ||
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism Post Number: 454 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.209.155.143 |
Isn't it funny that at the end of the day, the more we drive and drive and drive our cars here in Michigan ..... the ultimate gain lies in the hands of the oil/energy companies in Texas(Houston and Dallas). I have a friend who works in the pipeline engineering sector in Houston - his remark to me last summer, "Can't wait until regular grade gas reach $3/gallon !" | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 65.29.97.102 |
It appears to be a common belief that Detroit's shrinking population, but could this be at the least part of its rebirth? Land values have reached bargain levels as the ghetto leaves for Hotlanta. | ||
Douglasm Member Username: Douglasm Post Number: 515 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.189.188.28 |
Jjw.... .....that's an awful large hunk of territory to lump into one glob. I have difficulty considering Detroit/Ann Arbor/Flint as a demographic unit in the same way I have a problem with Washington D.C./Baltimore, although I'm looking at a different set of numbers than you are. Arbitron shows Flint as the 125th market, Ann Arbor as 145. (Washington, D.C. is #9, Baltimore #21). Granted these are different numbers than the uncited ones you had, but a radio market is generally a decent indicator of the size of a metro area and its reach. | ||
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.205.183 |
The census bureau is also generally a decent indicator of metro size. ;) Personally, I enjoy driving around Detroit listening to Michigan Public Radio out of Ann Arbor, WDET out of Detroit, Toledo's NPR station, and Windsor's radio stations (especially when trying to brush up on my Quebecois). And people in all those other cities pick up Detroit radio stations too. But I guess that's not what really matters. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 190 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.78.228 |
back the real question asked.. how will falling from the top 10 affect Detroit? again, I say its in the mind...leadership of this city needs to know that we cant calim the big and gloriuos anymore...we might need to claim quaint and familial when we move forward...and decide wwaht to do with the land we aren't using as housing | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2420 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.58.14 |
Ya'll got it all wrong. We are: #1 The world's largest International Metropolis Don't let nationalistic myopia overlook this great marketing and image asset that goes completely ignore. As for the 'top ten', that is more a result of our base ten bias, as that it basis of our math system, than of any social significance. If we are in or out if it matters little. Karl, we are getting our share of Mexican-Americans as witnessed by the growth of census tracts in SW Detroit, and their revival of the once moribund Vernor highway. The job situation may not be that good right now but, from their viewpoint, there are no gangs, you can own your own home and La 'Migra is not as agressive here. Bring 'em on. Like the current Arabic influx, they are hard working people who are doing much to energize our region. | ||
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.40.205.183 |
Mrsjdaniels, we're already out of the top 10... what effects have you noticed? Detroit could stay the same population for the next 10 years while other cities grow thereby falling in ranking without changing in absolute size. What would change in the insular world of Detroit then? However, the problem is that the city has lost so much of its population. The next problem is that the city hasn't made enough appropriate adjustments to that change. As for future land use of vacant ex-residential land, I would advocate for creating Hamtramck-like or better (like fully mixed-use) dense neighborhoods with retail on more streets. The Trumbull/North Corktown area northwest of the CBD comes to mind for densification rather than the old pattern and current zoning. I think there are problems with trying to preserve low density development in the inner city. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 3892 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229 |
Right now Detroit now stands at 887,000 people. San Jose, CA has a booming population of 920,000 people. If the city cannot deliver a manfacturing job source go some place else. | ||
El_rey_de_la_ciudad Member Username: El_rey_de_la_ciudad Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
I know this topic is a bit old but I believe that if the detroit gets a correct count of the hispanic population, detroit's total population will be a lot higher than expected. mi creencia lol |
