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Sharmaal
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That is the latest word from some folks that have their finger on the pulse. Can anyone verify or dismiss this? Then again, it could be a Planet Hollywood, or a Cheescake Factory, or a Morton's...
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Danny
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Rumor fugit!!
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Spidergirl
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I heard the PF Chang's rumor too...
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Bussey
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So is EY the new way to describe One Kennedy Square, aka Ernst & Young?


y2k, dvd, std, and an suv


I hate acronyms
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Merchantgander
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Think we should start a letter writing campaign to get PF Chang's to move into the building.
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Tetsua
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When will the "EY" building be complete, and when do the workers start moving in?
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Matt
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The EY gets a PF, CF, and an AF? :P
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Gravitymachine
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quote:

I hate acronyms




i do to. here at work people talk in complete sentences using nothinb but sometimes!

p.f. changs is overrated, though it would be a good sign of progress for the CBD
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Machoken
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Nice use of latin, Danny. You know that homosexuality was very common and widely accepted in ancient Rome, right?
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Cjdb16
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Yes,I agree it is a bit overratted, no place is worth a two hour wait... BUT I still sometimes drive out to Somerset and deal with the wait just to eat that wonderful spicy chicken eggplant. Please please please let it be true, I am so hungry.
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Fjw718
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in NYC we refer to the Ernst and Young Building (AKA 4 Times Square) as the E&Y building as well.
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Sharmaal
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Fjw718 - Welcome to the forum.
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Oldredfordette
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It's texting, ruining the English language one vowel at a time.
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Fjw718
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thanks!
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Shark
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It'd be nice to see that downtown, a big draw for sure.
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Swingline
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The E&Y building is a much better name. Kennedy Square is gone, vanished. So how can there be a "One Kennedy Square?" Very stupid name.

PF Chang's restaurants are only found in very high traffic or pedestrian locations, safe locations, if you will, from a food/retail perspective. It seems very unlikely that the E&Y space satisfies their requirements. If it does, that would indicate some very significant progress for the CBD.
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Spidergirl
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Fjw - isn't E&Y the only tennant in the NYC building (is this one of the properties actually owned and not leased)?

The Kennedy Square building is not owned by E&Y and is leased by others as well. E&Y is considered the premier tenant because the lease is for the top 2 floors, which I guess is why the logo is on the building...
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Bobj
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No way that PFC will go to E & Y in the CBD.

I vote for a Hooters in the E & Y!
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Naturalsister
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Sorry to break it to you Swingline, but you are exactly wrong about the names. It's dumb to put the word 'building' behind everything.

We know they are buildings, quite redundant in my book. 'One Kennedey Square' is fine, and so would be 'Ernst & Young'. Notice how we say 'Compuware' vs 'The Compuware Building'. Makes much more sense.

I hate the excessive use of acronyms as well.

naturalsister
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Jjaba
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Nobody calls Ren-Cen the GM bldg., maybe except GM.
We all call the old GM, the GM Bldg. Crazy, eh.

I'm with Bussey on this one.

jjaba, LOL, ROTFLMJAO.
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Dan
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I for one think the "EY" building should retain its name "One Kennedy Square" since that name has special historical significance which we should be proud of.
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Jsmyers
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Unfortunately, I'm not very good with Chinese. I saw the thread about Fu Wah closing, then I saw this thread, and I speculated that it must have moved.

What a dumbass...

BTW - I always thought that a BD's Mongolian BBQ might be good in that building. Haven't been into one of those places for years...
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Jsmyers
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Anybody want to start a new business?

http://www.bdsmongolianbarbequ e.com/frsitecriteria.html

http://www.bdsmongolianbarbequ e.com/FranchiseApplication.pdf

It seems to me that the number of visitors (both local for events, and from out of town) as well as site visibility would mitigate for not quite making the residential targets. That and the much higher daytime population.
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Jsmyers
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BTW - PF's is completely corporate, but they take requests!

http://www.pfchangs.com/concep t/faq.jsp
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Rberlin
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Ah PF Changs, my stomach cramps just hearing the name.
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Michigansheik
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I've heard a deal is close.

anyone know more about the gourmet grocer in merhcants row? is that dead?
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E_hemingway
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Where was that supposed to go in Merchants row? I thought it was planned for the two storefronts at the corner of state and Woodward, kitty corner from the back of Compuware. Someone was been doing a lot of work in those storefronts. It's a space that looks like it's big enough for that type of grocer to start at.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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Also, a gourmet grocer is looking to move into the Kales Building....its really a good sign that now 3 of these stores are looking into detroit...it establishes that there now is a residential base downtown
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Slows
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Motorcity, the Kales and the Merchants grocer is the same person.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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ohh... do u know which one it is going to be now?
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Bostedguy
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It's not Cheesecake Factory. After dining at one in Schaumburh, IL last summer, I actually contacted their headquarters about locating restaurants in MI. I was told there were no plans to do so, but after getting my letter, they would take a look at MI. I don't know if they were just appeasing me, or what. But it's not a CF downtown.
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Leoqueen
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I am distressed. I heard a rumor that Trader Joe's was considering opening a branch in the old Lafayette Park Market space, but decided not to because demographics showed that there was not enough clientele to support it.

???????????

What??

What about all of the current and future up-scale
subdivisions between Corktown and the Grosse Pointes.... aren't they enough?

I myself would be there EVERY day

BTW I didnt know what E&Y meant at first

felt stoopid
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Adamjab19
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I thought that Trader Joe's rumour was discussed quite awhile ago when they were redoing that sttrip of retail? Can't remember wehn but it seems familiar.
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Slows
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Motorcity, haven't heard much lately. As of a month ago they were trying to raise additional equity. I hope things are still progressing as the business plan was very strong and they seemed really determined to open in Detroit.
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Leoqueen
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Thanks, Adamjab19. I will check the forum posts archive. I just heard this rumor about Trader Joes yesterday....
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Detroiternthemist
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I think the national chains will be reactive and not proactive. Probably a few years away. Until then we'll have to depend on folks like the Southern Hospitality group and others to provide us with fine dining. I'm more impressed with their services.....they seem to try a lot harder.
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PF Changs will be a nice addition to the City. Many suburbanites and most out of town guests need familiar places to dine..at least the first time they come down. Eventually they will venture out to the local restaurants once comfortable with the surroundings.
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Slows wasn't the name of that possible grocery store something like "Vito and Smitty's". I used to have a link to the website saved but now I can't find it.
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Dialh4hipster
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Hey everyone, I don't mean to be a downer debbie, but when you look at the population density of the areas where a Whole Foods or Trader Joe's goes, and compare it with the density of any area of Detroit, we tend to come up lacking.

Sure, to US it seems like the population is bustling, but in reality we need about 10x as many people in these areas to justify the type of grocery retail (or other restaurant/retail) most people want.
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Detroitduo
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What a buzzkill!

Thanks Debbie!
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http://www.vitoandsmittys.com/
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Cmubryan
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Is there really that much less in density around Lafayette Park compared to 14 Mile and Northwestern Hwy?!
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Swingline
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Come on people, get a little realistic. Trader Joe's and Whole Foods etc. need the right kind of demographics in addition to density, or rooftops as they say. Right or wrong, these retailers rely heavily on demographic research. For upscale grocers, think households with $75K income and up. Unless an area has enough of this demographic, these kinds of retailers stay away. This demographic is too thin anywhere in Detroit including the CBD.
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I would unfortunately agree with Swingline
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Everyman
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Trader Joe's is hardly an 'upscale' grocer. The prices there are super-low.

When I was an undergrad in crime-ridden Ann Arbor, I shopped there over Kroger's.

EDIT: It reminds me of a dollar store of grocery stores.

(Message edited by Everyman on April 04, 2006)
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Detroitduo
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Trader Joes in Ann Arbor? huh? did I miss something or did one suddenly show up there in the last 8 years? I thought the only Trader Joes in SE Michigan was on Woodward?
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E_hemingway
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The Trader Joes in Ann Arbor is at the intersection of Washtenaw and Stadium on the city's east side.
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Crew
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Detduo, There are several in SE Michigan now. Royal Oak, Farmington Hills, A2, Rochester and Northville.
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huh! when'd that happen? having moved from AA 10 years ago, I'm a bit outta the loop. Actually, left AA and never looked back....

So, this is supposed to be about the PFC in the E&Y. I think it's a bogus rumour... just like I heard there was going to be a Mercedes dealership going into that building....
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Detroitkev
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Yeah a Mercedes dealership makes about as much sense as an Avis rental car place in Merchants Row. Wait, there is...
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Mrjoshua
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Here's PF Chang's response to my inquiry:

Thank you for your note. We do not have a secured site in your area at this time. However, we are always looking for wonderful locations and appreciate all feedback and recommendations from our guests. I will be happy to forward your inquiry to our real estate team for review. Please visit our website at www.pfchangs.com for our upcoming restaurant openings.

Have a wonderful day!

Tiffany Hamby
P.F. Chang's China Bistro
Guest Relations

I wonder what 'secured site' means? That they have no current plans or the location decision has not been finalized?
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Focusonthed
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It means they have nothing finalized, nothing more nothing less.
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Unless of course, your Jack Bauer...

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