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Bvos
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WOW,

Just off the Friends of the Book Cadillac ticker:

The Book Cadillac AND the Fort Shelby secured their financing for renovation. We've heard rumors about the BC for a while, but the Fort Shelby thing virtually came out of no where.

I think KK has taken a big step forward towards respectability in the preservation world. Now on to Tiger Stadium.

P.S. Now we know why Skuler hasn't been seen around here lately. He's been burning the midnight oil to make this thing happen.



For Release: April 3, 2006

Media Contact: Sylvia Crawford, 313-224-1398
Jamaine Dickens, 313-224-1066

DETROIT CLEARS WAY FOR DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION
WITH $40 MILLION HUD LOAN GUARANTEE

DETROIT-Today, Mayor Kwame M. Kilpatrick and U.S. Congresswoman
Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick announced that the U.S. Department of
Housing and Urban Development (HUD) has approved the City of Detroit's
application to transform a small portion of Community Development
Block Grant (CDBG) funds into federally guaranteed loans, clearing the
way to redevelop two vacant downtown hotels into thriving,
multi-faceted businesses that will provide jobs for Detroit residents.

HUD granted Detroit two Section 108 loan guarantees in the amounts of
$18 million and $18.7 million respectively to redevelop the 33-floor
historic Book Cadillac Hotel and the 22-story historic Fort Shelby
Hotel into mixed-use developments that will create a combined total of
nearly 900 jobs for Detroiters.

"I am pleased to learn that HUD has approved our application to
utilize current and future CDBG allocations to these redevelopment
projects," said Mayor Kilpatrick. "Not only are they instrumental to
continuing the revitalization of our downtown, but also to our efforts
to improve the local economy through the creation of jobs for Detroit
residents."

"This is a direct result of the confidence that HUD has in Mayor
Kilpatrick and in the efforts of business and community leaders to
revitalize Detroit," said Congresswoman Kilpatrick. "Despite the
economic struggles that are affecting cities throughout the country,
Detroit is continuing to build relationships and secure support from
developers and agencies such as HUD. This ensures that we can continue
to pursue our goals to improve our city and quality of life for its
residents."

The Ferchill Group, developer for the Book-Cadillac, plans to
redevelop the site into a four star Westin Hotel with approximately
455 hotel rooms, 67 market rate condominium housing units, a 31,000
square foot conference center, 119,000 square foot retail and
restaurant space, fitness facility and a 550 space parking garage. The
project is expected to create as many as 450 full-time jobs.

According to MCP, LLC, developer for the Fort Shelby, the existing
structure will be redeveloped into a 204-room Doubletree Guest Suites
Hotel, 38,000 square foot conference center, 1,200 square foot retail
space and 63 residential units. This project is expected to create 374
full-time jobs.

Editor's Note: Section 108 funds will be used solely to assist with
the hotel component of the projects.
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Tetsua
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https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/69756.html?1144108772
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56packman
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Posted on Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 10:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

fix that Schitt up!
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Rasputin
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quote:

Jackson said redevelopment of the Book-Cadillac, which closed in 1984 after a 60-year run, could begin in June if the city receives more tax credits for the project in the next month.


Operative sentence of article and Operative words in BOLD. "If I could ...."

Black-atcha .... roflmbao and saying, "TEAR THAT SCHITT DOWN!". It's a waste of money.
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Andylinn
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(my first post, btw) Rasputin: true, such a development is maybe not cost efficient (or a waste of money as you said) HOWEVER... it is VITALLY important that Detroit shed the "if it's abandoned tear is down" mentality... of course in some cases, things must be bulldozed to make way for development... but cases such as the motown headquarteres being razed for a parking lot sicken me... what was that historic restaurant on jefferson near harbor town that was bulldozed to make way for a frikking ihop? crazy... we're losing the character and history that make cities so special (and superior to the modern mcmansion suburbs) .andy.

(Message edited by andylinn on April 15, 2006)
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Andylinn
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bump.
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Mpow
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Instead of giving all these abandoned buildings hugs, I propose giving them all to rasputin.
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Rustic
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Andylinn, apparently now it's spelled " bumb" not "bump" ... as in "Can I 'bumb' 149M$ offa ya to rehab the shell of a once swanky downtown Detroit hotel?" ...

... until someone gets a "yes" to that question you can bump these threads all day long but yer not gonna hear much ...
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Fnemecek
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It's worth pointing out that one of the contractors on the Book-Cadillac project has posted a job opening for the position of general superintendent.

http://www.careerbuilder.com/J obSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx? IPath=JRKG&job_did=J3I81K5ZWZL Y92SX8XN&dv=dv&jrdid=&lpage=1& strcrit=QID%3dA6653204260493%3 bst%3dA%3buse%3dALL%3brawWords %3dbook-cadillac%3bTID%3d14428 2%3bCTY%3dDETROIT%3bSID%3dMI%3 bCID%3dUS%3bENR%3dYES%3bDTP%3d DR3%3bYDI%3dYES%3bIND%3dALL%3b PDQ%3dAll%3bJN%3dAll%3bPAYL%3d 0%3bPAYH%3dgt120%3bPOY%3dNO%3b ETD%3dJTFT%3bETD%3dJTPT%3bETD% 3dJTCT%3bETD%3dJTIN%3bRE%3dALL %3bMGT%3dDC%3bSUP%3dDC%3bFRE%3 d30%3bCHL%3dAL%3bQS%3dSID_GAFE P003%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL%3d0%3bJQ T%3dRAD&sfascc=book-cadillac&C iBookMark=1&jobcount=1&sname=& lr=cbga_fep
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Itsjeff
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I'm curious about the math.

Each project is getting about $18 million in HUD loans.

The Book is a $200 million project, whereas the Fort Shelby is closer to $40 million. So the Book only needs a loan of roughly 10% to make it work, but the Fort needs 50%.

When you add other tax credits and abatements, it looks like the Fort Shelby is getting less than half of its dollars from private investment, whereas the Book is getting closer to 80%.

If the Fort can only be done with by obtaining half of its funding from federal loans, then, sadly, we might be able to apply Rasputin's assessment of the Book project to the Fort Shelby.
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Nellonfury
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Let's bring out the crazy glue and start fixing!!!!
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Kenp
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I believe the Hud loans are for the condo portion of the buildings. The Book will have 660 and the Shelby 600. Each probably around $300,000 each. I dont know this for sure but assume HUD money is for thye housing portion
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Kenp
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whoops its 66 condos for The book and 60 for Fort Shelby, sorry.
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Sknutson
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quote:

The lower 23 floors being are being converted to a hotel.




Converted from a hotel to a hotel?
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Fnemecek
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Sknutson:
Converted for a 1920s grade hotel to a modern one.

In the 1920s, people spent very little time in their hotel rooms; opting for the lobbies and parlors instead. As a result, the rooms themselves tended to be very small.

In the current hotel market, rooms have to be considerably larger if anyone is going to rent them for a stay.
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Sknutson
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Fnemecek: I know that's what they are doing, I just thought it was a bizarre choice of words. If I were to gut an old house and turn the interior into into a modern configuration, I would not tend to say that I was "converting it into a house."

It's Monday and I feel like being nit-picky :-)

(Message edited by sknutson on April 17, 2006)
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Fnemecek
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Itjeff:
I don't know about the Fort Shelby deal. However, from what I know about HUD loans in general, I imagine the reason why the Fort Shelby is requiring a larger portion of its funding from government sources is that a larger share of its units will be held for low-income residents.

IIRC, HUD normally requires that the project be mixed-income in nature (i.e., a portion reserved for low-income folks and the rest at market rate). Normally, for a condominium they would have to all be under the same roof, but if they bundled the B-C and Fort Shelby together they could have theoretically structured in such a way that the Fort Shelby has a larger share of low-income folks in order to accomidate for there being little if any at the B-C.

This isn't the way the deals are normally structured. However, with enough political muscle behind them, it could be done.

BTW - speaking of political muscle, did you notice that the name of a ranking member of the House Appropriations Committee is on the press release?

Again, all of this is speculation on my part. I have not seen any financing documents nor have I spoken with anyone who has. I could be wrong on this entirely.

For those lurkers who do know the details, you either already have my contact info or could find it in about 5 seconds. Please feel free to tell me that I'm wrong.
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Fnemecek
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Sknutson:
Understood. I thought the way they phrased it was odd as well. But I'm so geeked at the mere fact of the B-C reopening that I didn't feel like making an issue of it. LOL
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56packman
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Rasputin, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, go by any NEW construction in the D. Look at the makeup of the skilled workmen erecting steel, plumbing, installing electrical. You will see mostly caucasions, who drive their shiny F-250's from the far reaches of the metro for these good paying jobs. Go by any renovation of an exsisting building (tough to do in the D,too much money to be made "tearing that schitt down", an established old=bad, new=good attitude from our vanishing principal industry here) and you will see lots of brothers removing debris, helping skilled tradesman, and maybe, just maybe learning a trade.
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Kenp
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After a little research, which I should have done before I said the funds where for the condo portion of the building, I re read the original email on this. The last two lines read:
Editor's Note: Section 108 funds will be used solely to assist with
the hotel component of the projects.

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