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Cris
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I'm watching CNN and I just heard them report the multiple murders in rural Ontario as being "northeast of Detroit." They gotta link Detroit to murder just as often as they possibly can, don't they?
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Rberlin
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I don't think it's so much a slam against Detroit, but to help the average American who watches cable news when they think, "what's an Ontario?"
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Cris
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Yeah, could be... I guess living in Michigan we take it for granted that people would know where Ontario is...
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Ltorivia485
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Still, they should have said "outside London, Ontario." Jeez, they make it seem like Detroit breeds crime around the region, even in Canada.
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Ray
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This is an interesting illustration of Erikd's post today on media coverage.

What really ticks me off is when CNN reports coverage from Iraq as a "a war-torn country located south and east of Detroit." This is going too far.
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Atl_runner
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They really should have used Toronto as the point of reference on this. That is just stupid that they used Detroit.
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Treelock
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They should have said, "northeast of Shelby Township."
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220hendrie1910
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Do you think the city fathers of Ontario, CA, have anything to do with CNN's reluctance to use the name in crime reports, even when it's the province, not the city?

Name recognition is all in the public media...

Bemused in Ottawa (Ontario, not Ohio).
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The_rock
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At least they didn't say "step off AIW's front porch and turn right".
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The_aram
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quote:

Still, they should have said "outside London, Ontario." Jeez, they make it seem like Detroit breeds crime around the region, even in Canada.




And let's count on one hand the number of Americans outside of the Great Lakes region who could point out London, Ontario on a map.

Another instance of Detroiters with thin skins freaking out over a non-issue.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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for once, I agree with the_aram :-)
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Douglasm
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The Aram is correct in his assumption. CNN is a U.S. national network based in Atlanta. I live in Washington state, and I would hazard a guess that most people in my neck of the woods would have no idea where London, Ontario is. It's easier for the unknowing if you use a large U.S. city as an identifier.

Let's try it this way. Can you tell me where Abbotsford, British Columbia is based on the name alone?
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Upinottawa
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Do Americans not know where Toronto is? I think most do.

Douglasm? Should a murder in Paris be described as a murder "east of New York city"? Or a murder in Tokyo a murder "west of L.A."? (yes, I am using hyperbole)....

In this case, CNN should have used Toronto rather than Detroit -- or should have said the murders took place between Toronto and Detroit.

Now if the murders occured in Windsor, then Detroit would be more appropriate point of reference than Toronto.
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Douglasm
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Upinottawa.....
.....your point is well taken. Sedden is somewhere in the London-St. Thomas area, and although I still hold that Detroit is a good identifier for most of the unknowing, "between Toronto and Detroit" probably would have been better.

Although it might be too close to Vancouver, it would be interesting to find an AP story and see where they placed Robert Pickton's pig farm in Port Coquitlam. Pickton's up for 27 counts of murder.....
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Crazy_pete
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Maybe they said that because a lot of people in the US who don't live in Michigan or NY wouldn't even know where Ontario is if they don't mention it in relation to a US landmark.
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Crazy_pete
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BTW, the murder took place in Shedden Ont. which I'm pretty sure is closer to Detroit than it is to Toronto.
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Thecarl
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i agree that the reporting makes it sound like detroit influences crime in a wide swath. for those that don't know where toronto is, they should at least recognize that it's in canada. and hey, what if the reporters couldn't find any quickly identifiable point of reference - would they have squashed the story? i think it's sensational enough to stand on its own - unless our failed geography students need also to have explained that "homocide" means "murder."
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Ray1936
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Abbotsford, British Columbia, is located northwest of Detroit, of course.
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Cris
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Now that I think of it, since Detroit IS the center of the universe, it makes sense that EVERYTHING be reported in relation to Detroit!

"President Bush today spoke from the Oval Office, southeast of Detroit, and said (something stupid)"
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Ray1936
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Absolutely, Cris.

"The Cassini spacecraft is successfully orbiting Saturn, currently at a distance of 867 million miles from Detroit."

Makes sense to me.
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Ptero
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AP story online at detnews.com: This seems connected with Toronto after all, though the story contains the line: "The farm in Shedden, Ontario, is about 90 miles northeast of Detroit."

Looks like they were Bandidos from the Toronto area. This is not in the story, but there is a long history of Bandidos and Hell's Angels killing each other over turf issues from Toronto to Quebec.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s tories/C/CANADA_BODIES_FOUND?S ITE=MIDTN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLAT E=DEFAULT
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Lowell
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Great! We take their trash, now we we get pinned for their murders! :-)

Hey, maybe that is idea our new post-automotive industry economy - for a price we will take your blame.

Want to keep your crime stats low? We'll say it all happened here. Your school district in Utah swindled? We planned it. The war in Iraq? We misled the president. Katrina, we sabotaged the dykes. We are the blame and your invoice is in the mail.
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The_aram
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Who said it happened in Detroit?

It never ceases to surprise me just how ridiculously thin-skinned the sheople up in here can be.

ReadingComprehensionNO! ChipOnTheShoulderYES!
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Genesyxx
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That's a definate slam. Who gets US mixed up with Canada? People aren't that stupid.
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Warriorfan
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Yes, I'm sure CNN has a secret agenda to bash Detroit, you guys figured it out. Congrats! I'm sure it was in no way meant to generalize the location of the murders in relation to an American city that most Americans know the location of (Detroit) as compared to a Canadian city that most Americans wouldn't be able to point out on a map. Would you guys be just as upset if a news story used Buffalo, NY as a point of reference because I've read news stories that do just that when referencing locations in Canada.
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Upinottawa
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I am not sure how the original story read, but below is the current CNN link. The AP story comes from Toronto, and Shedden is described as being 90 miles northeast of Detroit.

From this article a reasonable reader would not make a connection that the murders occurred in or around Detroit. I know that Detroit has some sprawling suburbs, but 90 miles....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/ americas/04/09/canada.bodies.a p/index.html
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Cris
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When I posted about it yesterday, it had just run as a "teaser" on CNN. They were giving several brief descriptions of news stories "coming up" and they described this as a "grisly" mass murder scene northeast of Detroit. They didn't mention until later, in the actual news story, where the exact location was. It caught my attention because I'd seen the story earlier on the internet, and knew when they gave the teaser that it was really quite far from Detroit... and not even in the same country.

My husband had the same reaction that I did.
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Southwestmap
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But, did you notice how all the local news stations led with this story? Doesn't it seem that they consider this a pretty local story?
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Naturalsister
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My skin is not thin,

As was mentioned above, everybody would have understood the proximity if it was stated that these
murders happened (blah, blah, blah) of Toronto.

later - naturalsister
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Upinottawa
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5 Charged in Ontario Murders

With 5 people charged only a couple days after the killings, maybe Detroit should not be the logical reference point after all (the DPD could pick up a few tips from the OPP)....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com /servlet/story/RTGAM.20060410. wpolic0410/BNStory/National/ho me
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Erikto
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Wow, killing people on the weekend and caught by the end of the following work day. The OPP must be thrilled. What's the opposite of 'organized crime'? In Montreal in the 80's cops used to joke that when fishing in the St Lawrence River, your catch was limited to 3 Hells Angels...
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Mj64
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I spent a bunch of years in the news biz, and I don't think this is a slam against Detroit at all. If you're going to tell a nationwide (and then some) audience where something happened, you're going to use the nearest major city -- which is Detroit in this case. It gives people an instant point of reference. If I'm working for a U-S network, I am especially going to use a U-S city as my point of reference if it makes sense to.

It's pretty easy for us to picture where Toronto is, but I would bet that there are a lot of Americans -- especially away from this region -- who might know Toronto is in Ontario, but have no clue where it is exactly.
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Goat
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Buffalo is closer...:-)
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Cris
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But Buffalo isn't nearly as hip and cool.
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Goat
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How about Cleveland then? Sure there's a lake but since many americans don't know schitt about geography it shouldn't make a difference. : P
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Jt1
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I see Aram is still contributing so much to this forum.
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The_aram
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Just telling it like it is. This is a non-story. That is, until the people who find any use of the name Detroit without glowing adjectives and stories of miracles performed daily on the street show up to take offense that someone would have the audacity to reference the city in less-than-ideal circumstances.
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Jt1
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So I ask - if that is typical why do you feel the need to point it out?

I agree it is a non-issue but if that is the case wouldn't it be better to just ignore the thread than chime in with something even less constructive than the thread itself?
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Jiminnm
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The story (paragraph) in the Albuquerque Journal reported the town as being 90 miles northeast of Detroit. It seemed to me like simply a location reference for those who are geographically impaired.
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Upinottawa
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In the Canadian press, Shedden, ON is being described as "in southwest Ontario", "near London, Ontario", and "30 kilometers southwest of London, Ontario". No reference to Detroit.

Of course, some Canadian may wonder where London, Ontario is. For the record London is about half way between Toronto and Windsor/Detroit. All crime that occurs in London is linked to the Detroit area. :-)
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Erikto
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Shedden will be our murder capital this year.
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I don't believe anyone in the media deliberately set out to bash Detroit in any way. But to reference only Detroit rather than Toronto, when London is halfway between both cities, is exasperating to me. I know the press is just trying to orient people to the location - but it still links Detroit to another negative, violent, and tragic event.
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Detroit dealers invade West Virginia town

The 'Hillbilly Highway' from Motor City now carries crack and crime, not jobs
Sunday, March 19, 2006

By Milan Simonich, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

HUNTINGTON, W.Va. -- They still talk about "the Hillbilly Highway," a route that led from poverty in Appalachia to jobs in the auto plants of Detroit.

Connections between Detroit and rural America remain strong, but nobody romanticizes about them anymore. Detroit doesn't export cars the way it used to. Instead, say police across the region, it turns out drug dealers who travel hundreds of miles to enrich themselves in smaller towns.

In Huntington, detectives keep a running list of the Detroit crack dealers they have arrested. It contains more than 250 names but accounts for only a portion of those who have infiltrated the city of 50,000 in the past three years.

"Those are just the adults that we've caught. There are more. Lots more," said narcotics Detective Paul Hunter.

Law officers in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia all have stories about the Detroit drug pipeline, but no town has been hit harder than Huntington.

It was here that gunmen killed four teenagers one day last year, leaving their bodies scattered on a sidewalk, a driveway and the front yard of a house. Huntington police have not arrested anybody in the case, but they have a theory.

"We believe, obviously, that there's a Detroit connection. We haven't seen anything to change our minds," Capt. Steve Hall said last week.

These days, just about every drug arrest in Huntington produces suspects from Detroit. The quadruple homicide is a variation of that pattern, Capt. Hall says.

Detectives believe the shooters targeted Donte Ward, 19, because he supposedly stole from a woman connected to Detroit drug dealers. The triggermen, determined not to leave any witnesses, also killed the three people who happened to be with Mr. Ward.

Two of them, Michael Dillon, 17, and Megan Poston, 16, had gone together to their high school prom that night.

"I can still see the corsage falling off Megan's wrist," Capt. Hall said. "That will stick with me forever."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg /06078/672908.stm

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