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Danny
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The City Council of Harper Woods wants a vote to change the city's name to GROSSE POINTE HEIGHTS. This new name can interact with the other 5 Grosse Pointes. Do you think this new name will change the city's image?
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Steelworker
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If its true, its too late. If it wanted to cash in on the name it should have done it many many years ago.
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Machoken
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That is SO Harper Woods.
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Bvos
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I believe a name change for Harper Woods will greatly upgrade the city's image, just as it has for Eastpointe.
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Danny
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I do remember when the folks in EAST DETROIT wanted to change their city's name to EASTPOINTE. For they don't their city's name to sound like DETROIT. If GROSSE POINTE HEIGHTS is named officially. It would called it "Snobbyville Heights".
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Genesyxx
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So if this goes through, then there will be a six-point city?
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Danny
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What other cities in the suburbs that would a name change.

SOUTHFIELD to SOULFIELD

DEARBORN to NEW MECCA

INKSTER to WESTLAND WOODS

WARREN to STERLING POINTE

HIGHLAND PARK to DETROIT HEIGHTS

RIVER ROUGE to DEL-RAY ESTATES

ECORSE to EAST LINCOLN PARK

DEARBORN HEIGHTS to CRESTWOOD

FENDALE to GAYDALE

ROYAL OAK to HOMOPOLIS
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Danny
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I wonder Detroit would think about would change its street sign from Five Points to Six Points.

(Message edited by danny on April 10, 2006)
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1953
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Why doesn't Detroit change its name to south Eastpointe or Grosse Pointe Valley?
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Hysteria
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I always thought if there was another GP it should be called Grosse Pointe Manor. Harper Woods is not Grosse Pointe. As Machoken and the GP'ers say: "That is so Harper Woods".
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Lowell
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The obvious solution is for Detroit to change its name to POINTE. Then all those cities will sound soooo sububurban.

Danny check your meds; something must have been mixed up today.
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Danny
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Lowell

I don't take any meds. My comments is good as the language of the Street Prophets.
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Gildas
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How about Grosse Pointe Lite?
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The_rock
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danny--- we actually have another Grosse Pointe out here to add to the mix---Grosse Pointe Township, a portion of Groose Pointe Shores ( which,itself, is a village, not a city). We have more GPs than we know what to do with.
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Miss_cleo
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Detroit to Detrash
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Hamtramck_steve
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It would be easier and quicker to just dissolve the Harper Woods school district and put all of the city into GP schools. There's already a big jump in housing value between HW schools and GP schools, and the city wouldn't have to change their letterhead.
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Mackinaw
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I would be appalled. GP Woods is enough of a rip off as it is...it does not even touch any water. HW would just be laughed at, not because its a bad place to live, but because they are acknowledging that they are searching for a different identity just for marketing, even if that means blantantly ripping off another name. Putting the 'Pointe' in East Detroit did not seem to help too much.

Grosse Pointe means big point, and it denotes the shape of the land as the lakeshore curves from Windmill Pointe over to the beginning of Lakeshore Dr. in GP Farms.
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Chitaku
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Uh oh snobby Grosse Pointers aren't going to let dirty Harper Woods into their bubble. Should just annex Harper Woods to Detroit.
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Chitaku
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Is this real?
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Chitaku
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I just read it in the news, doesen't sound like it's going to happen. Sorry Danny
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Swingline
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Yes indeed, apparently some folks think that Harper Woods has an "image" problem. I'm pretty sure though that I see a big elephant in the room. Folks in the Freep article didn't say so for the record, but there's a real good chance they would confirm off the record that any problem Harper Woods is having is really a school district problem.

And what is the problem? It's the same problem that is occurring in at least a half dozen other inner ring suburbs. The problem is the inexorable approach of the dreaded (for the white residents anyway) tipping point in the racial makeup of the district students. And there is no mystery as to the subsequent drill. Once the tipping point is reached, new white homeowners no longer look to buy homes in the school district. Once it is perceived that only black families are looking to buy homes in the district, full blown white flight commences. Within 6-8 years, the school district finds itself with 90% minority students and the population becomes at least 75% minority.

This is what concerns the Harper Woods leaders and citizens who are exploring the name change. What's going on here and in other inner ring suburbs confirms the indictment leveled most recently by Jonathan Kozol in his "Shame of the Nation" book that examined school re-segregation in America. Most, certainly not all, Americans have few problems anymore with residential diversity. It's the diversity in the schools that send most white folks packing.
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Robtruth
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I remember dealing with the school district in East Detroit around the time period that the city changed to Eastpointe. The district thought it was stupid. Most of the staff told me it was a bash Detroit thing. They mentioned how much it would cost to change the buses, signs, letterhead, etc. Just like the lady in the article stated.

The school district remains East Detroit. That should tell anybody the fallacy of changing the name.

Some people hate everything Black but love getting a sun tan.
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Rustic
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Can't the GP's enforce some sorta trademark thing ... the rock, ya should check into this, yer brand QA is eroding with all of these lower quality name-a-likes.

These suburbs should be more like Detroit where neighborhood designations are as unchanging as the stars in the nightsky. lol!
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Xphillipjrx
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Next up, Southfield is going to change their name back to South Bloomfield.
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Dougw
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Here's the Free Press article: http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20060410/NEWS02/ 604100338
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Hornwrecker
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I think the original name was Gratiot Township.

Maybe Grosse Pointe Depths would be more appropriate.
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Chitaku
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I think white flight already happened in Harper Woods. All 50 of my family members from there moved out while I moved in.
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Jams
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Ummmmm, Chitaku............do you still get invited for holiday dinners with your family?:-)
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Chitaku
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Yeah but I have to drive all the way out to Clarkston or Clinton Twp
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Jams
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Just teasing.
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Steelworker
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My father lived in eastpointe for 20 years, Including the year when they changed the name. He told me after they changed the name his property values went up more.
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Hamtramck_steve
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"I think the original name was Gratiot Township."

The original name was Hamtramck Township. Maybe they should use that, since Hamtramck is one of the few established places in Wayne County to see growth.
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Danny
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A long time ago all of the eastide was part of Gratiot TWP. Right from the Hamtramck TWP. border. Detroit annex parts of Gratiot TWP. from 1921 to 1928 and the last part of Gratiot TWP. become Harper Woods.


Harper Woods today is a typical bedroom suburb with plenty of cookie cutter Detroitesque neighborhoods filled with a mixture of bugalows, ranches and few colonials. Harper Woods has no industrial yards, but it does have a half of downtown filled with mom and pop retail on Kelly Rd. between 8 Mile Rd. and Moross and big well developed Eastland Mall. The city is 90% white, but it has a fast growing black community up to 10%. starting from Vernier and Beaconsfield to Kelly Rd near Downtown Harper Woods.

(Message edited by danny on April 10, 2006)
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Hamtramck_steve
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"A long time ago all of the eastide was part of Gratiot TWP."

I'm talking longer ago than that. Before Gratiot Township, before any of the Grosse Pointes, Hamtramck Township stretched east of Woodward from the river up to 8 Mile.
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Danny
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It was all woods with creeks and Indian villages.
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Gistok
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Funny I though Harper Woods was once known as Chatham Village at some point. The very first Chatham Supermarket (remember them?) was locate on Kelly Rd. half way between Moross (7 Mile) and 8 Mile.
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Chitaku
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Harper Woods was Gratiot township untill about the 40's. They should just annex it into Detroit. I'd be happy.
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Eastsidedog
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Awesome. It will most likely have to opposite effect of what HP city leaders want. Why don't they just change it to Harper Hills or Harperham while they're at it. Total insanity. Nothing's really changed has it. It's OK. They have already got a head start busing Detroit students from the east side (Harper Woods bus goes through West Village every morning).
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Eastsidedog
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Sorry, I take back what I said about HP city leaders. I heard it on TV news this morning, but the article says residents are behind it. It will probably amount to nothing.
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Broken_main
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It just amazes me that some Detroiters(even the ones that are fed up and leaving) just continue to bash Detroit...Miss Cleo
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Jjaba
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jjaba wonders what The Rock thinks of calling his Grosse Pointe a rip-off. Mackinaw, where is it written that a Grosse Pointe has to touch water?

Swingline's post 444 tells it like it tis about schools. Oh the scandal when Angelo brings Shaquana over after school.

jjaba.
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Lmichigan
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The whole concept of a "pointe" is that it touches water.

When will many stop perpetuating the self-fulfilling prophecy that the sky is falling? This just makes Harper Woods look very desperate and unsure of itself.

When does it stop? Seriously, will St. Clair Shores cave in North Grosse Pointe Shores, and then Harrison goes Harrison Pointe Park?

Bvos put it best with his great use of dry humor:


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I believe a name change for Harper Woods will greatly upgrade the city's image, just as it has for Eastpointe.


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Mackinaw
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jjaba, wow that's news to me. I thought for sure the Rock was a seasoned south-ender.

I will have to call it like I see is, though: GP Woods just doesn't fit in too well. Neither does the Shores, but it does has an important prereq.: waterfront.

I hope this doesn't inflame the in-fighting on the far east side...
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Noggin
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If East Pointe wanted to be one of the Pointes they should of joined Wayne County so they could waste their taxes on WCCC like the rest of the Pointes.
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Missnmich
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So what was the deal with five G.P.s in the first place? Some kind of real estate developers stratification system?
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Danny
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Even better From St. Clair Shores to Grosse Pointe Corners. And Harrison TWP. to HARRISON FORD HAHAH!!!! just kidding. How about to Harrison Woods.
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Mackinaw
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Not exactly, Missnmich. When they were developing most of the mid-size homes in the older Points in the 1920s one developer would usually buy an entire street or at least a few blocks, but this is only logical since large ribbon farms blocks were being sold off, and the streets in those cities today run along the length of the farms. Some of them, like Henry Russels, ran all the way from the lake to about where I-94 is; today, this stretch is Three Mile Drive.

Now although GP Woods in clearly inferior (tongue-in-cheek), there was no planned stratification in creating the seperate municipalities. Most of the cities have their own stratification within themselves anyway, especially the Park, City, and Farms which have a huge variety of neighborhood types and housing size/style/price.

Detroiters first started inhabiting the GPs in the 19th century; before this it was a frontier area with military generals and native Americans. By about 1900, more permanent large homes were being built, and this took off post 1915 with auto industry money. After the mid 1920s mainly, it was seen that GP couldn't be a resort/farm/lakefront mansion-only sort of town, so the farms were sold to many, many building companies who would build homes in a planned commuter suburb, an idea which sprung in many cities about that time.

By 1940, just about all of GP Park, City, and Farms was developed, and the lakeshore extending past Provencal to the Ford Estate was developed with large homes on large plots. Development away from the lake in what is now GP Shores, Woods, and Harper Woods was spotty where it was even present. They recieved infill in the post WWII timeframe, when most of the other inner-ring suburbs greatly expanded.

Someone else will have to answer why there are 5 Pointes. Most of them became municipalities around the same time pre-1900. To me, I look at them as Old Pointes (SW of Provencal) and New Pointes (Woods and Shores), but the individual names keep things interesting if nothing else.
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Gravitymachine
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they should take a tip from the metro phoenix area and call it point-E
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Hornwrecker
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1930s map of the that area, when Hunt Club really was one.



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Gistok
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How ironic to this thread..... the Country Golf Club (in the Farms) later changed their name to......

COUNTRY CLUB OF DETROIT !
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Jim
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I would prefer to have Harper Woods enforce city ordinances and for the 8 houses on my block to sell; the six houses on the block north to sell, the three houses that haven't sold in what has to be closing in on 1.5 to 2 years to sell. Among other issues what about the numerous vacant houses, school properties and commercial properties?

So the 'small group of residents' who have their collective heads shoved up each others asses about the name of the city when much more serious issues are occuing that is affecting housing, city services and schools doesn't surprise me.
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The_rock
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1930 MAP----Very interesting. Lochmoor Golf Club has retained its name down to the present time.And I believe that the Country Club of Detroit was originally in Detroit, and when they moved to their present location in the Farms, they retained their original name.
Why so many Pointes? One chap at the GPHistorical Society claims that as folks moved east from Detroit many years ago, they wanted more (what they called )"sophisticated and individual government", so little towns,then called "villages" were started up--Village of Fairview was broken up and became Village of GPP, and each village then became a City in later life ( save for GPS which maintains its village identity). GPW was originally the Village of Lochmoor, I remember their original City Hall, just north of Vernier and Mack. The whole area was carved out of The hugh area of "GP Township" which, I understand, was itself cut out of "Hamtramck Township", even a bigger plot of land on the east side.
So if Harper Woods wants to change its name to Grosse Pointe something, Hamtramck has even a stronger proprietary right to do so. But I think both cities are doing just fine as they are.
Me? I am about 3 short blocks off the water,and other than Hexaginea spp, and I like it here.
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Jjaba
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Ok, so The Rock tells it like it tis. We knew he would. If you live three city blocks off of water or less, you can be a Grosse Pointe. Otherwise, go home and live with your name.

Here's a few suggestions.

10. South Haven Pointe.
9. Grosse Ile Pointe.
8. Pointe Belle Isle.
7. St. Clair Pointe.
6. Grosse River Rouge.
5. Ford Rouge Pointe Plant.
4. Grosse Walled Lake Pointe.
3. Grosse Cleveland.
2. Grosse Battle Creek.
1. Three Grosse Fucking Rivers.

jjaba.
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Steelworker
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Its actually spelled Eastpointe one word. lol
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Jams
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COUNTRY CLUB OF DETROIT history:

http://www.ccofd.com/default.a spx?p=DynamicModule&PageId=205 757&sl=1&vnf=&ssid=100&dpageid =205543
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Jjaba
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On West Mc Nichols (AKA Six Mile Rd.) there's a Detroit Golf Club in Detroit, Michigan with an Albert Kahn Clubhouse.

Now we get a Country Club of Detroit, old, not exactly Detroit, on the Eastside in Grosse Pointe Farms. Detroit is a confusing place, eh.

It's sort of like saying "I go 'down' to Wayne for school."

Thanks Jams.

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Jams
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A link to the history of Wayne County's history and its townships:

http://www.geocities.com/michh ist/wayneco.html

Somehere I've links to a map of the townships' boundaries, but not on this computer.
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Good link on the CCD, Jams. Indeed it has always been in GP. The first clubhouse was were the Little Club currently is...there is some stuff about its former buildings in Ferry's Buildings of Detroit.

So you're near the cusp on GP Shores I guess, The_Rock? My father grew up near that border too. The whole concept of GP Shores never fails to confuse me. It's just a cut-out of the Woods which robs the Woods of its waterfront (the Woods park is in Macomb county...ohhh man). It has all that taxable value with such a small population and so few neighborhoods to spend those funds on.
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Jams, unfortunately that Geocities site has a glaring error. The 5 state Northwest Territories are WAY LARGER than the 1.5 million acres they mention. Today's Huron, Ottawa and Hiawatha National Forests (all located in Michigan) are several million acres each.
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The Clubhouse for the Country Club of Detroit, 220 Country Club Drive, was originally designed by Albert Kahn. In 1925, most of it burned down.

In 1926, Smith Hichman and Grylls Architects re-built the parts that were gone. The Kahn kitchen wing survived the fire. It is described as a rambling storybook English Tudor Cottage. The grounds are pure splendor and the large rooms are mighty nice for meetings and socializing at the club.

jjaba.
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Since East Detroit is due west of all the Pointes proper, shouldnt it have been named Westpointe ? ?

heh.

As fars as Pointes needing to be on the water, isnt GP Woods landlocked ?
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A point indicates water, but that doesn't matter in city naming. There are tons of "woods" this, and "farms" that, and "parks" this, that don't make sense. As for East Detroit, it takes its geographical que from Detroit, not the points. I guess they figured they didn't want to switch it up too much. These things really don't have to make sense, at all, if they don't want to.
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Westpointe was already taken. The US Army cornered that name long ago. And yes, tis on water.

jjaba.
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I made the same point, Mauser. Yeah I gotta question where the 'woods' and 'farms' are, too, but 'Pointe' is something shared by all the cities there, and the Woods is a definite outlier in that it doesn't satisfy the Pointe-i-ness required by that aspect of its name.

So, HWoods wants to be GP Heights. The only place on the eastside that could possibly have 'Heights' or 'Hills' added to its name is that portion of GP Farms between Moross and McKinley and between Charlevoix and the Lakefront, which is elevated about 20 feet over the surroundng area.
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Grosse Pointe Woods does have a beautiful lakefront park in St. Clair Shores, courtesy of Edsel and Eleanor Ford. And you have to feel sorry for Harper Woods, named after an avenue that is now just a freeway service drive through their town.
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St. Clair Shores should get some credit for the Woods' park, too, although in a back-handed manner.

SCS could have purchased the land for the park way back when (I think in the 50's maybe...I'll check with my relatives) and turned it down.
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It looks to me that the pointe in Grosse Pointe is right where GPP and Detroit meet at the water. Waterfront or not, the other pointes are frauds!
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Missnmich, Actually the land where Detroit borders Grosse Pointe Park has long been called "Windmill Pointe". Grosse Pointe was further up the shoreline towards the Grosse Pointe War memorial
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Yeah, the Windmill Pointe area is where the huge swamps were (grand marais). I believe if the concept of the name being derived from a point of land jutting into the lake is true, thatd be where the yacht club is. But if you look at this USGS image, you have to go up to Macomb County at Gaukler Pointe to see where the land sticks out significantly.

USGS
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Mauser765, I don't think that the Grosse Pointe Farms Pier Park (at Moross & Lake St. Clair) is where Windmill Pointe is. That would be near Alter and the Detroit River in Grosse Pointe Park (where Windmill Pointe Drive is). Also, I think you identified Mack as I-94, which is actually closer to the mall (Eastland). :-)

Hamtramck_steve, St. Clair Shores has been trying to get property tax money from Grosse Pointe Woods. I cannot recall the exact loophole that they were using, but I don't think they ended up getting any money.

(Message edited by Gistok on April 13, 2006)
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Gistok is correct.

Windmill Pointe: the terminus of Alter rd, Grosse Pointe Park/Detroit.

Then the question is where is the actual "Pointe." Based on the patterns of growth in GP, the way in which the streets were developed, and the actual shape of the land, I'd say it is were Rust pegged it, just east of the War Memorial. If you're driving Jefferson/Lakeshore E/N, this is were the road curves and you go down a slight ridge and your right-hand side opens up to the view of the water. It is a big rounded point were the lakeshore goes from facing south to facing east. The entire satellite shot above is north of the actual point, and leaves out GP City and Park.

Boy i love these sorts of threads...

(Message edited by mackinaw on April 13, 2006)
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Gistok, a few years ago, there was a push to remove the tax exemption from municipal parks if they were open only to residents. The municipality would have to pay the school district property tax for the land. I don't recall how that turned out, though.
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Oh no, don't get us started on private parks in Grosse Pointe. You live here, you get a key. You don't, use Belle Isle.

Same with the North Shore Communities north of Chicago along Lake Michigan.

jjaba, don't get me started. Flying kite in Rouge Park.
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Residents-only parks are perfectly legal. A state tax court sided with the Pointes in the issue which arose a few years ago regarding what they pay.

With parks as nice as these (heavily funded by big local taxes to make them this way), it would be mayhem if they were open to the general public.
There are plenty of affordable ways into the Pointes that you wouldn't expect if you really want access to the parks; or, just have a friend take ya.

I just heard that Rosedale Park in Detroit has a residents-only park.
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Legal is one thing. Ethical, moral, and democratic is another.

All city parks are maintained by the local property taxes. That begs the question.
Mackinaw, explain mayhem.

Dearborn had the issue also. jjaba and family used to be white enough to pass into Camp Dearborn when Mayor Hubbard kept that place closed to Detroiters. Those days should finally be behind us. Henry Ford may not have liked us, but we used his park. Imagine the bellydancing out there now.

jjaba, please don't get me started.
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Since we're on the subject of the Grosse Pointe lakeshore.... I noticed that just north of the Grosse Pointe Farms Pier Park, there's about a 500ft section of lakefront that has a lot of tall grasses and junky looking trees growing along the shoreline. It does look unsightly. Are the Grosse Pointes prevented from removing this vegetation by the Army Corp of Engineers, or some other governmental body?

It looks very unsightly for such a closely (and nicely) manicured lakefront area. I bet the homeowners along that stretch of Lakeshore Dr. don't like it either.
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Gistok-
That section of lakefront "beach" has developed over the last decade as sand, silt & scum deposits from the lakes natural southward flow, blocked by the pier. Probably partially due to the recent low lake levels.
Yes, GPF cannot do anything to prevent or remove this vegetation, as it is considered a portion of a natural wetland, protected by the Feds.
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ethical, moral, democratic----oh, come on, give me a break. Enough already. I assume you are pushing for all-unisex bathrooms, too. Was that you picketing at The Masters?
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LOL at The_rock and Jjaba teasing each other...

Thanks for the info Rrl. I did notice that the "beach" in front of the former Scripts-Whitcomb estate has had the taller trees cleared out of it (probably a stealth job). That would be where that Spanish Villa sits way back from Lakeshore Dr. on acres of front lawn with the curving drive framed by trees.
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Actually, Thursday's (today's)Grosse Pointe News features a front page article on this unsightly mess of vegetation/ growth lining the shore line. And maybe there is some relief FINALLY in sight. This is not just a case of damaging "wetlands". This crap has accumulated for years, and the State may now allow what it calls "grooming". It becomes an issue of what can be groomed, what should be groomed, who will do it and of course....cost. So called"non-native" vegetation can be controlled without a permit. But who will pay for it?
Nevertheless, expect the usual environmental wackos out there with picket signs saying you can't touch this "natural fauna."
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Rock, maybe Jjaba was the guy holding the orange sign?

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hahaha jjaba. mayhem only in the sense that the entire metro Detroit area would collapse on the Pointes to bathe in their little swimming pools with the pretty views of the lake. If we get desperate 5 years down the road with people moving out and home prices stalling, I suppose we could just turn into a tourist/resort town with waterparks and lakefront highrises for all. Imagine Grosse Pointe turning into a Great Lakes version of South Beach or the Jersey Shore!

(Message edited by mackinaw on April 13, 2006)
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The original Country Club of Detroit was located at Fisher and Lakeshore. The Dodges bought the property to build their first house which Dodge Place is now. On Fisher is the polo viewing house, it is now a private home that sits back from the road.

Also East Detroit used to be called halfway since it was halfway between Detroit and Mt Clemens on the street cars. It was also called Erin Township for a time.

Oh I almost forgot what this thread was about! It is one person who is requesting the change. I don't think it will ever happen. I know the mayor is not for it.
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There are many "Halfway" place names such as Halfway, Oregon. Like Eastpointe, it is halfway to nowhere.

jjaba.

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