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Posted From: 69.221.67.48
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |    |
"Eight Miles of Murder" --
Story on the Proof-Bender murders, with a British sense of doom about Detroit:
1754836%2C00.html,http://obser ver.guardian.co.uk/world/story /0,,1754836,00.html |
Chitaku
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Post Number: 140
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.43.107.72
| | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 4:57 am: | |
link's not workin' |
Everydayislikesunday
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Username: Everydayislikesunday
Post Number: 237
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 68.41.153.99
| | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 8:35 am: | |
observer.guardian.co.uk/world/ story/0,,1754836,00.html
put "http://" in front of the above link.
for some reason, when you type it all together, it adds symbols and characters that make it a broken link.. |
Skamour14
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Username: Skamour14
Post Number: 47
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 35.8.218.148
| | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 1:59 pm: | |
to me this guy was just another waste.. not on talent... but as a celebrity... I know because I have been in clubs where he was at and he really acted like an ass.....to all my homies on the rock.... lift yo heads |
E_hemingway
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Post Number: 569
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Posted From: 68.42.176.123
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:59 am: | |
Bender died early this morning. |
Gravitymachine
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Posted From: 198.208.159.20
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:13 am: | |
on wdet this morning, they mentioned a memorial for proof, but made no mention of the fact that he shot someone before he himself was shot...not very thorough news reporting |
Islandman
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Posted From: 68.42.171.59
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:34 am: | |
Damn, E_hemingway,
That is a shame.  |
E_hemingway
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Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 570
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.42.176.123
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:37 am: | |
Detroiter who was allegedly shot by Proof dies from his wounds
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060418/U PDATE/604180401 |
Zulu_warrior
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Posted From: 68.251.27.41
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 2:57 pm: | |
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060418/NEW S99/60418002
News bulletin
Man allegedly shot by rapper dies
April 18, 2006
Email this Print this By BEN SCHMITT
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
A man who police say was shot a week ago by Detroit rapper Proof died early Tuesday.
Keith Bender Jr., 35, died at St. John Hospital and Medical Center, said Wende Berry, a spokeswoman at the hospital.
Authorities say Proof, whose birth name is Deshaun Holton, shot Bender at the C.C.C. club in Detroit early last Tuesday after a fight. According to police, another man -- a relative of Bender's -- then shot Proof three times, killing the rapper.
A viewing for Proof, a close friend of Eminem's and a member of the group D-12, was scheduled for Tuesday. His funeral is Wednesday. |
Broken_main
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Username: Broken_main
Post Number: 1069
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 68.42.79.6
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 4:17 pm: | |
I beleive that it is more to this story than we have been told.
We went to view the body, Swanson did a very good job.
RIP Proof |
Skamour14
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Username: Skamour14
Post Number: 66
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 35.10.217.91
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 4:46 pm: | |
How can you.. broken main vein.. be soo R.I.P. proof, when this fool shot someone else... you are one of the most lost and communists bastards out there... thank goodness that this S.O.B. got killed...... thats a bunch of B.S. that everyone "feels" condolences for some dummie who was drunk, a braggart, and was out when he should've been doing whats responseable as a public figure, and as a father... its morons like you that push these barney bad asses to the level that theyre at, to do the things they do... If folks didnt glorify their lifestyle then they would not do the Gangsta things... and would have some sense to just be cool..... What you need to do is feel sorry that a member of the Service community lost out... someone who went for you, because you either got too scared, had a felony, or didnt have the balls, to fight for your country.. that is a shame... and normally I dont post serious things on this forum, but damnit this is just down right sickining... now back to Danny... he would say you might be coming from the ghettohoods |
Northend
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Post Number: 895
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Posted From: 69.220.232.15
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 5:37 pm: | |
wasn't that "respectable member of the service" out when he shouldn't have been, skamour??
I really don't give a damn that Proof got killed and neither do I give a damn that a "member of the Service" gets killed whille at CCC on 8 mile at 4:30 am.
Does that make me too scared to go fight for my country?? You're out of your mind.
Next time you're waiting in line and you suspect someone to be a member of the Service, let him go first otherwise I'll smack your scared communist ass silly |
Blessyouboys
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Username: Blessyouboys
Post Number: 371
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Posted From: 69.209.170.62
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 7:45 pm: | |
Yeah, and Skamour, sweet Myspace page you posted, too bad your music blows. |
Skamour14
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Post Number: 68
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Posted From: 35.8.218.123
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:04 pm: | |
Hey bless you boys.... you looked that means you blew me, and seeing how bad it was.. thanks.... as for all of this.. o one cares about if he was a good man..... you pose a good question northend... what the hell was he doing out @ that time... WOW didnt think of such a thing..... but oh well.... I still will post stupid shit... not much you can do about that.... but thanks to all who looked @ our myspace... Bless you boys is just baised.. if you ever care to tell me our music suck in person, then just show up at one of our shows, I post the venues and dates, would be happy to respond in person.... but not in the same way these two did, and I can take criticisim, do you even play??? |
321brian
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Post Number: 128
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Posted From: 68.62.6.147
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:04 pm: | |
Name change....
Murder Proof shot and killed..... |
Ravine
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Username: Ravine
Post Number: 17
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 75.10.21.137
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 11:17 am: | |
My last comment (probably): Anyone who hangs around these little stink-ass after-hours joints is, or is at least acting like, a total f'ing idiot. This shit is not new; it's been going on for YEARS, and the hideously immature and irresponsible rap crowd has only made it worse. However, some people actually get off on being around when some bullshit goes down; from their limited point of view, that qualifies as excitement. I agree with Northend. The fact that someone "served their country" (read: participated in carrying out Little Georgie's vendetta) doesn't make him any less of a loser for being where he was, when he was. And I'm tired of people being so weepy over Proof. F*** him and his sycophantic "homeys." |
Skamour14
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Posted From: 35.10.217.88
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 7:11 pm: | |
tru dat...Ravine.. well put |
Black_barbie
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Posted From: 68.42.76.2
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 1:47 am: | |
Some of the comments on here show a lack of empathy for loss of life. What the fuck are we, as a people, doing?
1.) Proof had more of a reputation for helping people than he had for hindering. He was in the process of resolving conflicts with fellow friends and associates. Unfortunately, his temper still got the better of him.
And yes, he played with fire but GUN VIOLENCE is a plague in America, period. His 4,000-attendee funeral and DPD escort were well-earned and necessary. Not only did he influence the music culture in Detroit (as a pillar) but he did the same in Australia and several parts of Europe. People from all over were at that funeral paying respect.
1b.) Please don't cast judgement on a situation that might, damn well happen to you. It was an illegal after hours joint and the only witness to really step up was the bouncer who killed Proof...the truth is not going to serve itself on a silver platter and witnesses (who were doing illegal shit) are not going to pop-up...NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!
2.) This situation has nothing to do with hip-hop or rap culture. It has to do with people doing illegal shit (as some of u on here probably do) and using ignorance and/or anger to solve problems.
So if you have a gripe about him being "celebrated," then get down to the real issue and contribute to compaigning against illegal activity: that includes unregistered guns, underage drinking, drunk driving, drugs...woa, do u find yourself doing some of this shit? or in risky situations that could've ended your life?
If so, your wrong too then...and hopefully people will not say that they don't care about your black/white/asian/latino ass getting killed that day.
3.) Two people are dead. We are greiving for their families and friends (as I am one of them). Have some fucking respect, you never know who's reading these posts.
4.) When Columbine happened it was sad, when it happens to a young black male, people are immune, especially in Detroit (probably because of demographics). However, this shit is serious, and it's killing people. And everyone is playing a part in it...not just the media, television, entertainment industry. Where the fuck do you think people get guns? They don't get them from rappers, I know that.
Anyhoo, he helped a lot of people gained strength within themselves, to make moves in the music industry; he helped people with owning businesses and just keeping diapers on babies. It's completely unreal for those that don't know shit about him to cast judgement!
I don't mean to offend anyone but people have said on here that Proof deserved to die and he didn't. Period. Keith Bender didn't deserve to die. Period. This is the result of gun violence. And it has to stop. Period.
-BB |
Shave
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Posted From: 205.188.116.137
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 1:54 am: | |
Tissue ma'am? |
Wabashrr1
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Post Number: 82
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Posted From: 152.163.100.8
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 2:16 am: | |
I've stayed out of this up until now because before he got shot, I had no idea nor could I have cared who Proof was/is. Rap, hip-hop, and that whole culture aren't my thing. However...
"3.) Two people are dead. We are greiving for their families and friends (as I am one of them). Have some fucking respect, you never know who's reading these posts."
It doesn't matter who's reading them. If you've spent anytime reading through some of these threads, you should know that. Not knocking you, just stating the obvious.
"4.) When Columbine happened it was sad, when it happens to a young black male, people are immune, especially in Detroit (probably because of demographics). However, this shit is serious, and it's killing people. And everyone is playing a part in it...not just the media, television, entertainment industry. Where the fuck do you think people get guns? They don't get them from rappers, I know that."
Equating the two is simply ridiculous. The students at Columbine HS were where they were supposed to be on that given day. The shootings that day were committed by two whacko nut jobs who obviously had no intention of surviving that day themselves. Your friend Proof on the other hand, regardless of what will ever be known, as well as the one he shot (okay, alledgedly shot) were by your own admission in a place they shouldn't have been, doing things they shouldn't have been doing. To quote somebody else on the DY forums, "don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash". You ask (maybe rhetorically) "Where the fuck do you think people get guns?". Good question. Here are a couple more.. Were they purchased Legally? If so, were they Registered?? How about the required CCW to carry the weapons? I'll give you the short answer to that one.. If Proof had a criminal record (as I've read), his was not purchased legally and was not registered for his use. He damn sure didn't have a CCW to carry the weapon. Doesn't make any difference though, does it? He's just as dead. |
Thecarl
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Username: Thecarl
Post Number: 719
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 69.14.30.175
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 2:19 am: | |
quote:Anyone who hangs around these little stink-ass after-hours joints is, or is at least acting like, a total f'ing idiot.
well...maybe. in our big industrialized cities, you have folks that work three shifts. many late-shift workers like to wind down and socialize like their first-shift counterparts. nine-to-fivers go to applebee's after work. where do folks go who punch out at 2:30 am? i suppose they don't deserve a place to go? |
Ravine
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Post Number: 21
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Posted From: 68.248.15.54
| | Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 10:08 pm: | |
I used to punch out at 3:00 A.M. I'm not much of an out-hanger anyway, but if I was, I would still figure that heading for a place in Detroit serving after-hours (therefore illegal) alcohol, and packed full of folks who were probably, by that hour, already blasted, I would figure that was probably a good way to end up in a fucked-up situation. Getting off work at 3:00 A.M. mostly sucks (although it was a great time to stop at Yum-Yum Donuts at Michigan and Wyoming,) so I understand what Thecarl is saying, but while 3:00 A.M. might not be a great time for much else, it's a great time to take your ass home, where (hopefully) you don't have to contend with people who have been drinking for the past five or six hours. Some co-workers of mine would head for the home of one of the guys (who was not married,) fire up the barbecue, sit around getting loaded, and then chow down. Sounds better than going to a place full of drunken strangers and risking being hauled off in a police raid. |
Lmichigan
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Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3576
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 12:22 am: | |
Not that I believe this has very much to do with after-hours clubs, but there really shouldn't be after-hours clubs, at all. And by that I mean that bars should be able to stay open for as long as they choose to. I believe the positives of such a thing far outweigh what we see now. The more the morality police of this country try to push things underground, the more dangerous they become to the society as a whole in the long run. |
Drdetroit
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Posted From: 68.79.91.116
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 12:28 am: | |
Lmichigan - THAT WAS WELL SAID> |
Thecarl
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Post Number: 721
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Posted From: 69.14.30.175
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 12:47 am: | |
can i try a spin on this?
society could be consistent in its message. we could regulate the times during which people would be reasonably expected to work, rest, and play. if it's so bad to socialize and be merry at 3:00 am, why is it okay to be in a factory, operating a machine that smashes sheet metal into fenders, at the same time? upper-class rules at work here???
make businesses close at 5, and bars close at 11. there should be a time to quit working, and a time to go home. |
Pffft
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Post Number: 905
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 71.144.83.110
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 1:19 am: | |
There are a lot of cool people who have to work late and/or are up late and want to be out and about.
But all it takes is a few idiots to shorten their lives, and the lives of others, in some joint at 3 a.m.
Unfortunately the chances of running into such idiots increases exponentially if you're in the club at 3, as opposed to 8 or 9. That's the way it is. It's not some upper class conspiracy. |
Lmichigan
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Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3578
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 67.172.95.197
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 2:41 am: | |
Carl, your post disturbs me on so many levels. Maybe, society (which would quickly turn into government meddling) should just tell me when I need to go to bed, what I can and can not eat, where and when I can come and go...uh...no. It's really just that simple. If I want to be told when I can work and play, I'll try my luck in North Korea, ok? |
Skamour14
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Username: Skamour14
Post Number: 77
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 24.11.184.193
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 2:51 am: | |
Carl....in some parts of the country, Texas forone that I know of.... they stop selling liquor @ 12:00 midnight, now I know that that dosent stop people, but while I was there they did go out earlier and went home @ a reasonable rate... I think the post by lmich, proved a good point, why not be like other countries and keep a spot open till whenever, granted in the begining the people would be crazy drunk and maybe some lives would be lost.. but we need violence to have the peace... we need a few dumbasses to have understanding, so in the long run, the rules would work themselves out... its only a thought and maybe a bad on, but I am sure there are many who could understand this,I live on the campus of MSU, and moved here just recently from Mid-town, I see alot of drunk kids ALOT, and they start out @ 3:00 in the afternoon, now by 9 or 10 the streets are pretty quiet and everyone is sleeping the effects off....I just think that it could work as most things do through trial and error. |
_sj_
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Post Number: 1315
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 68.73.207.101
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 10:19 am: | |
If I was any of you partake in patronage of a known blind pig, I would stay at home for a while.
Remember, operating a blind pig is a crime and so is attending one. It would suer suck to have to explain to your boss that your are in jail, or got tickets $500 and they took your car. |
Skamour14
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 24.11.184.193
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 7:12 pm: | |
_sj_, heres your glass of water... now go back to bed, telling us what we already know, you know its rude to just cut into grown folks business/talk.... so where were we in our conversation? |
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