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Machoken
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Anybody know where I can click to see a Baile Corcaigh menu? I googled, but couldn't find one.

Also, if anyone can recommend good smoke free restaurants I'd appreciate it. I know about Karras Brothers and Traffic Jam and Snug. Any others?
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Don't need one, it's all delicious
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This might help?


http://www.metrotimes.com/metr opolis/restaurants/review.asp? id=9240
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Pffft
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D'Amici's on 12 Mile in Berkley is smoke-free ...
gourmet pizzas are the specialty, liquor license.

The wine bar on Main in Royal Oak is smokefree too, but I forget the name ...

p.s. New Jersey now has a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants (casinos got an exception). When oh when will we get that here?
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Bob
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Never, we have turned into such a backward state in which there are more smokers than the national average, people ignore the warning signs. Smokers just moved into the apartment below me and now with the nice weather having the windows open I have to smell their smoke. Restaurants think they will lose too much business from smokers not coming, but without realizing how much business they are losing by non-smokers not coming. Smokers have rights, but their right should end when non-smokers are forced to smell their smoke. They have a right to smoke, but I have a right to clean air.
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quote:

p.s. New Jersey now has a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants (casinos got an exception). When oh when will we get that here?




Hopefully never, Private establishments should continue to maintain their rights to do business as they see fit under the law and as long as cigarettes are legal they should be allowed to decide.


quote:

but I have a right to clean air.




In public, yes, but in private you are and should always be shit out of luck.
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Pffft
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Well that's what smokers thought in New York, California, Chicago and now New Jersey, sj.

Sorry but history is against you...the march of progress goes on. The smoking ban is going to spread to all states.

The bars and restaurants will find, as they did in NY, Cal. and Chicago that their business doesn't drop off a bit.
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quote:

In public, yes, but in private you are and should always be shit out of luck.




Sure, but I guess it depends on your definition of public. There is "public" as in "outside" and there is "public" as in "open to the public."

It'll happen here, pretty close to last, because Michigan cannot be on the cutting edge for ANYTHING. Not the smoking/clean air issue, not healthcare, not the environment, not civil rights, not public transportation, not urban revival, not solving poverty, not economic growth, not ... well, anything.

It would be nice, just once, if our state political leadership could pull it together and show it can be a leader in SOMETHING. But I suppose that would depend on the people electing and supporting people who are innovative thinkers and are willing to think creatively.
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Yup!

You know it's bad when smoke-stained bars in NY and Chicago go smokefree before we do. But it'll happen.
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Bob
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Also look at the amount of corporations that are charging smokers extra for health insurance, and if you are caught lying, you are fired. The day is coming, it just can't come fast enough.
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Czar
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I think we should ban all drinking in bars. Since most people in cities like Detroit drive to bars and studies have shown that even one drink can impair your reflexes, all drinking in bars should be banned unless you live within walking distance of the establishment.
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quote:

Well that's what smokers thought in New York, California, Chicago and now New Jersey, sj.




As we watch our rights continue to degrade in the name of special interest groups. Eavesdropping, Insurance, terrorism and fear our rights are being eroded everyday. But WTF who cares if they erode the rights of smokers I am not one and it does not effect me. That same hollow statement has been echoed a million times by selfish individuals.


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Sure, but I guess it depends on your definition of public. There is "public" as in "outside" and there is "public" as in "open to the public."




This has been debated before, open to the public does not make it public.
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_sj_
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quote:

Also look at the amount of corporations that are charging smokers extra for health insurance, and if you are caught lying, you are fired. The day is coming, it just can't come fast enough.




And the day can not come fast enough for corporations to charge more money to gays, blacks, hispanics and people with dangerous lifestyles more money to cover the odds that they will cost more money to cover.

That is not progress.

(Message edited by _sj_ on April 14, 2006)
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Pffft
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Yeah that "I need to breathe" special interest group -- how dare they push their agenda on the rest of us!
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Pffft
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The non-smoking wine bar in Royal Oak is Vinotecca, at 417 South Main Street. They serve tapas and artisanal cheeses ...give 'em some business.
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_sj_
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No it is not the "I need to breathe" it is "Everything that is offensive to me, must be banned for everyone."

Your freedoms begin in PUBLIC but they end in PRIVATE. Bars are private and homes are private.
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Pffft
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Bars and restaurants are not private, that's hilarious. They can't refuse to serve someone on the basis of race or gender. A private club can. They have to be accessible to the handicapped.

Privately-owned -- by an individual or corporation as opposed to the government? -- does not make a business "private."
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_sj_
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You may think it is laughable, but you could not be more wrong.

A bar can limit service to anyone at anytime. Based upon previous actions, clothes, attitude, age and the list goes on and on.

A resturant is different animal and should be treated differently. However Bars and Casinos are different than resturants and to make difference between them is assinine.

If you truely believe that think of this scenario.

Ford Field owned by the county, financing aided by te public, but the Lions can limit your free speech. Why becuase it is not a public event. It is a public venue holding a private event.

(Message edited by _sj_ on April 14, 2006)

(Message edited by _sj_ on April 14, 2006)
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Machoken
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Any thoughts on Southern Fires? Looks like it could be a decent substitute for Slows, minus the bar of course. Too bad Slaughter at MetroTimes says that you will reek after a busy night at Slows (http://www.metrotimes.com/guid e/restaurants/review.asp?id=95 24)
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Ilovedetroit
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Southern Fires is great but I don't think they serve booze?
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The same people who are out figting to keep the "rights" of smokers, are the ones making sure that the states dictate what can and cannot be marriage, and tries to force Christianity down everyones throats. As a very active Christian I find this approach repulsive and not Christ-like at all. How can you want to protect a "right" of smoking and then take away other peoples rights to believe what they want. They are also the same people who want t take away choioce for women....talk about selective right protection....
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Fjw718
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Since when is 3 states and a city banning smoking a "majority" or a "wave"????

Smoking is legal, end of story.
Should we ban driving because of the putrid smell of auto exhaust and the damage it does to ones health and the environment?
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Pffft
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Actually, yeah they banned leaded gasoline because of the toxicity of the fumes (laugh).

Next argument?
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Slows
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Just fyi, we've installed 3 smoke eaters since that article, although I won't guarantee you won't still smell a little smokey but no where near what it was at that time.
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Rsa
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so all smokers are ultra conservative and not very christian jd? you might want to watch the blanket statements, they carry some serious implications.

btw. just because new york has banned smoking doesn't mean that most smokers there have quit. many bars there have seen the ban affect their business and in some places it has had a negative effect on the neighborhoods. smokers who have been drinkinging go out onto the sidewalk to have a smoke, up until 4am, and are as loud and boistorous as people can be. [remember that in a place a dense as new york many people above or near said places.] neither side of the argument is as perfect as they'd like you to think. people might have to (gasp!) come to a compromise!

i could continue on about how ridiculous and absolutely self-rightous the arguments for crusading for a smoke-free world, but i've done it before and that's not what this thread is about.
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I am a smoker living in New York City and a registered Liberal Party Member.

Many bars DID close right after the smoking ban went into effect, and in all honesty most bars still do allow smoking after say 10 or 11pm, even with the fines the income is still better by allowing smoking. Almost every nightclub allows smoking as long as you keep it quiet.
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Machoken
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Hey thanks Slows. While I've got your attention, what would you say is the best time to arrive at your restaurant on a Friday night and not have to wait more than 15-30 minutes to be seated?
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pfft = but they didn't ban diesel did they? and does that make unleaded gasoline any better?

Your argument basically says that smoking in bars is ok as long as i smoke ULTRA LIGHTS. idgi.

(Message edited by fjw718 on April 14, 2006)
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Slows
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No problem Machoken, usually by 6pm and you are okay. That's only if you are 4 or less. After 6pm it just depends on your timiing. Tonight shouldn't be too bad because of Good Friday.
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Pffft
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Rsa,

Who said that any smokers have quit in cities where smoking is banned? They can continue to smoke themselves silly (or sick) if they so choose, they just need to do it in their private homes, or outside. Not in a public bar or restaurant.
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Pffft
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p.s. They also banned smoking in IRELAND, in bars and restaurants. Irish pubs.
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Machoken:

Click here to see a great listing of smoke-free restaurants!

http://www.smokefreemichigan.o rg/restaurants.htm

Not yet on the list is the Detroit Breakfast House, they are 100% smoke-free.
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Drm
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If you call Baile Corcaigh, they'll happily fax you a menu.
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Pffft
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Nice idea, but that list isn't even close to being up to date.

D'Amici's in Berkley isn't there, and it's been smoke free for at least two years. Vinotecca in Royal Oak isn't on the list, either.
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The_aram
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If you're ever in Ann Arbor, Red Hawk on State St. is a smoke free bar/pub-type place. And extremely good. Great atmosphere, even better food.
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3rdworldcity
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Smokers are stupid. Or, mentally incapable of grasping the detrimental impact of their conduct, to themselves and others. They are so insecure they need a "prop" in public; teens who smoke are examples. I would be embarrassed to be seen with a cigarette.

And, I won't patronize a restaurant or bar which permits smoking. (Sorry Slows; I love the place but won't go back. I'll bet you would not only not lose a customer but would gain many if you banned smoking. It's disgusting to have to watch people smoking while they eat, not to mention having to smell the damn smoke. What's wrong with people that have to smoke while they eat?)

And the idea of having "smoking areas" in public places is akin to having a pissing area in a swimming pool.

I frequent American Airline's Admirals Clubs when traveling and they have smoking areas in the clubs that look like isolation rooms in hospitals; thick plate glass windows, special air handling systems etc. The few folks that use them - a very small percentage of the members - look pathetic sitting in there. Other members frequently shake their heads in disbelief....and pity....while walking by.

A good friend was one of the co-owners of the large sports bar (forgot the name) in the 555 Woodward Building in Birmingham years ago that was "no smoking" and they were wildly successful.
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quote:

I'll bet you would not only not lose a customer but would gain many if you banned smoking.




That has got to be one of the most naive statements I have ever seen on this board.
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Amen, sj. To everything you have posted in this thread. Why do people feel the need to control what other people do with their own bodies and lives? Stay out of my business and I'll stay out of your's. If a bar or restaurant feels that business would be better if they banned or separated smoking, so be it.....Stop trying to legislate it.
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Gambling_man: I could care less what you do w/ your life. If you want to smoke 10 packs a day, be my guest. However, when you idiot smokers (if you are one) pollute the air I breath, and result in an increase in medical care costs for everyone, as all smokers do, then I'm going to do my best to control my life by controlling yours. And, we're winning, but slowly.
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Pffft
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True,
It's my business when I pay higher health care premiums because of your lifestyle -- if you smoke -- Gambling Man.

Not to mention the decongestants, puffers etc. I have to use because of unwilling exposure to tobacco smoke.
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Sknutson
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Everytime I'm back in Michigan and hear "smoking or non" it really stuns me.

I love California's smoke free restaurants and BARS!
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Histeric
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The argument regarding increased costs in medical care completely misses the mark. The reality is that the majority of medical care costs are generated during old age, fighting off the inevitable death we all must face. Since smokers chose to shorten their lives (the really quality years of eighties and nineties), It stands to reason that if they all quit and followed the illusive fountain of youth/healthy blah blah blah, they would dramatically increase the costs to society. So it seems to me that you mother hens should be thanking smokers for saving your precious resources so someone can change your damn diapers.

As for you smelling the smoke, I don't like perfume, cologne, pachoulli, blah, blah, blah. Your desire to tell business owners what they can do in their own establishments reeks of a rebirth of the Carrie Nation/AntiSaloon league type busy bodies that insist on imposing their beliefs/lifestyle on the rest of us. A very dangerous proposition in my mind so for all of you who feel like you need to pass a new law every ten minutes as you child proof the planet, FUCK YOU.
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No, Histeric, fuck YOU!

Have another drink. On me, of course.

PS - Enjoying California's smoke-free restauraunts and bars as we speak.

(edit: hopefully this comes across as tongue-in-cheek as intended)

(Message edited by dialh4hipster on April 16, 2006)
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Paddy
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Well said histeric...well said
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Like George Carlin said about school uniforms, "I remember seeing films about that in grade school, but I couldn't understand because it was all in GERMAN!!!!!" I want you to control my life about as much as I would've liked to have lived in Germany in the 30's & 40's and not have been "good" enough to be a German!!!!

It's like those ultra-stupid "Truth" commercials on the equally abominable TV (I know, spending time w/the gf in front of the tv sucks, but I do catch some things once in awhile!)...ultra moral teens and pre-teens telling me not to smoke, but how many of them are fucking and getting pregnant and doing illicit drugs after (or during, for that matter) school?

I am a recovering alcoholic...ergo, I don't want you idiot (as 3rdworldcity called us smokers) drinkers barfing on my shoes while I'm eating, or better yet, as stated before, plowing into me on my way home from an AA meeting after you've been out drinking all night!!!!

This debate is about as endless as the chicken vs. the egg theory.....

and I have to go smoke now.
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Slows
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3wc, the dining side is smoke free as is the bar section of the dining side, but I guarantee we would lose more customers than gain customers if we banned smoking completely. If the state or city goes non-smoking then I'm all for it.

And frankly, by your name calling and negative attitude that you display consistently in your posts I'm not pretty happy that you've decided not to return our restaurant.
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Czar
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"Not to mention the decongestants, puffers etc. I have to use because of unwilling exposure to tobacco smoke."

Ahhh, so here's Pfft's real problem. Another hypochondriac. LOL.
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Pffft
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Riiiight, so every kid with asthma is a hypochondriac, eh Czar?

Nicotine is one of the most common allergens out there. It's a toxic substance for pete's sake. Please ...light up. I insist.
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Czar
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I don't care about you or your "asthma". If cigarette smoke bothers you, don't patronize businesses that allow smoking. Karaoke nights at bars bother me so I don't go to those bars, get it?

And Slows, nice move on buying the smoke eaters. Those things work great. More places should have them.
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Pffft
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Sorry Czar, I have the right to go out and see music. There are some more states you need to avoid. There's more than just three; 11 states now ban smoking in bars and restaurants: New Jersey, New York, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Montana, Vermont and Washington.

Florida, Georgia, Idaho, North and South Dakota and Utah have smoking restrictions that aren't quite as all-encompassing.
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Slows: Is smoking stupid or intelligent? The smokers I know admit it's a stupid and destructive habit.

There's always Famous Dave's (don't know if they permit smoking in MI but in IL they do not; I get carry-out here.)

Despite banning me, instead of smoking, I still think your food is great
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Rustic
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3rd world, smoked food probably isn't the healthiest stuff either, ya know ...

Slows, "And frankly, by your name calling and negative attitude that you display consistently in your posts I'm not pretty happy that you've decided not to return our restaurant." Was that directed toward 3rdworld or histeric ... I'm confused, lol!

Pdtpuck, this debate is hardly endless, it ends as soon as a state bans smoking in its bars and restaurants and their nightlife does not crumble into dust ... smokers step outside to grab a quick smoke between drinks, no biggie, debate over --shrug-- The exact same "debate" happened when they started banning smoking at offices, in airplanes, in other public places etc.. Everyone got over it and modified their behavior with no big problem at all. For example, nowadays it seems absolutely foreign to work in an office environment with the overflowing ashtrays and dense cigarette smoke of yesteryear (recall how all that smoking in the recent movie "good night and good luck" gave it such a strong period feeling). People and businesses adapt pretty quickly to change.

I live in one a them smoking banned states, it is actually quite nice going out and not coming home reeking of cigarette smoke, tho as I understand it the argument for it is more that it protects the health of restaurant and bar employees rather than for the hygiene of the customers. But whatever ...

...smoke 'em while ya got 'em ... cuz it ain't gonna last forever
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Ron
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Any punk can quit smoking;
It takes a REAL man to fight lung cancer!
:-)
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Pffft
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I know a blues musician who's had a lung removed from the effects of second hand smoke in all those clubs he's played. And still, he has to work in places where people blow smoke in his face.

It's definitely restaurant/bar workers and musicians who are affected the most...
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Slows
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Pardon the error with the "not" in my last sentence.

3wc, I never said you were banned; you were the one that said you were never returning. Slows doesn't discriminate against anyone.
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Histeric
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Awwww, rustic's upset cuz I don't like his pachoulli. How east coast, hippy dippy cute. I guess even a Detroiter's skin thins out if he or she is away from home long enough.

DhforHipster - Don't come complaining to me when they close down the R and R.
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Rustic
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naw histeric, no dreadlocks on this head ... ya know, long time Detroiters can get thin skinned too, depending on the topic, eh? ... I'll take your advice: probably be back home soon ... hey maybe I'll check out your part of town while I'm home, that's always fun ...
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Histeric
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Let me know and I'll treat u to a beer and a cigarette.
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Rustic
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okay, I'll buy the second round ...
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Pdtpuck
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Rustic...thanks for the other point of view, but do you not see what one well-intentioned post has started?!? lol Correct me if I am wrong (anybody), but was it CAL or NY that planned on banning smoking from OUTSIDE these establishments as well? That kills the "step outside for a quick puff," I would think.

Anyway, fortunately for me, my folks raised me with excellent morals & values...it is I that chose to foul up my lungs and clothes...3wc was correct on one mark...I also state that my smoking is a horrible addiction, but I tend to justify it by saying it's not as bad as my former drug habit (I know , I know, nicotine is also a drug, but that's also why I call my smoking an ADDICTION!!!). I also am considerate of other when & where I smoke. But, by nature of its' annoyances (smoke, smell), it is rather obtrusive.

I love a good debate...thanks for the brain food, people (seriously!).
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3rdworldcity
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Slows: I know I wasn't banned; I was being a little fascetious. I'm sure I'll be back in there someday when I'm downtown and need a rib fix.

Re: those new smoke eaters. I presume you installed then as a result of customer complaints about the smoke. I don't know how much they cost to purchase and install but it has to be a few grand. That cost had to come out of your pocket or the customer's pockets (smoking and non-smoking customers.) I'd be upset about having to spend that money if I were the owner, although it's easy to say "..just another cost of doing business." Enough of those and you're broke.

I remembered the name of my friend's place in Birmingham..The Old Woodward Grill in the 555 Building. As I said, it was a very large sports bar/restaurant and when he and his partners opened the place as "non-smoking" people thought they were nuts. Turned out to be the hottest place in town for years and they made a fortune while they owned it and when they sold it. The point is, the place was consistantly crowded with customers who came there because it was smoke-free. They came from places they previously patronized that were not smoke free. My guess is you have enough going for you at Slows that banning smoking would have a positive effect on business (not that you apparently need more since the place always seems to be crowded I hear.) Sooner or later, when business slows down because of competition or the many other reasons it normally does, being smoke free might be the hook you'll want to keep the customers coming in who might not normally frequest the place now.
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Histeric
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Yea slows, I mean just check out the crowded bar at the other new establishment in the neighborhood. They did exactly what the guy with the insulting moniker suggests above. On any given night the bar area is at 25% of capacity and the staff turnover is huge cuz they aren't making any money.

The guys handle says everything I need to know about his thoughts on my city. It ain't B'ham and we ain't boooojie.
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Jams
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Histeric

What would you know about anything? You nicotine-addicted, beerswilling hippy wannabe,......other than you've put your life on the line for your neighborhood and this City?
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Shasta_daisy
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Right on, Histeric!
I won't go to a so-called "bar" that doesn't allow smoking. BORING! LAME-O!
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3rdworldcity
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Histeric/Shasta_Daisy: Smokers. And, apparently PROUD of it. Figure that one out.

S_D: Not smoking is boring? Maybe you ought to get a life. Try jogging. Oh, I forgot....that takes healthy lungs.

Histeric: Guess what. It ain't "your" city. It's mine. I'll bet your moniker is appropos, if it's a euphimism for "hysterical."
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Czar
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 4:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Try jogging"

Now that's boring. I dated a girl in college who was a distance runner on the track team. She smoked a pack a day. Go figure.
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Pffft
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I bet she's not jogging and smoking these days, Czar.

You can get away with a lot when you're 19. Briefly.
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Track75
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I don't smoke, I never have. I don't like being in a smoky room or downwind of a smoker outside. I enjoy the smoke-free bars and restaurants in other states. I enjoyed the OWG when it was smoke-free and would sometimes go there mainly for that reason. No smoky clothes for the laundry and no sore throat from a night in the bar.

But I'll be damned if I think it's my right to tell some private business owner that they HAVE to go smokeless. I'll tell them my preference, and I might factor the smokiness of a place in my decision of where to go, but it's their call to allow smoking or not. It's my call to patronize them or not.

I'd enjoy the lack of smoke in bars and restaurants if Michigan banned it, but that wouldn't justify it.
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Czar
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There are exceptions:

Keith
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3rdworldcity
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Track75: I agree w/ you to a certain extent. Midland County just passed an ordinance prohibiting smoking in all public places, except bars and restaurants. That's fine w/ me because people concerned about second hand smake can just not patronize them. Smoking in true public places such as airports, theaters, arenas and malls etc should be prohibited and the prohibitions should be enforced. There's so many bars and restaurants most people have choices. Most other public places they do not.

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