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Andylinn
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Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 9:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

do you cats happen to know what the downtown office worker population is? i have hear from various sources that it is constantly shrinking, however in kwame's budget, the mayor said that the offices downtown are doing well... 90% occupancy rate, new construction? who do i believe... I am, as always, hesitant to believe kwame kill... but i really really want to!
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 3529
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Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 9:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The last number I saw was from sometime in the mid 90's that had the downtown daytime population at 75,000, but I'm not exactly sure of the year, or what they include as "downtown." It could have been just the CBD, or the CBD, Midtown, New Center, and all of the adjacent neighborhoods.
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Livernoisyard
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Post Number: 428
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Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 10:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"do you cats happen to know what the downtown office worker population is? i have hear from various sources that it is constantly shrinking, however in kwame's budget, the mayor said that the offices downtown are doing well... 90% occupancy rate, new construction? who do i believe... I am, as always, hesitant to believe kwame kill... but i really really want to!"


Remember the time a while back when KK publicly stated that the city's bond rating was in fine shape...

By the very next day, one of the three major bond rating firms downgraded the city's shaky bond rating.

I harbor the same type of doubts when the auto firms' higher executives like Lutz, et al., said they were doing OK the past year or so.

Sometimes, it's best not drawing any more attention to the problems lest the security analysts start snooping around.

(Message edited by livernoisyard on April 15, 2006)
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Jsmyers
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Post Number: 1614
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Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 10:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

90% occupancy for class A office.

There is a lot of vacant lower class office space
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Zulu_warrior
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 12:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a variance in the stats...here's why.

Public Safety Officials place the Detroit Population at noon right at 2 million, but this would include workers not in the CBD, so this includes DPS staff, WSU staff, Hospital Systems, and other federal, state, and city workers.

The CBD number of course would be far shorter than 2M and would be in general shrinking given GM, EDS, The City, Compuware and financial institutions cuts.

Plus the occupancy rate and the number of people dont necessatily correlate. A rented office down town doest necessarily give lots of people.
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Andylinn
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 6:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess i am mostly interested in whether the downtown "office population" is shinking, stable, or growing... with compuware, rock financial?, and visteon, etc... can it be shrinking? .andy.
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Renf
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Post Number: 40
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 10:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Census 2000 counted 319,000 people who lived in the
USA and reported the city of Detroit as their place of employment. The Census Bureau's new American
Community Survey will soon begin reporting this
number on an annual basis.
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Andylinn
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 3:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

thank you. i'm just curious... a vital downtown that is no longer shrinking is a good sign and a start...
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Iheartthed
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Post Number: 15
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 7:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A year or so ago, I heard it was more like 55,000. In the area bounded by the river, I-375 the Lodge and the Fisher Fwy.

I forgot what the source was, but I'm very sure of that number. I doubt it has jumped much farther than that in the amount of time since I read it.
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Dougw
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 7:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is important to have the boundaries defined, though. The stat on how many people work in the City of Detroit is somewhat useless when compared to how many work downtown (typically defined as the CBD), since the City of Detroit is about 100 times the size of the CBD. (CBD = the area that Iheartthed defined.)

I'm also curious about how the CBD numbers have been doing over the years.
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 3536
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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 8:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just found something on Wikipedia, that relates to this. Wiki states that the daytime population of Midtown Detroit surpasses 50,000. That may be helpful later when we're calculating the daytime population of the greater downtown area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M idtown,_Detroit
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Paulmcall
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Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 8:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Depends if a ball game is being held too.
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 3547
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Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 8:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sporting events and conventions are not counted in any populations. They are the most temporary of the temporary populations.
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Livernoisyard
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Post Number: 431
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Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 9:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I just found something on Wikipedia, that relates to this. Wiki states that the daytime population of Midtown Detroit surpasses 50,000. That may be helpful later when we're calculating the daytime population of the greater downtown area."

For the benefit of anybody who is as yet unaware: Anybody can post to Wikipedia, similar to what goes on this forum. Even LMichigan could, but that copy would quite likely need to be subsequently edited by another volunteer. [However, I would "stet" it if up to me, though--just for laughs--as I have enough copy and SME editing to do.]

So, when going to Wikipedia for information, caveat emptor. Its accuracy and veracity are usually "good enough for government work," though.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 9:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I realize that, but it was more than I've been able to find anywhere else, and it seems to match up with a number flying around here.
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Livernoisyard
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Post Number: 432
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Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 10:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was only messing with you. It would have been directed to anyone who just happened to cite data from Wiki, BTW. In that respect, I'm an equal-opportunity basher...

I use Wikipedia all the time, while realizing its limitations. At least you cited the source of your figures instead of simply making them up as the NOW crowd and other radiclib groups did for the past few decades.
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Jerome81
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 1:41 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interestingly, I heard on the history channel last night about the 1906 quake here in SF that there are 400,000 workers that arrive in SF from outside the city every day. Don't know if that is the financial district or all of SF.
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Andylinn
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Post Number: 15
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 3:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is there somewhere we could find an office building occupancy rate? .andy.
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Harmonie
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Post Number: 572
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 3:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In "Reality vs. Perceptions: An Analysis of Crime and Safety in Downtown Detroit" prepared by the Michigan Metropolitan Information Center, WSU and DMCVB the employment base of the Downtown Visitor's Area (375-75-10-Detroit River) was 73,849 in 2004.
Entire document can be found here:
www.tedconline.com/uploads/DMCVB_June_Final_Report.pdf

(Message edited by Harmonie on April 18, 2006)

(Message edited by Harmonie on April 18, 2006)
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 3553
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Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cool! That matches up with the 75,000 number I found for the mid-90's. It looks like it hasn't changed much, which is fine seeing as how many thought it was declining. It just looks like its stagnant.

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