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Darwinism
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI CS/04/12/griffin.conyers/

Why does Detroit put itself in a negative light again ?
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Oldredfordette
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Why is Conyers getting harassed when he's trying to expose the president's douchebaggery?
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Itsjeff
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Wake me when Conyers accepts money from Abramoff. Until then, this doesn't raise to the level of "scandal."
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Atl_runner
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while it's not a scandal, it is wrong. It's a misuse of taxpayers money. That is illegal. Again, it's not a big deal, but it should be investigated, and if he did wrong, then he needs to accept responsibility and move on. These days, when a politician does wrong, i'd be happy with them accepting responsibility, admitting it was wrong, and apologizing.

Being in the heart of the Cynthia McKinney 'scandal' down here, seeing her blame hitting the security guard on race etc, that's just sick. There is a right and wrong way to handle these things.
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1953
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Impeach Conyers!
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Jonesy
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John or Monica?
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Jjaba
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Much ado about nothing.
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The_rock
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"Nothing" is right. He has always been an ineffectual Congressman, and maybe sometime when he finallly goes off into the sunset, his constitients will finally get some one who will go to Washington and do what he or she is elected to do, i.e. REPRESENT his constituents, not spend most of his time out of DC, , flying around the country, making speeches and going abroad and spending the taxpayer's money. He just doesn't seem to get it. Too long in the public trough..
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Mcp001
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{Sarcarm mode: ON}

But I want my representative go use his taxpayer paid office staff to work on pet projects like running personal errands...

{Sarcarm mode: OFF}
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Ilovedetroit
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My impression is that he is a very well respected congressman in DC. I don't have a thing against him then again my congresswoman is CC Kilpatrick...so I dont know what he does or doesnt do. But like itsjeff says...when he is connected with Bush scandals then I will get involved.
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Livedog2
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What's new? Yawn!

Livedog2
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Chitaku
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Funny it came out as the same time he's trying to get the pres. impeached. Kinda shady if you ask me that his people would just all come out and diss him. Never trust the mainstream media!
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Gistok
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Although Conyers has always had his share of critics, his seniority makes him the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee.

And if the Democrats do possibly take over the House of Representatives in the fall 2006 elections (a big "if"), then (if he's well thought of by his Democratic peers) he will likely be the next Judiciary Committee Chairman.

And where do presidential impeachment hearings on Capitol Hill ALWAYS get started..... in the House Judiciary Committee!
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Jiminnm
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This story has been kicking around for months, and it's been previously reported. It's nothing new.
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1953
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Impeach all the Conyers!
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Lmichigan
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Politics as usual, though, compared to the Republican scandals currently flying around Congress, this is tame in comparison. I have a feeling that this will be nothing more than a bump in the road for him, especially considering Congressmen and women have done far worse and retained their seats. They might as well strike at Conyers while they still can. And, yes, if the Dem do come into power, Conyers will be calling for Bush's head, no doubt. Modern politics is nothing more than a revenge game, and it looks like the Dems are setting up for an end game with Bush.
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Irish_mafia
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John Conyers is he a crook or just inept?

Story at 11.
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Angry_dad
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both?

or just a politician.
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Rugbyman
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You have to be kidding me. If anyone really thinks that no other politicians in the federal government use their staffers as "personal assistants" on the taxpayer's dime, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

When was the last time you kissed your boss's ass? Laughed at his jokes? Stayed late when you didn't want to? Carried his golf bag at the course? It's just like that in this case, except this person apparently didn't get the promotion they were looking for and went public with their grievances.

And don't give me the "it's on the tax payers' dime" line. If you were really that concerned about corruption and waste of your tax dollars, you'd have voted people like Knollenberg or the late McNamara out a long time ago.
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Lmichigan
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Well, just because everyone else does it doesn't make it right, and if you're caught, you're caught.

With all of that said, it's obvious, though, that this is a political smear tactic aimed at hitting Conyers before he can get to the president, if he even gets to him. And, again, with more and more serious scandals flying around on the other side of the aisle, this looks like small change, and will be treated as such. We're not talking insider trading (majority leader Bill Frist), bribery (Duke Cunningham), just plain corruption (Tom DeLay)...and so on. This is but a bump in the road, in comparison, which may get a censure, at the very worst.
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River_rat
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Last month we had the same thread on the ineffective lightweight congressman from Detroit. He is simply an annoyance (to both sides of the aisle) inside the beltway with his blather.

To answer Irish mafia, inept, and if the Dems take the House, they will not place him as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

If you wonder why Detroit has such a difficult time securing federal funds, think Conyers, Kilpatrick, etc.



the river rat and beltway insiders snicker
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Ilovedetroit
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"impeach all the conyers"

I don't know Monica Conyers seems pretty good so far. What does anyone else think?
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Lmichigan
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River Rat, it is good the "Beltway Insiders" and yourself underestimate the rising tide, it will be all the more satisfying when the tide takes you, and your out-of-touch "Beltway Insiders" back to the sea, and away where you can cause less damage. It wouldn't be the first time the "Let them eat cake" crowd was judged accordingly, and shown that the jokes on them. Your arrogance is not surprising, but, ironically annoying. It's funny you try to attach some kind of pride to being a Washington insider, a description negatively stigmatized for all of the right reasons.
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Souldrummer
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Where do you guys get all your bad info and dirt on John Conyers? I always thought he was pretty upstanding in the community and in the House. What am I missing?
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Broken_main
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You know, all of this BS only pops up after these people lose their job, then they start crying foul play. I bet she wasn't saying anything while she was living cushy up in his house doing nothing but getting paid to let a couple of kids run around tearing shit up...for 6 weeks.
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Ilovedetroit
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hahaha you are so right Broken.
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Jimg
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After 40 years this is what comes out? Wow.
No sex scandal? No bribery or corruption charges? No dishonesty or ethics compromise? No questionable business dealings?

He's obviously unfit for public service.
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Jfre66_77
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While all of this isn't earth shattering news, the thing that I find disturbing is the nonchalant attitude so many people have about things like this.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the argument "Well - Bush sucks, so why should I care if Conyers is using his congressional staff as babysitters and valets?"

We should care about this, because we as taxpayers are footing the bill for it. Whether or not the president is ineffectual or just plain inept does not excuse the rest of our elected officials from their responsibilities, nor does it give them license to use their congressional staff as personal servants.

While we are talking apples and oranges when it comes to comparing Bush's questionable leadership to John Conyers having one of his congressional staff babysit for him for 6 weeks, that doesn't give Conyers a free pass to do whatever he pleases.

While I am no apologist for either party, to a large extent the leadership that the President provides, and the direction they attempt to steer the country in is largely based on political philosophy, of which there will always be a difference of opinions and views. The things Conyers is alleged to have done are based on rules and laws that are pretty clearly defined. Bush might be a bad president, he might be the worst one we ever had, or he may be a great president, or he might just be mediocre, like most of them tend to be. But, regardless of you feel about that, it doesn't mean that we can just overlook everything that everyone else is doing.

(Message edited by Jfre66_77 on April 18, 2006)
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Warriorfan
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Actually, there are more serious ethics charges leveled against Conyers, namely that he used Congressional staffers to work on his re-election campaign, his wife's campaigns for state senate and city council, and the political campaigns of other local Democrats. Those are far more serious charges than the babysitting accusations. And more than one former Conyers staffer has come forward to claim that they were doing campaign work for Conyers, his wife, and other politicians on the taxpayer's dime.

http://www.hillnews.com/thehil l/export/TheHill/News/Frontpag e/030106/news2.html
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Morena
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Elect State Sen. Buzz Thomas as your next U.S. Rep.
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Susanarosa
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Well, he already admitted in front of a worldwide audience that he and his colleagues don't read what's before them in Congress, so...how can anyone really be "shocked" by this?
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Oldredfordette
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I don't believe that in a time when John Conyers is leading the way to impeaching the WORST PRESIDENT EVER, that it's not a plan to derail his plans by making him look bad. I don't believe this is a coincidence and it's the way Karl Rove operates.
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Warriorfan
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^^^^^^

Allegations of ethical misconduct by Conyers dates back to 1998 and concerns staffers activities from 1997-2002. I can't really see how you can blame Bush for this one, unless Bush is some sort of psychic who realized that he must lay the groundwork for discrediting Conyers 2 years before he even became President.
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River_rat
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Lmichigan, far from being an "beltway insider", I think we should toss the whole lot of them out. Conyers, and almost everyone currently in office for the messes we are in. Federal, state and local. I am simply pointing out the fact that the real insiders treat our local area badly because of who we send to represent us (and I certainly don't mean by party affiliation). Very respected by everyone is our US Senator Levin. (See Time magazine today). He is a rare politician, good to the core.

the river rat, a real beltway outsider
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Lmichigan
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This is spoken of so non-chalantly because we've come to accept the fact that politicians (since human history began) are allowed some level of corruption. Conyers, by comparions to many other of his colleagues looks almost squeeky clean. He'd have to be in much deeper than this for me to call for something as serious as a resignation or impeachment (if that's even possible to a member of Congress). If you find the nonchalant talk so disturbing, I find it just as absurd that people are calling for something as foolish as a resignation. Get real. You can take Bush out of this entire picture, and it still doesn't change the fact that Conyer's problems pale in comparison to the other scandals flying around Congress, and deservedly so.
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River_rat
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Lmichigan, so we should tolerate minor scandals? Sort of like how we tolerate minor criminals in Detroit. The more you tolerate, the more you get. Haven't we learned that yet?


the river rat
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Drdetroit
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river is comparing John Conyer's staff watching his kids to minor criminals in Detroit. A mind is a terrible thing to waste!
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Lmichigan
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Whether we should tolerate minor examples of unethical business is another post for another thread, I just find it that the current crop of Republicans have supported their own serious ethical offenders (DeLay, Cunningham, Abramoff...) with an ironic fervency.

Calling for the resignation and impeachment of Conyers is both ridiculous and ironic. The Congress has its own modes of reprimandation for these relatively minor ethical offenses (censure, for one). What I see, here, is a lot of petty politics being played. If Conyers is found to be deeply involved in some major crime, than I hope that he is prosecuted like any other, but, at the moment, his ethics issues pale in comparison to anything other scandal that's made news.
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Jfre66_77
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Accepting the fact that corruption does happen and condoning it are two different things. Murder happens, we all accept that fact. Does that make it ok?

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