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Genesyxx
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Post Number: 486
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 1:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Eastsidedog
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Post Number: 251
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 1:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd take the Apple store but F the rest.

Seriously Genesyxx, you already know the answer to that question. We don't need another flaming "why can't Detroit have what the suburbs have" thread.
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Royce
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Post Number: 1589
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Posted From: 69.208.124.177
Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 1:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't Lakeside Mall on Hall Road(20 mile rd.)? Couldn't some of the smaller stores occupy Lakeside? How far is this new mall from Lakeside?

Isn't Somerset at Big Beaver(16 mile rd.)? Isn't there a Nordstrom's there? I know Somerset is in Troy, but Troy is next to Sterling Heights, which is in Macomb County. How far would this new mall be from Somerset?

This mall just seems unnecessary. People in Macomb County are that far away from Somerset that they need their own Nordstrom's? Given the fact that they live around Hall Rd.(20 mile road), it would seem that driving to Somerset wouldn't be such a big deal since they live so far from everything anyway.
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Jfried
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 1:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Royce, have you ever been to this part of Macomb County? There are tons of high income households already, but the are is growing very rapidly. This mall is being developed because of the number of people living in the area (or projected to live in the area) and the high incomes these people have. Not to mention the nearly 100k cars that pass on a daily basis.
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lakeside to Somerset is around 15 miles, and they're not easy miles.

The developed area of Macomb county in that area extends out to 26 mile road to the north, and past 94 on the east. For those people, the drive to Somerset would be much farther.
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Ndavies
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Get more affluent people to move into the city and you'll get development like this.
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Naturalsister
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Post Number: 596
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Royce,

You're a smart guy - trust that these corporations have done their research and the numbers support them opening these establishments.

This is America! An unnecessary mall???

Macomb county: Spends $412,326,000 annually.
Has: Population of 805,103

(from the US Chamber of Commerce website, Nov 2004)

later - naturalsister
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Jt1
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NaturalSister - Do you have a link for that or can you check the numbers for the 3 counties and Detroit?

(Message edited by jt1 on April 19, 2006)
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Gambling_man
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Post Number: 704
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Posted From: 199.178.193.5
Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 2:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

90,000 square feet isn't very large at all for a regional mall?!? PS, the stores mentioned here aren't even close to the stores at Somerset South......Parisian is a crappy version of Hudson's...there is already one in Livonia.
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Treelock
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Post Number: 103
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 3:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ahhh...... another sprawling retail development I'll never visit
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Rsa
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 4:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

what gets me is that they're touting this as such an economic gain for the area; like we're gaining new, additional retailers that we haven't had before. in reality, this new mall will just cannibalize stores and shoppers from existing malls on that side of town. same thing happened on the west side...
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Jfried
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 4:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Reading comprehension gambling man - 90 stores 640,000 sq ft.

I argued this before, but this is not like the stuff on the westside. This is essecially infil development (on an old golf course). Taubman just as easily could have dropped this development at 26 mile and really contributed to the sprawl in the area. Instead, we have a large, upscale mall on the edge of an area that has been close to built out for over 10 years. Hopefully the mall will help to revitalize the aging Clinton Township and city of Mount Clemens. Mount Clemens has become a huge entertainment center for the east side, and now, with more upscale shopping locating in the area, the revitalizaiton of the area will more than likely speed up.
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Jt1
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 4:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speaking of Taubman - Didn't he claim awhile back that he wanted to be in on some Detroit projects? I recall reading something along those lines in an artcile about the riverfront redevelopment.

It may have just been a case of him stating that there is an abundance of opportunity, not that hw was to be in involved in the projects.
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Swingline
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 5:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There has been a need for this kind of high-end retail in Macomb County for many years. For the size of its population, Macomb County is a barren wasteland when it comes to retail, restaurant and entertainment options that households with significant income demand. It's been hard to understand how developers have been selling homes to the well-heeled in those expensive subdivisions in Shelby, Macomb and Washington townships in the absence of nearby upscale "lifestyle" amenities.
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Erikd
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 10:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This new mall is a mile down the street from Lakeside Mall. Good luck to the retalers in Lakeside once this place opens up.
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 11:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know if this is really "progress" as the thread title suggests, and if it is then it is just your typical suburban consumerist style of progress. Anyhow, downtown's day will come. We are already seeing some chains downtown...Brooks Brothers, Borders, Coldstone, Hard Rock, CVS; don't worry, there will be more clothing stores joining the ranks in 5-10 years. I can see a GAP somewhere along Merchant's Row, piggy-backing on the development after plans are announced for the Woodward and/or Statler Block. Things of this nature will be coming.

We want the draw of suburbanites downtown, and the tax revenue, that chain stores bring, but we don't want too many chains. Ann Arbor is about the right mix. For every chain there seems to be a local small-business. And many of the chains, especially for restaurants like Potbelly, Cosi, or Pizza House, are only locals ones.

Macomb County: wasteland dotted by places where people can dump thier money in the name of progress....for Detroit, let us hope for something better.
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Hysteria
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Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 11:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well said Mackinaw, as usual.
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Jerome81
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 4:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have it correct that metro detroit population is mostly stagnant, right?

if so, where are the people with big incomes living in macomb county coming from?
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Lmichigan
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Post Number: 3567
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 67.172.95.197
Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 5:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, it's slowing down, definitely. And, the life of these newer sprawlburbs is much less than the older ones (like Warren and Livonia). They are not being allowed to establish, which is why you see a place like Novia already becoming yesterday's news. Today it is Canton, Macomb Township, this, that, and the other. I figure that it 5 years, the population will be even more dispersed with an even slower inward migration to the metro.

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