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Oliverdouglas
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 1:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I read in Bagley Community newsletter about project to create a median down Livernois between 8-Mile and Fenkel. Anybody know any details?
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Jjaba
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 1:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you referring to Fenkell? (The street formerly known as 5 Mile Road.)

Welcome to the Forum. Happy Trails.

jjaba.
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Jltyler
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 1:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They've had this project in the works for at least 3 years. The money to do this was state grant money that if not used was going to go back to the state. The barrells are out on livernois right now and I was told construction will start in 2 weeks.

It is supposed to help the buisness by establishing slanted parking and slower the traffic.

To late for our store though were going out of buisness now and have been on the avenue of fashion for 10 years.
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Oliverdouglas
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 1:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, Fenkell. I grew up in Livonia where it is known as Five Mile - still how I think of it, 'tho I've lived in the city for twenty years now.
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Bvos
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 2:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's a ridiculously wide road in that area. I'm glad to see that they're narrowing it down and adding on street parking. The boulevards should also allow for safer and easier pedestrian crossing.
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Rocket_city
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 2:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is good news to hear. I've been meaning to get up to the "Avenue of Fashion" area for some time now. I'm excited that Livernois will be treated in this area. There's a lot of wealth in the surrounding areas creating a lot of potential for increased development and prosperity.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 2:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rocket_city, welcome to the Forum.

jjaba, Westsider on the Livernois bus crossing W. Outer Drive going to Bakers.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 2:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just passed orange cones out left window. (Did you know they are the State Flower of Ohio?) Ride I-75 or the Ohio Pike. jjaba rests his case.

jjaba, bought a car at Packer Pontiac on Livernois.
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Tayshaun22
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 3:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Are you referring to Fenkell? (The street formerly known as 5 Mile Road.)

Welcome to the Forum. Happy Trails.

jjaba.




Sorry jjaba, they've changed it to "Fenkel" in the past 30 years that you haven't lived in Detroit.
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Bvos
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 4:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Who's "they"? The street signs all still say Fenkell.
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Detroit313
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 6:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anytime frame for the change to a blvd? That area has alwasy looked beautiful. I went to middle school over there and I think making it a 4 lane blvd would /could create more small business and make the area even more appealing. Great idea!313
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Royce
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 6:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The narrowing of Livernois is necessary, especially between Seven Mile and Eight Mile. However, instead of just putting a median down the middle of the street, they need to widen the sidewalks. This would attract any restaurants interested in having outdoor seating.
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Jsmyers
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 6:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good idea Royce.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 8:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Royce thinks Livernois goes Royal Oak. LOL.

jjaba.
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Dettitan
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Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 9:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I noticed the orange barrels the other day and it is the first thing I thought about because I once heard a rumor that they were thinking about doing that. I wish it would go from 8 mile all the way down to Fenkel. But as it stands currently, the barrels start at Florence St., which is the entrance to University of Detroit (Mercy, argh!).

The barrels end before 7 mile at Margareta St. and the End Road Work sign is just past 7 mile. So as it stands right now, the median will only be just over a mile long. I hope they extend it at least to the Lodge and at least to 8 Mile.

I also hope they get rid of the "Cobra head" lighting fixtures and install new street lamps as well as replacing the hanging traffic signals with the ones on posts. I really want to see all of this done because it will help to spruce up the area around U of D.

I heard originally that they wanted it to end at 6 mile, but the University petitioned for it to come further south.

Here is a link to an image that I made of where the contruction is at currently. At first they only had the center turn lane, and one lane on northbound Livernois blocked off. Now they have 3 lanes, the center and one on each side.

http://img135.imageshack.us/im g135/4793/construction5pl.jpg
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Tomoh
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Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is great news. Detitan, thanks for the map... does the big red box mean they are fixing up that area just north of 7 Mile? That business district seems to just be crying out for some outdoor cafe life. If only Outer Drive between Livernois and Wyoming were a more solid retail or mixed use road... Detroit could really use more neighborhoods with parallel retail streets less than half a mile apart.
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Chow
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Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've seen some renderings of the project, along with some redevelopments the DCDC has planned for the area. It will be a huge boost for the area.

That stretch has the potential to become a resturant/retail destination for the surrounding neighborhoods.
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Dettitan
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Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 12:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tomoh, The red box is approx. where the sign that said "End of Road Work" and where the speed limit went back up to 35 mph is.

Chow, could you dig up the renderings for us if you remember where you found them...if they are online of course. I would love to see them as I am in that area so often, and often wish for many improvements.
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Dnvn522
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Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 9:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The project will run all the way to 8 Mile. The original plans for the project had it starting at McNichols, but it might have been extended to the University after the project was bid.
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Dettitan
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Posted on Friday, April 21, 2006 - 6:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wish it would run at least to Puritan. That is where are campus block starts, although that is only the dorms and student parking. Having it start at the University address I am sure was a nice comprise though, and will make the area look alot better.
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Eric_c
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Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 12:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sort of thought running the boulevard to Puritan would help, too. There are a bunch of new homes and condos going up in Pilgrim Village, just barely east of Livernois off Puritan.

I agree too, it should be extended to the Lodge. I'll take what I can get, though.
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Michigansheik
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Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 10:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i think that's a great start out in some neighborhoods.....downtown is chugging along, lets get the hoods going.
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Udmphikapbob
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Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 10:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

from what i understand, plans call for it to go to the Lodge...but the one neighborhood where lots of people vote is north of mcnichols - so that area gets done first. i think they will need more funding approved to extend it south to the freeway. they also made the island smaller than initially planned, and they don't yet have the money for landscaping it.
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Genesyxx
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Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 3:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm still on the fence about this though. I mean, Livernois is already crowded and cutting it down a lane won't help out. Plus there always seems to be problems with the water pipes (hence the huge potholes south of McNichols. Can you imagine if they shut lanes down here?
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Jsmyers
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Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 6:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think they are going to removing lanes.

But there is no reason people should be driving down a city street at 45 mph. This median can do a lot to help the area IMHO. The cars have to be encouraged to slow down. Maybe if it takes a little longer to get to Northland or RO, or if you don't fear the cars from the sidewalk, more residents will shop there.
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Genesyxx
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Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 8:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Not really. I attended the meeting with Sheila Cockrel a couple of months ago. The design basically calls for a grass median in the middle while keeping left turning lanes (a la W. Outer Drive). Parking is still allowed on the right lanes. I do agree that this will slow people down, but for those who have driven on Livernois, we know that those parallel parkers hold everyone up.
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Jsmyers
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Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Those parallel parked cars also help keep the businesses going and protect pedestrians from cars. They are more important than the median.

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