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321brian
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Username: 321brian

Post Number: 134
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 68.62.6.147
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.clickondetroit.com/ money/9015310/detail.html

Maybe we should try: A County Without Illegal Immigrants.

It's not like Mexico needs U.S. dollars. Canucun, Acapulco, Cabo....I'm sure places like that can find some other way to make money other than tourism.

There are also so many great Mexican companies with superior products that if they drive out U.S. companies will be happy to employ those left unemployed.

Seriously, this is getting out of control.
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Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 591
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 209.69.221.253
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, I think the xenophobia is getting out of control.
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Jsmyers
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Username: Jsmyers

Post Number: 1669
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 209.131.7.68
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Many of those places get a lot of their tourist money from Europe.

But explain this logic:

Many Latin American countries are poor, so their residents come to the US, so let's make them poorer. That will get those ______ (favorite ignorant term) out of our hair.

The only thing out of control is the sentement that new immigrants are somehow any different than the previous 3 hundred years of immigrants to this country.
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Tayshaun22
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Username: Tayshaun22

Post Number: 104
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 69.14.101.116
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 5:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LEGAL immigrants built the US, LEGAL LEGAL LEGAL.
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Jams
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Username: Jams

Post Number: 3175
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 68.79.99.149
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 6:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You might like to discuss that with a few Native Americans (or in Canada First Nations), they may have a different opinion.
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Upinottawa
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Username: Upinottawa

Post Number: 323
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 198.103.184.76
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 6:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

INS: keeping Americans safe from illegals since 1492.
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Rasputin
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Post Number: 3600
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 68.249.236.154
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damn, this schitt is fdunny .... ALL y'all MoFOs are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS .... ask the 1st Nations People. In addition you're all crooks or descendents of CROOKS!!

Black-atcha ..... watching HBs post
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Zulu_warrior
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Username: Zulu_warrior

Post Number: 2768
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 64.12.116.204
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Forced migration built this country- slaves, serfs, slavs.
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Karl
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Username: Karl

Post Number: 2111
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 72.25.177.194
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's not call bank robbers "bank customers"

Plug the leaky borders first.
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Gildas
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Username: Gildas

Post Number: 588
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 69.216.100.1
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ras,

Your right we should give the earth back to the dinosaurs.

Wait, you mean their gone...things change...damn it.
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Livernoisyard
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Username: Livernoisyard

Post Number: 545
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 69.242.223.42
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Two things to remember about "native" Americans:

(1) The linguistic evidence tends to support that they originally emigrated from Mongolia. The last time I glanced at a globe, Mongolia was still in Asia, some considerable distance from North America. So they're really Asians, just like Caucasians.

(2) What about the more "native" of the "native" Americans who got pushed out or killed by the ones who just happened to be around when they too got pushed around? So all of a sudden, any "natives" should be elevated to sainthood by the radiclib left (seemingly overpossessed with a distorted view of "revisionist" history), even if they might have been a clan of murderous thugs in their own right?

(Message edited by LivernoisYard on April 26, 2006)
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Tayshaun22
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 69.14.101.116
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ras... how are we crooks?
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Irish_mafia
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Username: Irish_mafia

Post Number: 477
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 69.222.54.70
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"You might like to discuss that with a few Native Americans (or in Canada First Nations), they may have a different opinion."

They lost the war. The winners took the spoils. No sympathy...besides, now they have tax-free Casinos....let me lose a friggin war....oh yeah we did... and now we are breeding our way to the majority in Northern Ireland.

Please feel free to stop in my new Casino in Belfast in 2026 (about the the time that the MotorCity Mayor takes over).

Its a beautiful thing!
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Salvadordelmundo
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Username: Salvadordelmundo

Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 69.241.236.181
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A Mexican boycott of American companies makes no sense; the American business community is one of the strongest pro-immigrant forces in US politics.
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Barnesfoto
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Username: Barnesfoto

Post Number: 1918
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 66.2.148.118
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As i sit on land once occupied by the Pottowatomies, who recieved no compensation for their land and were forced to leave Detroit at gunpoint, (today we call that "armed robbery),
I have to ask this again.
Why don't those obsessed with illegal immigrants boycott products that are the fruit of illegal immigrant labor? Most of the produce in the US and much of the meat is handled by illegal immigrant hands.
By raising your own food, or buying from the Amish, you could truly say that you are not contributing to what you call a problem.

Barnesfoto, who counts one ancestor, a certain Winslow, that came on the Mayflower without papers or passport. (Today we call that "illegally").
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1953
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Username: 1953

Post Number: 773
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 65.54.155.41
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I am not mistaken, the Pottowamies were migrants, invited by Detroit's early leaders. They stole the land from the Iroquois. Seems like they got their just desserts.

Anyways, since there was no unified nation on the continent when the pioneers took it from the Indians, they were not illegal immigrants. Only people who violate immigrations rules established by the nation - the U.S. - are illegals.

And, oh yeah, illegals enter the country while many others wait patiently around the globe to come to the U.S. So, they can contribute all they want; they are still harming millions by their actions.
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Mike
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Username: Mike

Post Number: 593
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 24.176.55.141
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The wealth of this nation was built through slavery. This nation has founded by immigrants, immigrants and minorities have sustained its growth.

And now we are going to close the door? Lets fix the real issues behind out problems, not scapegoat immigrants.
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Cheddar_bob
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Username: Cheddar_bob

Post Number: 602
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 69.246.74.205
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, these god damn illegals are harming millions. Somebody should stop these bastards from coming here, working hard, paying taxes, harvesting your food, and supporting the economy. And to think these fuckers are taking advantage of being on the same continent, literally within sight of the American Dream.
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Cheddar_bob
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Post Number: 603
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 69.246.74.205
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Getting to the boycott on Monday, it won't work so don't you Xenophobes get bent out of shape. Whatever they don't buy on Monday, they will need to buy two of on Tuesday.
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Kova
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Username: Kova

Post Number: 231
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 69.212.57.86
Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

just FYI guys the "war" you speak of was more like "wars" and more like ok we kicked your ass, now live here. A few years later, well you can't live here and i know we signed this treaty but we are going to have to kick your ass again. And repeat that process for about 120 years or so.
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Futurecity
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Username: Futurecity

Post Number: 273
Registered: 05-2005
Posted From: 69.212.211.154
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:03 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's see, someone leaves the familiarity of their home, their family and friends, risks their life to travel vast distances to a far-away and unfamiliar place, just to work extemely hard for low pay, all to make a better life for themselves and their family?

Hmmm....sounds like exactly the kind of people we want.
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Ray
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Username: Ray

Post Number: 678
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 68.42.220.37
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:08 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The weath of America was built on its adherence to free market principles and limited, relatively uncorrupt government.

You'd think educated Westerners would get the free market after enjoying unprecedented economic gains for 250 years, but like stupid spoiled children they prefer to rant and rave against the system that feeds, clothes and houses them (even the "poor")at a level that people 250 years ago could hardly dream of.
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Ray
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Post Number: 679
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Posted From: 68.42.220.37
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ras, if the wealth of America was built on slavery, why did the South so significantly lag the North in vitually every economic metric in the years leadig up to the civil war? Why did the country's output soar in the 50 years following the abolition of slavery?

I would argue that in addition to being a brutal crime against humanity, slavery was also highly inefficient as compared to a free labor market. On the whole it was wealth destroying, like every system that supresses the operation of free markets (including in this case the labor market).
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Aaron
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Username: Aaron

Post Number: 105
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 69.241.224.171
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:24 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always go into Rasputin's inane posts with some doubt, but the cute little clip art always convinces me he's right.
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321brian
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 68.62.6.147
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 7:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the whole they work hard, pay taxes is crap.

I have worked with a lot of legal and illegal Mexicans and from my experience they work very consistantly and they will work all day. So, I guess you could say they work hard like everyone else.

I also noticed that they pay VERY LITTLE taxes. They all claim 8 or 9 dependants which eliminates almost all state and federal taxes. I'm pretty sure they don't file in April with the rest of us either.
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Barnesfoto
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Username: Barnesfoto

Post Number: 1920
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 66.2.148.25
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 8:24 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you have any actual expamples? Or are you just And what about the sales, property and social security taxes that they pay?
"Anyways, since there was no unified nation on the continent when the pioneers took it from the Indians, they were not illegal immigrants. "
I love this sort of rationale. It's like saying "only us white guys deserve the privelege of private property, cause we're more organized, and besides, we kicked your ass.
But it simply shows that the whole argument of what is "legal" is one shaky soapbox indeed, and that was my point.
Ray talks about the free market, but there were an awful lot of subsidies involved in the creation of this country.
A couple examples: Massive land giveaways of land stolen from the indians (it's ok, they came from Mongolia, and besides they were fighting among themselves, and they were not using it correctly) and given to "settlers", and the creation of the interstate highway system.
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Outoftowner
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Username: Outoftowner

Post Number: 129
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 69.223.214.2
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 9:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What will the boycott really hurt, though? Only the most affluent Mexicans can afford to shop at Wal-Mart or dine at McDonalds. They're already boycotting the more upscale businesses due to economic reasons.
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Miss_cleo
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Username: Miss_cleo

Post Number: 177
Registered: 05-2005
Posted From: 69.47.85.139
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 9:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you guys are nuts, they come here Illegally and get FREE health care and tax breaks out their asses, they are better taken care of then people who were born here. Close the borders and TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN for once.

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