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Jt1
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Post Number: 7255
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Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=2006604270626

Nice to see some accuracy in reporting on occasion.


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For customers, there's another reason rates can change dramatically: Cities and townships tack on charges for maintenance, repairs and upgrades on the water and sewer lines they maintain. A Free Press survey of 13 suburbs found that some communities add as little as 10% to Detroit's rate. At least one, Ecorse, added enough to nearly quadruple Detroit's rate.




And for the hypocrite of the year award. Aren't city/county leaders always bitching that they want all the info possible. I guess that only works one way.


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Detroit's Water and Sewerage Department dropped a campaign to publicize the add-ons because of angry response from some suburban leaders.




And in the final little bit of info. The biggest complainers, Warren more than double the Detroit charge for water:

Warren charge from DWSD: $7.07. Local Mark up by the city of Warren: $15.67 or more than 2/3 of the total cost.

And another little side point to people like Perfect Gentleman. DWSD charge to Detroit for water - $12.63. Of the 13 communities listed 10 have lower costs from the city of Detroit. So how is Detroit using suburbs to subsidize Detroiters water?

I would like to hear from the 'Detroit is victimizing us with water rates' people since this article shows they are full of poop.
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Jt1
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Posted From: 198.208.251.23
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 12:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also only 20 (in 05-06) and 24 in (06-07) of 124 communities pay more for water than Detroit. Where is the outrage directed since rates are cheaper than the CoDs rates for their own customers.

Feel free to post questions and I will happily answer but it looks like there is some major misplaced anger when it comes to water in the region. I would advise those bitching contact their local governments and find out what the local mark up is.
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Ron
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 66.174.92.166
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen Jt, amen. Couple these statistics with the fact that they feel entitled to an ownership interest in the DWD simply because THEY PURCHASE GOODS FROM IT, and their position becomes asinine, at best.

I say that DWD should move forward with their campaign to highlight the increases that suburbs tack onto the wholesale rate.

The suburban legislators never decide to back down from legislation attempting to take over the DWD, so why should we?

It is disgusting, and is a prime example of the actions that are taken by elected officals to perpetuate the regional divide.
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Jt1
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Post Number: 7259
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also I find it interesting that inner rings pay about half of what Detroit pays for water.

Who is subsidizing the system again?
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Ron
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It is interesting, but rational when you take into account some of the factors they cited as affecting rates, i.e. distance to send, uphill transit, etc. The inner rings also have had the infrastructure much longer, so their costs are associated with simple maintenance of existing infrastructure, rather than devlopment of new.

The best argument I have seen for redevelopment of existing municipalities, ratther than the sprawl we are experiencing now. But alas, the "market" dictates it all.
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Jt1
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Post Number: 7261
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ron - I was talking about the city of Detroit paying almost double of their inner ring counterparts - not the further off suburbs.

Detroit pays 12.69 whereas most inner rings are in the 7-8 dollar range.
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Ron
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Post Number: 78
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gotcha. My bad.

But, of course, Detroit has to pay more as a result of all the waste and mismanagement (tongue in cheek).
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Hornwrecker
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Post Number: 1088
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Posted From: 63.41.40.167
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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Warren charge from DWSD: $7.07. Local Mark up by the city of Warren: $15.67 or more than 2/3 of the total cost.




Warren is one of the few burbs that has its own independent sewage treatment plant, I suspect that eats up a lot of the money.
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Jt1
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Post Number: 7262
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nope - Sewage numbers are completely independent. This is only for the water portion.
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Ron
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Makes more sense as to why they want a piece of the pie, huh?
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Jt1
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From graphic on article:

Sewage for Warren - DWSD charge: $0, Warren charge: $12.93.
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Hornwrecker
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 1:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I tried Warren's web site, but the Water Dept report only pulls up a blank page on my Firefox. Oh well, as long as the water bill is less than my beer bill, I'm content. Water rates here are still a bargain, even with the local markups.
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Detroit_stylin
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Post Number: 2664
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Posted From: 66.202.227.12
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 2:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jt1 did u really think someone was going to come in and try to refute evidence against their claims that Detroit is robbing them? C'mon now...you are taking away their scapegoat...
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Jt1
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Post Number: 7266
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 3:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just like to hear the crickets chirp when so many claim that Detroit is screwing everyone else with DWSD.
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Jt1
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Post Number: 7267
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Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 4:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hearing crickets.
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Track75
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Post Number: 2326
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Posted From: 12.75.22.10
Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 4:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


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DWSD charge to Detroit for water - $12.63. Of the 13 communities listed 10 have lower costs from the city of Detroit. So how is Detroit using suburbs to subsidize Detroiters water?


Isn't $12.63 the retail rate for Detroiters? As such, shouldn't you be comparing it to retail suburban rates, not wholesale rates? And even after you do that, it's not apples to apples since the fine print in the graphic explains that for some communities (particularly ones with low community charges), "** These communities also have additional flat fees for billing, operations and maintenance or meter charges that are added monthly or quarterly. Some communities also have special assessments for water or sewer projects or include projects in property taxes."

Still, virtually everyone on here understands your point so you may be hard pressed to get an argument.

Back to crickets...

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