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Toog05
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Just want to ask for your opinion of when will Detroit get its next tallest and how tall will it be.
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Viziondetroit
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... Let the games begin
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Lmichigan
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When Jesus and Kingdom comes, and/or when pigs fly, whichever happens to come first.

(Message edited by lmichigan on May 05, 2006)
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Bussey
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i think i saw an article about this in the Onion last week.
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Supersport
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MGM & Motor City Casinos, each 17 stories. After that, Greektown Casino at 30-35 stories.
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Danny
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When Detroit will get it's next tallest? By the year 2070.
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Goat
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Is that when the Centaurians arrive?
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Danny
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YES!
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Mountainman
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What if we took all the cars that GM wasn't selling and stacked them on top off one another, and slapped a revolving restuarant at the top? We could call it the George W. Bush View From the Top Saloon and Grill. It should serve middle-eastern food. If we did this, I think we would easy surpass the CN tower in Toronto and Kuala Lumpar Towers combined. Just a thought though.
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Toog05
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Our next tallest is the casinos, Harbortown, and Rock Financial if they move here
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Detroitduo
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Hey, Mountainman, The security detail and the food service would have to be run by Haliburton.
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The_nerd
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When I win the lottery and then make an unreal return on investment or...

When Bill Gates wants to be the new Donald Trump of tacky development
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Security provided by Dubai Ports World.
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Toog05
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Trump Tower will be next at 1200 feet in bout 10-15 years.
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Dmb
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Think positive, Detroit will see a new 1000ft Skyscraper years before the Lions ever win a Superbowl!
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Mind_field
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Even Nashville (of all places) has a 1,047 ft. tower proposed. I mean come on....Nashville can pull it off, yet Detroit can't (won't).
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Viziondetroit
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We don't need another extra tall scraper, I'll be happy with Book Tower, Broderick, Stott and such occupied and we have real foot traffic.
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Gthomas
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I will design Detroit's first 110-story skyscraper near gratiot and broadway area where all those surface parking lots are. Or either build on Woodward across from Fox theatre! Make that space useful. I have about three more years to graduate to become an architect, so look out for me DETROIT!
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Detroitplanner
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Downtown Detroit needs 8 to 12 story buildings to fill in the the holes. This would be much better for the city than another monster building. This would get people on the streets, distibute the transportation needs (ever been on Jefferson when the Ren Cen lets out?), and finding enough tennants to fill a giant building would just mean sucking tennants out of the older historic ones, meaning more rotting hulks.
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Oliverdouglas
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I love the scale of D.C., no real skscrapers. I human scale, but still a beautiful and interesting city.
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Detroitplanner
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OD, thats what I'm talking about, more of that type of development, I'm glad ya got it.
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Jjw
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I agree with Vizion---there are already many in stock and available in Detroit for rehab. Who needs a new one with many beautiful old ones just sitting around? I say the next tallest will be the train station off of Michigan Avenue.
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Gistok
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I also agree with OD... about Washington DC.... Paris is another city that is similar with few high rises (only the Eifel Tower and the Montparnasse Tower within the old city).
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Dougw
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Hard to say when Detroit will get its next tallest... maybe this guy will visit Detroit sometime soon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I mage:Tallest_living_man.jpg
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Jjw
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Great city skylines without tall buildings: Quebec City-----beautiful!
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Chitaku
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Quote "Even Nashville (of all places) has a 1,047 ft. tower proposed. I mean come on....Nashville can pull it off, yet Detroit can't (won't)."

Maybe that's why Jack White moved there?
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Toog05
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In about 20-30 years Detroit is going to have one of the best downtowns in the country!
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Lmichigan
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I predict Detroit will get its new tallest in the form of a 120-story parking garage with all of the bells and whistles and more...I predict it will be built in RiverEast flanked by 30-50 story parking structure to supplement it, along with a few 5-8 story apartment buildings. :-)
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^ At least they will be well lit unlike 60% of downtown Detroit's buildings.
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Jjw
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come to think of it---that would be appropriate---build the tallest parking structure in the world---and call it a fancy name---people will come from all over to see it
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Lmichigan
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lol! Yeah, all 6 of the parking structure enthusiast on the globe. I hope you're being sarcastic. :-)
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Detroitplanner
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"I predict Detroit will get its new tallest in the form of a 120-story parking garage with all of the bells and whistles and more...I predict it will be built in RiverEast flanked by 30-50 story parking structure to supplement it, along with a few 5-8 story apartment buildings."

You have to be joking right? (shudders at the thought of moving all of those people in and out, especially by car!)
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Lmichigan
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Of course! lol
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Deputy_mayor_2026
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Speaking of Bill Gates: he could buy and revitalize the entire city! He would become a national legend and basically leave his footprint on one of the oldest midwestern cities. Why couldn't he have been from Detroit?
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Hysteria
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On a smaller scale, I suppose the Detroit area had its own Bill Gates: Max Fisher.
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Bill Gates may not be from Detroit, but Larry Page, co-founder of Google, is almost from Detroit -- born in Lansing, schooled in Ann Arbor. Unfortunately, he didn't start Google in Detroit, he went out to Silicon Valley to do that. That's one brain we could've afforded not to let drain.
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Apbest
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letting one person own and control every development wouldnt be good...we want to build a base of capital and diverse new downtown. We dont want one persons vision controlling everything. but some $$ would be cool
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On a related note, Steve Ballmer, the current CEO of Microsoft, is from Detroit... and has more money than Larry Paige.

(Message edited by iheartthed on May 06, 2006)
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Wheen we do get another big one, I hope it looks very similar to One Atlantic Center in ATL

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/b u/?id=121138

as a compliment to Comerica Tower, perhaps called Two Detroit Center (to make Detroit Center a real center lol)
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Gistok
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Very interesting.... besides the top, One Atlantic Center looks nearly identical to the Comerica Tower with corner windows, etc. Although they built a parking structure on the site, I wouldn't mind a tower like this at the corner of Randolph & Larned (where "Two Detroit Center" was supposed to go).... so as to better tie the RenCen into the downtown skyline.
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Apbest
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yeah, I think eventually Two Detroit Center will be built, it was indefinitely postponed because of a lack of demand. I think that something in line w/ One Atlantic Center and a tall glass scraper, maybe on the westside of downtown would really balance out the skyline
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Lmichigan
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Mass transit needs to come, because there is no reason why the two huge tracts of land along Larned east of Comerica Tower should be two huge parking garages. They look so odd and out of place. That's prime real estate.
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Why should anyone build a tall building when you have 5 million sq. ft.. of unrented office space in the cbd alone?
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Viziondetroit
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Northend... I keep saying that same thing..
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Apbest
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thats why we are all saying that it wont happen until space gets occupied but you have to make the distinction between class A or B office space. Also large companies wanting a headquarters would need to build its own building to get the sq footage it needs...Also, what is your resource for that claim?
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Lmichigan
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Northend, is that total space including shuttered office buildings, or just usable office space on the market? Either way, it never hurts to dream. And, as Apbest put it, we're obviously talking in the future tense, here.
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Lmichigan, it only includes the vacant square footage in buildings that are trying to rent out. (shuttered bldgs are not included)
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Detroitplanner
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I'd have to agree with Northend. Lets worry about filling the space we currently have. The last time we opened a giant scale building (Ren Cen) it pretty much killed all of the other buildings downtown. Lets not kill any more or if you think downtown has a lot of parking lots now, you ain't seen nuttin'
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Lmichigan
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The thing is, there doesn't need to be a choice. A new tallest would almost certainly be Class A office space, as few other classes of office space are rarely built in the heart of downtown areas, anymore. From what I understand, while Class A space isn't currently at a low enough vacancy rate to warrant a new super tower, it may not be far off as many think.

This is why the "there are plenty of other buildings to fill" argument seems kind of friviolous to me. The rest of the office space that really needs to be filled downtown is that of Class B and C office space. Potential Class A-type tenants have a much more narrow market to look at downtown. This isn't an either/or. This isn't we must feel all Class B and C space before another tower is built.

Northend, what is downtown's Class A occupancy/vacancy percentage?
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Apbest
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Comerica (Detroit Center) could be considered a giant scale project, in 1991. The second tower was put on hold because of a lack of demand.

Damn Southfield Towne Center
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Detroit: Home of the World's Tallest Parking Structure.

Now that's Detroit for ya! Maybe it could have ground floor retail and a restaurant on top, with a drive thru of course!
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there has been a vision for a taller building. not sure when this was though

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/ cities/?buildingID=24325
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Tetsua
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The status of that tower is listed as "Fantasy". I'm pretty sure we'll never see this one.
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Lmichigan
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I've seen someone post this before (maybe it was you, Ksquared), but that is simply a fantasy drawing by a skyscraperpage member, not an actual proposal or vision for anywhere in Detroit, thus the use of the word 'fantasy.'
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Ksquared
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It's obvious that it will never be built, I was just responding to the topic of the thread, which is about fantasy. Both vision and fantasy deal with a person's imagination. If you want a more realistic response, there won't be a building pass the Ren Cen in atleast the next 30 years. There may be very few, if any, that will pass Greektown Casino's future tower, in that time, which is a good thing. The buildings already there need to be restored, the loss of that history will destroy the city. Then fill-in (depending on the site) with mid-rise.
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Naturalsister
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I love how so many posters throw around "the next 30 years". You all behave as if God is telling you this stuff.

Some of you remind me of the old dudes @ my uncle's barber shop (late 60's early 70's age group) who predict Detroit's death every other week.

There is room for pleasant suprizes, you know.
I've lived downtown for just over 7 years - and seeing it with my own eyes is a treat. Most folks I know thought I was completely nuts when I started talking about moving downtown in '96.

They get it know.


later - naturalsister
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Ksquared
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I never said Detroit was dying. If you look at where I said "the next 30 years," I was refering to a building passing the Ren Cen (which is the question for this thread).

Of all the cities I've been to and lived in, Detroit is better than them all. Detroit has more potential than any city in the country, and I believe it is the most important city in the country.

If you think that a 80-120 story building in the near future is a "pleasant surpise," I completely disagree. The little things that have been going on have been wonderful, but it will take a long time until the next tallest is built (my opinion, not something God told me). Like Northend posted, "Why should anyone build a tall building when you have 5 million sq. ft.. of unrented office space in the cbd alone?"
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Naturalsister
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So why did Compuware build new^^^^^^^?

Companies build what they want where they want it regardless of what other space is available. (provided they get the incentives desired)

It will take greater support of small business and their customers to the fill class B and C offices spaces that you all are talking about. The types of companies that generate skyscrapers are a totally different animal, and they don't want the current menu of office space in the CBD.

10 years ago, most would have bet their life savings that a Farmington Hills Software Developer with 2000+ employees would NEVER relocate to downtown Detroit.

later - naturalsister

P.S. K2 - don't be so paranoid, I didn't accuse you of anything.

(Message edited by naturalsister on May 12, 2006)
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Ksquared
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Why does an older building have to be class B and C, and why does a brand new glass tower have to be class A? There are a couple different ways to look at building classes;

Class A office space will be in buildings with modern steel and concrete construction and have raised floors and excellent environmental controls. Or, Location, updated building, appearance, services (high speed access), the property market, and floor plan efficiency. A glass tower does not mean more efficient. It actually presents more problems than a masonry building because you have to deal with heat gain and loss. If you put a historic building under renovation next to new construction, you basically have the same thing. In the historic building you gut what you don't want and bring back what you do. The floor will look the same as the new construction; structure, floor slabs, and a core.

An older building renovated correctly can also be class A office space, nice apartments/lofts, condos, hotel, retail space, civic space, government offices, or community space.

Why Compuware built new? I see is as a reflection of their business. It's a technology company so they have to be in the "new" and a new building surrounded by historical buildings gives that impression. I hope your not suggestion that large corporations would come if the buildings currently in the CBD were torn down, because that would devestate Detroit, which has a collection of architecture that's on par with New York and Chicago.
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Apbest
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our collection of old architecture is def the city's best drawing point. Compuware probably built new because it was the only way they could get the 1,000,000 sq ft they needed without buying the Penobscot.
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Ksquared, it's very rare for any new building built in a downtown business district in almost ANY city to be anything but Class A space. Of course there are always exceptions.
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Ksquared
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Lmichigan, that's not what I ment. I probably could have worded it better. What I ment was why does a class A building have to brand new construction? I really think a historic building renovated properly can also be class A space.
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Recent discussions of Class A/Class B, etc. got me wondering what class the current buildings in the CBD and New Center are:

http://www.downtownpartnership .org/data/market_Data/download s/lowerWoodwardMarketData.pdf

Scroll to Page 6 of 7. I would also recommend increasing the font size.

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(Message edited by hysteria on May 12, 2006)
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Naturalsister
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Thanks Hysteria,

This is a great piece of info. My point exactly. Companies will look at cost for updating all of this class B and C office space we have available in the CBD and most likely decide to build new for that reason coupled with several other factors of course.

Again, one core solution for the empty office space in downtown Detroit is wooing the small business operators - who will have little/probably nothing to do with Detroit's next tallest.

later - naturalsister
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That's one solution, with another being converting some of the space to residential, as well. Not all space needs to be Class A, but at the end of the day, big companies coming to downtown areas, these days, will either move into existing Class A space, or build anew.
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Hysteria
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I agree, Lmichigan. I think it would be great to see some of the unused Class B and C office space (see David Stott Building thread) converted to residential. Many of the buildings with Class B and C space would, IMO be considered destination addresses for condos, etc.
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Apbest
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In terms of Stott I def agree...however, im not sure about Book Tower (the other most notible class B/C). I think maybe a mixed use developmeent might be goo for Book. The tower (because of small floor size) would be good for residential. But maybe hotel/office in the lower part of the building
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Lmichigan
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Actually, the owner of the complex has actually moved all of her office tenants to the tower, and hopes that as the market picks up, downtown, that she can add retail and residential space to the mid-rise portion. I wonder if she's gotten any prospects on the building? I also wonder how good of shape it's in? From what I heard she's selling/renting lofts "raw."
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Trainman
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When DARTA, the new Detroit Area Regional Transportation Authority gets a regional transit operating tax from Wayne, Oakland, Macomb and Monroe counties. DARTA will get several hundreds of Millions of dollars from the taxpayers. They will then build the tallest building, which will be higher then any building in Chicago and New York. It will have a large bus terminal attached to it and everyone in the World will then know that DETROIT has one of the best public rail and bus systems in the entire World. Please comment on my transit website. http://savethefueltax.org
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Apbest
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that didnt make a whole lot of sense. I dont see Detroit coming anywhere close to the plans of NY/Chicago, whos' tallest are projected at 1776'/2000' respectively. We're even bounds behind Nashville, which has a 1000' in its near future. In terms of getting back in the big building game, we're going to be lagging for a while. I believe the emphasis is on mid-rise develpment (as per CMP plan). There is no reason why TOD (transit orient development) would nessecarily provide the market for a 2,000' building, which would be misplaced in out skyline.
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Lmichigan
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Can we say tongue-in-cheek joke. :-) At least...I hope he was joking. That's how I took it, anyway, especially considering the shameless spam plug at the end.
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Gistok
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One point I didn't see about Class A versus Class B/C office space is open floors. Probably all of the older buildings (B/C) have lots of interior supports/columns. Many new Class A buildings have mainly exterior supports that offer their tenants unobstructed wide open floor plans.

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