Discuss Detroit Archives - Beginning January 2006 Former Liberty Motors 'Independence Hall' Bldg to shut Previous Next
Top of pageBottom of page

Eric_c
Member
Username: Eric_c

Post Number: 736
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 68.76.202.10
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20060516/AUTO0 1/605160386

I've always admired this building. I'm sure the employees admire their jobs, too.
Top of pageBottom of page

Bob
Member
Username: Bob

Post Number: 981
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hopefully this building does not go vacant and abandoned. Maybe lofts if someone doesn't decide to use it as a factory?
Top of pageBottom of page

Viziondetroit
Member
Username: Viziondetroit

Post Number: 486
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 68.42.176.190
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

""We certainly would like to consider any options.""

I hope someone is just looking for something like this for their development idea
Top of pageBottom of page

Livernoisyard
Member
Username: Livernoisyard

Post Number: 695
Registered: 10-2004
Posted From: 69.242.223.42
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Seems to be a rather dicey area to have loft apartments/condos.
Top of pageBottom of page

Mikeg
Member
Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 64
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 69.136.155.244
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Hopefully this building does not go vacant and abandoned. Maybe lofts if someone doesn't decide to use it as a factory?




I'm pretty sure that some level of remediation would have to occur if the building's use were to be changed to residential.

Remediation costs for an industrial site like this which has been in operation for at least 87 years would be very expensive. No one knows what is buried on that site or under the factory floor slabs.

The best hope for quick reuse is another industrial tenant who could avoid remediation as long as they did not demolish or build on the site.
Top of pageBottom of page

Mackinaw
Member
Username: Mackinaw

Post Number: 1517
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 69.221.35.202
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is true. Seems like an strange and difficult to market place to live, as well, being in the middle of an industrial valley, with blighted neighborhoods to the east.
Top of pageBottom of page

Troy
Member
Username: Troy

Post Number: 166
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 67.37.213.65
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is no way that this will become residential. The location would never work. It is right next to Jefferson North Assembly plant so perhaps another supplier will end up finding it useful.
Top of pageBottom of page

Hornwrecker
Member
Username: Hornwrecker

Post Number: 1166
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 63.41.8.23
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 12:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Damn Shelbyville stealing our stuff, first it was the lemon tree, now this!

Nice to see some accurate history in an article, the only thing missing was that Columbia bought out Liberty in 1923 and promptly went tits up.

1922 Liberty Six



(Message edited by Hornwrecker on May 16, 2006)
Top of pageBottom of page

River_rat
Member
Username: River_rat

Post Number: 121
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 68.166.44.44
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another vacant building that will provide Lowell a fresh ruin to post in a few months. Squatters, bums and crackheads will be the next occupants ...an all too common a fate in this city. When will we wake up and realize that the biggest problem Detroit has is due to some of it's citizens?

I know, the next post will lament industrial decline, poor schools, lack of opportunity, hopelessness, etc. Is it the sty that makes the pig or the pig that makes the sty?

Reduce crime, corruption, incompetence and stop excuses for the perpetrators of the same and Detroit will start to recover. But that would require realism.


the river rat awaits hate mail
Top of pageBottom of page

Hornwrecker
Member
Username: Hornwrecker

Post Number: 1169
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 63.41.8.23
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 1:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From the OCF page 5, a photo of the front office, taken by Sven, since the article is lacking a photo.




For more on Liberty, see OCF thread page 10,11 about the early years of the company. I'll post some other photos of the Budd plant in that thread later.
Top of pageBottom of page

Alexei289
Member
Username: Alexei289

Post Number: 1133
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.61.183.223
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

anyone have some decent pics of this building, and what directly surounds it? Perhaps it could serve as a light industrial use/warehouse... theres always need for that type of space. Whats at this corner...
Top of pageBottom of page

Aarne_frobom
Member
Username: Aarne_frobom

Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 162.108.2.222
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 2:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This news makes me feel lucky I got to tour this plant with the Society for Industrial Archeology on its fall tour of Detroit last year. It also makes me feel a bit like a ghoul, and faintly guilty, as if I had jinxed it.

The workers who led the group of history hangers-on through their plant were conscious of the fact that it was surviving only by keeping its costs competitive. They were clearly proud of having kept an old plant going through efficient operation. But absolute lack of demand evidently proved too much for them.

The plant behind the Independence Hall-style headbuilding is a mixture of many structures of various ages and styles, from the twenties through the fifties. Efficient material handling must have been a challenge. Even the oldest parts were well-maintained. The flashy front office is small and plain inside, containing the administrative offices of the plant; it took a lot less administrative overhead to run an auto company in 1921. It retains much detailing and layout that probably dates to 1921. In a meeting room there is a small display of great stampings of the past, in which auto fans could spot several pieces of readily-identificable sheet metal.
Top of pageBottom of page

Hornwrecker
Member
Username: Hornwrecker

Post Number: 1171
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 63.41.40.247
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 4:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is what the side of the Budd complex looks like

Budd 1960s
WSU

This facility extends all the way from Conner to the RR tracks, about 1/3 of a mile. Another dead elephant carcass rotting away like the Packard plant.
Top of pageBottom of page

Chitaku
Member
Username: Chitaku

Post Number: 329
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.43.107.72
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 6:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh my ride home is littered with these behemoths, Packard and this one. It's a shame but I don't see much of a future for the building. The area is a bit shady
Top of pageBottom of page

56packman
Member
Username: 56packman

Post Number: 294
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.208.234.52
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River Rat--good call. All of Tayshaun's scrapper friends are having a planning session as we type. spin it, justify it, scrap it!.

Proof again that "we just can't have anything nice around here"
Top of pageBottom of page

1953
Member
Username: 1953

Post Number: 826
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 4.165.39.140
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What we need is a World War III to boost demand for manufactured goods!
Top of pageBottom of page

Rustic
Member
Username: Rustic

Post Number: 2460
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 71.234.183.131
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How many independence halls in the Detroit area? I can think of three, this one, Henry Ford Museum and Dearborn city hall. Any others?
Top of pageBottom of page

Hornwrecker
Member
Username: Hornwrecker

Post Number: 1174
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 63.41.8.20
Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grosse Pointe South HS
Top of pageBottom of page

The_aram
Member
Username: The_aram

Post Number: 4878
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 68.41.124.8
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's a smaller Independence Hall-type building off of I-696 in what would be, I think, Farmington Hills? It used to be a John Hancock office, now it's some other financial type.
Top of pageBottom of page

Rustic
Member
Username: Rustic

Post Number: 2461
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 71.234.183.131
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 12:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ok that's four independence halls in the detroit area ... any more?
Top of pageBottom of page

Gistok
Member
Username: Gistok

Post Number: 2112
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 4.229.129.199
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 1:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If ever there was a building suitable for the Mega-Movers (on the History Channel), this would be it (actually the Lee Plaza would be "IT", but this one would be my 2nd choice!).

Before I get asked "where to".... Jefferson Ave. (to replace some ugly IHOP!) :-)

(Message edited by Gistok on May 17, 2006)
Top of pageBottom of page

Jerome81
Member
Username: Jerome81

Post Number: 1000
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 64.142.86.133
Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:45 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sad to see. History comes and history goes.
Top of pageBottom of page

Aiw
Member
Username: Aiw

Post Number: 5559
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 64.228.201.179
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oddly enough I just stumbled across this blurb in the March 16, 1925 issue of "The Detroiter".

000
Top of pageBottom of page

Ndavies
Member
Username: Ndavies

Post Number: 1842
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 129.9.163.105
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's a nice mini history of the plant on thecarconnection.com today.

http://www.thecarconnection.co m/Auto_News/Daily_Edition/Dail y_Edition_May_26_2006.S173.A10 456.html
Top of pageBottom of page

Ventura67
Member
Username: Ventura67

Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 69.245.93.12
Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With all the ruins being torn down across the city, I think it's urgent to add more whenever possible!

Add Your Message Here
Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.