  Amy_p Member Username: Amy_p Post Number: 654 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.209.164.228 |
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The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4882 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.124.8 |
It's the annual "Let's dig for Hoffa" story. Happens every summer, and every summer they find absolutely nothing. I swear, this story and the Oakland County Child Killer are guaranteed to make an appearance in the news cycle at least once every 12 months with some yahoo claiming they know what really happened... | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3837 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
This just in, Hantramck steve has reported for years that he heard Jimmie Hoffa was incinerated near Holbrook in Hamtramck. Now there, Hamtramck steve tells it like it tis as the foreign minister to Detroityes.com. jjaba, just the facts Ma'am. | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 811 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137 |
May Sweeps!! Oakland Country Child Killer, Hoffa, and Steve Wilson...you know its May in Detroit | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 712 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
If someone needs his garden tilled, all he has to do is say that Hoffa was probably planted there... | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3840 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Livernoisyard, yours is urban legend. About as good as saying Hoffa is buried under the north goal posts at the NJ Meadowlands. His jinx has kept the two NY teams out the SuperBowl. (imagine if those teams ever got to a Detroit Super Bowl, now that would be a story.) jjaba,LOL. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 298 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Hoffa and JFK, two mob hits carried out by pros, who don't talk. | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 489 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
I must be hard on the family to have the FBI call every 12 months to report a lead like this. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 5799 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.203.188.106 |
I had both James. and Jimmy's grandson Geoff as clients when I worked at the Gramophone in B'ham in the late eighties...so I am especially sensitive when these stories pop up, and when I hear him as a punchline in movies and TV. I cannot imagine any tragedy played out as the butt of jokes...tearing open that wound annually. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1104 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Not trying to change the subject, but Gannon, I bought my first stereo at the Gramophone, I was just a young lad of 20 looking for good quality sound. You may have been there when I was there. Now back to our thread.... | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 5800 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.203.188.106 |
1982-1990 give or take the two times when I quit...I was only one of two people ever to work there three times, I'm a glutton for punishment. High-Fidelity...I just LOVE Hifi, when it is 'just' right, it is almost like being there...and that is enough for this minor agoraphobic!! | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 247 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
The place they are looking is about a mile from my house (Helicopters were flying around half the evening). I really hope they don't find anything, we don't need the extra traffic in that area. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3842 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Johnny5, keep us posted on the progress to find Jimmie Hoffa. jjaba. | ||
Njmikey Member Username: Njmikey Post Number: 20 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 168.238.128.4 |
we get that out here in the NYC/NJ metro area too http://www.nydailynews.com/fro nt/story/409589p-346655c.html | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4884 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.124.8 |
The FBI has apparently called a press conference for 3PM. | ||
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289 Post Number: 1139 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223 |
Im sure that guy could have been the killer... but who knows... and who the fuk cares... mob killings happen all the time... the guys dead... finding his body doesnt mean they can resucitate him.... Most mob killings happen because A. the real biggie.. Money.. Anytime money or a high priced commodity is involved, where a debt is owed, points need to be proven and debts repaid. B. Drugs... today usually the biggest one since drug related shootings are out of control... Usually because drugged up people are in an altered state of mind... C. Knowledge... anyone who could seriously fuk someone over in a court of law usually has the unfortunate reality of being silenced for good... Thats a WIDE range of possibilities for what could have gotten Hoffa gone... Perhaps those who got him into his position thought that he wasnt giving them what they wanted for their investment (money), or perhaps he loved to hit the snow banks... got fronted some and couldnt pay for it, or didnt pay soon enough... or perhaps he got sick of the game all together and wanted to "make a difference" in the world that surrounded him... and could have really screwed alot of very powerful people.... They arent ever going to find a body because whoever killed him KNEW how high profile he is.. and that the world would be looking for him... and took appropriate steps to prevent them finding him. Im sure there are plenty of people laying on the bottom of lake huron... but would you want the headline 20 years later after you are retired from the mob and have a legit life to be "HOFFA FOUND AFTER PLEASURE BOATER SNAGS ANCHOR" ... why take the risk... put yourself in their state of mind when they did this... being in a pile of molten metel will make u nothing but common slag when they remelt it... no evidence.. they didnt pay someone 7 figures to send a few bullets in them... | ||
Sknutson Member Username: Sknutson Post Number: 577 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 67.114.23.202 |
But where is Judge Crater? | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 65.42.16.138 |
Well, that pess conference told us just about nothing. {rolleyes} | ||
Pamequus Member Username: Pamequus Post Number: 41 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 158.229.218.204 |
Many moons ago I lived in South Lyon, which borders the Milford area. Seems to me South Lyon was once the weekend retreat for the early 20th century gangsters and, later, Mafia. Since it would have been a pretty easy shot to get from Telegraph Road to Milford Road back in the 70's I wouldn't cross this one off the list too quickly. | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 248 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
Well it turns out that I actually know the family that owns the farm. It belongs to the mother of a good friend of mine from high school. If I remember correctly they bought it about 5 or 6 years ago. I was there about 4 years ago and don't remember seeing Hoffa, but that does not mean he's not there =0. It's actually kind of weird thinking that I walked around the place and he might have been buried there the entire time. I have not talked to the her in a year or so, but I'll try to dig up (no pun intended) her email address and get you guys some inside info on what's going on. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2471 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Never say never. The truth always comes out. In the year after Jimmy disappeared, I worked with a rather swarthy guy, happened to be Italian, often went to Vegas, and "confided" that he had a pretty good idea what had happened to J's body. He gave me 2 scenarios to pick from and wouldn't say which one it was: 1. Buried somewhere, perhaps in a field or dropped into a bridge abuctment right before it was poured, or, 2. Dropped piece by piece into the large commercial garbage disposal in the kitchen at the Raleigh House. Of course, there were all sorts of theories floating around at the time. But sitting in downtown D, at night, listening to this guy - it still gives me the creeps. For his family, not knowing is the worse part so for their sakes I hope this case could be closed once and for all. If I'm not mistaken, the guys they think did it are dead and have been for some time. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 71.227.26.9 |
I lived near the Raleigh House at the time and even worked there as a kid. I remember watching some guys in suits who appeared to be federal agents looking around behind the building near the big trash bins. For an execution that everyone knew would generate a massive amount of publicity and scrutiny, it would seem that they would dispose of the body in a more discreet location than the Raleigh House or the Horse Farm, which were both known to have connections to either the Teamsters or the Mafia. The story about him being cremated at a mob-run funeral home sounds more like it, as the body could never be found. Just a theory... (Message edited by perfectgentleman on May 20, 2006) | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 1087 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Considering all the wild goose chases and the various theories about where he was buried thru the years, am I the only one that finds it ironic that the man's middle name was "Riddle" ? | ||
Correctone Member Username: Correctone Post Number: 30 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.42.152.51 |
why are our tax dollars being wasted, even if they find him what will it mean? | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 674 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 192.195.66.46 |
Peace and closure for the family. | ||
Angry_dad Member Username: Angry_dad Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Everybody knows Jimmy has been hanging out at D B Cooper's house for the last few decades. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1257 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.251.225 |
The tv coverage has been going non-stop for three days with various interviews of various individuals. But has any tv "investigator" interviewed the CURRENT property owner of this property as to what he thinks about all of this? The Feds are talking about spending at least two weeks digging for JRH. Have you seen the amount of earth-moving equipment they have now brought in? Can you just imagine what the area will look like when they are done? What about compensation for the property owner? I hear that one of his out-buildings may even have to be torn down so the Feds can dig, dig, dig. Talk about seizure of property, and leaving it in a mess! The " before and after photos" will be something to see. Come on Channel 2, 4, 7 etc. Why not contact the property owner? Get that "exclusive" you all brag about. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4888 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.124.8 |
Let's be rational here. If the current property owner wanted to or was allowed by the FBI to comment, he/she would have been on the news networks days ago. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1258 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.251.225 |
..."wanted to"... ok, I will accept that. ...but "allowed by the FBI to comment".. You say allowed? Come on, let's be rational. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2484 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Rock, you never know - they might be folks whose rights have been taken away by the Bush administration and are forbidden to speak. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3845 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
They ought to interview the Rock. Maybe he's got a theory on the case. jjaba. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 676 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.253.250 |
Yeah Karl, like the list of people I posted whose rights were taken away after you claimed that nobody has lost any rights? You're not still riding that horse after the proof was undeniably handed to you, are you? *****continue with the intended thread topic***** | ||
Schriber Member Username: Schriber Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 66.91.241.212 |
Wow... Raleigh House. That brings back memories! When I was a kid growing up in Southfield, everyone used to say that Hoffa was in the 696 brige to nowhere. I don't know if he's at that farm or not, but it's almost inconcivable that they'll find Hoffa. It's like saying the Soviet Union will collapse. Uh oh! Mike | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 2499 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 68.230.22.99 |
Cheddar, I don't trust anything on the taxpayer-funded far left ACLU website - but if true, I'll settle for 3 mistakes - with apologies - to keep us safe from further attacks. (Carry on with thread topic) | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 490 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.18 |
Property Owner to FBI: Thanks for finding my car keys. They must have falled out out of my jacket when I got out of the car! | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3847 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Bibs, that was funny. No telling what might pop up from the ground in the sweep. Schriber, welcome to the mad mad Forum. So Hoffa is standing in one of those pillars? Anybody else got urban Jimmie Hoffa legends? Maybe the FBI reads this thread. jjaba. | ||
Leyland Member Username: Leyland Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
I was just thinking how famous that barn would become if they did find Hoffa in there. Usually, when a house is connected to a murder its value goes down, but I think in this case the value of the house might go up. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3754 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.208.233.74 |
Wow Alexei289 sets a new record for betraying one's ignorance. Let's break this down shall we... "Perhaps those who got him into his position thought that he wasnt giving them what they wanted for their investment (money)," Well since Jimmy Hoffa wasn't in any position of power in 1975, it is doubtful Hoffa wasn't giving anyone what they wanted for their "investment (money)". Thanks for clarifying the investment was money, BTW, I thought it may have been something else. For instance, perhaps they were emotionally invested in Hoffa and he wasn't as invested in the relationship so they wacked him. "or perhaps he loved to hit the snow banks... got fronted some and couldnt pay for it, or didnt pay soon enough..." Jimmy Hoffa - cokehead. That's a new one. Considering the guy was regarded as a teetotaler and a health nut, this seem very likely indeed. Hey maybe the Centurians kidnapped him? It could've happened. "or perhaps he got sick of the game all together and wanted to "make a difference" in the world that surrounded him... and could have really screwed alot of very powerful people...." Yeah Michael Landon and that bearded guy with the A's hat met with Hoffa and showed him the error of his ways. He promised to be a boy scout so the mob killed him. But back to reality, while it seems probable that Rolland McMaster may have been involved in the Hoffa killing, why would you bury him on your farm? The real Hoffa mystery isn't where his body ended up but what really happened with his pardon from Nixon. Hoffa claimed the clause keeping him out of union activity was added after he accepted the pardon. Nixon, John Mitchell, and Frank Fitzsimmons claimed otherwise. Personally I wouldn't trust any one of the four as far as I can throw them but one of them must have been telling the truth? | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 678 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.253.250 |
I have always had a big interest in what happened to Hoffa. One of the obstacles here is that so many people has an interest in seeing Hoffa dead. His desire to regain Teamster presidency was in a thorn in a lot of people's sides. Fitzsimmons knew he would lose the title, but it had been handed to him by a trusting Hoffa himself. Did he care if he lost the title to his predecessor? The FBI's theory that he was killed by the mafia to prevent his regaining the presidency makes the most sense because he would have clensed the union of its mafia ties, thus costing them money. I believe I read that the Milford farm was used as a mob retreat, so it is quite possible that it was used to dispose of the body. The owner need not even know. His story that he was out of town the day Hoffa disappeared does not change anything whether it is true or not. He didn't have to be there for the disposal to take place. One would think that the mob would have a better plan than burial for disposal of a high-profile body, but hey they're mobsters, not Rhodes Scholars. My personal theory is that he was eaten. I read somewhere that the mob had ties to several Detroit sausage factories, so what better way to dispose of a body than to grind it up into sausage? No evidence to find and now thousands of Detroiters could have a little of Hoffa inside them. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3848 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.160.138.107 |
Chedder bob, your sausage theory goes along the food line with disposal at a Hamtramck rendering plant incinerator. You know, 500 yrs. ago they dug up Shakespere. They found the bones, but no bacon. (Old joke, some Forum scholar can explain it to the masses.) jjaba. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 681 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.41.253.250 |
Hey, I think it makes a lot of sense. That's whay I would do, but again I don't think mobsters are the brightest lightbulbs in the pack. | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 491 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Jjaba, Pleased that I made you laugh a little. I think they are going to find a few horse shoes, some old coins and the water meter. The lawyer representing the felon was on Channel 7 this evening. He was as phoney as a 2 dollar bill. The the FBI is spending $200,0000 to keep a guy in prison who is trying to get a lesser sentence by claiming that Hoffa is buried here! The next time, I'm in a real tight spot, I'll claim I know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1260 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.42.251.225 |
Jim Elsman, the atty on Channel 7 is one a few attorneys who represernted Mr. Hoffa during his career at the Teamsters. He also had a couple of GP attys who have since passed away. Our office represented him on the Chatanooga jury-tampering case. I still have the original retainer agreement between Hoffa and the law firm in my files. Another case in which we represented him was the case that was only filed and that is as far as it went, and that was fine with us. It was filed in the Federal Court in Detroit and it's caption was: James Riddle Hoffa, plaintiff V. Jack Parr, National Broadcasting Company, and Robert Kennedy, Attorney General of the United States, defendants. Quite a story, previously mention in prior threads, and too long to go into now.Kinda humerous actually as I look back on it. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/9274409/detail.html Possible "suspicious" finding. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1050 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
"as phoney as a 2 dollar bill"...um and who says there are no entreprenuers around here? Hoffa search unearths a creepy cupcake | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 494 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
Sweeeat! I mean creepy. | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 262 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
They're not bad either... I'm keeping it as a souvenir... =) (Message edited by Johnnny5 on May 26, 2006) | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 263 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
Oops.. [img]http://www.michigan-sportsman. com/photopost/data/539/medium/ Ebay_Pics.jpg[/img] | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 768 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.177.56 |
We could have light rail for what they're spending out there digging up barns in Milford. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 3408 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.79.88.138 |
"as phoney as a 2 dollar bill"...um The correct denomination for the cliche is 3 dollar bill. Otherwise that pile of accumulated 2 dollar bills I have, would put me in jeopardy. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 215 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
Digging ends: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200 60530/ap_on_re_us/hoffa_search | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 35.8.144.6 |
Wasted time and money...must have been a government agency. :rolleyes: |
