Discuss Detroit Archives - Beginning January 2006 $100 Fine for Yakking on the Cell Phone while driving in the CofD Previous Next
Top of pageBottom of page

Lowell
Board Administrator
Username: Lowell

Post Number: 2619
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 66.167.58.162
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just heard that on the WDET. Has that ordinance passed for the City of Detroit? The report was not complete and only contained a quote by Joann Watson.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7420
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/9231667/detail.html
Top of pageBottom of page

One_shot
Member
Username: One_shot

Post Number: 270
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 152.163.100.8
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroit is gonna get RICH off of this one!
Now I wonder if they will ticket their own officers when they are talking on the phone?
Top of pageBottom of page

Publicmsu
Member
Username: Publicmsu

Post Number: 636
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 136.182.2.222
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No need to stop the murders and drug deals that happen. Let's get those evil doers who are talking on cell phones. What a joke.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7421
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you guys not been paying attention? The mayor and police already said that they do not intend to target drivers for this offense.

It probably also took a whole of 15 minutes of CCs time. Just because the media has spent a lot of time on it does not mean that the city, police and mayors office have spent any real time on it.

People just love to jump to conclusion and chastise the city before they even consider the real ramifications and facts of the situation.

This has detracted 0 time from real crime and will continue to detract nothing away from the city's attempt to stop real time.

Where was the outrage when Clinton Township and Shelby Township passed the same ordinance?
Top of pageBottom of page

Publicmsu
Member
Username: Publicmsu

Post Number: 637
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 136.182.2.222
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Clinton Township and Shelby Township don't have quite the same crime problems as Detroit? I'd imagine the police forces in the above mentioned municipalities are better staffed, and not dealing with as much 'real crime'.

And yes, I did see the Mayor's response, and labelling it as a secondary offense makes a lot more sense.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7423
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

------------------------------ ------------------------------ --------------------
Clinton Township and Shelby Township don't have quite the same crime problems as Detroit? I'd imagine the police forces in the above mentioned municipalities are better staffed, and not dealing with as much 'real crime'.




Again, they will not be using resources to enforce this. If you are speeding/running lights/etc while on your cell phone you will get an additional fine but you will not get pulled over for it regardless if you could get pulled over for it.

It annoys the shit out of me when every QOL issue is dismissed as 'Detroit has bigger problems.' How about we legalize everything but violent crime. Seems to be your train of thought since those are the bigger problems.
Top of pageBottom of page

_sj_
Member
Username: _sj_

Post Number: 1351
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 69.220.230.150
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just the beginning, now all other cities need to follow suit.
Top of pageBottom of page

Publicmsu
Member
Username: Publicmsu

Post Number: 638
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 129.188.33.221
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about focusing on the bigger problems first... Then worry about these petty offenses. No need to fill the plate too much, when you don't have enough room to eat what's there.
Top of pageBottom of page

Danny
Member
Username: Danny

Post Number: 4154
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 141.217.173.154
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cell Phone distractions while driving any vehicle makes a deadly result to the driver, the passagers and the victims. Drivers have to remember that their cars are NOT to be used as a personal phone boths. I that the Michigan Legislatures would pass a law making cell phone use while driving any vehicle ILLEGAL.

Also we need to cut down on CELL PHONE ABUSE.
Top of pageBottom of page

Karl
Member
Username: Karl

Post Number: 2422
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 68.230.22.99
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 1:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Danny, maybe Stone Phillips & NBC can do a sting operation/program on "CELL PHONE ABUSE"?

25 to life sounds about right.
Top of pageBottom of page

Lowell
Board Administrator
Username: Lowell

Post Number: 2620
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 66.167.58.162
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 1:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have heard variously that 6-10% of accidents are now credited to cell phone distraction. I suspect that rate would drop as people became more used to using them but there seems to be something extra about the distraction they cause then from, say, eating. I have had two narrow misses with cell phone distracted drivers.

Even if the CofD had lax enforcement, the number using them would be reduced and the number of accidents lessened, requiring less city resources. Just like seat belt laws.

Have I ever done it? Yes. Still I favor the state outlawing their use while driving.
Top of pageBottom of page

Viziondetroit
Member
Username: Viziondetroit

Post Number: 492
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 65.42.23.2
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 1:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Danny,

I can see your agrument, but then you would have to nit pick... Okay say you get rid of the cell phones while driving... what's next?

Ban people who can't eat food or drink coffee and drive?

Ban people who can't have conversations and drive?

Ban people who don't talk or eat but just can't pay attention while driving?

Not to point fingers or call anyone out, but most of the time when I hear people complain about cell phone users, they typically aren't people who need to use the phone as much. I am a business owner who drives to meet clients and go to various locations daily, am I to pull over every time I need to make a phone call? Send them to voice mail until I stop and when I get to my destination, play catch up? I will abide by the little handsfree rule and drive and talk.

To me, if they are going to enforce things, get those who speed and use the phones, or those who don't have mirrors, who's cars look like at the next bump they are going to fall a part, get the people who make my car alarm go off with their music, or the idiots who drive down the street the wrong way speeding while kids play.

If they are not going to specifically target people on phones to pull them over, why do it in the first place? To use it as an additional ticket to give them? I'm all for it if they are going to pull people over for using them while driving without a handsfree device.

most criminals aren't caught during the act, they are caught because of traffic violations...
Top of pageBottom of page

_sj_
Member
Username: _sj_

Post Number: 1354
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 69.220.230.150
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 2:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

6-10% is the reported amount, what is the real amount.

There was another study that said cell phone use was 80% to blame in all distraction accidents.

Handsfree made no difference.


quote:

Ban people who can't eat food or drink coffee and drive?

Ban people who can't have conversations and drive?

Ban people who don't talk or eat but just can't pay attention while driving?




For one reason they are in the car and focused on what is around them, while on the phone they are focused on the conversation.

And while talking to a person in a car, they will stop talking while you are merging or other things, you are not engrossed in the conversation.

Cellphone conversations just keep on talking.

(Message edited by _sj_ on May 18, 2006)
Top of pageBottom of page

Danny
Member
Username: Danny

Post Number: 4158
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 141.217.173.154
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 2:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Viziondetroit


I say to you. Ban people who can't eat food or drink coffee and drive? That's too a distraction. For you, driving a car is not meant to be your presonal dining area. In fact your car should not be a presonal office space.

The while the driver is driving any vehicle keep the coversations down, keep the radio to a minimum so your can hear the sudden sirens. While your a driver KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROAD! it's the #1 golden rule of driving habits.
Top of pageBottom of page

Wpitonya
Member
Username: Wpitonya

Post Number: 24
Registered: 08-2005
Posted From: 153.9.83.127
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 4:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think this is a great idea if they want to try and lower the insurance rates in the city. People that talk and drive are as bad as drunk drivers.
Top of pageBottom of page

1953
Member
Username: 1953

Post Number: 832
Registered: 12-2004
Posted From: 209.104.146.146
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 5:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A recent USA today article stated that driving while talking on a cell phone increases your risk of an accident by 4 times the normal rate. Since it didn't include what that rate is, I'm going to assume that the normal rate is something absurdly low, like 1 in 10,000 or 100,000. So, a rate of 4 in 10,000 or 100,000 isn't too bad, is it? When we consider the increased economic productivity created by drivers on cell phones, I think its well worth it. Let's let people talk on cell phones.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jams
Member
Username: Jams

Post Number: 3333
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 68.79.102.113
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 5:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd prefer a $100 fine on those that speak loudly on their cell phones in bars and restaurants.
Top of pageBottom of page

Lowell
Board Administrator
Username: Lowell

Post Number: 2624
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 66.167.58.162
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 7:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL and Amen @ Jams. The chef should spit in the soup.
Top of pageBottom of page

Rjk
Member
Username: Rjk

Post Number: 303
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 68.41.145.5
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 7:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just last weekend on a 15 mile stretch of I-75 I had 3 cars drift over into my lane. I had to beep at them to keep them from hitting me. All three were talking on a cellphone.

When I first got a cellphone I did use it while I was driving, but it took me about 3 or 4 calls to realize that it took away from my concentration on the road and just wasn't safe.
For that reason if I have to use my phone I'll pull over to make a call.
Top of pageBottom of page

Wabashrr1
Member
Username: Wabashrr1

Post Number: 134
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 64.12.116.204
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 10:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder if she was flapping her lips on the cell phone...
Top of pageBottom of page

Thecarl
Member
Username: Thecarl

Post Number: 778
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 69.14.30.175
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

this is so bizarre. it's like having a wolf running loose in your house, but you're focused on figuring out how the ants are getting in.

i wonder what councilperson got cut off in traffic and demanded the city put a law on the books?

it would be interesting if a councilperson had to deal with 911 in the same way that their peon electorate has to - or have their car stolen, or home broken into, or loved one lost to the street.

of course, i'm sure city council has been "inconvenienced" by some of the goings-on in the city - but why are they taking aggressive action against distracted drivers?

if their reaction to many of the other issues facing the city was proportionate to their crackdown on motorists using cell phones - who knows what might be accomplished?
Top of pageBottom of page

Jqls
Member
Username: Jqls

Post Number: 21
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.43.81.255
Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroit is just a piece of shit city. And yes Jt1 they do have bigger problems than this. Clean up around the fucking stadiums. I am sick and tired of going to tiger games and being hounded by wastes of life. I am sorry if I sound mean but clean it up.

The city practically destroys everything they put their hands on. I am just waiting for the day when you can go down to campus martius and be able to ice skate and buy your drugs at the same spot.
Top of pageBottom of page

Smogboy
Member
Username: Smogboy

Post Number: 2675
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.47.100.44
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 12:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought there were already laws in the books regarding driving recklessly- regardless if it was gabbing on a cell phone, shaving, or reading a newspaper.

Now granted I get a bit peeved when the light turns green and the guy ahead of me is on a phone and not accelerating. I think it should be a misdemeanor to have a cell phone go off in a movie theater more so than it is to have one while driving.
Top of pageBottom of page

Compn
Member
Username: Compn

Post Number: 60
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 65.29.121.215
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

whats the fine for speeding and when pulled over, yelling to the officer 'DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUKK I AM' ?

somewhere i heard this law only banned the handheld phones upto the ear and not handsfree...

i see people making left turns on red all the time, some are on the phone, some arent. cell phones cause accidents, but also passengers, radio, idiot drivers... etc.

(Message edited by compn on May 19, 2006)
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7427
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Detroit is just a piece of shit city. And yes Jt1 they do have bigger problems than this. Clean up around the fucking stadiums. I am sick and tired of going to tiger games and being hounded by wastes of life. I am sorry if I sound mean but clean it up.




So you are saying that you expect others to clean everything so you can enjoy it when you come to Tiger's games. Nice attitude. It is never your problem or your neighbors problems but we should make sure everything is perfect for the few times you come downtown.

If you really care(d) I would like to know what you do beside bitch. Oh, that's right it's our problem and just your place for enjoyment.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jams
Member
Username: Jams

Post Number: 3348
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 68.252.68.130
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We'll be happy if you'll join in.
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/10041/71656.html?1147811 907
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7428
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 11:03 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A little laugh for all. Both from the same posters:


quote:

Detroit is just a piece of shit city. And yes Jt1 they do have bigger problems than this. Clean up around the fucking stadiums. I am sick and tired of going to tiger games and being hounded by wastes of life. I am sorry if I sound mean but clean it up.





quote:

As for the urinating in public, never received a ticket for that and save my urinating for port a pottys or a bar. Sometimes next to the car while tailgating.




So it is too dirty for you but it is acceptable for you to piss in my neighborhood.

Hypocrite.

(Message edited by jt1 on May 19, 2006)
Top of pageBottom of page

Jqls
Member
Username: Jqls

Post Number: 24
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.43.81.255
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jt1. Yes I do bitch, but I am also downtown/midtown/corktown about 3-4 days/nights a week. Sorry I cannot live down there. I tell you one thing and that is I along with a lot of others pump tons of money into your wonderful city. We have a say so in what goes on down there.

Hey a street performer wonderful, a man in wheel chair asking for change--okay it is going to happen, but when I take some relatives down to hart plaza to explain some of the history of the battles by the river and our founders. Then a bum ask us for change and we just keep on walking. After that he then proceeds to tell us "that he will slit our throats you fucking racists." Well thats a problem.
Top of pageBottom of page

Lurker
Member
Username: Lurker

Post Number: 1635
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 65.196.220.198
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much money do you need to pump into the city before you are allowed to piss in public?
Top of pageBottom of page

Jqls
Member
Username: Jqls

Post Number: 25
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.43.81.255
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For your information I have probably pissed in detroit publicly about 3 times. And that was due to port a pottys being extremely overfull. I use port a pottys, bars, restaurants, casinos, or any other establishment with a restroom.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7429
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 1:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jqls - Maybe when the incident at Hart Plaza happended you could explain to your family/friends how Detroit is stuck with a disproportionate number of the regions homeless, mentally ill, etc and that they should contact their reps to ask that more money be allocated to it.

It is a problem but it needs to be solved at a State level but as it stands it is a problem that Detroit and Detroiters are left to deal with.

But again, about the trash. Do you stop to pick up trash when you are out? Do you volunteer for cleaning days or is that upto everyone else so the city is more pleasant for you.

The city and the businesses need all of the money and support they can get. It is great that you are adding to that. It however gets very old when people preach about how they want the city but aren't willing to lift a finger to change it for the better.

When a city has faced disinvestment the way Detroit has (by many of your neighbors over the last 50 years) and now has to deal with problems that should be addressed at a State level people outside of the city are needed to help, not bitch about what the city should be for them when they come to Tigers games/bars.

How much downtown trash do you think comes from Tigers/Lions fans. The last tailgate that I cleaned up after in my area I filled 2 large garbage bags full of empty cases, food wrappers, etc left behind by tailgaters. How many Tigers napkins do you see blowing around GCP. They are put there by the homeless that can't afford a aticket or a hot dog from Comerica Park./
Top of pageBottom of page

Jams
Member
Username: Jams

Post Number: 3349
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 68.252.68.130
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 2:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not sure which offends me more about Jqls.
His arrogant attitude regarding his visits to the City or his inability to coherently type a thought.

"Excuse me, I have to take a piss now. I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of indoor plumbing, so I'll just piss on the nearest wall.

Thank you for helping to clean up and making this a livable City.

(Message edited by JamS on May 19, 2006)
Top of pageBottom of page

Jqls
Member
Username: Jqls

Post Number: 26
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 68.43.81.255
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 2:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jt1 I totally agree that the suburb folk do trash those areas when tailgating and such. I personally take my garbage with me, tell others I'm with to not litter. And for your question if I pick up litter/garbage. Yes I do that where ever I may be. Whether it be detroit, royal oak, downriver, canton, etc..

Nothing burns me more than someone throwing garbage on the ground when there is a can 20 feet away. I would probably speak my mind more to others when I am down there, except for the fact I do not want to get my ass kicked by some spoiled ass steriod freak from warren or some other suburban city. When I went to school at WSU I consistantly volunteered in detroit and in the detroit area. Not so much anymore, and yes I probably should, but with careers and family it is tough. But I will tell you one thing, when I am at the tiger game (which has been great this year) I don't even throw my hotdog wrapper on the ground in the stadium. This seems to be common stadium practice but I think it is totally ridiculous.

Sorry for rambling on or offending your city. I just want Detroit to come back and attract out of towners.

I personlly do my best in promoting the city to others. When I attend birthday/anniversy parties I buy them gift certs. for Marios, roma cafe, small plates, bail cork (excuse spelling), and slows. This my way of forcing the Suburbanites to see the city up and coming.
Top of pageBottom of page

Jt1
Member
Username: Jt1

Post Number: 7430
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 198.208.159.19
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 2:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jqls - I offer my apologies and my gratitude. People like you are a major benefit to the city and are very appreciated.

Next time your out let me know where you're going and I will leave some money with the bartender for a beer or two for you.
Top of pageBottom of page

_sj_
Member
Username: _sj_

Post Number: 1356
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 69.220.230.150
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 5:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Compn, according to studies; the cell phone is a larger distraction than radios, talking, etc. Signing along, now that is another story.
Top of pageBottom of page

Dang
Member
Username: Dang

Post Number: 41
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 69.213.80.130
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 5:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know, I wish this would apply to Police Officers. I can't remember the last time I DIDN'T see a cop yakking away on their cell phone while they're supposed to be patroling.
Top of pageBottom of page

Xphillipjrx
Member
Username: Xphillipjrx

Post Number: 132
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.75.240.133
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 6:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is already on the books in Chicago. You can get pulled over for being on the phone without a handsfree AND it's $250 if you get in a wreck and they determine that you were on the phone at the time.
Top of pageBottom of page

Billybbrew
Member
Username: Billybbrew

Post Number: 166
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 64.12.116.204
Posted on Friday, May 19, 2006 - 10:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've come to the conclusion that drivers cause accidents, so we should just ban all drivers and walk everywhere.....

Add Your Message Here
Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.