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Tarkus
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I just talked to the construction manager for Broderick Tower. They are set to begin in late July or early August. It will be an entire gutting of the building with the upper 2 or 3 floors being a 2 story condo. The old Embers downstairs will also be gutted for a new restaurant. He said they will also be doing the Detroit Life building renovation. I realize this was in another thread but I could not locate it.
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Rjlj
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http://www.brodericktower.com/
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Eastsidedog
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They should call them "Whale Building Lofts." :-)
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Tkelly1986
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they should put a crown on the top of it, like a smaller version of the Fisher Building crown
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Motorcitymayor2026
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It did used to have a decorative top, but it wont be restored in the renovation.
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Gistok
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How about a nice spire, like this one:

www.greatbuildings.com/cgi-bin /gbi.cgi/Chartres_Cathedral.ht ml/cid_aj2821_b.gbi

The south tower (the one on the right) of France's Chartres Cathedral (dating from 1140 AD) has one of the finest spires anywhere.

Too bad that such a spire is totally unrealistic, but not out of place on a fancy octagonal Gothic top like the Broderick. It would really soar....

(Message edited by Gistok on June 01, 2006)
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Lexdetroitman_07
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This will definitely add a nice new living area to the city and hopefully add to the attraction of new residents moving to the downtown area!! Great News for Detroit!!

Lexdetroitman_07
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Wolverine
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I wonder what lucky individual will get the top floor with the nice high ceilings and arched windows. Unfortunately, they'll be neighbors with the mechanical room and won't have elevator access, unless KDG plans to change all that.
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Lt_tom
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How about a crown similar to the Library Tower in Los Angeles
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Gistok
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Wolverine, I bet it's the same lucky guy who also gets the entire floor below it (33rd) WITH elevator access... and that guy would be lucky indeed... especially if he can afford the rent! And if he can afford all that... he can afford extra soundproofing!
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Jerome81
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these are for purchase or rent?
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Motorcitymayor2026
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it will be rent for 5 years and then converted into condos
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Naturalsister
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Come on Wolverine,

Penthouse with no elevator access?

Not.
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Mallory
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Help me out a little. Wasn't there a ballroom at the top of the Brod? I faintly remember it, marble everywhere. Or am I thinking of another building? A restaurant at the top, with views of downtown or Comerica, might be nice.
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Burnsie
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Gistok-- No spire should be put on top of the Broderick. Most buildings worth a damn are designed from start to finish with a cohesive look. Retrofitting additions to them, (unless they duplicate something that had been removed) rarely makes them look better and corrupts the vision of the original architect.
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Rjlj
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Don't worry, a spire is not planned. There was not a ballroom on the top floor. There was once a private club at he top. A restaurant would be nice but it would cost a lot of money to do so and it would but quite small. The believe the plans and prints for the tower are pretty much complete and have been submitted. KDG can confirm this.
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Eastsidedog
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Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 11:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I heard City Club is moving to the top of the Broderick.
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Mallory
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Thanks for the update. I wasn't sure. I blame it on my quality Wayne State education.
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Rjlj
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Actually City Club II will be opening in the basement with the parking garage serving as the dance floor.
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7milekid
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All of these new residential developments within the city are great and I am extremely excited to see the way they turn out, but am I the only one wondering where all of these people are supposed to work?
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Gistok
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I know Burnsie... but there was something akin to a Chippendale broken pendiment top there once. (Which begs the question... mixing Chippendale and Gothic????)

Without a finishing touch, the top looks sorta funny, an abrupt end. And since you're talking about corrupting the original vision of the architect.... GCP is full of just that! The neighboring Whitney Building, the Michigan Mutual Building (next to Fyfle), the UA Building, and many other downtown buildings have long ago lost their "architects intent" due to mid 20th Century remodeling. That is what also happened to the top of the Broderick. It just needs some kind of finishing touch.
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Eastsidedog
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quote:

am I the only one wondering where all of these people are supposed to work?



Well... in the suburbs of course! Haven't you read the reverse commuting thread?
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Motorcitymayor2026
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well 7milekid, the people that will be buying the Broderick Tower condos will already have solid jobs, either moving in from the burbs to be closer to work, or already living in Detroit
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7milekid
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well motorcitymayor,
that doesn't solve any of our problems then does it. People emigrating from the burbs or other parts of Detroit doesn't create growth. Isnt that what the city needs most and is aiming for?
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Quinn
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Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Crown for the top? You guys are nutz...it looks the same today as it did when it was built.

b
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Bvos
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So lets see, folks move from outside of the city limits into Detroit to the Broderick Tower.

Suburbs: -1
Detroit: +1

I don't know about you but it seems that this is growth for Detroit to me.
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7milekid
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Wow thats a great picture of the building.

as for BVOS i see that you employ the same type of thinking that has gotten the city into its current lowly state. Its not supposed to be Us vs. THEM. its supposed to be US+THEM= well being for the entire region. You probably also voted for Kwame.
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Bvos
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It's not about us vs. them, it's about dealing with the here and now. The fact is that SE Michigan is hardly growing in population and hasn't been for quite a while. Meanwhile our metro area is developing greenspace (forests, fields, wetlands, etc) by a rate of 3-9 times greater than population growth. This is about creating a sustainable metro area which mean redeveloping and rebuilding the population of Detroit and slowing the population growth of the suburbs and exurbs. This is good for the entire region.

There is no way I voted for KK.
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Eastsidedog
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Chances are that half the folks buying units in the Broderick won't be from Michigan. I've been noticing that a lot of transplants that I meet in the city aren't from Michigan, many are from the east coast. Anyone else notice this?
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Mackinaw
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Well said Bvos. I don't know how the KK comparison got thrown in, though.
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Llyn
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Even those that rent or eventually buy in the BT that work downtown but commute will be a plus. One step closer to a 24-7 downtown. People need to live downtown as well as work there.
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Burnsie
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Gistok-- I realize that the architect's vision of the Broderick has already been (mildly) corrupted by the removal of some ornament on the top, but any finishing touch should only replicate that and not add something that was never there.
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Rjlj
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As you know the units in Broderick Tower will have to be leased for 5 years before they are sold off as condos. It is expected that all the units will be leased between 6-12 months of the opening, maybe sooner. Broderick Tower will be the finest high-rise residential buildings between Chicago and New York City. It does not matter where these people come from. Slowing urban sprawl and re-populating downtown Detroit is good for Michigan environmentally and economically. People will find work downtown, start new jobs downtown or commute to the suburbs. This is not a new scenario (maybe for Detroit) and it does work.
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Gistok
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Quinn.... sorry but there was too a "top" to the building... Notice those black (unlit) embellishments at the very top. Those are the "broken pendiments", removed back in the mid-20th century. And they won't be replaced according to KDG. And the cornice right below that (the bright light line surrounding the top edge of the building is the cornice lit up) will not be replaced either.

They don't seem like much from the street, but up close they quite nice, and did add charm to the top.
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Quinn
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Gistok....well hornswiggle-my-swaggle you are correct. I don't think I ever noticed the disparity.

It's actually a shame they don't restore it...if they ever plan to light it up at night it won't have that punch of light from the missing cornice.

b
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Rjlj
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The key word here is money. Anything can be done with the right amount of money. Does anyone want to send donations to the BT cornice fund? Be happy the building is coming back to life. Just wait until it is lit up when driving down the expressway or down Woodward from midtown or watching Tiger games on TV or from the park. Everyone is going to be impressed and want to live in THE Premiere Downtown Detroit living spot once it is cleaned and lit up.
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Quinn
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Rjlj I still think it will be great with those arches lit up. And you're right...sometimes we get bitchy about minute details despite the larger, great picture.
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Llyn
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Broderck Tower is now out for bid. Bids are due June 20. A cursory review of the plans - they look pretty thorough from a quick glance. They also show the underground tunnel to GCP underground parking and the small building or entrance connected to the BT on Woodward.
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Broken_main
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I wonder how it is possible to see the river from all 4 sides of the building?
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Apbest
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up for bid?
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Detroit313
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How much will the Top floor condo go for? Think it will top $1million? 313
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Rjlj
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Bid meaning bids for contractors to do dry walling, framing, etc.. The market will drive the price for condos after five years of being rented as apartments.
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Apbest
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my guess is after 5 years, that penthouse will be real expensive...with the amount of residential going up in the area they will have some competition that will moderate the price of the average condo for example (though those other projects increase the desirability of the neighborhood which would increase the price)...but it will be the tallets residential building in lower woodward by far (well depends where the BC condos are in the building) so considering the views and quality of the space...Id say at least 1-1.3 million
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Rjlj
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There are 3 units on the very top floor.
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Gistok
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Both the Broderick Tower and Book Cadillac top of at 34 floors. Not sure which is taller, but the Book Cadillac has hotel floors, while the Broderick Tower has office floors. That may mean the Broderick Tower has the edge. But again, I'm not sure.
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Andyguard73
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Gistok, from Emporis:

Broderick Tower: 35 floors, 369 feet.
Book-Cadillac: 29 floors, 351 feet.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/c i/bu/?id=101037

I always thought the Book-Caddy was 33, myself.

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