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Itsjeff
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A Virginia anti-abortion protester is suing the City of Detroit, charging that city police officers illegally arrested him and impounded his truck that featured graphic posters of aborted fetuses.

The incident happened to Dennis Green of suburban Richmond in February during Super Bowl XL.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060608/NEW S01/606080439/1003
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Itsjeff
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Here it is:

truthtruck
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Mackinaw
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Pretty interesting case, actually. I wonder if there are precedents.
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Oldredfordette
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I saw it! It was awesome. They were jumping up and down.
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Andylinn
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it sounds to me like the hick guy doesn't have a case. if, as it says in the article, there is a city ordinance against mobile advertising, then this jack ass loses the case.

thanks for wasting our tax dollars on legal fees, mr. man.
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Gambling_man
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He very well be a hick, and you may not agree with his message nor how he communicates it.....but he may very well have a good case, although monetary damages would be difficult to asses, as he likely lost nothing.
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Itsjeff
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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...


The police were wrong to stop the guy and seize his truck. My guess is that the City will settle for $50,000.

(Message edited by itsjeff on June 08, 2006)
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Ilovedetroit
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I am so glad that I am pro-choice.
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Pam
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Is Karl flying in to attend the trial?
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Smogboy
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I heard Karl's selling t-shirts at the trial.
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Thursdaynext
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So if children that saw this guys vehicle are currently experiencing nightmares after having been exposed to these graphics, can their parents sue him for the emotional trauma he has caused these kids?

"Regardless of its source, an emotional trauma contains three common elements:

* it was unexpected
* the person was unprepared
* there was nothing the person could do to prevent it from happening"

BTW - I bring this up because I still get a little weirded out when I think about this traveling display they had when I was a kid. It was at the Livonia Mall and it was a large bus that housed displays of items used by police, prisons, etc. One of the items was an actual gas chair used for putting criminals to their deaths. There was a small picture above it, showing a person strapped into the contraption. As a kid I found this very disturbing.
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Tortfeasor
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The government is allowed to place reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions on speech. Here, there is an ordinance prohibitting advertisements on trucks, mainly because they tend to distract drivers. There is nothing wrong with such an ordinance--they are routinely upheld.
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Rjk
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"Here, there is an ordinance prohibitting advertisements on trucks, mainly because they tend to distract drivers."

Then why is the ordinance only in effect during large events as the article states?
This ordinace was all about controlling who was adverising during the SB and how much money the city/event could get from them.

It'll all depend on the exact wording of the ordinance. In my opinion that guys truck is really no different than the gentleman I saw down there during the SB who stood on the sidewalk and yelled bible versus and talked about God (poice did nothing) as people walked by.
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Karl
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The only protests are from hand-wringers like Itsjeff who started this thread. Reality is just so - so - awful that folks like Itsjeff really can't face it.

When a small group of loud people get in bureaucrats faces and scream, bureaucrats issue tickets and seize stuff to make 'em happy. Now the bureaucrats will have to settle up for singling this guy out to appease the whiners. If only the folks knew how much the small group of whiners cost all the taxpayers, they might not be supportive.

Disturbing pictures? Oh no, we can't have that. But teach your kids they'd better learn to accept gay marriage or else.

Funny how all that "acceptance" stuff only seems to work one way.
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Tortfeasor
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I was just giving one of the rationales behind the ordinance. Frankly, it doesn't really matter why they passed it because such ordinances are routinely upheld by courts.
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Itsjeff
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Karl, look again. I'm the one who quoted the Constitution, said that the police shouldn't have detained the guy and predicted that this will cost the city $50,000.

Of course the "Truth Truck" is awful. But what's worse is living in a society where the police can arbitrarily seize your car be cause they don't lke the way it looks.
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Karl
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I apologize, Itsjeff - I didn't read closely enough and you indeed are fair.

The "Truth Truck" is awful - because cutting up and killing babies is awful. Perhaps someday folks will learn to choose before they get pregnant, instead of killing 'em later for "convenience"

Ilovedetroit: I'm so glad your mother was pro-life.
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7milekid
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anyone who says that this man has the right to do what he did MUST accept the fact that people also have the right to have an abortion if they choose to, there can't be a double standard here or else it defeats your whole argument.
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Karl
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Hardly, 7milekid. Does allowing the posting of pictures of the result of the Holocaust mean folks have a right to continue it? Do you have a right to life, or would you have told your mama "go ahead, abort me - I'm not worth a thing, now or later"? At the moment of conception you were created - DNA that will never occur again in the history of the planet.

As the words of a song say: "There'll never be another you...." - dead or alive. Did you ever wonder if perhaps we'd have cured AIDS, cancer, diabetes, etc altogether, or faster, if we'd not aborted 44,000,000 since 1973?

Thankfully, your mother was pro-life or it coulda' been your picture on the side of the truck..

(Message edited by karl on June 10, 2006)
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7milekid
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using the example of genocide to relate to abortion is ludacris. As a matter of fact my mother is pro-choice and she chose to give birth to me which was her right. She had the means to give birth into a stable family with a supportive father and home, many of the people that have abortions aren't so lucky. Im not excusing abortion because people should think about the conciquences before hand, but its not anyones choice but the individual affected. Once again you have contradictted yourself within your own argument. However, abortion is too heated of a topic for me to debate any further with you. I assume you are a right wing religious zealot, so no matter what I or anyone else has to say you wouldnt be willing to listen. Listen to what we say or we'll hurt you!

As for the dude with the truck, I hope they file some type of counter suit and prosecute him. He is guilty of subjecting people to things that they neither needed or wanted to see. Could you imagine the reaction from this guy if someone made an anti porn truck with pornography on it?! That wouldnt be ok, and neither is this.

(Message edited by 7milekid on June 10, 2006)
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Karl
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7milekid - sorry, you're the one who won't listen. I used to be just like you, then I started listening - and thinking.

Your porn truck argument doesn't work - sorta like saying if you don't like the porn channels, don't look.

Now, about your mama: please ask her how she decided which ones to kill and which ones to keep. Lucky you!

Not sure what you mean by a "right wing religious zealot" but if you mean that I believe in something, yes I do, along with most folks. But I don't think that is what you mean, is it?

And why is the holocaust example "ludicris"? You simply stated that, with no reason behind it.
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Cheddar_bob
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I know of someone's mom who should have had an abortion.
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Livernoisyard
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"I know of someone's mom who should have had an abortion."

It's quite probable that you're not made of top cloning material yourself.
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Irish_mafia
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Karl,

I will let your comment to Ilovedetroit stand. Mine was less compassionate.
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Mountainman
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I was thinking of putting pictures on the side of 1984 Volkswagon of homeless, poor, and destitute people who were not aborted. Maybe drug addicted babies. Or really twisted looking kids, born with numerous birth defects. I'm thinking about driving it to this dude's town and maybe parking somewhere up the street from him. Think he would complain to the police?
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Superduperman
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What about that Ikea Truck? Riding around showing its wears,forcing me to consider shopping there,it was very disturbing for me.
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Itsjeff
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The Ikea truck is commerce. It can be more easily regulated than speech.
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Mountainman
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Great back to Ikea ....... They were trying to honour the Swedes on the wings
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Themax
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How about some pictures of the fetuses without brainstems aborted by Republican women who testified before Congress against the "partial birth abortion" ban?
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Karl
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No one ever said it was a one-party issue, Themax. However, it is largely the Dems who are against the partial birth abortion (infanticide) ban as well as any restriction any abortion.
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Kimmiann
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Karl - you don't know that ilovedetroit's mother is pro-life. It's entirely likely she was/is pro-choice and made the choice to have her child/children. Personally, I would be offended if you had said that to one of my children, which I chose to have, as is my right.

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