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Royce
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Post Number: 1635
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The mayor has said that he wants to renovate the current DPD HQ. Why not buy the land at Gratiot and I-375 from Greektown Casino and build a larger HQ?
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Deputy_mayor_2026
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 04-2006
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The exisitng building would look very nice if they just refinished/cleaned the outside. I can't imagine they would need more space, considering it was once operating with twice the inhabitants in the city, but I may be wrong.
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Livedog2
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Post Number: 412
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 24.223.133.177
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:02 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How can they move it? It wouldn't be 1300 Beaubien anymore!

Livedog2
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Erikd
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Post Number: 642
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Posted From: 69.242.214.106
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 3:02 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

According to KK, the DPD no longer requires a larger facility.

The elimination of holding cells, the movement of 911/communications to a seperate facility, and the department downsizing all add up to much less space needed in the DPD HQ.

If the DPD no longer needs a bigger building, it makes sense to renovate the existing building...
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Broken_main
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Post Number: 1120
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 3:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with all of the downsizing taking place in the city, the renovation of 1300 would be the most logical choice. I think gutting the building and renovating could actually work. It is, afterall a wondeful structure
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River_rat
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Post Number: 141
Registered: 02-2006
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1300 B. (as it was known by some of us in the past) is a great building, but as with so many of our great structures, it should be torn down, not renovated. It is the Detroit way. The facts of whether or not it could be renovated are immaterial. Kinda like everything else in Detroit.

Check other threads, we have some people who want to have a festival to recall the 1967 riots, the Book-Cadillac project is on the rocks, the U. S. auto industry continues to implode. Few in Detroit want to recognize the real problems. Forty years (and more to come, along with continuing decline) of inept and corrupt politicians, crime unabated, and a legal-judicial system that doesn't work.

Who is to blame. The citizens of Detroit. They elect the politicians, populate the juries, and accept the status of the last four decades.

And they have no interest in saving anything.
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Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 613
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Posted From: 209.69.221.253
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's the kind of positive, visionary thinking that is going to help. Thanks, River Rat.
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River_rat
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Post Number: 142
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroitnerd - do you disagree with me?

The positive thing to do would be to correct the problems of inept politicians, unchecked crime and the local legal system. Until the citizens do this Detroit will continue to slide.
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Llyn
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Post Number: 1561
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 68.61.197.206
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Feel free to get started.
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River_rat
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Post Number: 143
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Llyn, I don't think I can do it alone.

One man, one vote - what a shame.
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Livedog2
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Post Number: 415
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amen, River_rat! The voice of reason and truth if I have ever heard it!!

Livedog2
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Ndavies
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Post Number: 1903
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Posted From: 129.9.163.106
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River_rat, Thank God not everyone thinks like you. Nothing would get done if that was the case. Every change starts with one person. It can't start any other way.

So the questions back in your court. What have you done to help the situation? Other than to spout of your ignorance on the internet.
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Michigansheik
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 09-2005
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

why not accept small positive steps for what they are small positive steps, Then you, me and everyone else can help make the next small positive step happen.
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Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 614
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Well, architecturally speaking, 1300 Beaubien is a Kahn, and worth restoring. I hear it has been neglected, but walk around the corner and see the splendor of the DAC, another Kahn that was rehabilitated and looks wonderful.
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Eastsidedog
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Post Number: 523
Registered: 03-2006
Posted From: 69.220.142.7
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River_rat, I can feel the positivity flowing through the 0's and 1's. You really are inspirational.

Why don't you move to Detroit and start voting? That would be a good first step.

Pardon my optimism river_rat because the whole city really is one giant black hole of death but, my wife and I planted a beautiful garden and a bunch of little trees by our house this weekend. I think Detroit is a tiny bit better because of it. :-)

Oh, and I agree. Gut and rehab 1300. It'll be awesome! A new HQ is long overdue for the poorly paid overworked Detroit's finest.
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River_rat
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Post Number: 144
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ndavies. You sound like the musical, "Don Quixote", "..one man with his last ounce of courage, etc. etc."

This city is so mired in the problems noted that it needs a different approach. If you are looking for a quote to fit, think Mao."a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step" That step is not possible in our current city situation. Again, the politicians. The city needs to cede sovereignity and find a management structure that is not politically based. It sure isn't working this way.

The population of this city needs to be taken out of the management equation. It will never accept the measures required to save themselves and the city. Very un-American, I agree.

What will happen is that things will just continue to decline until the current city government structure fully collapses and new small area entities will be established (the CBD, Palmer Woods, etc.) as new jurisdictions.

Think the former nation known as Yugoslavia.
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Ndavies
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Post Number: 1904
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Typical bullshit from someone unwilling to help. It's everyone else's problem and not your's. The only way to bring about change is to get involved. Until you're willing to get involved quit yapping about Detroit's problems.

There are plenty of current and past forum members who are working diligently to change the things they can. You claim that a single step is not possible. However the results of those single steps taken by many people are blossoming all around you.

Are those steps easy? Hell no the're not. But some of us think the results are well worth the effort we're expending. The last thing we need is morons like you sitting on the sideline throwing more shit on the people actually trying to improve things.

So, what have you done other than spew your stupid shit on the forum? Have you volunteered at a homeless shelter? Have you volunteered for a political campaign? Have you volunteered to help with the cleanup in the city? Have you invested your money in the city? Have you applied for a job downtown? What the fuck have you done other than bitch and whine?
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River_rat
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Post Number: 145
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would it matter if I said yes all but the last of your questions?
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Eastsidedog
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Ndavies.

River_rat, if you can't accept gradual change for the better and demand a revolution why don't you just get out the sniper rifle?
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Ndavies
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 1:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, it would matter. If just 1% or 2% of the people who sit on the outside and throw rocks at the city would get the hell off their high horses, got down and got dirty volunteering to help the city, it could be a very special place.
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Merchantgander
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ndavies I think you would be surprised at how many of the people that volunteer in the city don't live in the city.

Look at the motor city clean up or whatever they call it. Detroiters trash their city them expect outsiders to come in and clean it up.

If Detroiters want change then it has to start at home first. While I might not agree with everything r_r said it isn't that far from the truth.
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Ndavies
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mechantgander, I do agree with you. There are many people outside the city who volunteer their time and money to make the city a much better place. My rant is directed at people who continue to whine about other people not doing anything, only to have them sit on their hands and not help.

The constant barrage of hate from these people is not helping and becoming increasingly obnoxious. We know we have many problems. We're not stupid, we can see them. Now instead of constantly bitching about them, What are you doing to truly help the situation?
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Jams
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

River_rat's statement:

quote:

The city needs to cede sovereignity and find a management structure that is not politically based. It sure isn't working this way.




I think that is called TOTALITARIANISM.

Not a place I want to live .
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 3:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Royce, I thought it was already decided that the current Beaubien building was going to undergo renovations, with exterior cleaning starting soon. I was suprised when I saw this thread revisiting the topic. We need someone in the know to clear this up...I'll look for any articles that are out there.
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Hysteria
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Post Number: 413
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Posted From: 205.188.116.137
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 7:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here it is ...

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/62684/70519.html

I knew I remembered it too.
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Huggybear
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Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 7:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

The exisitng building would look very nice if they just refinished/cleaned the outside. I can't imagine they would need more space, considering it was once operating with twice the inhabitants in the city, but I may be wrong.


It's a cramped, dingy, technologically backward hellhole inside. Needs to be gutted.
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Iheartthed
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 64.131.176.232
Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 8:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Merchantgander, there are many Detroiters who have always gone through painstaking efforts to try to keep their areas clean. They were here well before suburban bred college students began to think that helping clean inner-city neighborhoods sounded like a good idea. They received no accolades. They will be here well after the community service fad dies out among suburban bred youth. Yet, they will still receive no accolades.

And they've never asked for anyone else to come in and clean it up.
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Deandub11
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 05-2006
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Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 1:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

smart....go after the suburban college kids trying to help...that will really help the cause as it has gone so well without them
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Iheartthed
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Who went after them? I'm just saying that nobody outside of Detroit gave a shit about who was cleaning it before they decided to come in and do it. Just setting the record straight...

I personally welcome them to come and stay as long as they want.
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Merchantgander
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Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 3:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IHD, if Detroiters kept the city clean there would be no need to have the Motor City Makeover for one month each year.
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River_rat
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Post Number: 146
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Posted From: 72.66.120.108
Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 4:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ndavies has such a way with words, So, what have you done other than spew your stupid shit on the forum? Have you volunteered at a homeless shelter? Have you volunteered for a political campaign? Have you volunteered to help with the cleanup in the city? Have you invested your money in the city? Have you applied for a job downtown? What the fuck have you done other than bitch and whine?

It is unusual that I take the time to respond to such eriudite language, but, in this case....

The answer to all your questions Ndavies is yes, except my job was in the city around Wayne State. Now retired. The forum should be able to hear diverse opinions without resorting to diatribes from those who speak without knowing the facts.
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Focusonthed
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Post Number: 261
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Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 5:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh shit, you just opened a can of worms
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Hamtramck_steve
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Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 7:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The anticipation is killing me!
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Oliverdouglas
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Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 7:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't understand why the negative posters on this site bother to visit.
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Vandykenjefferson
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Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 7:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Merchantgander, you raise an interesting point, but one a feel is full of stereotypes.

One part of my job is following through with dumping tickets for the city of detroit, and at the minimum 1/2 of the tickets are from people with suburban addresses. I'm not saying all the trash is the suburbs fault, but how many times do detroiters dump in the 'burbs?

Secondly, you say the motorcity makeover is all suburbanites... I from personal experience know this is non-sense. There are is a good number of burbaganders, but they should do this. This is just being a good regional citizen... As a detroit resident view it my duty to help at Arts Beats and Eats. We need to stop this us v.s. them stuff and get to work together.

(Message edited by vandykenjefferson on June 14, 2006)
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River_rat
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vandykenjefferson...You are so correct that one of our problems is the Detroit vs. the burbs mentality. This was the mantra of a long-term mayor and will be hard to overcome.

It will happen because nothing gets worse forever.
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Iheartthed
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This was the mantra of a long-term mayor

As well as a still currently serving county executive...
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Merchantgander
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Post Number: 1894
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Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 7:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vandykenjefferson please remove your head from your ass and re-read everything I wrote.


quote:

full of stereotypes




Please point out all the stereotypes I used please.


quote:

motorcity makeover is all suburbanites




Please show where I said that and don't give me that implied bullshit.


quote:

us vs. them




No shit.

Just so you know I live in the city.

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