  Navin_parker Member Username: Navin_parker Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2006 |
Navin Parker, I completely agree with your view on the Corktown plan, basically I almost have to look at it as a scam to let the public think the city has plans for the site. It boggles my mind that the city cannot see the importance of the site. I have friends that still live in the Corktown area and as much as it would possibly help the area if something else was there, they all agree its not really hurting anybody being there either. What I don't understand is how the city (Mr. Killpatrick) and the Tigers (Mr. Illitch) can't see this as an oppurtunity. An oppurtunity to do something no other city has been able to do with an abandon ballpark ever, and that is keep it standing. Other cities have pretty much been forced to raze them, like in Chicago when Comiskey Park had to go because it was right across the street from, well, Comiskey Park, or Nextel park or whatever its called this week to make way for parking. Mr. Killpatrick and Mr. Illitch have come under fire for years for different reasons. It wasn't too long ago people were calling for Mr. Illitch to sell the team so they could contend and all the problems Mr. Killpatrick has had with so many things in the city this is an oppurtunity for them to be heros. So many including myself would forgive them for so many things I think. They have both said time and again how they loved the ballpark, grew up there, etc. If Mr. Illitch is so in love with his beloved Tigers franchise how can he turn his back on its origin? The Red Sox and Cubs are both pouring millions of dollars into Fenway and Wrigley this year AGAIN to help keep it up. I've been in both, both are glorious but they are not Tiger Stadium. On top of everything else baseball wise, its almost an architecual masterpiece. It was built piece by piece over years and years and is still as sound as it was 50 years ago. Part of the problem started when Mr. Monahan bought the team I think. Thats when the team kind of quit caring about the upkeep it seems so not all the blame falls on the current ownership or city officials, Mr. Monahan and Coleman Young wanted it gone years earlier for some reason. Fenway sells out EVERY game, so does Wrigley. Didn't the Red Sox win a World Series without a new park? The Cubs are historically a bad team even with good players but this year even after the White Sox won the WS the Cubs drew MORE in a smaller park. If the people that have the means and greens to help save it can't seem to get anywhere with the city, unfortunately you and I don't either. Its sad but true I guess. Who knows, maybe someday before the old girl is gone I'll see you there and we can walk over to Nemos or Caseys and I'll buy ya a beer. POINT WELL TAKEN LOLICH COMBO!! ______________________________ ____________________ | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4880 Registered: 10-2003 |
Come again? | ||
Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2005 |
You make some good points. Detroit is already in such a unique position of being a city reborn in a sense. This could be a precedent setting example for all other cities who are building new parks. unfortunately it seems that the last thing illitch wants is for the a minor league team or a soccer team or any real use that could come out of that stadium, to ever really take place. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 340 Registered: 03-2006 |
Im with Lmich on this one...huh? | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 636 Registered: 11-2004 |
Looks to be a post from another message board to me. (Message edited by eric on December 13, 2006) | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 358 Registered: 01-2006 |
Waste of bw. | ||
Udmphikapbob Member Username: Udmphikapbob Post Number: 243 Registered: 07-2004 |
the time to save Tiger Stadium was 10 years ago, before CoPa was built. the alleged plan to keep the field intact and keep a part for a visitor center, while adding new development all around it is the right thing to do. as long as that IS the real plan, people need to move on. | ||
Enduro Member Username: Enduro Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2006 |
I agree. And I've been to Wrigley, it's really nice. Tiger Stadium, although, a home town favorite was flawed. I live in Corktown, I'm ready for new stuff. Seriously, what on earth could you do with such a massive building? No minor league team is popular enough, no big 4 sports team would move in, no museum would raise enough to pay for it... Put the pipe, and the pipe dream down already. | ||
Chucktown_motown Member Username: Chucktown_motown Post Number: 27 Registered: 09-2006 |
Look mana straight the F*** up. Mike Illitch is a piece. He just failed to take care of the Stadium so his boybody lookin self could get a new one. Comerica what a Sh***ty ballpark. Nothing traditional Tiger's. There's not even a Upper Deck what is that s***. Oh and by the way Mr Illitch. I have broke into your ballpark on repeat occations over the lat 4 years, got wasted, smoked L's and even got some "cheek beatin'" action up in the dugout's and the bullpens...I even pissed in the troughs'. Now what! What to do with the Stadium keep it...If I win the 100 million dollar lottery I'll buy it and the Knonk Gym... | ||
Boshna Member Username: Boshna Post Number: 143 Registered: 01-2005 |
Quality post, Chucktown. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 3281 Registered: 08-2004 |
Some people just need to move on.... Corktown will finally get rid of the blight (not the stadium) of all those empty lots that were weed strewn and used for parking on game days. They'll be glad to get infill to make their neighborhood look nice once again! | ||
Tigersfan9 Member Username: Tigersfan9 Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2005 |
I admire everyone's desire to save more of the ballpark than the mayor's plan calls for, and I was as determined as anyone to save Tiger Stadium. All that changed when I went into the park on Monday and saw what's there. It wasn't good, and most of the park would require huge amounts of rehabilitation. Any and all of the indoor areas--locker rooms, tunnels between clubhouse and dugout, coaches' offices, the front office--are in complete and total disrepair. The ceilings have fallen in, there's extensive water damage, likely harmful mold, among other issues. The third level (suites and auxiliary press box) was completely rotted away. All that was left up there were huge piles of bird droppings, some dead birds, and some "goo" that used to be carpet and/or paint. The press box between the upper and lower decks is the same way. I used to think that the City of Detroit was just hiding a prefectly preserved and useable facility behind its locked doors. That's hardly the case. As much as it pains me to say it, the damage is done, and the city will (rightfully) pull the plug on most of the Stadium this spring. | ||
Jmarx Member Username: Jmarx Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2005 |
Any pics, Tigersfan9...? | ||
Tigersfan9 Member Username: Tigersfan9 Post Number: 79 Registered: 03-2005 |
Trying to figure out how to post them here on this board. Any help would be greatly appreciated, then I'll post them. I took a ton. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2382 Registered: 10-2003 |
https://www.detroityes.com/faq.htm# How_do_I_post_a_picture | ||
Jmarx Member Username: Jmarx Post Number: 22 Registered: 01-2005 |
Would love to see the pics, Tigersfan9...pls don't hesitate to ask if the FAQ link Ndavies posted doesn't answer your questions. | ||
Tigersfan9 Member Username: Tigersfan9 Post Number: 81 Registered: 03-2005 |
I'm getting around to it, but it's not as easy as I would have liked. I'm trying to put up a web page people can visit, but it's taking a while. Using google's page creator. Anyone have any other ideas? | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4130 Registered: 10-2003 |
I hesitated to post pictures from the walk through because I didn't want some opponent of the Corktown Plan to use them to their own ends or otherwise have them used to give comfort to those who seek to thwart the Stadium's re-development (confidential to Rod...I know a place you can put your secret camera) but the reality is these are shoe phone pictures and my photography skills are hardly professional. And just to be on the safe side, consider these pic's copyrighted, all rights reserved... In any case, I thought the stadium looked, more or less, pretty good. I mean it is an outdoor facility that hasn't been used in seven years. Could you play there tomorrow, no, but it isn't falling apart either. Actually the most damage hasn't been from neglect so much as from vandals. Mostly cutting the "D" of Tiger Den seats, although foam backed seats probably aren't worth that much after seven years. I was pleased to see the 'Save Fenway Park' bumper sticker was still on the section 424 support beam after all these years. The field was in decent shape, other things considered. Anyway you people want pics...  The sign at the Michigan and Cochrane corner, from the pitchers mound.  View from the pitchers mound.  Box seats on the third base side.  The field from the third story press box.  Right Field Foul Pole, I still say any ball that catches the overhang would have been a home run anyway, others tell me different.  Light tower in Right Field. (Message edited by Jelk on December 22, 2006) | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4131 Registered: 10-2003 |
Redux...  The classic walk to your seats. | ||
Enduro Member Username: Enduro Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2006 |
Good stuff, Jelk. The view from the mound gave me goosebumps for a moment. I hope they keep the backstop area the same for the lil leaguers (and me on some drunken night). | ||
Tigersfan9 Member Username: Tigersfan9 Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2005 |
Here is a slideshow I tried to create with some of the pictures from last week's walk. Hope you enjoy. Sorry about the picture quality, there really isn't any good way to get the number of images I want to upload at the best quality onto the net, and I'm also trying to protect my images from being copied, so this seemed like a good way to do it. Here's the link: http://www.slideroll.com/playe r.php?s=vv65tzbn | ||
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen Post Number: 1822 Registered: 10-2003 |
Thanks, Jelk and Tigersfan9, for posting your photos of the Tiger Stadium walk-through. | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1278 Registered: 11-2003 |
That slideshow is awesome. Thank you!!!!! It looks like the locker room and indoor portions are showing their age and lack of heat in the winter. I particularly love the seats that were Yankee Stadium mint green from when they filmed 61 there. | ||
Jmarx Member Username: Jmarx Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2005 |
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! | ||
Schoolcraft Member Username: Schoolcraft Post Number: 46 Registered: 07-2005 |
Awesome. Thanks for photos. Leaves me a better feeling than watching TV the other night. Seeing "Detroit Swat Team" on A & E following them thru a typical day, and showing them at Tiger Stadium where the Swat Teams practice sniper shooting...wierd.. shooting from the upper deck with the targets inshallow center field.Did you find any casings? |
