  Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 305 Registered: 10-2006 |
Ok, this is Detroit-related because 1) Isaiah Thomas will always be considered a Piston and 2) The inevitable references to the Pistons/Pacers brawl.... How in the hell is Isaiah to be blamed for starting a fist fight between players who presumably knows better. Its one thing to chide someone about "stay out of the paint - or we are gonna hard foul you" and another thing entirely to throw a punch. This another example of the media starting trouble just to sell stories. Oh yeah, and by the way, CNN interviewed the DENVER coach as if he is supposed to be an unbiased source! Hello??? | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 990 Registered: 01-2004 |
Carmelo Anthony is a little pansy, he deserves the 15 game suspension he got. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 1270 Registered: 11-2003 |
If it only ended up being "chiding" then there would be no blame. However, the hard foul following the supposedly harmless "chiding" and his subsequent bitching about them running up the score afterwards has put the big red arrow pointing at Thomas. Carmelo came out of this looking the worst -- what a little bitch. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 375 Registered: 01-2006 |
Isaiah and Carmello both look stupid right now. I blame them equally for that fiasco. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4116 Registered: 10-2003 |
This won't look bad in a few months after Isiah is arrested trying to rob a bank in order to make payroll for the overpriced collection of stiffs he has assembled in New York. Highest payroll in the NBA for what may be the league's worst team. Philadelphia and Memphis may have worse records but the Grizzlies will look better now that Pau Gasol is healthy. And the 76ers have some young talent to build around. The Knicks are just a steaming pile of waste. Oh Isiah...you suck almost as bad as Matt Millen. | ||
Reetz12 Member Username: Reetz12 Post Number: 110 Registered: 09-2005 |
Little off the Topic.....But where can I rent a basketball court in the city? Either it be a school, community center, warehouse? Does anyone have any info for basketball court rentals in the city. Thanks in advance. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5308 Registered: 02-2004 |
Oh well! At least its not the Pistons vs. Pacers brawl. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 443 Registered: 05-2006 |
quote: Oh Isiah...you suck almost as bad as Matt Millen. ______________________________ ___________________ Is it just me, or does anyone else feel a twinge of sadness the way Zeek has fallen since he was "banished" from the Pistons? | ||
Deandub11 Member Username: Deandub11 Post Number: 76 Registered: 05-2006 |
This is a great thread and all, but this is one of the most influential Detroit sports figures of all time. Lets try to spell names correctly. The great one is named Isiah and his nickname is Zeke. Additionally, he probably did order Mardy Collins to attack whoever came to the basket, but he's from a different era, and hes a bad motherf*****. Ok he isn't the best GM...so what..he is one of the greatest NBA players of all time and did unbelievable things for our city. Don't disrespect Zeke and there won't be any problems (or flagrant fouls ordered). | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 306 Registered: 10-2006 |
Thanks guys for giving me a good belly chuckle. I'm not even mad anymore, I laughed so hard. (The comparison to Millen was a little below the belt though.) | ||
Crash_nyc Member Username: Crash_nyc Post Number: 698 Registered: 08-2004 |
The New York Daily News gave Isiah a brutal lashing yesterday. OUCH!: http://www.nydailynews.com/fro nt/story/481395p-405125c.html | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 819 Registered: 12-2005 |
Mama, always look up and avoid electric wires OH, Isiah! | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 577 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello. And this from a guy who organized "No Crime day" back in the day. Now he's resorted to having his henchmen deliver contract hits. Oh how the mighty have fallen. | ||
Bongman Member Username: Bongman Post Number: 1362 Registered: 12-2003 |
Isiah coaching the Knicks this season would be comparable to Matt Millen having to come down to field level to coach his own football mess. Some owners aren't willing to pay three coaches and a couple GMs like the Fords do so often. Zeke made a puddle in NY and the owner is rubbing his nose in it. | ||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2006 |
The Denver coach is the real culprit regarding the fight. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4120 Registered: 10-2003 |
No because he was given the same opportunity as Dumars, join the organization for year, learn how the front office works and then take over some real responsibility. Dumars took that offer and has become one the pro sports best executives, I mean Billy Beane and Ron Wolfe territory. Isiah decided he knew everything he needed to know about running a basketball team and scoffed at the Pistons plan. Toronto...the CBA...Indiana...New York...there's a pattern here. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 984 Registered: 11-2003 |
Look up! But I don't see anything... that's good, because there could have been electrical wires above! | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3392 Registered: 10-2003 |
lol Vizion... | ||
Schoolcraft Member Username: Schoolcraft Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2005 |
Not Isiah's fault. There is a code of ethics in the NBA(and it sure isnt from David Stern who never played the game) You dont run up the score.. its that simple. You dont diss another team on their home court. Unless your the Phoenix Suns and your up by 25 with three minutes to go...your not running up the score.. your just trying to stay in the game as they blow huge leads with their style of play.idiots. Gosh. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 4155 Registered: 11-2004 |
I'm never one to advocate running up the score. That's very very bush league, but to advocate physically beating on another player isn't exactly kosher either. If I were in Isiah's shoes, I would've taken the team darn near off the court and let them run it up. And then maybe berate the hell out of the other team at the press conference. Let the world know their opponents were cheap punks. Does anyone remember years ago when there was an opposing player on the verge of a triple triple or a double double and the then Detroit coach walked his team over to the bench so the guy could get his stat? It made that player look so weak and feeble. He was exposed for his cheap stunt. Isiah should've done the same here and exposed the Nuggets for their cheap antics. By retaliating, it got the Knicks in the same mud bath as the Nuggets. | ||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2006 |
You might recall when Isiah was not picked for the Olympic team in favor of John Stockton. A year later when the Pistons played the Jazz, Isiah embarrassed Stockton on the court scoring right at him for 40+. Next time they meet on the court Karl Malone ended Isiah's night with cheap shot to the head for a knock out blow. | ||
Schoolcraft Member Username: Schoolcraft Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2005 |
Point taken Smogboy..i still say its good to mix it up if you have to once in a while. No such thing as bad publicity as they say....meanwhile David Stern becomes new commish of NHL and no more hockey fights...oh yeah, that would fly. Susanarosa...calling Carmelo "a little bitch..." Thats funny whoever you are. My sides are killing me!!! Some of your best work by far cheers Oh, that little bitch could be in a Piston uniform couldnt he be.Damn...and milicic is posting some numbers in orlando. That bugs. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 994 Registered: 01-2004 |
That's alright, Pistons still kicked his ass a few weeks ago. | ||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 180 Registered: 08-2006 |
And yet, that was hardly the most physical foul you'll ever see. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 988 Registered: 03-2006 |
David Stern's protege is ruining the NHL instead | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 4156 Registered: 11-2004 |
I agree there have been MUCH harder physical fouls, but what ensued afterwards makes the biggest difference. To me, there are SO many different ways of retaliating... sometimes not all of them require brute force. I still like the idea of rolling up the tent and letting the other team look ridiculous if that's what they want to do. Going to the court of public opinion (especially in this day of ESPN) and garnering sympathy there is also another great way to respond to cheap stunts like what the Nuggets pulled. No one wants to be called nationally like that. There is no way the Nuggets can aptly respond to being called out like that; their actions would have already spoken for themselves. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4121 Registered: 10-2003 |
If you don't want the score run up on don't blow the league's highest pay-roll on a bunch of malcontented two-guards and swingmen. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11028 Registered: 10-2003 |
Am I the only one who longs for the days when brawls were simply part of the game? Where upon refs separated the players and they seldom even handed out technicals over such a spectacle. The NBA has turned into a sissy game where it caters to the scorers and penalizes physical/vocal players, in turn ruining the game. I guess it's been a long time coming, certain players have always got favoritism over the years. Now however, I feel the commissioner has tightened the reigns a bit too tightly. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 308 Registered: 10-2006 |
I'm with you SS. No one in the era of the bad boys would have even noticed a simple hard foul. Stern is turning the whole game into a sissy sport. (p.s. And now Allen Iverson just got traded to Denver. AI plus Carmelo Anthony on the same team... Ouch! The western conference is going to be brutal!) (Message edited by yvette248 on December 19, 2006) | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1642 Registered: 12-2003 |
Zeke has always been and always will be a shady character who for somereason gets a free pass here in Detroit. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 995 Registered: 01-2004 |
You just made me think of the game where Robert Parish DECKED Bill Laimbeer, and wasn't even hit with a tech. There's wasn't even a brawl, just a little pushing between the two teams for a few seconds ... the good ole days. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 4157 Registered: 11-2004 |
When you think about it, those "good ol' days" the players had a way to vent. It was almost a controlled release of aggression towards one another. I agree, nowadays this controlled violence is almost bottled up too tightly and occassionally bursts. Call me sneaky but I still like the ways of getting back at an opponent in so many other ways such as bitching at press conferences, pulling the team off the court or what about just filing the event away and getting them back at another time? Personally kicking the other team's butt at another time has always been a tonic for any humiliation suffered now. | ||
Schoolcraft Member Username: Schoolcraft Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks for the visual smogboy. Bird and laimbeer in full out brawl also., and Isiah clocked laimbeer..in practice which led to Laimbeer retiring...right? saying its getting too crazy as we are friends(he and Isiah)."Im retiring..gotmy ring(s)...etc" laimbeer took so much crap from other players..and the 84 Celtics Lakers Finals...every open layup you were mugged...i mean hammered...thiswas the series that led to the first "clamping down" by the NBA really on the hard fouls etc.All the punks are still on Indiana though.Agreed? | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1222 Registered: 11-2003 |
Isiah is a filthy, dirty person. Always has been. Always will be. Behind that beautiful smile and quiet voice is a real asshole. I have no doubt he had a big part in starting what went down at MSG. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11030 Registered: 10-2003 |
No, Isiah broke his hand during that incident. Bill Laimbeer did not retire at that time. He ended up retiring due to back problems, which if I recall, a decision was made by him shortly into a season, perhaps 16 games or so. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 993 Registered: 03-2006 |
Zeke was one of the nicest pro athletes I've ever met, and I met a lot of them, even Cocaine Wayne! | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 1985 Registered: 06-2004 |
Nothing better than seeing little Danny Ainge rolling on the ground with Tree Rollins. "Tree Bites Man" And Rudy T. Kermit Washington? Johnson and Zo (and Van Gundy)? Kent Benson - Kareem? Dr. J and Bird? X-man and Oakley? Camby popping his coach while going after Danny Ferry? NBA is littered with great fights. Nothing new here. Move along. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1972 Registered: 07-2004 |
The real old days Sport and most of you did not experience.To get an idea I suggest and recommend the book ..."The Punch"... by John Fenstein.It is the story of Kermit Washington and Rudy Tomjonavich and the incident when Washington punched Rudy T during a game. The aftermath of that incident and how differently both their lives evolved is the crux of the rest of the book. Also intertwined is the history of the NBA and what it was like back then in the 70's_ believe me the Laimbeer era was nothing like the NBA of the 70's. I would love to see a coach light a victory cigar as Red Auerbach did after very celtics win_ right there at the bench. I'm with Jelk regarding Isiah. His tactics worked exceedingly well as a player.He may be the most underrated player in the history of the NBA.Unfortunately it has not worked as a coach/GM. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11031 Registered: 10-2003 |
Let us not forget Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball for SNES! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B ill_Laimbeer%27s_Combat_Basket ball |
