  Tkangas_23 Member Username: Tkangas_23 Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2006 |
My car (as well as several others) got broken into last night on Woodward, right by the Majestic. I went to the central precinct a couple blocks north to file a report, only too find 7 or 8 cops sitting around eating pizza. While the lady officer was doing the paper work, she informed me this area in particular is a hot spot for car robberies. I asked her why they don't have anyone patrolling the area, and she said that it is pointless because whenever they do bust someone for breaking into cars, the court system lets them right back onto the streets. Whatever happened to crime prevention? I know that police forces in the city are spread thin, but how hard can it be to have someone patrolling a main street in the city, right next to the police station? | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2004 |
worthless......but typical of Detroit | ||
Cmubryan Member Username: Cmubryan Post Number: 331 Registered: 11-2003 |
That is absolutely ridiculous. Unit they stop promoting lazy habits things will not change. Then again the administrators of this city are a bunch of lazy useless POS. Sorry about my frustrations but I have seen nothing positive from DPD or the city workers I have dealt with lately. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 930 Registered: 02-2004 |
I know more people who have had cars stolen/broken into by the Majestic. This sucks on a number of levels, I hate the crime and I hate that a great place like that is hurt by the crime. Another hot place is by the newspapers. It's a constant battle to keep cars safe, and it's blocks from the casino, which always has cops around. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2006 |
I really feel for you. It is not a good feeling to have your car broken into. We have been led to believe that police departments are good at crime prevention. With a few localized exceptions I don't feel its true. Unfortunately it is up to us to prevent crime such as car alarms,steerling wheel locks etc. Its not a real comfort to us but the police seem to do better after the crime has been committed. | ||
Hagglerock Member Username: Hagglerock Post Number: 365 Registered: 03-2005 |
This is what every car should have. I hate crime just as much as anyone but when someone messes with another man's car it just gets under my skin. http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/afric a/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ Note this is from 1998, I wonder if it's still legal? | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 1010 Registered: 11-2003 |
My truck was broken into a few years back right in that same area on the corner lot near Union Street restaurant. @ windows broken and all my stuff gone. I went with my friend who was a Detroit cop with TSS and they could have cared less. I had to wait for the Sgt. to get done telling the other cops about the days soap opera. It was such a joke... I had to drive back to Ann Arbor missing 2 windows in November as I was attending EMU at the time. It took like 3 days for me to get a report number as well. That area sucks. | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 274 Registered: 02-2006 |
I know what you all feel. How could DPD be spread thin when they have over 4,000 cops, and half the city abandond. The DPD is a joke. They are lazy, ignorant, and careless. This thread needs to go to the F.B.I.313 | ||
Wilus1mj Member Username: Wilus1mj Post Number: 166 Registered: 05-2005 |
I agree...it's sad, but I don't leave anything visible in my car that's worth anything...especially cd's when I park Downtown. It's almost always worth 5 or 10 bucks to park in a lot by the Majestic, but that doesn't gurantee it won't get broken into. | ||
Stecks77 Member Username: Stecks77 Post Number: 230 Registered: 08-2006 |
I just had my window broken out by the Majestic a week ago! It happened during the Black Keys concert across the street near the intersection south of Union Street. It really pissed me off. Especially because instead of ignoring the homeless bum who asked us for change in exchange for watching our car we bought him pizza! We tried to treat him with a little dignity and give him something he probably actually needed instead of a beer. I have no idea whether he broke into my car but he was obviously somewhat crazy because while I was surveying the damage to my car after the show he was asking for more money! I just had my window broken and he's asking for change! Can you believe that? Anyway, he kept mumbling that his name was Reggie Malone. So if you see Reggie tell him to F-off for me. I didn't bother reporting the brake in. Nothing was stolen except for some change and a friends coat but it put me out $160 bucks. In light of the brake in I actually have to thank the DPD for preventing an incident that could have been much worse in the same spot across from the Majestic almost a year ago. I was walking back to my car a little further down the block from where I was recently parked, and a homeless guy was being really aggressive with me asking for money. All the other cars were gone and no one was around. Just as I almost reached my car and started considering to give him money before he starts to go off on me, an unmarked cop car pulls up and rolls down the window. They didn't even have to say anything to the guy. Once the bum saw the cops he turned around and started walking as fast as he could. Then the cops just pulled away. I'm sure the local beat cops know some of the these guys pretty well. Anyway, sorry to hear about your brake in. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4133 Registered: 10-2003 |
Personally I blame the victims because you should have purchased steel window covers to protect your vehicles when you aren't watching them. This is the same as the person whose bike was stolen from their open garage. Detroit's underclass is raging (as well as rising) and if you allow them easy access to your stuff they will take it. Well within their rights, as far as I am concerned, after 400 years of slavery, rape, and repression (and all the rest) it’s about time everyone got theirs. Nothing wrong with working the system. And it happens in Chicago too but you don't hear people complaining about that. This is Detroit. We're gritty. You have to keep it real. Or people will take your stuff. I'm kidding of course but I wanted to get that all out before the Ostrich Gang showed up to tell you why it's your fault. There is no excuse for any of this (the crime, the DPD's response, etc) and it's embarrassing. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1226 Registered: 12-2005 |
Steel window covers would be a pretty cool mod. Where could one get a set of those? | ||
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto Post Number: 420 Registered: 07-2004 |
The police should be out there. Thats as bad as what happened to my cousin who lives in Philly. She phoned the police because kids where throwing rocks into peoples windows on her street, and the police station is like a 2min walk from her house. The police would not show up. She had to phone back and tell them that if a police officer was not on her street in two min, she would shove the kid down the sewer. Then all of a sudden the police showed up to stop the kids  | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 819 Registered: 06-2006 |
In response to Jelk's post, Batmobile-like shields might just do the trick, too! | ||
Sticks Member Username: Sticks Post Number: 163 Registered: 08-2005 |
Weird because I've sat at that bar there before and have seen 4 patrol cars roll past within the time it takes to make a pizza. I mean, there's a precinct about what, 5 blocks north? And if you decide to go there again, park in the hospital parking garage off John R. Sure it costs $3 and adds a block or two to the walk but it might be a bit safer. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2006 |
I remember some years back, around 1980-81, there was this Wayne State student that was robbed and killed on Brush St. or John R (I am not sure which one), down between Warren and Mack. The robber took the guys wallet and went to his apartment that was across the side street from the 13th Precinct. He went into the guys apartment and killed the guys wife....leaving a 9 month old baby alone. They caught the guy later. But, come on. Right across the street? They were probably eating pizza again as well. Ribalda | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2022 Registered: 10-2004 |
"They were probably eating pizza again as well." Maybe we could rig up a Breathylizer to detect oregano or Dunkin' Donuts on the cops. | ||
Tkangas_23 Member Username: Tkangas_23 Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2006 |
Thanks to everyone for the sympathy. Sadly, the vicious cycle of crime driving people out of Detroit, further reducing money spent in the city, as well as discouraging people from moving there, continues...As DPD enjoys their pizza pie | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7682 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hey, they put up a good mile chase tonight, don't diss them too badly. They're doing the best job they can. | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1446 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ribalda, I remember that case. If I'm not mistaken It was the basement apartment in the building on Hancock that is next door to the sandwich shop.I am pretty sure they killed the baby too. There was particular coverage because the young father was the son of a Hollywood producer. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 34 Registered: 12-2006 |
Leoqueen- I don't recall the baby being murdered. Maybe it is that I just don't want to remember that. I thought that it was a second floor apartment. Can you remember which Hollywood producer it was? I can't remember. All in all, though, it was really horrible....and right across the street from the 13th Pct. Ribalda | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2006 |
Livernoisyard- Lay off the pot. Ribalda | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2006 |
I'm a lucky one. I was young (as one can tell by the post) and must have felt that I had pretty immortal. I had just graduated from Wayne and had a season tix to the Wings (I was a big hockey fan then) and walked about 4 or 5 blocks from the Olympia along Grand River. I stupidly parked one block off of Grand River for a Saturday afternoon game. Got held up at knife point. Luckily all I lost was my watch (a college graduation present from my then deceased mother) and some money - didn't have much to carry. Thank God I didn't lose my life that day. The amazing thing is that I wasn't emotional scarred. When I come to town for an event at Ford Field or Comerica I try to be careful when leaving after dark. And I do park in attended lots. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 454 Registered: 01-2006 |
Stecks, the "homeless bum" didn't want pizza unless it came WITH alcohol. Being treated with dignity meant nothing to him unless it came WITH alcohol. Watching your car? No chance; did you actually believe that? The only way he would have watched your car is if you told him that, if your car was still there, untouched, when you returned, you would give him a fistful of cash. It makes a lot more sense to just pay to park in a more secure place. And stop trying to Make Nice with the vagrants. Even if you give them something, the moment you walk away, they no longer give a fuck about you. Don't act like a customer. It's not a transaction. They want something from you. You get nothing. He's not likely to be a decent guy who's just had some bad luck; more likely, he's a fuckin' parasite who is out there because he's a good-for-nothing low-life who can't make it in the real world because doing so requires more than hustles, shit-talking, sob stories, and the intimidation of strangers who have a compulsion to Look For The Good In People. Sorry about the Tough Love, but I have lived in Detroit for a long time, and I have spent plenty of time in the downtown area. I used to have a rosier viewpoint, but The Truth stripped it away. | ||
Iddude313 Member Username: Iddude313 Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2005 |
Maybe the crime area will move north to the new central district headquarters @ Grand/Woodward. Then we can rest easy. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1754 Registered: 06-2004 |
Getting back to the original thread discussion... In the Christmas spirit, some of you people are nuts. This is one of the most embarrassing threads I've ever seen. Qualification: Just so we're clear, I'm not suggesting the Detroit force is squeaky clean. And sorry about the car. Seriously. That sucks. But... I'm on a local community radio patrol in my area of town, and the head of our community patrol lives two doors down from me. This does not make me an expert, but I know a little of what's going on. You think they have so many cops to spare, right? Do you know what's really going on since re-organization? At night, our district has so many calls that they can't respond to anything that isn't a violent crime. And even with that limitation, they are having difficulties with response time. They simply don't have the manpower. And this is true. All that beside the danger of just being a Detroit cop. So maybe we can just stop referring to all of them collectively as lazy-asses and making snap judgements in our ignorance. That would be a start, at least.
Yes. This is bad. Cops are forbidden to have lunch, of course. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1983 Registered: 07-2004 |
Lyn, good for you(honestly) for your work..........beyond that it might be wise for you to be tacit........i.e. quiet.There is little more distasteful in fact downright obscene than the approach you are taking against these victims of crime..........and it certainly does not encourage anyone to want to move to Detroit. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 2880 Registered: 10-2003 |
some thoughts: The DPD should get to eat pizza once in a while. However, the priority for them right now seems to be REVENUE GENERATION. The "reorganization" seems to have resulted in a police force further isolated from the people that they are supposed to protect and serve. In the 1983 case, they killed the baby too. The perps were eventually caught years later...by the DPD. Do not give money to the vagrants EVER, they are not watching out for you, they are trying to extort money for drugs/booze from you. For me, being a Detroit resident and occasional customer of the Majestic/Cpop/UnionSt. means never having a radio or anything valuable in my vehicle. Happy Holidays! | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 456 Registered: 01-2006 |
I agree with Barnesfoto about the vagrants... I hope nobody thinks that I hate the vagrants, because I don't. I'm just encouraging folks to be realistic about them. They are not all outright criminals, certainly, but the crooks and the panhandlers have (at least) one thing in common: You, as an honest, hard-working, tax-paying member of the community, are a resource which they wish to exploit. We can opine all day & night about the DPD, but the use of good sense, when one is out and about in our town, would prevent many distasteful outcomes. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2024 Registered: 10-2004 |
The few times I took the Greyhound were always plagued with a horde of beggars blocking the door. One time while inside, some panhandler must have been sizing me up when he started over to engage in some BS chatter. Before he could open his mouth, I asked him for a quarter, and I was left unbothered the rest of my wait. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on December 25, 2006) | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1228 Registered: 12-2005 |
Llyn said: "I'm on a local community radio patrol in my area of town, ..." How does that work? Maybe others would like to join/start such a group. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 459 Registered: 01-2006 |
I echo Jimaz' interest in Llyn's work. Please, Llyn, elucidate. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 47 Registered: 05-2006 |
just remember that many of the vagrants out there have some form of mental illness. Whats seems reasonable to you or I, just doesn't register with them. Its best just not to put yourself in a position where they can use you. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 460 Registered: 01-2006 |
Oh yeah, certainly true, Firstandten. I wasn't referring to them. The mentally ill street people don't come charging up to folks with the same old bull**** one gets from the bums. The one group, I detest; the other group, hurled to the pavement by John Engler, I feel very sorry for. | ||
Stecks77 Member Username: Stecks77 Post Number: 231 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ravine, Shut the f-up and get off your high horse. Thanks for the tough talk. Do you feel better about yourself acting like you've got more street smarts than anyone else in this town because you "live" in Detroit. Give me a break. I live in Detroit to (oooh...) and I'm not as naive as your attempting to make me appear. Unlike yourself I don't judge every book by its cover and treat everyone like a cold hearted asshole. Next time will I try to park in a secured lot? Of course, but I refuse to treat the homeless like criminals and trash like you. I've certainly lost a little faith in people but I refuse to become a hardened SOB like you. Merry Christmas! | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 5512 Registered: 09-2005 |
I was waiting for some leftist loon to blame Engler - or any other "R" - now my day is complete. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 462 Registered: 01-2006 |
O.K., I'm shutting the f-up, now. Live and learn at your own pace. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 517 Registered: 08-2006 |
Sorry about your car, but the person you should be angry at is the asshole who broke into it. The police might not have done anything for you, but they do go out and do the shit work everyday. They tame the thugs on the streets as best they can. Just too bad, they didn't get your guy. I would guess they have a trioge list, crimes they have to solve first. They were being truthfull in telling you they couldn't do anything because by the time they got to your case it would have been a few months old. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 463 Registered: 01-2006 |
Oh, and hello, Karl. Season's Greetin's to you, ya big galoot, ya!! | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 5513 Registered: 09-2005 |
Sorry, it's not "Season's" but Christmas today, a legal federal holiday authorized by Congress many years ago. A very Merry Christmas to everyone on the forum! | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 465 Registered: 01-2006 |
Oy vey... | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1229 Registered: 12-2005 |
I applied for a mobile police radio permit (COM-022 - Application for Short Wave Permit in a Vehicle to Monitor Police Frequencies) from the Michigan State Police quite a few months ago. I never heard back from them. Are these radios used by local community radio patrols? Any tips on how to get a permit? | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 987 Registered: 01-2005 |
Those horrible crimes on the WSU campus happened in December of 82. It was the wife who was the daughter of Norman Felton. And yes...the infant was stabbed to death. Below is a photo of the scum responsible for that. http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/as p/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber= 163022 | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2026 Registered: 10-2004 |
What is considered "Short Wave?" Traditionally, short wave is considered the HF frequencies from 3 to 30 MHz. I doubt if any police anywhere use those frequencies. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1232 Registered: 12-2005 |
Yeah, that raised my eyebrow too. I assume whoever wrote the law didn't understand the conventional technical nomenclature. [shrug] I just want to operate a radio legally. I hear they're relaxing the Morse code requirement for HAM licenses. Maybe that will help. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 518 Registered: 08-2006 |
what is this 1982 murder at WSU? I understand 3 people were killed, but whats the whole story? Who did the guy kill and why? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2027 Registered: 10-2004 |
I was a ham in the eighth grade and got the FCC 1st Class license while in high school. The code requirement is now history. Personally, I did most of my ham operation using CW (international Morse) and contacted hundreds of counties as a kid. My home had a three-element 10/15/20 meter tribander beam antenna on a fifty-foot insulated tower that also served as a vertical for 40, 80, and 160 meters. One of the commercial AM stations where I was its chief engineer at age 22 or 23 was a 10KW daytimer in Waukesha, WI--now a Clear Channel sports (ESPN?) station. When it went silent at night (WLAC in Nashville was the protected dominant station on 1510), I would connect the homebrew 4CX1000A (approximately 4KW, with 4000 volts plate voltage) ham rig to the two-tower phased array in a peat bog next to the Nike site and contact lots of good DX from South America and other places on 75 meter SSB. Also worked on 160 meters. That was back during the 1960s. That station had me fill in as a DJ whenever somebody from the regular staff wanted off. That was well and good because they paid me extra on top of my salary and I would take off some time and have one of my assistants step in for me. Got a few hundred hours on the air annually doing that. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on December 25, 2006) | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1234 Registered: 12-2005 |
Yikes! Ma gavte la nata. How does one acquire a permit to legally intercept police comms in Michigan to participate in a local community radio patrol to help deter crimes like the one mentioned in the first message of this thread? | ||
Spongebob Member Username: Spongebob Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2006 |
Livernois Yard : Many times I have done what you did. As the bum is approaching, I strike first and ask him for some change. Most times I am left alone. The worst thing that has ever happened, is that I got cursed out a few times. | ||
Kathinozarks Member Username: Kathinozarks Post Number: 97 Registered: 11-2006 |
Well, that anyone should still live in a city with such crime is beyond me. Why should law abiding citizens have to cover themselves with such armour???? When are you going to take the city back from the vagrants and thieves that consume your lives? DetroitYes is full of people making excuses for the demise of a beautiful city. Do not make excuses for and pity those who will steal and kill for their own earthly gain. Feel entitled to a good life within your city. Stop making excuses for evil. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 526 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thank you for saying the truth. If any Detroit politician had any balls, they would seriously contemplate solutions to a crime problem that is killing your city. Its time for people to stop dilly dallying and fix this serious problem. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 49 Registered: 05-2006 |
Kathinozarks,Milwaukee- I don't think the DetroitYes folks are making excuses. I think they are expressing a reality that the government, court system, police etc can't really protect us. For example the police can arrest vagrants until times get better and the court system would let them out. Theres no room to keep them no way to treat them etc. Unfortunely larcency from a auto is a minor crime in the grand scheme of things. Jail space is finite so who do we save that space for. Detroit barely has the budget to provide basic services much less what would be needed to provide the presence needed to prevent crime. Detroit and other big cities have been dealing with these things for decades. The only way it seems to work is that the city takes its manpower and put it in high profile areas such as CBD, Greektown etc. to keep people coming into the city. That is a very flawed model but the other solutions I heard assumes we have monopoly money to work with. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 5514 Registered: 09-2005 |
There is a blatant disregard for human life that is rather overwhelming in Detroit, and it is reflected on these threads. It starts in the womb, folks. If you don't have any regard for that life (and few here do) then that attitude carries on thru lifestyles. As I've stated before, the African American womb is the most dangerous place to reside in the USA - 58% die during that 9-month period. Detroit is 85% African American. 80% of survivors are born out of wedlock. Is it any surprise with these stats that Detroit is crime-ridden? From the beginning of life, there is a "who cares" attitude. Continue on and search these threads for discussions on Terry Shiavo - most folks said "whack her". Now, Milwaukee (of all people) says: "If any Detroit politician had any balls, they would seriously contemplate solutions to a crime problem that is killing your city." Really? Ask Milwaukee his solutions to the 3 essential problems that I addressed above - if I'm not mistaken, when it comes to solving those problems, especially via politics (when politics accelerated the problem in the first place) Milwaukee is against such solutions. But such problems create others, and Detroit is a "fine" example of those evolving problems. Back to the problem at hand: When attitudes toward life, family and the disabled are such in Detroit and on these threads, don't expect anyone to get excited about the broken window on and the stolen items from your car - especially the police. They have far greater problems to deal with. Meanwhile, the folks (as reflected on these threads) fight to keep the status quo. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 7271 Registered: 10-2003 |
Of course! I don't know how I missed this before. The solution to Detroit's crime problem is to discourage abortion. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 5515 Registered: 09-2005 |
Not quite, clueless Itsjeff - the solution is to value life itself - starting with 2-parent families and safe wombs. Respect and value for property will follow. When a kid grows up with abortion all around, and papa is a rolling stone, why should he feel wanted? So he treats others, and non-living things (like cars) the same way. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 7272 Registered: 10-2003 |
I agree with the value of two-parent families. I'll go out on a limb and predict that it's possible to be both a responsible, law-abiding citizen AND pro-choice at the same time. | ||
Jacaden Member Username: Jacaden Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2003 |
Who YOU gonna blame (for all the heinous crimes that are committed, as well as, the "criminality/laziness/incompet ence" of those hired to protect and serve "the innocent?" THE GENES (they are all just BORN that way... even when they come out of a "safe womb".. they are damned from the start... hard-wired) THE CULTURE (they were raised in an environment where they were not valued, they were not given (Christian) morals, they had parents who were "criminal/lazy/incompetent", we ALL have free will so they could "just" change their ways and the system would reward them) THE SYSTEM (intricately and oftentimes illogically functioning to keep loads of people poor, near poor, hopelessly "middle-class" and strung out on a variety of "pain deadeners" and, most importantly, to keep everybody besides the very very wealthy blaming the genes or the environment and fighting/resenting/hating/kill in/ robbing each other blind... as the inequities inherent and necessary for the system to keep the very very very wealthy continue to grow) Who or what to blame for what we see, what we experience, what we imagine as THE solution has a great deal to do with how we "live" in Detroit (either in reality or from some outside vantage point). I unfortunately am one of the few in this country that tends to root my blame in "The System" --and my hopes for change rooted in its demise. | ||
Amy_p Member Username: Amy_p Post Number: 739 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ozarks Kath said: But you have excuses for those who will kill for their own other-worldly gain? The earthly gain of others? | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 460 Registered: 12-2003 |
did someone say Tangent? where did the police discussion go? | ||
Jimg Member Username: Jimg Post Number: 755 Registered: 10-2003 |
Karl saw an opening...looked like a Vagina to him...so he shot...AND SCORED!!!! | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7689 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jacoden, I started typing this in anger...until I re-read your post. Twice. You sound anarchic with your conclusion, and that is curiously dangerous given the amount of firepower the current government holds...including those new Air Force EM beam crowd control weapons they are eager to try out on unsuspecting civilians. IF we could propose a solution, then I am all for your analysis. Well stated. If Karl scored in something that resembled a vagina, should we be expecting products of conception in nine months?! | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 820 Registered: 06-2006 |
Karl: You're saying, in essence, that single parents produce criminals? I'll get a bit personal here (forgive me). I am a single parent of a 20 year old male. I have been single ALL of his life (but was married before I got pregnant). He never knew his father because his father left state to avoid child support (and it wasn't much, believe me). My son turned out to be a good kid who works hard, he's pleasant, law abiding, and all that you say kids of single parents aren't. I worked 2 and sometimes 3 jobs just to stay afloat. I also teach many kids who are products of single parent homes. They, too, are good kids (although some are not). I've also seen kids from 2 parents families who are out of control and messed up, in prison or are heading there. Yes, 2 parent families is ideal but when that doesn't happen in the grand scheme of things, don't blame the parents, blame the person who commits the crime. Criminals come from the best of families, too...not just the poor. Cops can only do so much and can't be everywhere every minute, so don't blame them. Don't blame the car owner, they have a right to attend an event anywhere they please and to park their car. Again, blame the criminal and no one else. | ||
Treelock Member Username: Treelock Post Number: 178 Registered: 03-2005 |
I was gonna share my own tale of having my car stolen in that neighborhood until Karl hijacked this thread. Then I realized I, like most posters on this forum, don't have any regard for life. And I thought oh, the futility of it all. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 885 Registered: 11-2003 |
I usually park in the bank parking lot across Woodward from the Majestic. No problems. Guard on duty. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 530 Registered: 08-2006 |
"Ask Milwaukee his solutions to the 3 essential problems that I addressed above - if I'm not mistaken, when it comes to solving those problems, especially via politics (when politics accelerated the problem in the first place) Milwaukee is against such solutions." 1. I'm against abortion and I only think it should be used in cases where a woman is dying or if the woman has been raped and she wants one. Karl, if you're so pro life then are you against the death penalty? Are you against war and violence? Abortion has nothing to do with the crime problem in Detroit! The problem is poverty and no education. Now part of this is society's fault, but most of it is just a lack of responsibility. The problems of the inner city would be far less severe if families acted as families. The biggest part in public schools failing is that the parents of a lot of these kids just don't give a shit. They're lazy irresponsible people who were raised by crap parents, grew up in poverty and never had any thought of changing. The parents lack of responsibility is the major problem, not lack of money for schools. The parents and the kids have the wrong idea, they spend 200 to 500 dollars on some stupid basketball shoes rather than on books to read or God forbid for the parents to read to their children. Some parents are too busy sucking what little money they have up their nose than to pay attention to the problems their children have. Until you break the cycle of irresponsibility then you will never break the cycle of poverty. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1982 Registered: 07-2004 |
I know that getting your car broken into or stolen can be very upsetting. Tkangas, I know you wrote your post because you were upset That's understandable. However, blaming the pizza-eating police isn't where you should direct your anger. All that they can do after the fact of the crime is to fill out the report and investigate. Now, the only way they will catch the guy/gal who broke into your car is if a patrol happens to catch him/her breaking into another car or caught with your stolen items. If Detroit had all the police it needed, there would be no guarantee that your car would not have been broken into. I don't know how often cops patrol that area, but one suggestion would be to have private patrols, paid by local merchants in the area. A second suggestion is to spend the extra bucks to park in a secure lot. A final suggestion to anyone parking on the street, and this was mentioned earlier, is keep valuables out of sight. A coat or CDs in clear sight are an open invitation to a thief. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 36 Registered: 12-2006 |
Instead of trying to avoid the panhandlers who are mentally ill, why don't you just reach into your pocket and give them some money. Do you suppose that in the shape that they are in that they could hold, let alone get, a job? I bought this homeless woman a new jacket and gave her $20.00 for Christmas. You know, I hate to blow my own horn, but it seems fitting to say this now. She lives in a shed somewhere in Pontiac, and babbles some craziness about when the time is blue or something. Poor thing. Imagine if it were you out there? "There but for the grace of God....". You all are just being cold and selfish. She's a yellow-brown color so you know that she has some form of hepatitis. And, she must have lice. She goes to the 7-11 every morning and the owner pays her for cleaning the parking lot. Come on, once a week reach in your pocket and give some money to somebody homeless. And after that, thank God that it is not you. Ribalda (Message edited by Ribalda on December 26, 2006) | ||
Cmubryan Member Username: Cmubryan Post Number: 333 Registered: 11-2003 |
I'm sorry but I don't think I will ever feel right giving my money directly to a homeless person. I despise it when people just open their car window to give money to people standing on the corner. These homeless people must be raking in the cash and it all goes to the wrong things! People who give their money like that are promoting begging which detract so much from this city. Instead of giving your money to that person, take what you would have given them and donate it to the salvation army! | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7694 Registered: 12-2003 |
Unless you are there when they spend their money, you have absolutely NO confirmation that it goes to 'the wrong things'. That is just assumption and bias...although largely true, it is NOT completely so. Even IF some went to drugs or alcohol, that is at minimum some relief from their daily grind. Not much different than many of us, I'd say, from those I see drinking at a few of the establishments I frequent. I agree that the money is better spent getting shelter and food directly to them through a governmental agency (I don't think this should be the domain of a religious organization, no matter what their charter the taint of religiosity seems to seep through)...and I've bought more than a few meals for people when they ask, sitting WITH them sharing time while making sure the money didn't get spent incorrectly. Other than that...I've gotten to know a few of the homeless down here, and many...if not most of those I talk with are just doing their damnedest to make it through another day. Just like the rest of us... | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4389 Registered: 10-2003 |
Since this thread has gone off the track it started from, I have a question. Where was the pizza from? Was it delivery or pick-up? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5331 Registered: 02-2004 |
Receivership, here we come. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11046 Registered: 10-2003 |
Perhaps it was Digiorno's? | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2006 |
Cmubryan- How do you know what THESE people do with the money? Are you some kind of SEER? You just think that you know what they are doing with it. How many homeless people do you know personally? You are just blowing words out of your a__, and being uncaring and cold. Ribalda | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 531 Registered: 08-2006 |
"Instead of trying to avoid the panhandlers who are mentally ill, why don't you just reach into your pocket and give them some money." Its better to give to charity, a panhandler has no responsibility to you and can do whatever with the money. You're hurting an irresponsible person by giving them money to hurt themselves. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3453 Registered: 10-2003 |
Once again Milwaukee assuming that every homeless person you see is indeed irresponsible... | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 532 Registered: 08-2006 |
Not all are irresponsible, but when I meet some panhandler on the street I don't know anything about them. I think one of two things A. They're mentally ill, giving them money will only make them a target for thugs B. They're not mentally ill but not responsible enough to get a job and collect or save money That sounds bad but why not just give money to charity. With charity you at least know where the money is going. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2006 |
Gannon- You are being biased as well by calling it "largely true". Just give them the money and FORGET IT. It's none of your business what they do with the money. You don't know if they are getting the money FOR SURE if you give it to a government agency. Besides, they need it NOW. Not in six months when they MAY or MAY NOT get it from said government agency. If you give it to them directly then you will know that they are getting it for sure. And don't wait for them to ask. It is embarrassing enough when they have to ask....especially when some peoples' reactions can be so negative. How would you think that this would feel if you had to ask for something from a complete stranger and they answer you with such hate and distain? If you see somebody that looks like they are f_____-up, just GIVE THEM SOME MONEY!!! Put yourself in their place....if you can see it. Ribalda (Message edited by Ribalda on December 26, 2006) | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 533 Registered: 08-2006 |
"Just give them the money and FORGET IT. It's none of your business what they do with the money." Correction, YOUR money. "How would you think that this would feel if you had to ask for something from a complete stranger and they answer you with such hate and distain" Again, if they don't have some kind of a disorder then why are they homeless, why are they with out work? | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 39 Registered: 12-2006 |
"They are mentally ill and giving them money will only make them a target for thugs" That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. How are said thugs going to know that they have money if it is in their pocket or they don't tell anyone? They have to have some faculties in order to live in the street. Otherwise they would be dead. "They are not mentally ill but not responsible enough to get a job and collect or save money". This doesn't make much sense to me. Man, you have to be mentally ill to give up all hope and live in the street. I'm sorry, man. They're all "mentally ill". Ribalda | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2006 |
Milwaukee- "THE" money. Once you give it it is not yours anymore. The key word is "GIVE". Ribalda | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4391 Registered: 10-2003 |
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/89674.html?1167162682 | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 535 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ribalda, I have compassion for the homeless but I feel that it is better to give it to charities or local organizations. Its better to serve at a soup kitchen than to just give them a dollar or two. I was raised with the idea that giving people on the street is a bad idea. I do serve at St. Ben's meal program twice a month serving Milwaukee's homeless. I think were just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7703 Registered: 12-2003 |
Not unlike the circular logic that since one must be insane to want to be outside the system then any and all who find themselves outside of it must certainly all be insane. I return to that mini-van Chip and I saw parked on Belle Isle nearly every morning during my year-plus stint at the Beaubien Street Saloon...I saw on national TV a few months later that it contained a mother and her two children who were homeless and living out of the van until their luck turned. Please guard your hearts against hardness and unforgiveness...nobody wins when we judge on appearance. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 41 Registered: 12-2006 |
This is a bad time of year for work. It picks up again in April. It has always been this way. But, this doesn't mean that some poor , homeless person is going to get a job in April Will they fit in....do they have the wardrobe....do they have the education....do they have an address and a phone number? How are they going to make it until April? Come on. This is getting ludicrous. There's a million excuses for not giving to the poor. Ribalda (Message edited by Ribalda on December 26, 2006) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7704 Registered: 12-2003 |
Milwaukee, I understand your point, and your path might be the best overall...as long as these are not just band-aids to temporarily serve those who are daring enough to admit they need help. It is a great struggle for any homeless to merely face up to someone who seems to have it together...that is something every soup kitchen and religious outreach really needs to remember. When I was down at the Church in the City during the late-80s/early-90s; I spent a great deal of time with the indigent population...curious beyond measure how they got where they were, what they were doing to change their situation...and if not, why?! Between that and the time at ol' Mother Rayford's soup kitchen in the old Seville Motel Apartment, it was very enlightening. When the Church in the City started acting like a church...when I got scolded for running around without my shoes on...and the ushers were bought 'proper suits'...then I had nearly NO responses to those objections to my continual welcome to at least the fantastic Sunday services we had...let alone the Tuesday and Wednesday prayer services. Within a few years of that decision to be like other churches instead of the inner-city outreach that it was...they were out-of-business. Our old pastor runs one of the bicycle taxi services...can't wait to run into him or his son...they were really good people. I'd say, M, that since you do at least talk with some homeless outside of these chance street encounters, you are more qualified to speak than those without that experience. Cheers! | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2006 |
Sirach 22:12-15 "Speak but seldom with the stupid man, be not the companion of a brute; beware of him lest you have trouble and be spattered when he shakes himself; turn away from him and you will find rest and not be wearied by his lack of sense. What is heavier than lead, and what is its name but "Fool"? Sand and salt and an iron mass are easier to bear than a stupid man." (Message edited by Ribalda on December 26, 2006) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7706 Registered: 12-2003 |
Burma Shave? | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7707 Registered: 12-2003 |
Exactly what are you saying, Ribalda. Don't hide behind other's words. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2006 |
OK. You don't have any clue as to the soul of the homeless. Your adherence to Milwaukee was not based on fact but arrogance. And, I was not hiding behind anything. I was agreeing with it. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ribalda | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 536 Registered: 08-2006 |
"I understand your point, and your path might be the best overall...as long as these are not just band-aids to temporarily serve those who are daring enough to admit they need help." I think a soup kitchen or a shelter really is just a band aid. I don't know about Detroit, but in Milwaukee there are at least a few organizations that take in the homeless and teach them job skills. Thats a private organization and only handles a couple people at a time. I think that provides a better solution to the problem of homelessness. All I have to say is God bless Ronald Reagan for kicking tens of thousands of mentally ill people out of government hospitals and throwing them onto our streets. That move by created thousands of new homeless people as I understand it. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1755 Registered: 06-2004 |
FOR THOSE WHO ASKED ABOUT COMMUNITY RADIO PATROLS: First, there are a number of these in the city. I think around 30 or 35, but don't quote me on that. The best place to get info about starting a partol would probably be the city. If anyone prefers, and is serious about this, email me and I can put you in touch with our patrol president. I'm sure he'd be happy to provide additional information. I'll give you an idea of how we work it, though. I'm on the Woodward-Green Acres Radio Patrol, which is sort of an adjunct to the W-GA Community Association. We typically have someone on patrol every night of the week. People usually volunteer for once a month for a three hour patrol. We send them out in pairs with a third person acting as the base. We have signs, radios, reports, photo ID's, etc. As I understand it, the city actually pays radio patrols, but our neighborhood is one of only two radio patrols in the city that don't accept the payment. However, we do receive assistance from the city in other ways, including things like ID's, and funds for radios, magnetic door signs, flashlights, jackets with identificationn (hey, it's important that when you stop to talk to someone that you can be identified), etc. We absolutely do not interfere if a crime is taking place. Patrollers call base, base calls district. When the radio patrol calls we get a certain amount of priority when it comes to response time since we are verifiable and responsible. Besdies, we have a good relationship with the commanders, and they already have their hands full elsewhere. They definitely do not want to see crime escalate in our community and other more stable nearby neighborhoods, or for the community to start to deteriorate. When the patrol was instituted in the 70's, crime dropped dramatically. We have crime, but we've also had a surpising number of success stories just in the time I've been a member now (a couple years). One of the effects of all of this, by the way, is that when people are not patrolling but just driving through the neighborhood, they are conscious of the need to watch the neighborhood and look out for each other. Moreso than otherwise, at least. And they have a better idea of what to look for... We have a monthy membership meeting at the district, and one of the commanders usually addresses us at some point. They discuss crime reports in our neighborhood, trends to look out for, how district manpower is being allocated, response time, and all kinds of other details. We have our own review, and occasionally guest speakers (for example, the Wayne County Prosecutor early this year). Our friends to the south in Sherwood Forest purchase private security, and it appears that we have less crime than they do, although whether it's due exclusively to the difference in patrol methods is, of course, questionable. Nevertheless, I've been told that they recently approached us to inquire about the logistics of starting their own patrol. So that's a broad overview. A nice by product is that I know people all over our neighborhood (we have about 1,000 households), and have built good friendships with people blocks away from me. It really helps draw a community together. Although this has been a little off topic, if there's any further questions that anyone wants to post to the thread I will try to answer them. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7710 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ribalda, You continue to speak in riddles. NOBODY knows the soul of anyone else, except the Maker. I agreed with Milwaukee based upon arrogance?! Please detail my arrogance. Clearly and succinctly, because I don't understand how you got to that. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1988 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ribalda hates to blow his own horn and then......blows his own horn.A masochist of sorts I suppose. I don't know if Ravine lives in Detroit but he/she has certainly got it right bout panhandlers_ and you don't have to live in Detroit to get that right. So many of you are just plain naive about things.Who should we blame for crime? How about the motherfucker commiting the crime that seems logical.Do they know right from wrong? If so then they know what they are doing is wrong.Povery causes crime? My ass it does.Any in depth demographic of criminals will show there is no demographic they are rich, poor, middle class the whole dame gamut.They want what they want and they don't want tot work for it. They are manipulative and while feigning some sob story are just angling for the next bottle of alcohol or blunt or hit of crack. Who knows what the solution is.I personally believe that the 1st thing that has to happen is a cessation of the behavior_ panhandling, crime, drinking, drugs has to stop before the person doing it might understand how in fact damaging it is to them.And also drug/alcohol use play such a huge role that until those things are stopped categorically; there is little to no hope_ and that is a tall order. As for me I don't give my money because it is my money.I work for it and charity starts at home. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7711 Registered: 12-2003 |
Llyn, I will check with the folks I know in Corktown, but I'm certain that they are starting something like what you describe. This is the future of Detroit neighborhoods...islands of self-patrol filtering the input to the police...communal unity, or community in shorthand, drawing everyone together for the better of the whole. Love it. This will make Detroit stronger and better overall...and will polarize those who deem the police enemies and force them to parlay their efforts outside these neighborhoods. In unity there is strength, we do not have to bow to the evildoers...we just have to take the upper hand and beat them at their own game. The feedback loop of policing obviously lags behind the problem, only this sort of active forward motion has a chance of keeping up with the problem. Over time, I can see the police even getting better job attitudes...as long as we can finally get those minor drug offenders out of jail to make room for these real perps. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 998 Registered: 03-2006 |
my window got smashed out on fort and beaubien x-mas eve, after i read this thread | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1238 Registered: 12-2005 |
Llyn, thanks for that overview of your community radio patrol. It sounds like a very constructive, proactive approach. Is there a firearms policy? What frequencies do you use? Is there a website? I found only a little info here: Neighborhood Toolbox. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 48 Registered: 12-2006 |
Citylover- You're deep. Personally, I don't think you know the meaning of the word, "masochist"....especially when pertaining to me. Ribalda (Message edited by Ribalda on December 26, 2006) | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 49 Registered: 12-2006 |
Gannon- You chose sides based on your own lack of charity. You have NO compassion for the downtrodden. This is arrogance and your basic self-centeredness.You may be called short-sighted by some. But by me, COMMON. You have no intellect and no soul....but, wait, you do have soul....ass-soul. Ribalda. P.S.....and, just because you are short-sighted does not mean that everyone is. (Message edited by Ribalda on December 26, 2006) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7713 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ribalda, You need a psychiatrist and a proctologist, STAT! They'll be peeking in the same general area...you'd better be flexible. What in the heck are you talking about, man?! Where is this disconnect in communication?! Still puzzled...anyone care to help either of us out here? Seems we need a translator. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2006 |
It's YOU that doesn't understand. I have no problem. If you'll notice when one can no longer think, they insult. How else can you insult me? Ribalda | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7714 Registered: 12-2003 |
OK, in re-reading this thread, because I'm terrified that this Ribalda has such an opposite view of me from reality...I actually called Jams on this a moment ago in bewilderment...right when this last (edited) slam was posted. Dude, just because I don't go handing out cash to people who DON'T ASK FOR IT FIRST, doesn't mean I'm incompassionate to people! Do you REALLY just go around doling out money to anyone who LOOKS homeless?! Good Lord, if ANYTHING, that is a bias...exactly what I warned against a moment earlier in this thread...
...in the interest of solving this riddle of INcommunication, what exactly does that statement say to you? You really are a piece of work, equating me with Milwaukee just because I gently agreed with him, provided the services were not just temporary bandaids...that actually do more for the giver's conscience than for the one's who need help. Your solution is absolutely hilarious, if taken at face value...here, take this cash...you look like you need it more than me. Amazing. I guess you HAVE to be flexible to have your head up your colon so deep. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7715 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ribalda, You have a problem right now...with me. You misinterpreted my remarks and called ME out on a variety of untruths. For that I will not stand mute...if you took my observations as insult, so be it. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7716 Registered: 12-2003 |
I needed to repost this, because you are so quick with the edit feature. Apparently the insults started with you, my dear friend. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1989 Registered: 07-2004 |
I could care less about what I don't know about you Ribalda.I know that you are pompous and arrogant and self congratulating not exactly virtues. As for me being deep again I could care less what you say about me.The topic is crime,major and otherwise evolving into homeless people which has been a consistent topic on the forum for years. Your anouncment despite the fact you hate to blow your own horn exhibits your misplaced ego.A true giver tells no one. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 1990 Registered: 07-2004 |
I could care less about what I don't know about you Ribalda.I know that you are pompous, and self congratulatory not exactly virtues. As for me being deep I could care less what you say about me.The topic is crime,major and otherwise evolving into homeless people which has been a consistent topic on the forum for years. Your anouncement of your twenty dollar sweepstake giveaway despite the fact you hate to blow your own horn exhibits your misplaced ego.A true giver tells no one. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1003 Registered: 01-2005 |
Well, this thread sure went to hell fast! | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7728 Registered: 12-2003 |
Sorry, Ray. Sorry, Y'all. Had to defend what honor I might have left...I'm almost out of pride, too. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4395 Registered: 10-2003 |
So....where was the pizza from? | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1006 Registered: 01-2005 |
Wasn't aiming at you, Gannon....ya done fine. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1757 Registered: 06-2004 |
We don't carry firearms. I'm thinking the Detroit police would not let us use them even if we were interested... which we're not. Too close to vigilante-ism. (Although if you had a permit? Right to bear arms and all... Still, if you're not in your own house, I don't know what that means.) We'd rather our people stay safe and let the people trained for this do their jobs.
I... uh... don't... (clears throat)... actually know. We sometimes do "cell phone"only patrols, but our president frowns on that.
Not that I know of... our comminity was developing a webpage, but all we have is a sort of generic page right now. The city has a blurb on it:
A decent article from a couple years ago in the MT: http://www.metrotimes.com/edit orial/story.asp?id=6669 | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 821 Registered: 06-2006 |
Keep in mind that some folks out there may look homeless, ask for money, get money and will hop into their Escalade and go home. One of the news shows had an expose on this very topic not long ago. I really don't feel sorry for them. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1244 Registered: 12-2005 |
Llyn, thanks for taking the trouble to post all that information. It's just so refreshing to see someone taking action instead of just complaining. My hat's off to you! | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 2883 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'll second that. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7737 Registered: 12-2003 |
Do we have any idea which neighborhoods are taking advantage of the city's program?! I've been trying to learn what the Corktown people are doing...they've been talking about patrols during their last few neighborhood group meetings. Llyn, any chance you'd be able to meet with them at the next one in case they'd like a testimonial of how well one of these programs works?! They won't ask any tough technical questions, I promise. I'd love to know if there were any great reasons to NOT accept the city's money... | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2006 |
Gannon- I am not going to be the culprit here. All that I said , in so many words, was to feed the homeless. You stated, in so many words, that it was somebody elses' problem. Let's not get too far off here....making me the suppressor. And, you won't shut me up with trying to overpower me with insults. I am not the jerk here. Ribalda | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2006 |
Citylover- Let's just go back on topic here, shall we....after you insult me and feel that you have had the last word as well. Well, you are not going to get away with it either. You are another one who feels that it is somebody else's problem to feed the homeless. Think about this the next time you go to your car and see a broken window and wonder why. God gives the vision to see the soul. Ribalda (Message edited by Ribalda on December 27, 2006) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7744 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ribalda, These are many words, please take some time to see if we can clarify this dispute...because you've clearly misunderstood me. I never, ever said anything of the sort...that it was somebody else's problem. Re-read all of my posts here, it is easy to find my name underlined in blue. I only said it would be better for the money to be spent on real shelter for those who don't have it, and food for them directly...but through a government agency because I'm not happy to load up NGA's with this task. Plus, I despise the religiosity that gets packed onto so much of this 'assistance'...it often turns into an evangelism fishing expedition, and MOST evangelists don't realize that most people never listen to their words if they contradict their actions or judgemental behavior. I know that the homeless are extremely sensitive to their situation, many simply cannot face anyone who even just appears to have their lives together...because, perhaps, the glaring contrast highlights their issues, troubles, or plain bad luck. But they can smell a hypocrite a mile away. Even if they pretend to listen, it is usually just to get through to the food. Doesn't mean that good doesn't get done (because anytime someone's needs get met when they cannot it is good) or that good people are not trying from their understanding to do good things for others...it is just oftentimes misunderstood as some gesture to make the GIVER feel better about themselves in their cozy suburban lives. Sometimes, that is exactly what it is. I said when I give, I often will sit and talk with whomever approaches and asks (unless I get a serious check in my spirit, a gut reaction to some bad stuff hovering about)...hopefully let them know very clearly that I value them as individuals of great worth...and it is always a blast to take them to a restaurant for real food. VERY few will ever take me up on that offer...even when we're right in front of a restaurant! You can see in their eyes, sometimes, a fear of being unworthy or a bother or something else. You'd be surprised at the response from people you spend real time with face-to-face...but then again, maybe you've already discovered this deep joy. There are some truly beautiful people suffering their own earthly hells for a variety of reasons. When I say MOST have some drinking or drug problem, that is from direct experience. Percentage-wise, in my life, they are more likely to have uncontrolled substance abuse problems than those who are not homeless...and I even excuse the bulk of THAT due to their need for deep distraction from their rough lives, even when they don't realize the chemical distraction often makes the roughness worse once it's worn off!! It is a quandary I've struggled with for twenty years downtown...meeting and talking with homeless individuals. Some just never even notice that there could be a way out of their situation...some are outside the system on purpose, avoiding some legal judgement or worse. Culprit? Suppressor? I'm trying to overpower you with insults? NO, I said in kind words that you have your HEAD UP YOUR ASS or some other serious reading comprehension issue. Take ONE hint from me...Mr. 52 Posts (a belated welcome, by the way)...when someone says something to you like, Exactly what are you saying What in the heck are you talking about, man?! You misinterpreted my remarks and called ME out on a variety of untruths. You might read them as cries for MORE communication, not less. If you state something that can be taken a few ways, I usually want to clarify before engaging...because MOST friction between two individuals is USUALLY a lack of communication, something is missing in the translation between them...even IF they are speaking the same language! I hate to break this to you, but you ARE being the jerk here. I've given you multiple times to redeem yourself, even joking about your poor head-in-butt handicap before you went and confirmed it actually to be true. Unfortunately, that handicap isn't covered by the Americans with Disabilities Act, so you're on your own until you can get it fixed. You'll get no sympathy from me, and you don't qualify for any better parking spots. Back to the sub-topic at hand...do you REALLY just go up and give money to strangers that appear homeless BEFORE they ask?! When you have NONE left to take care of your own needs, is that when you know you are truly compassionate?! I am being a smart-ass with these items ONLY because you started throwing shit bombs around accusing anyone and everyone who didn't just hand over cashola to be evil. Not to blow my own horn (since we're comparing horns), but much of my energy goes to avoiding evil...indeed, it ends one of my favorite canned prayers. You don't know me, unless you've been lurking here before you posted...but I'm one of the last people you can accuse of being heartless or uncompassionate or anything of the sort. Unless you're taking lessons from Karl...he is pretty good at painting anyone NOT toeing his line as evil incarnate. Cheers, sincerely. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 5516 Registered: 09-2005 |
Ribalda, since my name has been mentioned, I'll comment. You're new, and perhaps young, so don't be too taken aback by the attacks here. You'll learn how to say things more succinctly. In the meantime, note in Gannon's post above that he starts out very nice ("welcome" and so forth) then augers down to "sh-- bombs" "jerk" and "HEAD UP YOUR A--" and then dragging me into it. This is predictable behavior here, not sure if the meds wear off or if he just blathers this way as a matter of course. Bottom line: at the end of the day, he writes 20 pages to say one paragraph. Simply learn to think more, write less, and wait before reacting. If you're even a degree right of left in your thinking, expect a regular barrage of brickbats, most here are leftists, and more than a few veer into the "leftist loon" territory. Hope this helps. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7751 Registered: 12-2003 |
You're only supposed to show up when one of us mentions your name THREE TIMES! You haven't read your haunting manual, Karl! You are truly a shallow, scary person, my friend...and just show up to give me more difficulty in life. It is easily apparent that Ribalda threw the first 'shit bomb' in this discussion, I've not edited or deleted any of my posts. He did it less passive-aggressively than you ever have, but I digress. When I feel the need to be understood clearly, something that is obviously lost on your opaque self, THEN I'll type more than a trite comment. (is it your blackened, empty-dead soul-space that makes you less transparent?) I'll be sure to post my important points in bold text so your executive self can rush through to the talking points, since I know that is your FowNews training. It would be SO easy to just tell you to go fuck off, like everyone else continually has, but I refuse to go there unless you REALLY piss me off. You remember, like the time you went after my cousin-in-Baghdad's safety and security to prove another of your unbelievably WEAK points?! When you challenged my concerns about HER because I dare challenge your team's worship of money? OR was it the times you continually brought up the death of my firstborn at the hands of abortionists?! (because I dare challenge your team's worship of FoxNews?!) Yeah, Karl...my posts always start out nice, because UNLIKE you, I actually consider that when I'm in a heated discussion with someone...that I'm having a discussion with a person of value, where we 'might' be able to achieve compromise after sharing our perspectives and analysis over a topic. I've NEVER seen you bow to compromise OR admit to any sort of error OR in any way, shape, or form acknowledge that those who disagree with even the slightest point of yours to have a valid argument. EVER. If it's happened, forgive me. You continually prove that isn't the case...usually I doubt your mere humanity, but then realize that yours is what the human form resembles AFTER you've sold your soul. I hope that works out for you. So despite the appearances, I treat you differently. THIS guy, Ribalda? He's new here and obviously has issues tying people together so he can have windmills to fight. I know that is why you have such affinity for him. That is the only way I can see how I earned such vitriol..."ass-soul". Whatever. Heh. I'm greatly amused, now that I've spoken my piece. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 890 Registered: 11-2003 |
1 hand clapping 1 person playing tug-o-war 1 person throwing personal insults back and forth Some of the things you dont usually see. | ||
Hysteria Member Username: Hysteria Post Number: 1956 Registered: 02-2006 |
Pretty sure Ribalda is a chick. | ||
Yupislyr Member Username: Yupislyr Post Number: 181 Registered: 07-2004 |
This is no different than any city, just your chances of it happening are obviously higher in a downtown hot spot like around the Majestic. It's sad but if you give a thief even a hint of a carrot, they're going to probably go for it. I doubt police presence would really make a difference unless we become like the U.K. and have cameras everywhere. It takes like what, 5 seconds to smash and grab? Had a few friends get their windows smashed around the Majestic, but the common thread is always that they left something of even small value in plain sight. I've told them before not to leave stuff out in the open but no one cares until it's their window that's smashed in. On a Windsor board I'm on, there's always a new post now and then about someone's car getting broken into. Again, they left something in the car, it got stolen, they cried. Usually I'll park in any of the lit and travelled areas around a few block radius of the Majestic and have yet to have a problem. But then again, using the common sense of not leaving things in my vehicle, I've never had a break-in of any type, anywhere, in any city I've been to, in either country. Sure there's nothing stopping some dude from just smashing my window in a random act of vandalism, but I'm definitely decreasing the chances of it. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 9084 Registered: 10-2003 |
A little late here but since DEtroit has a serious crime problem, why doesn't the city use any money or divert money to the DPD as a priority instead of the grand schemes they choose. Why does the city have the Manoogian Mansion? Why fix the pool at such an exorbitant price? Why such an entourage of people for the mayor and his wife? The list goes on.... People in here say there isn't a crime problem. But I bet $1,000 that if yo ask people why they don't go to Detroit or why they moved the #1 or #2 reason is crime. But then again the city wouldn't be "keeping it real" and we all know Detroit wants to be on the map for something; Hell anything it seems but for all the wrong reasons and for all the wrong stats. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2006 |
Guys- My first post of 12/26 was in response to two posts that I read by Firstandten-12/25 6:53 PM, and Ravine-12/25/06. For the last 25 years at least during the Christmas season and through the year as well, if I have any extra money and see someone struggling, I will stop and give them some . I do this rather than giving to charities because you don't know where your money goes. I don't trust a lot of humans. This is just what I do. For some reason, Milwaukee, Citylover, and Gannon jumped in on this....whether to discredit me, or just to spout off. I was not looking for an argument. I was only trying to convert you to my way of thinking. Then came Ray1936 and then Karl, who must be hallucinating to think that he was even mentioned at all. Well, you guys have an argument. I will, now, not shut up until I have the last word. You are all wack-o. Let's go from here. Ribalda. P.S. Look up the word "RIBALD" in the dictionary. I added an "a" to the end of the word making it the Spanish equivalent of female. Yes, guys. I am a woman. And, you all are poor excuses for men. Ready, set, GO!!!! I am pissed now. It must suck to be you!! BABY, BABY, BABY!!! (Message edited by Ribalda on December 27, 2006) | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2006 |
Let them move to Cuba with Fidel. There isn't six inches amongst them. (LOL). I'm so funny. Ribalda | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 541 Registered: 08-2006 |
Youch! Settle down Riblada, I'm all for charitable giving, I just feel I know where the money is going if I give it to a charity. "If you're even a degree right of left in your thinking, expect a regular barrage of brickbats, most here are leftists, and more than a few veer into the "leftist loon" territory." Karl, I think she's a couple degrees left of the left. | ||
Ribalda Member Username: Ribalda Post Number: 55 Registered: 12-2006 |
NO YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING IF YOU GIVE IT TO CHARITY. You only THINK that you know where it's going. And, the good guys are only the good guys in fiction. Ribalda | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 7771 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ribalda, On that we agree strongly. But I dare say you wouldn't recognize a good guy if one stepped on your toe by mistake. Damn shame you had to go right to dick size, too. Either way, I'm not fazed...I won't come up shy in either analysis. Now I know 'english spousal' translation is necessary I'll do my best to play the communication game with you. You've obviously never heard of it, but the technique is a great way to avoid miscommunication, especially verbal! When you read or hear something that immediately offends you...you politely repeat the comment back in your words...telling the individual HOW and WHY the comment struck you as it did and ASK if the other person intended on offending you or did you perceive it wrong. USUALLY, it is incorrect perception, or some trigger deep within the context of your life experience that causes the disruption in communication. I am a stickler for it, hence the extremely long posts. Can we reset this entire conversation? We agree on helping the homeless directly...that said, I don't just 'hand over cash' to everyone I meet that asks. YOU never addressed my perception that I asked you directly about regarding whether you simply go up to some raggedy stranger and offer 'em cashola before they ask!! When I have anything that I can afford to give I will spend time with them rather than just fork it over and flee. Even if I have no cash, I will still stop and give them conversation if they are interested. I've met some incredible people that way...and the dirtballs just run to the next mark. NOW that I know you at least have female plumbing and a probable feminine appearance, I realize that my approach might not work for you as often...since homeless men outnumber the women ten to one or more in my travels. (it is likely the women are just smarter about getting into shelters on time, how's THAT for a generalization) I used to know shelters that I could give directly to or volunteer for...it is fine time for me to revisit those efforts. I would like for the government to be directly involved in shelter and housing MORE for people in true need...and NOT to dump things on religious organizations. How did you miss my direct comments on spending meal time with the homeless I meet? WTF, you went after me savagely because I merely agreed with Milwaukee on something? We weren't ganging up on you...mello out. You're not Karl, you haven't proven yourself to be this near-constantly obnoxious hypocrite...although I treasure the threads where he simply shows that he can still remember being merely human with a soul...I know deep that there is some hope for him left, he can fog a mirror so he can hopefully make better choices. Why did you repeatedly escape my direct appeal for communication clarity? None of this heat needed to happen, but thanks for the exercise. Sorry for the sexist talk, it is all from direct experience watching people communicate. Equal does NOT mean identical...thank God. | ||
Terryh Member Username: Terryh Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2006 |
I had a very unpleasant 'misunderstanding' with two very rude childlike antagonistic plainclothes cops in an unmarked car back in'98. Long story but that experience besides what I have researched has made me understand some of the animosity and apprehension of the police in urban settings. On the other hand, it is important to remember that, not all cops are apathetic: some are promoted to inspector commander rank through hard work and professionalism. In the book 'Who Killed Detroit' former Police Commissioner Johanness Spreen criticized Detroit Police Department for low hiring standards and failure of the Department to discipline unruly antagonistic cops. 'Who Killed Detroit' is a must read.BTW my car was broken into at 6 and Schaefer and the police responded fairly quickly on a Sunday morning. | ||
Chub Member Username: Chub Post Number: 451 Registered: 11-2003 |
That's because there are no pizza joints open on Sunday morning. | ||
Islandman Member Username: Islandman Post Number: 333 Registered: 08-2004 |
I think that all of you are missing the most important point...THAT THE CITY OF DETROIT IS CASH STRAPPED...which means that there are only about 1,200 cops[if that] on the streets for the total day [3 different shifts, 6 districts] there are only 3 - 4 cars that answer all the runs in a given shift. There are no "EXTRA' cops to patrol your cars at a club or restaurant, please keep in mind that YOU hold the key, don't leave anything on your seats or anywhere in plain site for "ROBBERS" to set their sights on. Downtown or the CBD [Central Business District] is the safest place you can be. Don't blame the Detroit Police Dept. for the upper echelon's short-comings for the police on the street...they are doing their best!! BY THE WAY, I AM NOT ISLANDMAN, I AM USING HIS LAPTOP {NOT STOLEN}AT A BAR IN THE CITY...WHICH I COME TO ALL THE TIME...I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE POSTS... I am the wife of a police officer that has been shot at, and stabbed...imagine that...you get a call to come to hospital for you husband or spouse that you don't know their status...and you have kids...they work very hard, and yes, they deserve a lunch break, and a smoke break...their radios' don't work, their cameras' don't work, and yet THEY GO TO WORK EVERYDAY! This is not the suburbs, they have actual work to do, they do not get calls for a cat in the tree, they get calls for multiple homicides...this is their average day...the ones in the precints or "DISTRICTS" are there for the stolen cars or B&E's at homes....that is what 331 is for...but the "DISTRICTS" offices are more dangerous than the streets...this is something that you wouldn't understand unless you are close to a DPD officer...so check yourself when you want to criticize someone for what they do, they put their life on the line every minute of the day, and their families are at home reading your full of shit posts everyday........think about it....... | ||
Kathinozarks Member Username: Kathinozarks Post Number: 105 Registered: 11-2006 |
Ribalda, your post of Dec. 26, 1:50pm is the first time I notice you becoming a bit sanctimonious. You said "you all are being cold and selfish". Just because someone doesn't hand out their own money willy nilly to whomever they see on the street does not make them "cold and selfish". Oh, and it was probably a mistake to "toot your own horn" here, even if you did say you "hate to". Oh, and I'm only working part time with no health insurance. If I get sick will you take care of me? I'm a worthy person too. |
