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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 235
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 3:52 pm: |    |
Southwestmap:
You are correct, the neighborhood was indeed well integrated into the late 70's. At the very end of the 70's, I'd estimate my block in south Rosedale was 65% white and 35% black. Probably majority black today.
My old block still looked good in 2004 and the island was being maintained well. In the background of the photograph in my May 28, 2007 post, you can make out the northern tip of our island. Often the ends of the island were full of perennials. |
Corktowner
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Username: Corktowner
Post Number: 14
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 3:59 pm: | |
That other grocery store was Great Scott!
I'm building new memories living in Corktown, another great place to live in the city. |
65memories
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Username: 65memories
Post Number: 417
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 7:15 pm: | |
Corktowner...today I went by your old house at Rosemont/Chalfonte on the way home and the house still looks great. |
Ray1936
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Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 1511
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 10:10 pm: | |
I promised to post a photo of the three houses on Warwick a few posts back, and sorry to report that my scanner took a dump. Maybe later. |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 252
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 12:10 am: | |
What are the boundaries of Corktown? |
Focusonthed
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Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1020
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 12:29 am: | |
As I recall, Rosedale/Grandmont is even more black than the Detroit average. Just significantly more upper class though. |
Corktowner
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Username: Corktowner
Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 7:09 pm: | |
Corktown is bounded by 6th to 14th (east-west) & I-75 to Porter (north-south). |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 295
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 12:18 am: | |
Corktowner:
I'm not at all familiar with the Corktown area you specified, except for Tiger stadium. In fact, it appears that Tiger Stadium takes up a substantial area in Corktown. Please educate me - what are the plans for Tiger Stadium? Does Corktown have a development plan?
Is there a Corktown website, or a source that has photographs of the area's attributes? |
Bvos
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Post Number: 2187
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 9:02 am: | |
Focusonthed is correct that Rosedale and Grandmont have a higher percentage of black folks than the city as a whole. And Focusonthed is correct that it's mainly upper middle class - a median household income of around $71,000, higher than most of Oakland Co. and higher than the Grosse Pointes.
While most of Rosedale and Grandmont likely voted for Hendrix since he's done so much in the neighborhood (long before he was a politician) you have to remember that Christine Beatty lives in North Rosedale. So I doubt they'd punish the neighborhood for aligning with Hendrix. Beatty would be hurting herself as well. |
56packman
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Post Number: 1389
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 10:39 am: | |
I'll bet they know who the F___ she is! |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 904
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 11:24 am: | |
"While most of Rosedale and Grandmont likely voted for Hendrix since he's done so much in the neighborhood (long before he was a politician) you have to remember that Christine Beatty lives in North Rosedale. So I doubt they'd punish the neighborhood for aligning with Hendrix. Beatty would be hurting herself as well."
Actually, Grandmont and the Rosedale's voted Kilpatrick, much to my surprise. Especially considering that N. Rosedale is also Hendrix's neighborhood. I didn't even know Beatty lived there... |
65memories
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Username: 65memories
Post Number: 419
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 12:23 pm: | |
Beatty is a recent resident. Hendrix has been there for 20+ years, even serving as a North Rosedale Park Board member and Past-President of the Association and one of the founders of the Rosedale-Grandmont Little League. So if N. Rosedale went for Kilpatrick, it is a surprise, especially considering the high visibility of Hendrix signs in the neighborhood compared to Kilpatrick signs. Maybe those were the ballots that some said ended up on Belle Isle... |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 910
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 8:48 am: | |
"Maybe those were the ballots that some said ended up on Belle Isle..."
Maybe. I couldn't believe it until myself, but that's clearly what the election maps showed (they were posted on the Detroit News website some time ago). Apparently, he did some serious campaigning over there inbetween the primary and the general election. He owes his re-election to that area... |
Hawthorne
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Username: Hawthorne
Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:26 am: | |
My aunt lived in Rosedale Park on Grandville south of Chalfonte from 1964 to 1967. I remember there was a small air-tube opening near the side door that didn't seem to be used for water pipes or electrical wires. Always wondered if it might have been a low-tech intercom to allow someone at the door to identify themselves before the door was opened?
When visiting my Aunt, we were sometimes treated to lunch at the "new" McDonald's on Grand River just West of the Southfield Expwy. Hamburgers were only 15 cents back then.
At nearby Stoepel Park, my cousins and I would walk a short trail that was in among the trees and hedges to get to the playground. |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 404
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 12:39 pm: | |
I vividly recall journeying through the large hedges and "trees" at the great Stoepel Park. There is a brief discussion on "Stoepel Park in the 1970's", please see
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/102667.html?1180181113 |
Terryh
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Post Number: 357
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 12:53 pm: | |
I have a Rosedale Park home owners association newsletter from the 50s. Very conservative. |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 405
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 1:35 pm: | |
Terryh:
That Rosedale Park (RP) home owners association newsletter would be very interesting to read. Maybe another poster has a more recent (or older) RP newsletter which could also be shared?
Please scan and share it in this thread? |
Terryh
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Post Number: 362
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 2:01 pm: | |
I need to obtain access to a scanner: give me a couple of days. |
65memories
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Post Number: 421
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 2:59 pm: | |
Terry..as a 30 year resident of Rosedale Park and past member of the Board, I'd like to see it too. |
65memories
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Post Number: 422
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 5:25 pm: | |
Ray1936...this is a picture of your old house on Warwick...The photo was taken yesterday.
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65memories
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Post Number: 423
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 6:37 pm: | |
Club Boss...This is your grandmother's old house on Warwick in Rosedale Park, which was next door to Ray1936.
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65memories
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Post Number: 424
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 6:42 pm: | |
This is Billy Rogell's old house on Warwick, next to Ray1936
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Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 420
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 7:08 pm: | |
Ray1936:
It would be great to view both "then" and "now" photographs of the three houses on Warwick. Courtesy of 65memories, we've seen the "now" and the houses look very nice. For the "then" photographs, it would be nice to see your photographs, if your scanner works. |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 476
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 11:10 pm: | |
Here are two photographs from 1989 on Greenview in south Rosedale Park.
Facing north
Block party
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65memories
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Post Number: 426
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:08 pm: | |
"Bump" for Ray1936 |
Ray1936
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Post Number: 1586
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 11:25 pm: | |
Thanks for the bump, 65memories, and WOW....did that tree between the sidewalk and the curb ever take off! I can't believe it. There was an old elm tree there when we moved in in 77, and the city took it down about 81. In 82 they planted that tree there, and it was but a sapling even when we moved in 1984. The house looks in fine shape, also.
Thanks a bundle for those photos. Brings back some very warm memories, and I'm delighted to see the old stomping grounds looking so well maintained. |
Jjaba
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Post Number: 5415
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 2:05 pm: | |
And we always thought Ray1936 came from modest means as a poor Detroit Times newsboy. Wow, he sure did upgrade from his days at the Washburn/Grand River sub-station working for Jim Beyers.
Really beautiful property, Ray. Congratulations.
jjaba's old Northlawn house still looks wonderful too. There is a lotta pride in the private homes in NW Detroit.
jjaba, Westside old timey newsboy, "dooring em". |
Ray1936
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Post Number: 1588
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 3:15 pm: | |
Yeah, it was a beautiful home, and it was a little painful to sell and move, but the lure of the west was just too much. We bought the house originally from my Detroit Times Christmas tips. No, I don't regret one minute making the move. We've loved living in the desert and we go back to Michigan in the summer every year for two or three weeks, so what the heck. Ain't for everyone, but works for us. |
Jjaba
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Post Number: 5418
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| | Posted on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 7:27 pm: | |
jjaba bought a used car with his Detroit Times Christmas tips. Ray1936 must have been an ace on his news route. jjaba was good, and the route was in our family for eight yrs., but not THAT good to buy in Rosedale.
jjaba, Proud to be Westside. |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 513
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 6:22 pm: | |
Here are some pertinent web links:
North Rosedale Park Civic Association (NRPCA) or http://www.northrosedalepark.o rg/
The Grandmont Rosedale Development Corporation (GRDC) or http://www.grdc.org/ |
Waxx
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Post Number: 242
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:56 am: | |
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t heblacklightstudio/1089189641/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t heblacklightstudio/1090058076/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t heblacklightstudio/1090058734/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/t heblacklightstudio/1089201795/
If there are any inaccuracies in the
description(s) of these images, please let me know and I will correct them ASAP. |
56packman
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Post Number: 1625
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:20 am: | |
the first picture (1089189641) is of the former Carail museum, my former place of work. Those are new/old-looking streetlights, the old ones came down as the bases under them rusted out. The city would send a crew out with a pickup truck and short trailer. After the crane lowered the old unit a PLD employee would cut them into bite-sized lengths with a cutting torch. All of the lights in that block were replaced with the "modern" type about 2000 when grand river was completely torn up and repaved. THe water mains were (finally) replaced at that time, new sidewalks and light poles. |
Vetalalumni
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Post Number: 517
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:14 pm: | |
Waxx:
Is there any chance you could take a few comprehensive photographs of the Grandland Shopping Center? I've lived out-of-state for about 20 years now and have heard Grandland has undergone very significant changes.
Thanks for the photographs. Photograph #1090058734 brought back a flood of memories. It shows the location that used to house a rather large NBD branch. That NBD branch was where as a very young teenager I opened my first savings account in 1975. The parking lot was always very full and often overflowed on to Rosemont Avenue. I vividly recall initially being awe struck once inside the branch. Upon entering the front door, the tellers were on the left, the guarded safe was straight ahead, and the other staff were on the right behind desks. Everything was large and seemed so very important. Everyone was very polite and business-like at all times. The stern and imposing Branch Manager knew me and I must admit I was scared of her.
Regarding Photograph #1089201795, where is it located (cross streets)? |
Club_boss
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Post Number: 192
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 2:34 pm: | |
Thank you for the pic., and yes that was her home, the fence wasnt there, but that's it.
That was the nicest house she ever had, including the home she moved into after leaving Detroit. |
Iheartthed
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Post Number: 2203
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 2:39 pm: | |
When did they install those "Grandmont-Rosedale Communities" sign? |
Mother_earth
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 2:50 pm: | |
Ray 1936..I live out west in the desert. Scottsdale AZ. Where do you live in the desert. I thought the pictures of the homes on Warwick were beautiful. So happy to see them looking great. I left part of my heart in good old Detroit, Michigan...... |
Ray1936
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Post Number: 2258
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 4:31 pm: | |
Las Vegas, Mother earth; moved here in 1984, but we get back to MI every summer. Yeah, Rosedale Park is, fortunately, being very well maintained. Does me good every time I go back for a visit.
Was looking at that paragraph above in answer to you....actually, Henderson, not LV. |
Jiminnm
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Post Number: 1512
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 5:05 pm: | |
Ah yes, another desert rat (affectionately speaking). |
Ray1936
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Post Number: 2259
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 5:37 pm: | |
.....and, Jim, I know every inch of I-40 in NM from Gallup to Tucumcari. |
Reddog289
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:15 am: | |
after reading the tax list in sundays freep, i should have waited and bought a house in rosedale park. |
Slipkid
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 11:06 am: | |
Just FYI, there is no "South Rosedale". It is Rosedale Park and North Rosedale. My mom used to correct people about this. |
Vetalalumni
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Post Number: 1137
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 2:53 pm: | |
Correct Slipkid. South (Rosedale) was simply a convenient descriptor. |
Dianeinaustin
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| | Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - 11:31 am: | |
I moved to Texas in 1978 from 16589 Warwick. I only lived there 2 years but my folks stayed longer. I think they sold in 1986. I loved that neighborhood.
Hey 65memories. 4 out of 5 kids went to Coffey and Henry Ford. We used to live at 8 Mile and Southfield. What years did you teach at those schools? |
Slipkid
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 7:50 am: | |
Photograph #1090058734: Yea, I can still recall passing by that NBD in the 60's. I remember as a kid asking about the scorched outline of a chimney on it's west side wall. My mom said there used to be a barber shop on that spot...they tore it down for a parking lot. My first bank account was up Grand River to the east at Standard Federal Savings. $12...back then they would let a kid have a small account and be proud of it. Today that account would be charged a fee and be consumed by the bank in 1-2 months....if they even let you open it in the first place! |
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