  Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4838 Registered: 08-2004 |
When One Detroit Center (Comerica Tower) was built back in 1991, it was labeled the largest office building downtown at 1 million sq. ft. It edged out the 880,000 sq. ft. Penobscot Building. I cannot find stats on the Compuware HQ, but I believe that it too is around 1 to 1.1 million. Emporis states that the future addition to the building would be 325,000 sq. ft., but that doesn't really help answer the question. As far as how tall a new Quicken HQ would be? That is not easily determined. With the Statler site, one has to factor in the fact that the People Mover cuts into a significant corner of the block. And since we don't know whether it will be a blocky building (like Compuware) or a tower/block combo (like the Book complex) or just a tower (like Comerica), it's pure speculation at this point, without any easy answers. My personal choice would be something like the Book complex, with a bulky base and a tower. I would like to see a building that goes out to the sidewalk on all sides, rather than a tower with a plaza out front and around it (like Comerica Tower). Of course, if it ends up on the Hudson's block, it'll be short and blocky (no more than 15 stories). | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 352 Registered: 01-2004 |
I would assume parking would only go up about 10 stories tops, so after that, they could use the entire 75,000 sf. Thus, a 15-20 story tower is likely, unless more jobs than expected come, or they are thinking for the future, they 30 + is feasible. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 254 Registered: 12-2006 |
If it ends up on the Statler site, I think having a very small plaza area facing Grand Circus Park would be a great design feature. It would provide some great opportunities for outdoor seating for any potential first floor restaurant (ESPNZone?)that might wish to locate in the building. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5802 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yes, I made a mistake with Compuware. As for One Detroit Center, it has rentable area of 951,324 square feet, with the 1.6 million being gross square footage (i.e. including elevator floor space, mechanical rooms/levels, ect..) | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 355 Registered: 01-2004 |
Ah, thanks for the clarification LMich. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4847 Registered: 08-2004 |
Yes thanks for that info Lmichigan. By describing One Detroit Center (Comerica), you gave us a clue as to how when buildings get taller and taller, the "law of diminishing returns" sets in for office versus mechanical and elevator space. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5803 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yeah, my only point was that there is no way to judge with any certainty how this could go. He could got for a signature, multi-tenant skyscraper (One Detroit Center), or a stand-alone corporate mid-rise (Compuware). I personally think that Quicken will do something in between, but who knows? The suspense is killing me. BTW, Compuware contains 1,088,000 sq ft of rentable floor area, and 1,200,000 sq ft gross with the option to fill in the wedge with another 325,000 sq ft (gross). Also, most can't tell unless they look very closely from the outside, but the entire two top floors of Compuware are actually mechanical space. (Message edited by lmichigan on July 16, 2007) | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 332 Registered: 04-2006 |
Man, I say we start a Quicken Calendar...kinda like a baby calendar where everyone gets to pick the day that the announcement is made (whether to be dwntwn or not). Who will be the first to post the media article?...Probably everybody and their mother all at once. lol | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1750 Registered: 02-2007 |
Ok, while we're having all this speculatory business on the thread, another update should be arriving within the next 2 weeks. | ||
Rbdetsport Member Username: Rbdetsport Post Number: 313 Registered: 11-2005 |
Where did that timetable come from? And really, what does update mean in this situation. Its either a yes or no. No updates in between. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1751 Registered: 02-2007 |
Also, no one said he would be making hbis yes or no decision this time around. Somewhere in this thread, the New Article said between the date printed and August 1st. | ||
Mdoyle Member Username: Mdoyle Post Number: 137 Registered: 10-2006 |
I'm voting announcement to be made Wednesday July 25th | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3239 Registered: 02-2005 |
It will be on 7/26. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1315 Registered: 10-2006 |
If it helps for determining height, the number of parking spaces required will prob. be at least 3/1,000 SF of office space, but more likely 4/1,000 SF. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5805 Registered: 10-2003 |
Why are we automatically assuming this structure will sit above a parking garage? It would seem much more likely to me that the parking garage will be built as a separate structure, most likely on the Tuller lot if we're talking the Statler site, much in the same way Compuware's garage is behind its headquarters. | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 413 Registered: 11-2006 |
quote: "Who will be the first to post the media article?.." I'll have it by 4:30 a.m. on July xx. I just couldn't put myself up to specifying the exact date. But if pushed, it will be Thursday, July 26. (I'll be up early). | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1759 Registered: 02-2007 |
I'll just find out like everyone else, See and hear it during the 5 O'Clock News on WDIV! (Message edited by Urbanize on July 16, 2007) | ||
Motorcitydave Member Username: Motorcitydave Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2004 |
Actually, the Statler site is decent size, maybe they will build the office tower with some height, and build the parking garage on the Bagley/Clifford corner of the Statler site, plus the people mover actually cuts through that corner of the site (ie: possible PM station) (Message edited by motorcitydave on July 17, 2007) (Message edited by motorcitydave on July 17, 2007) | ||
Mortgageking Member Username: Mortgageking Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2006 |
Expect an announcement by the first of the month. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 657 Registered: 02-2007 |
GM offered a part of it's land between Atwater and Franklin and St Antoine and Schweizer | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 1137 Registered: 11-2003 |
Compuware's garage is both beside AND below. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3248 Registered: 02-2005 |
That's good to know and not surprising. It makes sense that GM would offer that, and it's good to see that they are aggressively trying to get something built there. In the end, it's better that a mixed use, residential-focused building goes in there. | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 389 Registered: 07-2005 |
I was actually thinking, and I think Quicken wouldn't be too bad there. Depending on how Rivertown develops, if Quicken made a nice tower, it could be a nice focus for the area. And it has the bang Mr. Gilbert wants, plus waterfront sign visibility, and it would probably be easier to develop than the other sites. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3458 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Yawn! What month? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3257 Registered: 02-2005 |
With correct marketing, the E. Riverfront could boom and become something unbelievable if Rock put their HQ there. I think it will be incredible regardless (and just having Quicken downtown will help create demand for riverfront housing), but wow, imagine how vibrant it would be. Let's say 500 of the probable 3000 downtown Quicken/Rock employees created E. Riverfront households by 2015. That would be a total of probably around 1000 residents thanks to Quicken alone, in addition to hopefully a few hundred Ren Cen workers, in addition to a few hundred randoms. Imagine that...and all the people who could walk or bike to work. Ideally, Rock would choose one of the gaping, empty city owned lots that we need first and foremost, and another major employer joins GM and EDS there on the waterfront. Remember we want a mixed-use waterfront neighborhood. Ideally I think 60/25/15 for residential/offices/retail square footage is the best breakdown for this mixed use district (excluding the Ren Cen). | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1776 Registered: 02-2007 |
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a pps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007 0716/SUB/707150317 | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2453 Registered: 06-2004 |
what if he decided to rehab something existing? | ||
Digitaldom Member Username: Digitaldom Post Number: 648 Registered: 08-2004 |
I vote for Art Deco.. EXACTLY Quinn has shown.. that is PERFECT for the GCP area.. It blends in.. AND on top of it.. MAKE SURE it's tall like at least 40 stories or taller.. Make an impact on the skyline.. but don't make it obsene.. I see the skyline from i-75 coming into downtown.. right out the delray area.. MAN what I sight.. It's like driving into chicago.. when you first see downtown.. makes your jaw drop.. one of these days.. ON a light traffic day.. I will have to take a picture near dusk of the Detroit Skyline from the I-75 bridge near Delray.. Amazing site.. I want to be able to see the building from there.. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1784 Registered: 02-2007 |
Yeah, It's the same looking from the NE side of Midtown. It looks so big from a distance (at least in from certain directions). | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11636 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: This is old news, I announced this shit 10 days ago. Go figure |
