  Revaldullton Member Username: Revaldullton Post Number: 484 Registered: 07-2007 |
^^^^^^^^best explanation yet. the good rev | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1971 Registered: 04-2005 |
My totally biased opinion is, that was one of WJBK's finest productions. I can find no fault at all in the script, editing, production or presentation. I hope it is put online for out of town people to see and for us to see again. Thank you WJBK. This is what local TV is suppose to be. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 804 Registered: 04-2007 |
Lowell's explanation just sounds plausible to me. I can understand how it started, and once the genie was out of the bottle how could you put it back in? Wish we could go back in time and observe and document exactly what was happening. Anyone watch the POV special on Newark in '67? | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1972 Registered: 04-2005 |
Fox2 has it online! http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/my fox/pages/Home/Detail?contentI d=3848175&version=3&locale=EN- US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1. 1 | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6255 Registered: 02-2004 |
There you all have it. The 67 riot was not about race, its a rebellion against authority and through that riot it stabbed Detroit in the back leaving it wounded from decades to come. It least its not dead. Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac who could be in heaven had looked at his city seeing it how it grew and later being turn in to a "Mad Max" war. He shook his head in sorrow the wept in tears. Detroit is now stuck in the stone age and its citizens are like cavemen. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2317 Registered: 07-2004 |
Michigan, I had taped the documentary on the Newark Riot and just finished watching it after watching Fox2's report. The parallels between the Newark Riot and the Detroit Riot were uncanny. In both cities, the riots began because of police action that was deemed excessive. Other parallels like economic conditions in the black community can also be seen as being similar. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3475 Registered: 10-2004 |
Rebellion, my ass! It was a classic riot. The same kind of BS that occurs in prisons from time to time. To the clueless on DY, those prisoners are probably rebelling against their (deserved) institutionalization. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1845 Registered: 11-2003 |
I can certainly understand the unrest that permeated the community prior to the riot. It had been building for years. However, I seriously doubt that someone was thinking "I'm not going to take it anymore" as he broke into his neighbor's business establishment and stole anything in sight or torched a residence down the street. | ||
Waz Member Username: Waz Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2006 |
I found it ironic that earlier in the FOX2 news broadcast there was a story about fire hydrant vandalism for scrap metal in the Rosa Parks and Boston area. We sure have come a long way. (Message edited by waz on July 23, 2007) | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 9596 Registered: 10-2003 |
Fox 2's special was great! It was honest and straight to teh point. I liked the way they put the message to the people. That it was up to us to make the change. I wish they would do a follow up and show how Detroit has changed for the better and the worst IE: Median income in 1967 $30,000. Median income 2007 $33,000. PSIP, were some of the footage seen the ones you found? I remember viewing a few of those with you but I was not sure if they were the footage that was rarely seen. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 1886 Registered: 03-2006 |
Why the Orwellian attempt to re-name and re-characterize a historical event after 40 years? Is it to excuse the actions of those involved and to legitimize lawless behavior? Political correctness? Of course it was a riot, everyone knew that including the rioters. That is not to say blacks were not treated poorly prior to the event and that may have been a factor in some joining in. Call it what you will, but THE EFFECT of this incident on the city was that of a riot. As a 9 year old living in Southfield, the effect it had on me was unforgettable. I knew right then and there that I wanted to live as far away from Detroit as possible while staying in the general area. It seems others had the same reaction. The total absence of law and order, the act of destroying ones own neighborhood is as mystifying to me today as it was then. Unfortunately this process continues today in more subtler forms. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 8774 Registered: 09-2005 |
Once again, time, printing presses and video technology allow us the luxury of looking back. Take any burb that had a proliferation of any particular group during this era: Southfield = Jewish Hamtram = Polish Dearborn = Arab Taylor = Moonshiners (OK, maybe I'm not completely accurate on this one) and others....... Were there riots? How are these 'burbs doing now? Was police action in these 'burbs over the years done to put down groups or to control crime? Detroit still recovers 40 years later, a shell of its former self - and still excuses certain folks' behaviors that fateful day. From Martha Reeves singing a Mozart Alleluia at her '50's graduation and the projects turning out all 4 Supremes in that same era - To this. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 1887 Registered: 03-2006 |
The strange aspect of this is that a rebellion implies that folks were rising up above their oppressors, in this case that would be "whites." Lets just say for the sake of argument that it was a rebellion. Well, the white oppressors left the city, black folks are in the majority and control virtually all city government and law enforcement. Yet, the city was better off in many respects in 1967 than it is today. One of the reasons is that black folks still do not OWN enough of the businesses and real estate in the city. It is human nature that you will not care as much about something that you do not own or have worked to build. That is why some of the housing projects were trashed. Black folks need to start taking ownership of some of the city (not by force) and that will foster a sense of pride. Start funneling dollars into buying up real estate and renovating it, you can buy it cheap. Take the streets back from the criminals, teach the kids about entrepreneurship and running a business. There is really a historic opportunity, there has never been so much cheap real estate laying around waiting for someone to turn it around. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2482 Registered: 06-2004 |
PG, how do poor blacks buy real estate and pay the taxes? How do poor whites buy real estate and pay the taxes? You need to read this and this and get a dose of reality. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 1888 Registered: 03-2006 |
You think everyone who owns assets was born with a silver spoon in their mouth? No, you work and save your money like everyone else. When you can buy land for 100 bucks in the city there is opportunity. I have been broke myself, living on 120 bucks a week for a few years back in the early eighties, I am not unsympathetic to the problem. I dug myself out of it and others can do the same. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2483 Registered: 06-2004 |
and what was your expense breakdown of that $120/week? Obviously housing costs weren't involved. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 1890 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: We rented a house. I was broke. My ex made less than me. We were getting by on maybe 800 bucks a month. I used to throw my bills in the trash unopened because I knew I couldn't pay them. Meals were skipped. I never thought of myself as being "poor" at the time although looking back I was at least in the financial sense. I knew I would get out of that mess and I did, without government aid, without help from family or anyone else. You have to look at these challenges as a temporary setback and plan and work your way out of them. There is no other way. | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 999 Registered: 07-2005 |
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Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2484 Registered: 06-2004 |
ahhhh...$800/month for a two income home in the early 1980s - that's a far cry from $120/week for one person | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 2131 Registered: 11-2005 |
quote: So much for personal responsibility. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 1891 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: Not really. My rent was $275 per month and so was the heat bill for the house as it was a dump without insulation. That left $250 for everything else in the wintertime. Trust me, we had nothing. I could go on but it would not be like me to whine. I only told you what I have to illustrate that I am not unfamiliar with the plight of those in poverty. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1209 Registered: 04-2006 |
"I could go on but it would not be like me to whine." Sure it wouldn't... | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 380 Registered: 08-2006 |
Perfect Gentleman, you stated It is human nature that you will not care as much about something that you do not own or have worked to build. That is why some of the housing projects were trashed. -------------------------- Ive read your posts and sometimes agree, sometimes disagree, but from this last statement, you have NO CREDIBILITY with me from now on. I really have a hard time with this statement. Please explain the reasoning behind it...Jane | ||
Terryh Member Username: Terryh Post Number: 413 Registered: 11-2006 |
There are still many blocks in the Rosa Parks-Chicago Blvd-Dexter-Linwood area that appear to be well maintained with immaculate lawns, obvious home improvements etc.Highland Park and many east side neighborhoods appear on the surface to have much more extreme crushing poverty and urban decay. Many of those areas have the appearance of being bombed into oblivion. Also,I cant remember the exact time frame and statistics, but in the late 1950s several east side manufacturing plants closed with the loss of over 71,000 jobs,many a large percentage of which were held by black workers. The decline of Detroit started many years before the riot-rebellion of 67. Running gun battles with the authority figures representing the establishment would be indicate a sense of rebellion. | ||
Wally Member Username: Wally Post Number: 281 Registered: 12-2003 |
Rental houses get trashed all the time. People (renters) generally do not care if they bust a hole in the wall, stain the carpet, or let the yard go to shit. Rental cars turn into pieces of shit too after little mileage. Why does PG's statement baffle you? RIOT - a) public violence, tumult, or disorder. b) a violent public disorder; specifically : a tumultuous disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled together and acting with a common intent. I say it was a riot. (Message edited by Wally on July 23, 2007) | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 9599 Registered: 10-2003 |
Janesback, then you probably have never rented to property to other people. The majority of people may keep the inside clean (somewhat, people are slobs period)but the the outside is another matter. Most people won't even cut the lawn. They believe that because they rent it should be done for them. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 382 Registered: 08-2006 |
Wally, well actually anything I have used , owned or borrowed is returned in the same exact condition I borrowed it in..... Ive rented apts and had the landlord cry because I was moving or the last apt I had purchased my home. Every apt was in pristine condition... I have rented cars, and returned in exact condition, as well as any equipment I have rented..... I guess then there are some people who take pride in owning, renting or using, and others just dont give a shit about themselves or the way they behave, huh Wally? Im beginning to get the picture now...kinda sad. Jane | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 712 Registered: 02-2007 |
Goat -- in many communities, maintenance of public areas of rental properties is the sole duty of the property owner, unless specifically stated in a lease agreement. this normally means all exterior elements, hallways and all common areas | ||
Wally Member Username: Wally Post Number: 282 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: WELCOME TO REALITY. (Message edited by Wally on July 23, 2007) | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 383 Registered: 08-2006 |
I did a google on the riot/rebellion, none of the sites mentioned the word "rebellion" I did read this one letter and thought that it says most of what I have read on these boards for years now. I didnt write the comment, that is why I stated I read it on a forum. I think his last sentence makes the most sense. I guess it could almost go back to the subject of renting, what did you do to contribute to the success of Detroit? Let the yard look like hell and leave trash everywhere, or did you take 2 hours a week to make it look livable and respectable? Thanks Wally for your clarification. I believe you.. Jane ---------------------------- Copied from Detroit News, 7-21-2007 "I've lived in downtown Detroit and the outer cities. I found the people in both places very friendly to be honest. Regardless of race. The folks in the city have made some odd choices though. The riots were before I was born. What has been ongoing is a desperate clinging to a leftist/socialist lie that the Democrats will "fix" Detroit. Its been 40 yrs. Will the perpetual voting for Democrats despite no results change? No chance. So if people choose corruption, destruction and crime, that is their choice. You have to respect it. As an example, Comerica Park (Go Tigers!) is a great place. It brings untold revenue and people into the city. What do the locals do? Chuck bricks at the cars as they leave for the exit to the highway. Or how about the guy on my way to work who worked hard to make his house beautiful? Burnt to the ground. I see at least a major fire a week from my office window. I've taken detours due to gunfights in the street (Mack Ave). After a while, one has to look inward to see what you are contributing to the society and culture. What do your choices mean for your children and society. Is what you are doing or have done worked for you? " |
