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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 7:43 am: |    |
Oleosis said: "I find it pretty interesting how this thread really called out the naysayers. Correct me if I am wrong but this site is named DetroitYes right?"
You would rather hear that all is well vs. varied and objective POVs? Selective perception is what earns undergrads C's on their term papers and what lands dim boyfriends back on the dating scene. |
Iheartthed
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 7:46 am: | |
Varied? The tone has been particularly anti-city... |
Craig
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 7:47 am: | |
Gnome observed: "Oh, yeah, the blackschizo thing is dumb, not funny. Plz keep your racist views under your hood."
Danny - wasn't the schizo-thing your comment. I thought (assumed?) that you are black. |
Pam
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:09 am: | |
quote:I was hoping you would have some informative link
Bite me. |
Craig
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:20 am: | |
Hi Iheart...
Is it anti-City or anti-don't-get-in-over-your-he ad? The value that I see in a forum like DY and a thread like this one is the free and open exchange - has the potential to counter group-think by offering access to pros & cons. If only someone who have taken and shook me when I declared Poli Sci as a major... |
56packman
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:23 am: | |
I did a check on the past owners/tennants of that Humbolt property.
1927-1954 Samson Asbestos corporation
1954-1972 Midwest Carbon Tetrachloride company
1972-? Acme chrome platers |
Detroitplanner
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:30 am: | |
Wow sounds like a great place to make a home and raise a family. Let me give you my first batch of tomatoes out of the yard! |
Gnome
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 9:01 am: | |
56packman you are a genius. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:05 am: | |
Carbon Tetrachloride? chrome platers? Well, that explains the low cost per square foot. The cleanup bill on that place will be enormous!!
Plus petential liabilities for ground water contamination and neighboring properties. I would rethink this and verify my assumptions.
(Message edited by michigan on August 30, 2007) |
Iheartthed
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:21 am: | |
Is it anti-City or anti-don't-get-in-over-your-he ad? The value that I see in a forum like DY and a thread like this one is the free and open exchange - has the potential to counter group-think by offering access to pros & cons.
It's both. And metropolitan Detroit group thinking hasn't been in favor of the city for decades...
But my point was that the tone isn't varied because most are essentially saying not to do the rehab and not to live in the city. |
Craig
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:38 am: | |
^I see that too, and although I'd advise Oleo not to hop in unless he plans to make this his life's work, I say that truth is not a function of democracy. Nothing wrong with being in the minority if one is right. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:07 am: | |
Packman, is that info for real? Where did you get it? |
56packman
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:21 am: | |
It was sarcasm. I made all of those names up. |
Sstashmoo
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:22 am: | |
The naysayers on this chaps idea are not anti-city, just anti that idea. I looked at the listing, it's a half mil away from sleeping a night there and then I'd be skeptical.
To buy that and rough it there, no thanks. I wouldnt sleep there one night for 150k.
And as far as the carbon tetrachloride, it's probably under most manufacturing facilities in North America. It was once used as a cleaner/degreaser by virtually everyone. Take the nastiest piece of equipment, Spray it on and spray it off with a hose. It removed everything but the paint. A lot of factories used it on a regular basis as part of their maintenance program. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:26 am: | |
"It was sarcasm. I made all of those names up."
I thought so... they seemed sort of generic... nevertheless, you may not be far from the truth.
Depending on the site's former uses, mandatory cleanup could run into millions. |
Gazhekwe
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:28 am: | |
Well, my antenna picked that up, but then I overrode it. That was quite a horrific laundry list. It would be possible to see who had the spot by looking in the City Directories. They have them at the Main Library, maybe the older ones are in Burton. I think it would be smart to investigate that, as there is a possibility of something along the lines of packman's joke. The place looks like heavy duty mfg. |
Oleosis007
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:41 am: | |
Like I said I have not preformed any of the due diligence on this particular piece of property. There could be 1000 different things that would make this idea at this property not feasible.
I did not start this post to discuss the potential of this exact piece of property(although I do appreciate the feedback). I started this post to ask for ideas on how to get my girlfriend to change her negative outlook on life in the city. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:55 am: | |
Only way to do that Oleo is to spend enjoyable time in the city. Riverwalk, live music, Grand Prix, etc. Overtime she may come around, but you can't go all Bonnie Raitt on her, "You can't make her love Detroit if she don't" |
Gazhekwe
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 11:56 am: | |
How about a nice little riverfront co-op, or apartment? There are lots, from Harbortown on out almost to Waterworks Park. There is quite a price range, and some, right opposite Belle Isle, have a lovely view of the Thunderboats. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:06 pm: | |
Oh and packman, I feel like a dumb-ss for not seeing that. LOL |
Beavis1981
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 12:59 pm: | |
I regularly deal with some of the shadier people/areas of the d. And guess what? in ten years I have yet to be robbed, beaten, or shot. I have no dogs, gun and I am 6'1" 175 lbs (far from intimidating). However, between my father and I there have been 3 cars stolen and all of them taken during daylight hours while we were at work. So at least in my case most of the horror stories are just that- stories. On the plus side one of the best security systems is also the cheapest- disconnect your battery and bring it in your house.
That said good luck to you and your endeavors, Keep an open mind but a grounded one. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:04 pm: | |
That is cool Beavis. But I suspect that the idea of hauling her battery around will not appeal to this young lady, just aguess  |
Iheartthed
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:20 pm: | |
^Well, she doesn't even have to do that. A kill switch works just the same, no? |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:24 pm: | |
Your girlfriend must be racist.
I kid, I kid. |
Beavis1981
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:32 pm: | |
Iheart- your are correct this is the second cheapest and best method. For about $50-$100 you can have a relay/little red button installed ANYWHERE on your vehicle. The car cannot be started unless you press the button first. In my many years at body shops I can tell you this and gms computer chip keys are the best. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:36 pm: | |
Yes, but then you have to pay for a gym membership, SO where's the savings? |
Beavis1981
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:41 pm: | |
sorry, is collision shop more accurate? |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:45 pm: | |
Beavis, it was a joke about carrying the battery. That it waws akin to a workout, the weight of the battery, oh never mind... |
Beavis1981
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:48 pm: | |
I knew it was joke! Just didn't grasp the whole context . |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 1:50 pm: | |
I saw it the same as Beavis: Body shop being slang for gym. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 2:07 pm: | |
sorry, my bad. I missed that second reference, but now it seems obvious. Beavis do you and your dad own a body shop? |
Beavis1981
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 3:02 pm: | |
Mi- No don't own a shop. My grandfather was manager at various shops for 25+yrs. My father picked up his trade as a master mechanic specializing in frame/body. I worked at stark hickey ford (7 mile and grand river) from 14-16. Then at don massey (10 mile and telegraph) on and off from 16-21. I now sand hardwood floors. |
Rocket_city
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 3:15 pm: | |
The first time I took my parents on a walking tour of downtown (we're not from the area) was in 2004 when things were all torn up (streetscapes, Campus Martius, etc...) What my mom said about 1/2 way through our stroll somewhere around the Washington/Michigan area will stick with me forever.
She said plain and simple out of nowhere, "I can't believe we're walking around downtown Detroit right now." I wasn't sure how to take it, but eventually settled on the idea that Detroit is/was such a foreign concept to them that the last place on earth they would ever find themselves was on foot IN Detroit.
A difference with people like my parents is that they don't have an opinion about Detroit other than the image that it's not a nice place. I'm pleased to say that my folks have been enlightened and love learning about all the stuff going on in the city. Especially my dad. He doesn't understand the concept of Brush Park and who the people are that buy homes there and where they come from. We have long discussions about a lot of aspects similar to that as it relates to Detroit. My mom...she did't understand where all the trash around Gratiot/Mt. Elliott came from when, looking around there were few occupied houses, and not many people around. We were driving around Heidelberg one late winter on that occassion.
But all of a sudden, over the last couple of years Detroit is their state's largest city...and it means something to them...more than just an image of a place they will never have the opportunity to experience.
We started making a tradition of attending one Tigers game each summer, but that kinda fell on the wayside. I think it fizzled once the extended family started taking interest (in the trips) but didn't have as much of an open mind as my folks.
From my vantage point and little time spent in the Detroit influence, education and honesty are two of the most important attributes to have when trying to get someone to understand the city. Even though I eat, breath, sleep, embrace, and live Detroit, I don't sugar coat it and give an honest assessment to the best of my ability. I think once you start over-hyping or glossing over some of the realities, you're just setting yourself up for a potential disappointment.
But take it from my parents...they just needed a little hand-holding and a comforting narration to go along with stepping into unchartered territory for them. That reminds me of one other quick experience when last summer we went to eat at Slow's in the afternoon. Of course it was busy as usual, so we put our reservation in and decided to go for another little walk. Michigan Ave was fine, but when I proposed we take a side street south to go into the Corktown neighborhood, they were apprehensive simply because of the way things looked from MI Ave. Once we went that one block south into the living neighborhood, it was all smiles. |
Michigan
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 3:22 pm: | |
Beavis- that is a tough racket. How's business holding up? |
Gnome
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 7:05 pm: | |
Oleosis,
I just drove by your dream and I simply must say that you are INSANE.
Where do I start? The abandon buildings next door? The cell phone tower in your side yard. The years of neglect? The friendly neighbors that gave me the evil eye? jeeze the list is sooo long there aren't enough words.
Whatever it is you've been smokin, I want some.
If it was 10 grand, then maybe. But not a penny more. |
Lefty2
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| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 7:25 pm: | |
Let me know if she needs an escort to help her feel secure through the byways of the bowels of Detroit. |
Rhymeswithrawk
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| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 3:55 am: | |
She likes going for this but will not even consider moving there.
Sounds like it's time to find a new girlfriend. |
Oldoak
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 11:48 pm: | |
Oleosis are you still interested in opinion on this subject? I have a long post waiting if so…
BTW, in high school twenty years ago, in a city next to Sterling Heights, we used to call it “Sterile Heights”. |
Paulmcall
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| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 4:52 pm: | |
Your girlfriend is no dummy. |
Dougw
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| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 5:22 pm: | |
quote:My girlfriend is afraid of Detroit
Pour her a tall glass of liquid courage. |
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