  Sg9018 Member Username: Sg9018 Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2006 |
Today on WJBK Fox 2 News and in Detroit News there top story was the Kilpatrick whistle-blower case with two two ex-cops probing for allegations of misbehavior. I sure every one knows about the story but, I saw no thread on this important case. What is you guys think about the case. detroit News http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070822/M ETRO/708220401 WJBK Fox http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/my fox/pages/Home/Detail?contentI d=4137254&version=2&locale=EN- US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1. 1 | ||
3420 Member Username: 3420 Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2003 |
Myself as well as another co-worker received a lot of negativity for our opinion about the mayor from some of our other co-workers including one of my bosses. Obviously they are Kilpatrick supporters and my supervisor made it clear that we shouldn't talk about the mayor because he is good for Detroit and she is a supporter. Also, she said the mayor is the best thing that has happened to the city in awhile. Now when she said that we both looked at each other with a grin and kept on doing our work. But in my opinion I find this very interesting. Waiting to see all the evidence before I say anything further. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5156 Registered: 08-2004 |
Interesting to note only 1 juror is from Detroit. I wonder if Kilpatrick will make an issue of this (in a face saving way to his Detroit constituents) if the city loses the lawsuit. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 291 Registered: 11-2003 |
Thing is about politics, supporters drink the kool-aid; they have to because they're putting effort and money behind someone. They have contracts, connections, friends at risk. In short, there are a lot of people who stand to lose money if Kilpatrick loses (which, by the way, is the same as ANY politician). I've just resigned myself to the state of government in the city - it won't change. How many times on this board has wards been floated, different council members talked about - newspaper stories - and nothing happens. I'm an advocate of the Karmanos model - the best way to affect change is to pay for it. You show up with millions of bucks, and you'll get listened to. And that's the way this country, for the most part, works. | ||
3420 Member Username: 3420 Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2003 |
Th conversation is still being whispered around the office. My co-worker made a good point as well as I did about the two different types of voters in Detroit. I don't think I have to explain that but it is true. If those who didn't vote for the mayor talk about him then we are perceived to not be on his side of things, going with his plans, or not simply black enough as the tone I heard from a co-worker. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 292 Registered: 11-2003 |
I've heard that, too, 3420, in various places. It's not just at your work. | ||
3420 Member Username: 3420 Post Number: 136 Registered: 10-2003 |
Digitalvision I agree with you 100%. This is my first time receiving such a negative impact since working here. I have been here for 3 months and it has been smooth. But since I said I didn't vote for him the first time nor the second time my-workers became outraged. These are some die-hard Kilpatrick supporters..lol. My co-worker and I are literally laughing because they love there KING. When I made the statement he played to the black church and non-issue knowing residents they were like who do you think you are? I responded saying I research my candidate as well as look at the motives to why they would want to hold the office. When he first ran the image he already put in place by his immaturity and careless financial responsibility was that I'm the man I can do whatever mentality. But the uproar came when I stated he uses religious leaders and the race card to play to those Detroiters who vote on emotion. Knowing there are more people in this city who really don't know the issues or care to know and he uses he tactics to prey on there emotions. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5163 Registered: 08-2004 |
Digitalvision and 3420... This whole scenario as you describe it "not being black enough" was brought out in the open when former Mayor Archer did not award Don Barden a casino franchise. Things then got ugly and Barden played the race card. Then the "Call em out Coalition" (which I'm sure he helped fund) got a petition for the recall of Archer, which fortunately the recall failed. But Archer was labeled as not being black enough, and he defended himself by saying that "unlike others, he didn't like to wear his blackness on his sleeve". I'm sure that entire scenario soured him on any prospects for a 3rd term in office. And then of course there's that rag... "The Michigan Citizen", a newspaper that still makes it their agenda to hound him and his family ever since.... with titles like "GM LAYS OFF 25,000/DENNIS ARCHER JR. GETS $70 MILLION GM CONTRACT". Talk about sleazy. | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 1024 Registered: 10-2003 |
You know how to whistle don't you? Just put your lips together and blow. - Lauren Bacall | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2007 |
this girl is learning early, just kidding ;) http://video.yahoo.com/video/p lay?vid=979007&fr= | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 336 Registered: 05-2004 |
Another black eye for the city and Kwame's wife sure won't be happy to have old news rehashed. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6389 Registered: 02-2004 |
King Kwame is going to get it! Unfortunately he'll win and the cover-up the case so that he could keep his personalty clean. | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 67 Registered: 05-2007 |
The most anticipated court days Detroit has seen in years... | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2007 |
Does anyone remember the dust-up in 1989 when Coleman had to be taken to Court by his city employee sweetie(Ms. Calvert) to prove Hissoner was the father of Joel Loving? Blood tests, thousands in child support, the news splashed across local state and national press venues, marches by the Save Our Strength Coalition. ... All during an election year? It brought Erma Henderson in the Primary along with John Conyers and another dozen more folks who were OUTRAGED that Coleman would father a child out of wedlock and then deny it? Coleman's voting base didn't care. In fact some were quite proud that the 71 year old Mayor was still firing live ammo. Blah, blah ... unfortunately, my guess is that Kwame will lose the law suit and come election time the voters will forget about it - or Kwame will use the prosecution as proof of persecution by an all white jury. Kwame's lawyers could have selected a different jury - one that racially reflects the city - but the lawyers knew they would lose the case based on testimony, but they could win in the Court of Public Opinion if Kwame was found guilty by a white jury. That's my guess ... even now when you listen to the news reports, you learn about the racial make up of the jury. The groundwork is being laid for: "Another Lynching" | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 344 Registered: 05-2004 |
It shows how ignorant the voting public is. The "man" is keeping the black brother down? Too bad Detroit residents can't wake up and vote the bums out. How many times will bad behavior be rewarded? | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 4090 Registered: 10-2003 |
Let's wait to hear all the evidence, but so far this is lining up as a slam dunk for Kwame. The snippet I heard of one of the accusing cops bawling on the witness stand, combined with his unfortunate past record of instability and not filing a complaint and medical record of paranoid instability makes him come off as a not very credible witness. Does anyone know if there a connection between the plaintiffs and the FireJerryO.com cops? | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 2583 Registered: 07-2004 |
" Medical record of paranoid instability"" .....is that supposed to be your take on hearing all the evidence Lowell?.....it looks as if you have already made up your mind..... "bawling cop"........nope, nothing inflammatory or biased coming from you Lowell. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 1250 Registered: 01-2006 |
There was another thread on this subject, a couple of days ago, and it seems to have disappeared. Hhmm. I wonder why. Just guessing, did the disappearance have anything to do with the inflammatory presumption-of-guilt comments aimed at our Mayor? I assume that my snarky comment about how much the word of a cop is worth did not play into the matter. Could we get an explanation, please? | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1937 Registered: 11-2003 |
This never happened during Albert Cobo's administration. | ||
Leland_palmer Member Username: Leland_palmer Post Number: 358 Registered: 08-2004 |
Where can I buy a "Law Suit" ? | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 2464 Registered: 11-2005 |
quote: Look up. It is linked at the top of this thread. | ||
Ffdfd Member Username: Ffdfd Post Number: 157 Registered: 09-2006 |
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070828/NEW S01/70828005 quote: quote: Since she puts such blind faith in anonymous letters, I might go tack one on her door saying I deserve a big fat raise. I can't believe that's the best story she could come up with. If her tale is true, however, and the administration really operates in this fashion, well, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence either. | ||
65memories Member Username: 65memories Post Number: 456 Registered: 10-2003 |
So let me get this straight...Christine Beatty gets a memo which is UNSIGNED and deems it credible, so much so that she acts on it and then "shreds" it because it is so sensitive? C'mon...really? | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 47 Registered: 07-2007 |
FireJerryO.com http://www.metrotimes.com/edit orial/story.asp?id=8617 John Bennett, the man the myth the uh, er, legend ex-cop creator of loving fan site of his ex boss. Jerry O. himself ordered him to take the site down. Bennett refused and was suspended without pay. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2004 |
You have to get rid of the paper trail. Makes for a good story. Kwame looked rather uncomfortable on the stand today. He's not used to answering questions under oath. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 155 Registered: 02-2007 |
Do you really think "under oath" means anything to Kwame? Seemed to me that the judge is showing some bias in this trial. He's not a very patient judge and wants to be golfing by 1PM. Also, three jurors were filmed today from WXYZ's steaming video coverage of the trial and I think that's a no no. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 893 Registered: 01-2005 |
Callaghan seems to think Brown's attorney is too slow. The Free Press called him "plodding." He seems thorough and prepared. Maybe the officers couldn't afford one of the big, mega-experienced trial lawyers that the Mayor can afford because we taxpayers are paying his tab. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2007 |
Brown's attorney needs to learn to phrase a sentence and talk without the "ahhhhhhhhhhhh's", he sounds ill-prepared and inept. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6415 Registered: 02-2004 |
Here's KING KWAME's testimony for Channel 4 news: DETROIT -- Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, clad in a blue suit and red tie took the stand Wednesday. Plaintiff Attorney Mike Stephani who represents former deputy Police Chief Gary Brown and former Kilpatrick security driver Officer Harold Nelthrope called the mayor as the key witness in his case. Brown and Nelthrope sued the mayor and the city for firing Brown as the head of Internal Affairs. They claim the mayor fired Brown because Brown wanted to investigate allegations Nelthrope filed with internal affairs. Those allegations included wrongdoing of the mayor's bodyguards and friends, officers Loronzo "Greg" Jones and Michael Martin on suspicion of padding overtime and driving under the influence with city-owned vehicles, rumors of the alleged wild Manoogian Mansion party and allegations of extra-marital affairs on Kilpatrick's part. Attorney Mike Stephani started the session by asking the mayor if his father's nick name is "killer" because he was a "lady killer." The mayor responded by saying the moniker "killer" came from his father's basketball prowess at Ferris State University. The questioning moved on with Stephani asking the mayor to answer yes and no to a series of questions and the mayor, known for his public speaking skills, could not answer yes or no. He wanted to give expanded answers and Stephani did not want them. Considerable squabbling ensued between Stephani, the mayor's attorney Sam McCargo and Judge Michael J. Callahan over how expanded the mayor's answers could go. The only substantive information elicited dealt with why the mayor un-appointed Brown as deputy chief in charge of internal affairs. The mayor testified he and his Chief of Staff Christine Beatty met regarding information she received in an alleged anonymous letter regarding outside investigations Brown was conducting. Beatty and then-Detroit Police Chief Jerry Oliver thought there were no further investigations into the Nelthrope allegations. The mayor said Brown "did not recognize the chain of command, it was not being followed." The mayor said while the city was in the middle of a Department of Justice investigation that could have led to a police department takeover, "the public accountability bureau [internal affairs] cannot be the place where people are doing other things." The mayor said he did not believe Brown was the proper officer to lead the department. Later the mayor said "Mr. Brown did some great things at internal affairs. He spent six weeks on an investigation looking into a fender bender and a flat tire with the best people in the unit." The mayor said he felt this was not the kind of work internal affairs should be doing with a 550-case backlog. Kilpatrick said the decision to remove Brown was his alone and that Beatty had no role. "This decision was my decision," he testified. "I did not terminate Mr. Brown. I did not fire Mr. Brown. I removed him from the position I appointed him, from an appointed position. I cannot fire Mr. Brown. I don't have the ability to do that under the charter of the city of Detroit's civil service requirements," the mayor said under questioning from a defense attorney. Nelthrope said he suffered for blowing the whistle on alleged misdeeds within Kilpatrick's security unit. "There were times when I didn't do or say the correct things. There were times when I did fall down on this job, but in this case what I'm sure of is that we made the right decision then and it's the right decision now," Kilpatrick testified Wednesday. "Our police department, our city and our administration is better because we went through this." Following a 30-month federal investigation, the city in 2003 pledged to make significant reforms in how it uses force, detains prisoners and questions witnesses. More testimony will continue Thursday at 8 a.m. Aug 22: Inside The Courtroom Of The Whistle-blower Case Local 4 News Takes You Into Thursday's Whistle-blower Trial Aug 23: Inside The Whistle-Blower Case Aug 24: Whistle-Blower Case Continues Nelthrope's Mental State Questioned In Whistleblower Trial Nelthrope Breaks Down In Court During Monday's Whistleblower Trial Mayor's Chief Of Staff Takes Heat In Tuesday's Whistleblower Trial It's time to recall the mayor. Copyright 2007 by ClickOnDetroit.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. | ||
Ferntruth Member Username: Ferntruth Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2006 |
"It's time to recall the mayor" Ain't never gonna happen..... |
