Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1270 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 9:55 am: | |
actually, demolition approval was never granted by the historic district commission for the madison lenox. they were circumvented by the city (cough, working for ilitch). thus, technically, it was done illegally. |
Quozl Member Username: Quozl
Post Number: 1443 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 9:58 am: | |
quote:Nobody is really surprised, right? I mean, once ol' Slumpmeister's face fell off, nobody still thought it was going to be restored, right? I was not surprised at all JL, but then again, not all people possess my highly efficient deductive reasoning. I laughed when I read this thread title on Saturday because the way I viewed the decay and neglect of the Livingston Mansion, Ole Slumpy died 15+ years ago, he just was not cremated yet. It is simply amazing that more people care about the demise of this old relic than the countless innocent victims of gunplay in Detroit. |
Margaret Member Username: Margaret
Post Number: 150 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
quote: When was the last time you were in Detroit? Pam, I was basing that comment on the ruins photo tour I took on this site. all of those old buildings...including J.L. Hudson's. and as I have said, my own beautiful childhood home ended up trashed and torn down. absolutely incredible, that! so, that's what I was referring to. |
Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws
Post Number: 50 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 1:28 pm: | |
"...simply amazing..." Sport ??? Is that you ?? So, Q...was it your highly effective deductive reasoning that led you to make that statement about what the posters on this thread care about or something else ? Just wonderin' |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 2639 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 1:34 pm: | |
quote:Pam, I was basing that comment on the ruins photo tour I took on this site. Look under Tour Detroit again. Lowell has added pictures of improvements. Or come back for a visit sometime and see for yourself. |
Quozl Member Username: Quozl
Post Number: 1451 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 1:36 pm: | |
No ragged, my dreadlocks were weaved too tight this morning. Sorta like a blonde moment, only better... |
Jelk Member Username: Jelk
Post Number: 4599 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 - 1:43 pm: | |
quote:shame on Detroit for wasting such a gorgeous old building. waste not want not, so watch out...RIP, Slumpy, and thanks, DetroitFunk. how do these things happen? I have a real interest in understanding, since my own childhood home, a beautiful house that was built in the 20s in the far east side, somehow ended up getting trashed and then torn down. this makes me sick! It's very simple actually you and your family moved away from your childhood home to a new house somewhere else. The metro Detroit population stagnated and the newer homes you and yours (and mine) moved to were more popular than the old homes you and yours (and mine) moved from. Cause meet effect. Effect this is cause. |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 902 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:24 pm: | |
It was inevitable. And while it is sad, it's for the best. A strange analogy, but it's like pulling the plug on a brain-dead loved one, ya know? Slumpy existed, but it was dead. There was no hope for it once it was moved. Better to let her go. Not to mention she was dragging down a relatively nice block in Brush Park. I'd like the owner shot, though. Who the hell was hired for this relocation? And why even bother to pay for such a move if you're not going to save the building - or at least give it a stable foundation? It could not have been cheap to move it. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 3996 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 6:51 pm: | |
How did the Red Cross acquire the property in the first place? Wasn't there anybody available to purchase and rehab it before the Red Cross? |
Kathinozarks Member Username: Kathinozarks
Post Number: 869 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 7:22 pm: | |
So, only one person called Chris C. claimed that he is the great grandson of Mr. Livingstone. It seems wierd that there are no living relatives who would have been interested. My children would know their great grandmother's home (if I had children), and her home was just a little brick bungalow on Eastburn (still looking good). Where did these people go? |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 3998 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 7:32 pm: | |
It seems as if plenty of Detroit's business founders and their families left the city or the area entirely. Maybe they didn't feel liked or wanted? The Great Depression made paupers out of many too. |
Cman710 Member Username: Cman710
Post Number: 371 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 10:17 pm: | |
Given that this house was so significant (and large), you would think that back when the house was moved, there were some pictures in the paper, or video clips from the local news. I wonder if anyone can turn any of that up. Since I am many miles away, I unfortunately cannot search for them. |
Gingellgirl Member Username: Gingellgirl
Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 9:35 am: | |
Lowell - What a beautiful painting of Slumpy! You brought tears to my eyes. Bravo! |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 2639 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 11:35 am: | |
WOW Lowell! That painting is fantastic! I am way impressed! |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 1963 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 12:56 pm: | |
My two paternal great grandparents lived in Wichita in the late 1800s. Thanks to city directories on line, I discovered their addresses in that city. Finally, in 1999, I drove to Wichita in hopes of seeing their homes. One location is a parking lot, the other is a condo complex c. 1970. Did find their gravesites, though, so not all was lost. |
Grosseile Member Username: Grosseile
Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:18 pm: | |
Lowell: Your painting of the Livingstone house is great!! Although the house has been demolished, your painting captures an earlier era and better time in Detroit. Beautiful job. |
Sturge Member Username: Sturge
Post Number: 111 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:20 pm: | |
What's the possibilities of someone building a replica of the place? Or would it just not be the same? |
Margaret Member Username: Margaret
Post Number: 168 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:35 pm: | |
Kudos to Lowell for a masterful job at capturing that house's essence. wonderful work! and thanks for sharing it, too. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 4006 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:42 pm: | |
Why not tear down the Red Cross buildings first and restore the house at its former location? |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10203 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:51 pm: | |
quote:What's the possibilities of someone building a replica of the place? Or would it just not be the same? That would be pretty amazing. I would hope that a replica would be a true replica and not a shell with a complete different inside. The obvious question would be cost. Anyone in the construction industry have a +/- 25% idea of how much it would cost. |
Patrick Member Username: Patrick
Post Number: 4953 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 3:13 pm: | |
There are only a handful of architects out there who could take on such a job. That being said, the Livingstone house would be much easier to replicate than let's say the Lem Bowen's Tudor style, which was lost prior to WW2. The front of Slumpy is where the majority of detailed work is located. That would be the trickiest part I suppose. |
Wagnis Member Username: Wagnis
Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 4:53 pm: | |
does anyone know what happened to the rubble? I'd like to have a piece of Old Slumpy. |
Catman_dude Member Username: Catman_dude
Post Number: 222 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 8:58 pm: | |
Quozl, he's probably gonna sell them on eBay! |
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell
Post Number: 4161 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 10:50 pm: | |
Thanks for the kind remarks for the painting. I hope you all can make it by for the opening on Saturday and see "Open House" in its full 4 x 6 foot splendor. I got a chunk of Slumpy the other day, a fist-size lump of the red sandstone from its crushed facade. I talked to to the driver of disposal truck and learned that Slumpy's final resting place is the Carleton Farms landfill -- famous dump site of Toronto's solid waste. |
Wagnis Member Username: Wagnis
Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:35 am: | |
yeah, if you can send me the guys address or email or whatever you have, i'd love to see if i can get a piece from him. I don't know if going to the Carleton Farms landfill will be fruitful, but it is an alternative. Where is it? And is there a real possibility of getting some nice chunks from there? |
Quozl Member Username: Quozl
Post Number: 1531 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:51 am: | |
Carleton Farms landfill is in southwestern Wayne County in Sumpter Township. Nice chunks - not certain, you may have to bribe the dude at the front gate to get in... |
Wagnis Member Username: Wagnis
Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:03 am: | |
oh, i was going to call and ask first. not a good idea? |
Drifterlee Member Username: Drifterlee
Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:09 am: | |
I feel bad I only discovered this forum AFTER I could not find Brush Park. I was downtown and could have come to the gallery show! Argh! |
Quozl Member Username: Quozl
Post Number: 1535 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:10 am: | |
Heck yeah I would call, might even just show up tomorrow morning early with some spending cabbage as an incentive for the gatekeeper. I have half a notion of going there myself in the AM looking for some Slumpy treasure... |
Wagnis Member Username: Wagnis
Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:16 am: | |
well, i'm on my way out the milan anyway, so it couldn't hurt to try. i just wonder how easy it is going to be to find anything, being that it's been a week, ya know. worth a try though. good luck!!! I hope you get something. and if you get a good pile, try to get a bunch, cause i'm sure more people like me would like a few pieces!! save some for me!! |
Quozl Member Username: Quozl
Post Number: 1537 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 1:20 am: | |
I intend on bringing some of my Honduran grunts to do my dirty work. If we salvage anything, I will save you some. |
Wagnis Member Username: Wagnis
Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 11:09 am: | |
thank you so much. i hope you have luck finding something!! |
Suuzq35 Member Username: Suuzq35
Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 11:41 am: | |
what is slumpy? the 8th dwarf? |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 2484 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 12:18 pm: | |
Suuzq35... Click on the "Slumpy is Dead" photo on the left and check out the links for details.... Then click on the "Slumpy Lives" photo below that.. And welcome to the Forum!! |
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765
Post Number: 1946 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2007 - 5:12 pm: | |
What do you guys think - did Slumpy become an even more photographed landmark than Ransom-Gillis ? I think it did. |
Wagnis Member Username: Wagnis
Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:31 pm: | |
quozl, did you go out to the landfill? i called there yesterday and the guy said i'd have no such luck finding anything. so i didn't bother. and i noticed that the post from the guy who said someone in harper woods took some stuff home, has been deleted. guess i'm not getting and pieces. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 1970 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:39 pm: | |
Would have been nice to have had a brick from old Slumpy. I have a brick from the Olympia, the old Stroh's Brewery on Gratiot, and the City Garage at 2650 E. Jefferson (worked there for six years). Nice souvenirs. |
Kathinozarks Member Username: Kathinozarks
Post Number: 886 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:46 pm: | |
I have a piece of limestone(?) from Rose Terrace in GP. Can people get a print of Lowell's beautiful rendition of Slumpy? Sorry if I should know, but don't. It's eerily beautiful. |
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765
Post Number: 1949 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 9:54 pm: | |
"the post from the guy who said someone in harper woods took some stuff home, has been deleted." It wasnt true. |
Corktown_paddy Member Username: Corktown_paddy
Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 1:42 pm: | |
Anyone have a video clip? |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 2709 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 2:41 pm: | |
"Would have been nice to have had a brick from old Slumpy. I have a brick from the Olympia, the old Stroh's Brewery on Gratiot" I've got a brick from Stroh's too Ray! Does yours also work great as a doorstop, like mine does? |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 1974 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 5:08 pm: | |
Right now the brick is kind of ballast for a small wheelbarrow the wife got as a planter. Wind kept blowing it over until I plopped the brick there....... |
Reddog289 Member Username: Reddog289
Post Number: 234 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 3:09 am: | |
hey it gives proof to the history channel show that was on monday night, let things sit or mess them up, they all fall down.as a teen my uncle took my through brush park said "on day if i have the cash i,ll get me house down here". |