Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2521 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:14 am: | |
Finally! http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEW S02/71024061&imw=Y It's the last massive undeveloped parcel of land along the I-275 corridor Schostak plans to turn it into a mixed retail, residential and commercial development... http://www.schostak.com/develo pments/images/Northville%20Aer ial.JPG http://www.schostak.com/develo pments/images/Northville%20Ren dering.JPG http://www.schostak.com/develo pments/images/Northville%20Mas ter%20Site%20Plan.JPG http://www.schostak.com/develo pments/images/Northville%20Sit e%20Plan.JPG |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3238 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:15 am: | |
That web site is really nice looking and easy to use, isn't it? |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 1857 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:20 am: | |
Think that they will allow mentally unstable people to live in any of those residential units? Maybe some sort of "sec. 8" for the mentally retarded? |
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone
Post Number: 152 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:30 am: | |
It looks like a beautiful plan. My question is: With the economy and the housing market the way they are, do you think this will happen anytime soon? There are so many homes on the market now, and so much empty office space, I find it hard to believe that this development will do well, at least in the foreseeable future. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2522 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:45 am: | |
^this development likely wouldn't be completed until 2010-2011...it's a big undertaking...Things should (hopefully)be somewhat back to normal by then... |
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone
Post Number: 153 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:55 am: | |
I hope so, Tj! What is the western boundary of that property? It doesn't show on the map and I'm not familiar with the area. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2523 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 9:59 am: | |
I believe it extends all the way to Northville road (Novi road if north of 8-mile) |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 3176 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:20 am: | |
nice to see they are preserving some of the green space |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1297 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:29 am: | |
jeez; take a look at the second rendering. how does that song go? "they paved paradise and put up a parking lot..." |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2524 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:42 am: | |
^kinda hard to have a development like this if the people who go there have nowhere to park their cars |
56packman Member Username: 56packman
Post Number: 1848 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:50 am: | |
You'd have to be crazy to live there! |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1299 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:52 am: | |
oh, that's ok then. let keep tearing down all of our natural areas so people can park in a development that is not needed. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2525 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:54 am: | |
if we limited ourselves to development that was needed, then we'd all be living in 8x8 shacks... It's always humorous to hear anti-development people act like they are concerned about farmland and "natural areas" |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3247 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:55 am: | |
What makes you think they aren't? |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1300 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 10:59 am: | |
ummm, have you been paying attention to the economy here in metro detroit? foreclosures at an all time high, malls being vacated while new one are being built, office vacancy at an all time high, people moving out of state because there aren't any jobs. this isn't an anti-development stance, it's common sense. don't you think that maybe we should correct some of these problems before tearing out irreplaceable things? why don't you think a little bit before getting condescending to people that don't share your opinion. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2526 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:04 am: | |
"What makes you think they aren't?" Because their primary concern is to make thing so people have no option other that to live in dense, urban areas...if we develop farm land, this reduces density...so, when they fail to succeed in convincing people that we SHOULD focus on developing urban areas, they instead flip to the other side of the coin and try to argue that their concern is that we SHOULDN'T develop farmland and natural areas... I'm not saying they are wrong for wanting density...I'm just saying they are completely full of shit (or at least that they over exaggerate)when they say they are concerned about farmland and trees |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3248 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:08 am: | |
Many people are genuinely concerned about overdevelopment of natural areas, especially in SE Michigan. There are some amateur urban planners on this forum, no doubt, but I wouldn't throw everybody into that category. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 483 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:15 am: | |
Get real guys. They aren't going to just tear down those hospital buildings and let it go green. The city wants tax revenue and it hasn't been farm land in a hell of a long time. By the way, Rocky's restaurant across the street (on 7 mile)is pretty good. |
Novine Member Username: Novine
Post Number: 190 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 11:38 am: | |
Actually, I don't think the township (Northville Township, not city) is all that hyped about the supposed benefits. They fought long and hard to limit the amount of development, in part because of the impacts on the Township, perceived negative impact on downtown Northville and impact on natural resources. From the Township's view, I don't think they think they NEED this development like some other communities do. Will it give them some additional revenues? Sure but they are also probably concerned about the costs that are going to be generated. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 485 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 5:04 pm: | |
There has been an environmental problem that is one of the sticking points to. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1400 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 5:23 pm: | |
quote:It's the last massive undeveloped parcel of land along the I-275 corridor You say this like removing it would be a success. Look, I'm as much for density as the next guy (and in fact, strictly adhering to that would dictate that I support developing this parcel, because it's already surrounded by development), but it's strange to see someone proud of removing the last vestige of nature in the area. Unfortunately, the undeveloped portion is the one with the highest value--not the part containing the hospital. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10595 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 6:29 pm: | |
quote:I'm not saying they are wrong for wanting density...I'm just saying they are completely full of shit (or at least that they over exaggerate)when they say they are concerned about farmland and trees Once again tj with his in depth knowledge of what everyone thinks. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 489 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:13 pm: | |
If the township was so concerned about not developing stuff, they never would have allowed those condos off Haggerty Road just south of Six Mile Road. They can't seem to sell them and prices have dropped like a rock. Plus, who would want to be that close to an intersection that is so heavily travelled? A money grab gone bad. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1404 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:56 pm: | |
On another note, 7 Mile and Haggerty are much less heavily-trafficked than I thought. Why is that intersection always such a pain? Traffic counts are quite low. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 492 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:12 pm: | |
Schoolcraft College is just down the street, the Home Depot is on the corner and the Movie complex is just down th block. You also have a Meijers, Cosco, Target etc. plus a ton of restaurants all located along Haggerty Road. Thrown in people getting off work in rush hours and that might answer your question. The 272 freeway is also close by. The funny thing is that from 8pm to 6am things are almost dead along there. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2532 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:51 pm: | |
"Once again tj with his in depth knowledge of what everyone thinks." Jt1: You're the only one on the board who has trouble grasping the concept of a generalization. You always seem to point out that I'm generalizing as if it somehow rebuts my point, but you need to stop and ask yourself why it is that you're the only one who thinks so. A generalization applies to the group as a whole, and not necessarily to every individual member within the group. Let me try to illustrate for you... For example, I might say that the Detroit Lions have sucked for the past 20 years...now, that statement does not attribute anything to each individual player within that group...they've had some great players over that time period, yes? You with me? But the statement does apply to the group AS A WHOLE...good? yes? So, in the future, please remember this post whenever you see someone make a generalization about a group of people so that you might join in on the conversation on the same level as the rest of us... good luck... |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2003 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:53 pm: | |
^The Detroit Lions is a single entity. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2533 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:57 pm: | |
"The Detroit Lions is a single entity." Grammatically speaking, you are correct. The problem is, you sound like a high school dropout when you say, "The Detroit Lions has sucked for the past 20 years". |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2004 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 2:28 pm: | |
The problem is, you sound like a high school dropout when you say, "The Detroit Lions has sucked for the past 20 years". The more important point to take away is that as a single entity, you would be speaking specifically about said entity's performance. A generalization would be to say NFC teams have sucked for the past 20 years. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2535 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 2:47 pm: | |
Fair enough, but I could just as easily have said that Detroit's professional football players have done poorly in the NFL over the past 20 years and everyone would understand that this statement is a generalization that that applies to the successes of the group as a whole and does not go to the individual abilities of players like Sanders, Moore, Spielman, etc. Further, my original statement is actually correct if the reader reads it as as the Detroit Lions (plural, as in not just one Detroit Lion, but more than one, or all) have sucked, rather than The Detroit Lions Football Organization (singular) has sucked (Message edited by thejesus on October 26, 2007) |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10601 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 4:32 pm: | |
tj - I understand what a generalization is. You however seem unable to grasp the fact that one has to have some knowledge of a subject to generalize. An internet forum and conversations with a few downtown residents is not enough information to generalize. Generalizing implies some level of knowledge which you completely lack. Now using your example let's say that the Lions have sucked for 20 years but you have seen one game. Speaking like an expert on the subject just makes you look foolish. Remember that when you post in the future. Your posts illustrate the depths of your knowledge of what 'Detroiters' think and where you get your impressions. My apologies if your lack of interaction with anyone beyond downtown and a forum is an issue with you. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10602 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 4:34 pm: | |
One more point to consider. DO you realize how pyocritical you look when you get all pissy about people generalizing Livonia as racist for what a few have said? Your depth of knowledge on Detroiters is no different than many on the thoughts of Livonia residents. Continue to be a hypocrite if you will. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2536 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 4:45 pm: | |
I like how you feel that its unfair for other posters to generalize but its not a problem for you to treat your false assumptions as if they were fact. P.S. Detroiters are violent : o |
Novine Member Username: Novine
Post Number: 194 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 4:56 pm: | |
How could we so soon forget the Wayne Fontes years? Ah, the glory days of Lions Football. |
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess
Post Number: 514 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 1:52 am: | |
There is no truth to the rumor that Wayne Fontes spent any post-retirement time in Northville Psych |
Renfirst Member Username: Renfirst
Post Number: 68 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 8:43 pm: | |
LOL. We used to have our offices in the Seven Miles Crossing building inbetween 275 and Haggarty. With the mortgage meltdown, we saw a lot of office space empty out (Option One, Decision One, First Horizon, and some others had office space there and they've all left). We ended up moving to Farmington ourselves because the location was getting to be a problem. The traffice on Haggarty between 6 and 8 mile can be terribly frustrating. I'm sure this development will add to it. Those office spaces would sit empty for years. It's just unbelievable how pointless this kind of development really is. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2539 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 8:49 pm: | |
^I agree...kind of a pointless location for office buildings...the only good thing is the Andiamo's that just opened in the parking lot... |
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765
Post Number: 2012 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 9:16 pm: | |
"What is the western boundary of that property?" State Police station and a radio tower. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2540 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 10:35 pm: | |
"State Police station and a radio tower." If you look at the fist image, it looks like the property extends behing the police station all the way to Northville road |
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess
Post Number: 515 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 11:40 pm: | |
Strictly speaking, the western-most boundary would abut the railroad tracks slightly to the east of, and roughly parallel to Northville Road. |
Renfirst Member Username: Renfirst
Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:03 am: | |
thejesus ... they're opening an Andiamo's on 7 and Haggarty? That location is cursed. Hope it does well. |
Novine Member Username: Novine
Post Number: 197 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:49 am: | |
If I recall, Beaumont is already committed to the medical office portion of the development. On the other hand, in the aerial, you can see that there's still undeveloped land in the Victor Corporate Park across 275 in Livonia. Makes you wonder how strong the market is for a lot of additional office? There's similar vacant property fronting on Haggerty in Novi just north of 8 Mile. Doesn't sound like there's a lot of demand for a lot of new office space. But I could see some users being attracted to the "downtown" concept that the developer is pitching. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10603 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 11:34 am: | |
quote:I like how you feel that its unfair for other posters to generalize but its not a problem for you to treat your false assumptions as if they were fact. Hello pot. |
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840
Post Number: 506 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 4:19 pm: | |
Where did the mental patients go when they closed that hospital? |
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess
Post Number: 516 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 5:32 pm: | |
quote:Where did the mental patients go when they closed that hospital? DetroitYES>>Non-Detroit Issues |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2541 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 5:57 pm: | |
"thejesus ... they're opening an Andiamo's on 7 and Haggarty? That location is cursed. Hope it does well." It opened last week. We just went yesterday. They did a really, really nice job remodeling the outside (new paint, lots of lighting) and decorating the inside (really nice dinner atmosphere). One of the problems with that building was that it was not visible from 7 Mile road, but the first thing Andiamo did was remove all the trees and brush that obstructed the view, so now anyone getting off of I-275 at 7 Mile can't miss it... |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10604 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 8:44 pm: | |
Andiamo carries enough name recognition now that people will seek it out. Ceretainly gives them an advantage over a new one of a kind place that may open there. |