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| | Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 7:54 pm: |    |
Masterblaster, the reason that you think people have been so rude to CPU is because you haven't seen all of his posts that the moderators have removed.
Maybe if you did, you would understand the harshness of some of the responses. I don't know why CPU was having a meltdown, because many of his posts in the past weren't bad or inflammatory.
When there's a feeding frenzy on the Detroit Issues forum, it's usually for a good reason... although we all have our moments!  |
Queensfinest
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Post Number: 140
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 3:56 am: | |
wazootyman, are you alright, or just from michigan? you've posted a few articles about the renaissance of the auto industry? and a few other threads that mention the creation of maybe 5,000 jobs in total?
what will it take for you people to adapt?
meanwhile, 50-78,000 people between the ages of 23 and 29 are leaving the state every year or two according to brookings...
1,000 jobs gained per year, while 100,000 vanish. nice job. |
Queensfinest
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Post Number: 145
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 4:20 am: | |
by the way, the rendering isn't exactly groundbreaking. it's quite ordinary compared to what is being built in most developing countries...
i'm in nyc and i'm constantly dissapointed by the backwards shit built here, but i must tell you, this is just another shitty queens or staten isle type condo to us here. really nothing to get excited about. jesus... |
Wazootyman
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 7:17 am: | |
Yes, I'm from Michigan, and proud of it. Unlike you, I live here, and have a genuine interest in seeing Detroit succeed. What's with the forum trolls around here lately? I'm attempting to inject some positive news into the discussion, as should have been blatantly obvious.
This is hardly a comprehensive list of all jobs gained - for example, a few hires each by 1,000 high-tech companies won't make the papers. Does it make up for the manufacturing jobs lost? Probably not, but it's still a sign of progress.
If you took the time to read any of the articles, you'd understand that the economy is adapting, but the automotive industry is and will continue to be a major factor. The influx of Asian suppliers and R&D centers, for one thing, says a lot about the future of the area.
I've never found the architecture of NYC to be that inspiring. Then again, I never realized that you could see Detroit so clearly from Queens. |
Cavanagh
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 8:17 am: | |
It's pretty unfair to write this off as simply "another shitty Queens or Staten Island type condo".
It seems that a lot of people are missing the forest from the trees here. Among other things, this project brings downtown more density at its core in terms of both the building and people.
Investors outside of Michigan are bringing this project to us. Believe me; the intention isn't because they want to do something out of the good of their hearts. They see an opportunity to realize a profit on an investment--Something a lot of people in Michigan either lack the foresight or the capital to do.
As far as the design of the building, it’s creating a stir. Whether you like it or not, there is finally something being built that is drawing emotion.
If anything, I don't think the project is getting nearly the coverage it deserves. A case can be made that a development like this already exists in many major cities--however while Detroit has lagged behind for so many years due to a myriad of problems, its hard to argue against finally having this opportunity. The design is controversial, a national retailer will be located downtown, there is demand for investing in Detroit. This is an exciting development and so much more meaningful than just a "condo." |
Mackinaw
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 11:48 am: | |
Cavanagh hits on all the important points in his/her post. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 12:35 pm: | |
I've been to Queens... and I have to agree with Queensfinest... they do build a lot of crap there...
But this thread is about Detroit... and Detroit architecture... not BF Egypt...
(Message edited by Gistok on January 11, 2008) |
Cavanagh
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 1:26 pm: | |
He. . . but thanks Mackinaw |
Civilprotectionunit4346
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 2:44 pm: | |
NYC architecture is great, I lived in the NYC metropolitan area most my life. Sorry about the grumpy post's. I am just kinda fed up with my job here at onstar. They just put a cap on how far we can go up in pay raises & now I am trying to find a new job with better salary and bennies. I really didn't mean to take it out on everone...I was griping. Im just saddened on how the area used to be and how it has gotten to it's current state. If that was NYC it wouldn't have gotten to a point like that. |
Mackinaw
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 3:24 pm: | |
Apology accepted. Please compartmentalize things a little better in the future. Good luck. |
Umcs
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 3:35 pm: | |
Queensfinest sure is a swell person brimming with smiles and sunshine. Glad he/she keeps that sunshine all locked up in Queens for those friendly New Yorkers.
CivProUnit, I understand what you're saying about Detroit but don't forget the Bronx, Queens, and Hell's Kitchen in the 70's and 80's.
Detroit isn't a slice of heaven but it is what it is and at least deserves some modicum of respect for what it was at one time and where many people honestly want to see it go. It's not like everyone likes the current status quo. I also understand that some days around here are just darn depressing.
Sorry to hear about the stagnation at OnStar. I really hope this is a blip in the road for you but you know the old saying about Michigan being the canary in the coal mine. |
Civilprotectionunit4346
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 3:37 pm: | |
One building that would probably fair well from some architechture designer would be MCS. Me and some friends discussed that building. It would make a great hotel/casino. We also said they should make MCS a hotel & the casino could be the book depository building next door. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 6:11 pm: | |
I thought something was amiss CPU4346... your previous postings always seemed fine. We all have our bad days!  |
Civilprotectionunit4346
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 7:57 pm: | |
Ughhh queens...had to drive thru that. Never again will I. Manhattan is great. |
Jeduncan
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| | Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 9:46 pm: | |
I personally think a downtown Target would be awesome. It'd bring in a place to buy everything. making groceries (to an extent) clothing, softlines, and other stuff currently miles away from downtown accessible to people living down there, and it could give some of the vacant lofts/apartments a selling tool.
Just my opinion. I know I know, it's a corporate monster selling Chinese stuff. But whatever. |
401don
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 9:03 am: | |
I agree a store like Target that fills everyday needs from housewares to electronics has the best chance. It appeals to all demographics that will shop downtown. A traditional store like Hudson's had a nightmare trying to read the changing demographics in its clothing lines while shrinking the floor space during its last days. |
Civilprotectionunit4346
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 9:57 am: | |
They need a chinese buffet! |
401don
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 10:12 am: | |
Civil:
We already decided we want a Chinese rest. in the Ernst & YOung building so we don't have to wait that long! |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 1:31 pm: | |
Hmmmm I bet a Target in Cadillac Centre will get a lot of Canadian shoppers (with their high valued Canadian dollar) who don't want to make a pilgrimage out to the burbs. |
Mackinaw
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 2:19 pm: | |
Their savings would need to exceed the tunnel fare to even consider it. Considering the fact that this would end up being a toss-up and parking might not be too convenient, the only way this would happen is if they viewed Detroit as a tourist-type outing where they could get some enjoyment out of visiting a downtown that is much better than theirs and doing some shopping. But I guess this is how all downtown shopping works...people need to view it as an experience for it to be successful. |
Eric
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 3:08 pm: | |
quote:I agree a store like Target that fills everyday needs from housewares to electronics has the best chance. It appeals to all demographics that will shop downtown. A traditional store like Hudson's had a nightmare trying to read the changing demographics in its clothing lines while shrinking the floor space during its last days
Target definitely would be an ideal anchor for the project. Traditional department stores need healthier downtowns than what we have to survive. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:13 pm: | |
I'll bet that some of those 800 parking spaces that are part of the Cadillac Centre will be dedicated to shoppers at the center's stores... via parking validation.
It would be a tough go for the stores otherwise. |
Detroitrise
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:20 pm: | |
Target will be the tipping point for retail in DD. If a downtown Target was profitable, Wally's World and/or Kmart/Meijer would pounce on it like a Lion and Deer in the jungle. Following them would be the Fast Food restaurants and actual Grocers. |
Spiritofdetroit
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:22 pm: | |
you have a strange capitalization pattern, urbanize. |
Detroitrise
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 4:25 pm: | |
I don't believe that Urbanize character posted anything on this thread Spiritofdetroit.
You need to re-read the posts. |
Livernoisyard
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 2:57 pm: | |
Yup! I agree.
That Urbanize is quite the character. |
Talleman1
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 9:01 pm: | |
OMG it is ugly, please do not let it be built is the city so desperate to let this kind of space ship architecture to land in downtown. It is bad enough they built that green thing on the old city hall site. Who allows this, who likes it. Yeah there needs to be shopping downtown but please, please not this. Modern needs to be next to modern. Ok that is my say. |
Broken_main
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 9:41 pm: | |
Everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinion. I think this building is quite different AND links us to what the future holds. I think being Detroiters, we are just accustomed to the brick and mortar type building(with the exception of the RenCen). I think the artists rendering is definitely off scale and the finished product will be very well liked, even for all you naysayers. |
Bits
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 11:43 pm: | |
I don't think anyone would like a Target on that site. Targets have/need no windows! It would be a waste of a site with great views to put a big box that needs no views dead center in the middle of the city.
I think the Target was put there by the student who did the rendering. |
Eric
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:29 am: | |
Well, I guess you should write them because someone screwed up by putting windows in the stores below. You do realize that big box retailers design stores to fit in an urban setting and that Target is especially noted for this?
http://www.newurbannews.com/im ages/TargetInsideOct05.jpg
http://www.phototour.minneapol is.mn.us/pics/2056.jpg |
Wirt
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 10:02 am: | |
Value Enhancement |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 10:22 am: | |
haha! |
Ericsprague
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 5:16 pm: | |
http://www.modeldmedia.com/fea tures/caddy12608.aspx |
Bits
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 5:18 pm: | |
I'm all for urban stores like target coming into Detroit. Given Target is the descendent of the Dayton Hudson company it would even be like a homecoming.
Just seems like an odd site to build a big box with fake windows to look urban on the most urban site we have downtown. |
Elwoodp
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 10:18 pm: | |
Traditional big box retail in an urban setting can blend in with its surroundings. One such example is the Home Depot in Lincoln Park, Chicago (2665 N. Halsted). The footprint is much smaller than a typical Home Depot, as you might expect, but the second story helps make up for loss floor space. Large cargo elevators are used to move merchandise between floors. Truck deliveries are made via a cargo bay that runs through the store. |
Timeless
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:41 pm: | |
Does this mean they are tearing down Pulse and the other businesses in that row? Maybe I'm missing something... |
Detroithabitater
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| | Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:44 pm: | |
Not that far back Timeless. The entire area is currently a parking lot. |
Mackinaw
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 12:15 am: | |
No tear-down required for this project, only build-up. Cheers to that. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 12:28 am: | |
OK... this is a 2 acre site. And the project includes:
84 Apartments
30,000 sq. ft. market
100,000 sq. ft. major retail space
25,000 sq. ft. boutiques & specialty shops
14,400 sq. ft. health club & spa
40,000 sq. ft. park (indoor?) with water features
22,000 sq. ft. "living roof"
800 parking spaces
Existing 40 story Cadillac Tower (offices)
Let's not jump to conclusions about the Target store having fake windows facing Campus Martius... until we see the floor plan and final design details... hell we don't even know for sure it's going to be a Target!
(Message edited by Gistok on January 15, 2008) |
Beantown
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 5:17 pm: | |
The aerial rendering from that Model D article is IMO the best rendering to date for getting a perspective of the complex in relation to other Campus Martius buildings.
Looks better and much less goofy or out of place from that perspective. It will be a wonderful addition... |
El_jimbo
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 5:31 pm: | |
The only thing that I'm not sure I like about the proposal is the 40,000 sq ft of park. I mean it is right off of Campus Martius, does it really need any more park space? |
Chris_rohn
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 8:37 am: | |
The roof is a green roof, this may be the park they are talking about. |
Dnvn522
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 1:08 pm: | |
I still think it looks better then the cheese-grater. |
D_mcc
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 1:10 pm: | |
Whatever happened to the development that was taking place in the Vinton Building? |
Beantown
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 3:39 pm: | |
I believe that this was the latest Vinton Building thread:
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/107211/112999.html
Let's keep the Vinton discussion there... |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 3:50 pm: | |
... well that would work if that 1 day thread were still open... but it's not! |
D_mcc
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 4:28 pm: | |
Didn't realize it was a sore subject Beantown... |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 9:41 am: | |
So I was driving down I-696 near Gratiot yesterday, when suddenly it hit me...
I just KNEW I'd seen this design somewhere before...
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Gistok
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| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 1:25 pm: | |
Actually that sign predates the National Coney Island Restaurant by many decades. They tore down the old Susie-Q Restaurant (with matching striped metal facade) many years ago, but kept the old sign tower.
Wasn't there one on Woodward as well, at one time? |
Greatlakes
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 4:38 am: | |
Well, at least we didn't get this:
http://www.hamilton-anderson.com/es/night.html |
Mwilbert
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 5:40 am: | |
There was a Susie-Q on Woodward, on the east side of the street. I don't remember how far north it was, but probably in Royal Oak. |
Rb336
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 10:24 am: | |
i think it is still there |
Warrenite84
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 5:52 pm: | |
I believe it WAS north of the Shrine of the Little Flower on the East side. Alas, it has been gone 10+ years, I think. |
French777
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 9:33 am: | |
any new info on this project? |
Sean_of_detroit
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 12:28 am: | |
No, but it seems that they announced this way before construction was set to start. Those types are always questionable I think. Plus, the economy probably isn't helping. |
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