  Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 4418 Registered: 02-2007 |
was there anything new with the conference this morning other than the city approving it? | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 444 Registered: 06-2007 |
thanks Chris_rohn..but I think we need like 4 more of them downtown. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6098 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hey Kid... maybe your boss (Dan Gilbert) can provide 1... 2 or 3 more...  OK... the analogy with Rockefeller Center... what does it have... it's a mixed use development with entertainments (Radio City Music Hall)... AND it has a large skating rink out front with the official NYC Christmas tree... sound familiar? That's what this development will have, although the rink and official Detroit Christmas tree out front are Campus Martius Park! | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 201 Registered: 11-2007 |
Make that a tiny skating rink . . . ala Rockefeller Center | ||
Cgunn Member Username: Cgunn Post Number: 157 Registered: 01-2004 |
There was mention of Cadillac Centre in USA Today | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 1174 Registered: 10-2003 |
Couldn't find it in a search | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 4307 Registered: 02-2005 |
The more this settles in the less crazy the design feels. What we have are pretty standard streetwalls paralleling Monroe and Cadillac with a normal setback and no real interruptions of that wall. Rising up above this are irregular towers that should look awfully cool upon completion. I think the renderings downplay how tall this will actually appear from CMP. 24 stories is not inconsequential...that's 8 higher than Compuware, and should be somewhere between 85 and 110 meters (Compuware is 71). There can be wide variation based on ceiling height etc. For instance, the Dime Building is 23 stories and 99m; 1001 Woodward is 23 stories and, surprisingly, 4m taller. Millender is 33 stories and 101m, while the RenCen sub-towers are 21 stories and 103m. The thing that I have to look at to remind me of the height is Tower Plaza, the tallest building in Ann Arbor, at 26 floors and 81m (likely smaller than Cadillac Ctr.). The lesson is, this building will have a major presence with its eye-catching glass towers at that height, plus it will have some girth on that large block. It will be visible on the skyline from the east and north. And, study the layout of the Monroe Block and the renderings...the two towers will kind of wrap around the Cadillac Tower, one centered on Monroe, one on the Square. That will have a really cool effect, with Cadillac Tower like a mountain peak in the background. I'm just wondering how much of a plaza there will be on the part facing CMP. I know the irregularity of the site lends itself to cutting off that corner and making it a plaza, but I hope they minimize the setback on that part of the plot to pull this right up to CMP, and not have the overkill sidewalk like with the Compuware building. Let's also not forget the consequences this will have for Cadillac Tower. Apparently it has not been talked about in detail yet, but we can expect some type of renovation. The advertisement will also be gone, which is refreshing, considering that most downtowns are going in the other direction. I saw a picture of Trump Tower NY yesterday and at the street level, instead of a traditional storefront, there's a 2-3 story Gucci advertisement. | ||
Wpitonya Member Username: Wpitonya Post Number: 55 Registered: 08-2005 |
That Gucci advertisement is just during the renovation of that space into a 3 story Gucci store. I just walked by there yesterday | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 579 Registered: 06-2007 |
How about spending that money on fixing the states budget or spending it on more projects for the detroit area. Like spending it on projects that clean up alot of these neighborhoods with all the vacant & burnt out homes. | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 446 Registered: 06-2007 |
Oye vay. CPU4346, I kind of missed reading your daily brilliance. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 4308 Registered: 02-2005 |
Thanks for clearing that up, Wpitonya. I should hope so. Civilprotection...why should a NYC developer use his $ to fix the Michigan budget and "clean up" neighborhoods? This isn't a centrally planned economy...money is being thrown at this one particular site by one particular company and their lenders. | ||
Mortgageking Member Username: Mortgageking Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2006 |
Civilprotection Unit: How about you spend your own money cleaning up "alot of these neighborhoods" and allow private companies to do what they wish with their own money? (Message edited by mortgageking on January 09, 2008) | ||
Mortgageking Member Username: Mortgageking Post Number: 23 Registered: 12-2006 |
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I know you are, but what am I? | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 447 Registered: 06-2007 |
Keep writing your posts CPU. Please, don't stop. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 11160 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: How so. This is a project potentially being done by a private company. How would $1 of the project go to neighborhoods or anything else? | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 1070 Registered: 11-2004 |
You're the one expecting a private company to fix the states budget and we're the morons? What is the company supposed to do cut the state a check? | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 1590 Registered: 02-2006 |
quote: What state? New York? The State of Michigan isn't paying for this building. Nor is the City of Detroit. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 11161 Registered: 10-2003 |
CPU - Why take the cowardly way out. Please explain your stance that it is stupid to be happy that a private company iw willing to invest in the city. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 2497 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote: Yeah. That would work well. Detroit couldn't even keep 1 upscale Asian restaurant open, and you are thinking along the lines of the Time Warner Center? I am sure that the Mr. Keller and Masa Takayama are chomping at the bit to open up a Restaurant in Cadillac Centre... And there is more retail there than in pretty much the entire Detroit CBD. There are no similarities - in scale, in scope, in size, or in substance. | ||
Boynamedsue Member Username: Boynamedsue Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2005 |
CPU- Keep writing... you are sounding smarter and smarter with each post. "Never mind...y'all are just to stupid" You mean, we are all TOO stupid??? Learn some logic and proper english before you post again. | ||
Boynamedsue Member Username: Boynamedsue Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2005 |
CPU, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. | ||
Rbdetsport Member Username: Rbdetsport Post Number: 440 Registered: 11-2005 |
HAHA! Billy Madison! | ||
Greatlakes Member Username: Greatlakes Post Number: 118 Registered: 07-2007 |
New details from the Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080110/B IZ/801100350 quote: (Message edited by GreatLakes on January 10, 2008) | ||
Greatlakes Member Username: Greatlakes Post Number: 119 Registered: 07-2007 |
Also, for those curious, the USA Today blurb is here: http://www.usatoday.com/news/s tates/mimain.htm Nothing new. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6106 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks for the posts Greatlakes... must have missed the brawl... | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6953 Registered: 02-2004 |
The building design for the new glass covered skyscraper is ugly! They can do better than that. | ||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 979 Registered: 03-2006 |
That is not a big space, and the pic in the free press puts into perspective for me how it fits. Its not as big as I had first thought. It is strange looking, but I can see where this might fit in nicely. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6957 Registered: 02-2004 |
It's ugly. That building looks like a reject from the Guggenheim Museum in New York City. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 583 Registered: 06-2007 |
Whats really amazing is how mostly everyone on this forum is so full of themselves. Just keep telling yourself and everyone that posts here that economy is going to get better and that the big 3 will bring jobs back. This mess has been going on for over 20 years. What makes you think those big 3 will do anything to fix anything. Or any of your corrupt politcal figures will fix or straighten out the states problems. Most people on this forum sicken me. Why be so full of yourselves. Face it this state and city will never see a big boom again. If it does it probably won't be in our lifetime. Before you start sending complaints that I curse to the main people who run this forum, take a step back and look at yourselves and see it from my perspective. Or are you that to much into one's self that you can't see the forrest for the trees. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 494 Registered: 12-2006 |
CPU, why stick around then? If you are so certain that things are so bad and won't get better why are you here? Only an idiot would stay someplace that they don't like and don't think will get better. |
