  Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 459 Registered: 02-2007 |
On Flashpoint today, regarding the KK scandal, you said a number of times "You don't right a wrong with a wrong". No one on the panel asked you exactly what you meant. If you read this, please post an answer. If anyone can shed some light on this quote, please enlighten me, because her statement left me totally in the dark! | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3662 Registered: 06-2004 |
I think what she was referring to, and Beckmann called her on it, is the contention that leaking to the Freep was a wrongdoing on someone's part. Note, though, that she didn't deny anything about the Mayor's behavior and actually, with her statement, admitted he was wrong. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1468 Registered: 06-2005 |
Is Frankie D a forumer here? | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 460 Registered: 02-2007 |
Lilpup, maybe that was her meaning, however, what is the "other" wrong? If she feels the Freep was wrong informing the public of the secret deal, that's one wrong she is speaking of. What is the other wrong she's speaking of? Yes, her statement definitely showed she felt the mayor was wrong, but I get the feeling she thinks it would be wrong to charge him with perjury. I know she is his friend, but she is blinded by some loyalty to him. The cost of this scandal isn't just the 9+ million dollars any longer, the deal with the Conference of Black Mayors would have generated millions back to the City. If I were a taxpayer I would be mortified, humiliated by his behavior and enraged. As a resident of Michigan, I am angry that this man has put the State of Michigan is such a position of embarrassment. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3663 Registered: 06-2004 |
I took it to mean a wrong on the part of the Mayor, followed by a wrong on the part of the leaker to the Freep and/or the Freep. | ||
Chuckles Member Username: Chuckles Post Number: 201 Registered: 02-2007 |
LilPup said it right in his post.... when he says that she actually admits he is wrong by admitting that one wrong does not pardon the other wrong. I was impressed that she and the others all admitted that the whole ball of wax is now in the WCP's hands....IMO, it always has been. regards | ||
Chuckles Member Username: Chuckles Post Number: 202 Registered: 02-2007 |
I think WCP has delayed making a decision because she does not want to come out directly against Kwame, she wants to be after the fact ...she is gutless annnd playing politics, for her its not about right or wrong its about how her decision will affect her career... regards | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1474 Registered: 06-2005 |
Chuckles, What would you do if you were in Kim Worthy's shoes? Yes, it is her job to do what is right. Unless you are in Ms. Worthy's office. I certainly believe that this is probably one of those career making decisions on her part, but over everything she has to have all of the facts before she can make any decision. Who is to say that she has gather all of the facts or not. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 461 Registered: 02-2007 |
Do you feel that it was wrong for the Freep and News to put the material out for the public (no matter who leaked it)? A confidentiality agreement between "private" parties is one thing, but when it comes to public money, nothing is sacred, it should be available to anyone whose tax money is being used to complete a deal. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3664 Registered: 06-2004 |
No, it wasn't wrong at all as long as they've done everything legally on their end. That's why there's supposed to be a free and independent press in the US. If they haven't been on the up and up then there's legal recourse for that, too. It's rather tell-tale that KK has been purely on the defensive here. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1477 Registered: 06-2005 |
Buyamerican...I think it was wrong for the Free Press to publish the information. I have worked for both(in my youth) and have learned that scandal sells newspapers. Free Press atty H Fink is the chief instigator of this entire scandal. They keep saying that the public wants to know and has a right to know. In effect, they too are responsible for keeping Detroit's eye black. But as long as they sell those papers, everything will be fine. Former free press subscriber (Message edited by broken_main on March 02, 2008) | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1706 Registered: 09-2007 |
"Is Frankie D a forumer here?" Broken Main: http://www.mix923fm.com/pages/ frankiedarcell.html People, Frankie has been riding Kwame's back since 2000, so don't be surprised at all. Just ignore her and move on. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 654 Registered: 05-2004 |
Yeah, let's just be quiet while Kwame continues to rape the city blind. The city's finances are in the dumper and he's costing the taxpayers millions through incompetence and arrogance. The newspapers have an obligation to point out bad behavior by public officials. Thank god they had the balls to take Kwame on when no one else did or could. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3666 Registered: 06-2004 |
Of course scandal sells newspapers, because the public wants to know, and has the right to know, if there is wrongdoing by public officials. If this were only about KK boinking CB without any cost to the city or abuse of power it wouldn't have the legs it does. | ||
Thames Member Username: Thames Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2007 |
Blame the messenger. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6390 Registered: 08-2004 |
Exactly Thames... Broken_main... what are you talking about? Kwame Kilpatrick is the chief instigator here... not the newspapers... I can't believe you're blaming them! Don't you care how your tax money is spent? | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2780 Registered: 04-2006 |
Frankie Darcell has always been an ardent supporter of Kilpatrick. In light of the scandal, I personally expected her to take a more lowkey role in discussing the situation. As such a steadfast supporter of his in the past, not only has his credibility disintegrated, but Darcell's own credibility is compromised in light of her radio audience. Even though I completely disagreed with her support of Kwame Kilpatrick during his re-election campaign, I still respected her as a person of integrity. It boggles my mind that she would compromise herself to come out in his defense for actions that are indefensible. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3668 Registered: 06-2004 |
The questions on her page are such a joke - which is of greater priority - crime or the scandal? unemployment or the scandal? Well here are some questions back to ya: How many more police officers could have been patrolling the streets with that settlement money? How many people could have been given jobs with that settlement money? How many police cars, ambulances, fire trucks, fire hydrants could have been purchased or repaired with that settlement money? How many Detroiters could potentially die because the Mayor tried to hide his affair? Or is he hiding more? Is that why you, a friend of Carlita's, want this to go away so badly? | ||
Detroits_own Member Username: Detroits_own Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2004 |
If Kim Worthy is making this decision based on whats good for her career then there is only one decision...prosecute. Any support Kwame is in the city and split at best, I'd venture a guess that there is almost zero support for him the suburbs of wayne county. Kwame detractors are going to vastly outnumber his supporters. No prosecution, no re-election. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 657 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 462 Registered: 02-2007 |
I disagree with you broken_main. H Fink, the newspaper's attorney wasn't the one who instigated the investigation, the papers were. Mr. Fink is only their legal advisor, and in that capacity, he acted. The public DOES have a right to know where its hard earned money goes, after all, it's not going towards anything constructive in Detroit like police or fire protection, public lighting or EMS. If someone working for the State was caught with their hand in the till, I'd be the first one at the State Capitols door demanding answers, as Detroiters should be at the City County bldg. KK seems to feel that the City is his own personal ATM machine and he can tap into the funds whenever and for whatever. Every penney that the City spends should be accounted for. Already, the Council has found a number of items costing $24,999.99, just under the $25,000.00 spending limit that requires Council approval. Is that a coincidence? Just like the Red Navigator which was leased for just under $25,000.00. When you start adding up hundreds of items bought for or by the Mayor costing just under what Council has to approve, just imagine the money that goes unaccounted for. Detroiters are facing some very hard times and many people in the City are without the very basics it takes to survive, while their KK is living lavishly in the mansion, not paying one dime of his own money to live. I would be so outraged by this, but some sit complacently by and allow that to happen. Why? Frankie Darcell has her head in the sand like so many others. She says she read the 196 pages of the deposition and pointed out a couple of pages...all of a sudden that makes her an expert? | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 1998 Registered: 01-2006 |
Who gives a damn what Frankie Darcell thinks about anything? Apparently, she's another idiot who, because she has a microphone in front of her face, mistakenly believes that she speaks for persons other than herself. | ||
Figebornu Member Username: Figebornu Post Number: 76 Registered: 01-2008 |
buyamerican is a racist in using words like "light" and "dark" | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1479 Registered: 06-2005 |
Gistok, of course I care about how my money is spent. I think Kwame should resign. If he doesn't then he needs to be ousted by whomever. But as a lifelong resident of Detroit and with family members that work closely in the media, I am just tired of all this crap. Right now as I type, this scandal continues to make Detroit look bad. The media has taken the focus off of what is good and jumped on and magnified what is bad. I might be personally speaking on this when I say this, I hear this at home, at work and anyplace i go. It just gets old really quick. I am a city worker who actually supported this mayor with a vote. I am also can say that all of the things that have transpired recently have changed my thoughts of him, his visions and his false level of integrity exhibited as far as running this city is concerned. As a citizen of Detroit, I am just TIRED of the whole thing. This is definitely what happens to people who care about this city too freakin much. I think i am finished with this thread | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 2001 Registered: 01-2006 |
Broken_main, be finished with this thread, be tired of the whole thing, but don't stop caring about it, don't stop wanting to know about it, don't do the thing that Kwame wants you to do, which is to be willing to forget about it and put it behind you. He's a fuckin' low-life criminal who has cost this city dearly, in dollars & reputation. Please don't go for the ol' "let's get over it & move on" philosophy. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1480 Registered: 06-2005 |
Ya Know...I do care about the city and the city's future. Kwame can do nothing for me or my family. He has lost my vote and my trust. he is a criminal and I am so ashamed that I was conned by Sharon that he was the best choice for the job. As I have known Detroit way too long to just give up on her now. I was raised here , schooled here and played here. That young thug, who accidently slipped through the great halls of Green amd White (with a grade point so low some community colleges would pass on) has not deterred my vision none at all. My only suggestion now for Mr. Mayor is that he just leave while he has a chance. His ride is over, in my eyes. Thanks Ravine for the encouragement. I think when I get off I will go get a much needed drink. | ||
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter Post Number: 210 Registered: 03-2007 |
Broken Main, in your earlier post you said you believed the Free Press was wrong for publishing the information. That is real scary, when someone believes the press shouldn't report factual news. Was that a mistake statement? | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 464 Registered: 02-2007 |
"buyamerican is a racist in using words like "light" and "dark"" Excuse me? What are you talking about? | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 2003 Registered: 01-2006 |
Buyamerican, that was a light-hearted reference to the last statements of your original post. If you are experiencing difficulty with finding the knee-slapping hilarity of the reference, well, I can't help you with that; perhaps the transmission was O.K. and the fault is with our receivers. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 958 Registered: 01-2005 |
Who remembers Watergate - it brought a president down, but the scandal and crisis made for a better, more honest and more confident America. Was the Washington Post wrong? Did the Washington Post just want to sell newspapers - or did it take seriously it's professional mandate? | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 2006 Registered: 01-2006 |
If the local journalists were "out to get" a local public figure, using misleading or outright false information and claims, discerning readers like me would pick up on the sleight-of-hand, and wholly reject the attempt. In this case, much of what has been reported by the media are, literally, matters of public and/or legal record. This effort is more than a smear campaign. The facts are there. If Frankie Darcell, nobody that she is, would prefer that the local media not report those facts because they involve her pal and her pal's fat-ass lying spouse, I understand that, but she is out-of-line in calling such reporting "wrong." If one keeps one's hind-quarters clean, one is much less likely to be accused of stinking. Wrapping up a statement about Frankie Darcell with a reference to hind-quarters seems like a good way to conclude this post; over & out! | ||
Rel Member Username: Rel Post Number: 299 Registered: 02-2008 |
Ravine, right on. Did the media dig up this kinda crap on Archer? Sure, Archer wasn't without mini-scandals, but he focused on his role as Mayor and the media wasn't "out to get him". Kwame's problem is: He claims the perception of him as a "thug" is unfair. Well... prove them wrong! Don't live up to the stereotype. Don't give them ammunition. And the hypocrisy & arrogance doesn't help your standing with the press... (defiantly) "I don't whore around on my wife" and "I can't WAIT for the truth to come out". 'Memba those gems? Kwame, take a lesson from Britney Spears. Don't give them anything to look at. Please! Put your political panties back on ;) As for Ms. Darcel, I have a lot of respect for her and enjoy her program, but I think her personal friendship with the Kilpatricks is clouding her professional integrity. | ||
Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 361 Registered: 03-2005 |
I like Neal Rubin's take on it. Let's give Darcell the benefit of an extraordinary level of doubt, and assume the Free Press was skulduggerous in its methods. In that case, what she's saying is that any sort of bad behavior and corruption are okay as long as you cover them up so cleverly that your trail can't be followed unless the tracker does a bit of trespassing. What he said. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 959 Registered: 01-2005 |
Interesting about Frankie Darcell: she was married to Edward Foxworth, who was head of the Police Athletic League. According to her, he was a domestic abuser. She wrote a popular book about her abuse (published locally) and, when it was published, Foxworth was immediately booted by Archer and the DPD - which has a zero tolerance policy on domestic abuse. So, it was okay for her to publish the facts and ruin a man (who no doubt deserved it) but the Freep is muck-racking? As I recall, her book alleged that Foxworth's domestic assault arrest record disappeared and it was suspicious because he had so many friends in the DPD - so she wrote the book to expose it all (and provide moral support for victims of domestic violence). | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 593 Registered: 08-2005 |
let's start calling into her show and flood the lines. you have to sound sweet and apologetic to the screener and keep a leve head as you ask for him to resign. | ||
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill Post Number: 531 Registered: 09-2006 |
Ofcourse the paper wants to sell copies, but since the dawn of the "free press" the newspapers have an obligation to report to the community information they feel impacts the activities of their communities.. They did,,... big time,, and much to the chagrin of Kwame, who usually gets away with everything,( as most Detroit entitled politicians are used to), unfortunately got caught big time. In no way did he figure this would ever happen, as the scrutiny goes way beyond the typical I can get it past the Detroit voters group he faces,, The man got caught with his pants down big time,, Big miscalculation on his part. |
