  Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 530 Registered: 08-2007 |
from http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080913/M ETRO/809130350/1409/METRO Who do you think would do the best job as mayor of Detroit? Let's discuss the personal strengths and weaknesses of each candidate and rank them in order of who you would like to see lead the city. Please leave all the negative race-baiting comments out of this thread. If we are ever to move forward we must first identify what we need and then how to accomplish it. Crying over water under the bridge will not move us forward. I'd much rather talk about a candidate that can help lead Detroit in the right direction and how we can get behind that candidate to ensure he/she wins, as opposed to more 'Detroit is a dump' posts. I think we have already established that that is the sentiment of 90% of the posters here. Let's talk about changing that... Here is my preference for the next mayor of Detroit (Nov-2009 election - not the special election). Dave Bing Tie - Freeman Hendrix/Ken Cockrel, Jr. Rev. Nicholas Hood Geoffrey Fieger Warren Evans Bella Marshall Benny Napoleon Sharon McPhail Ella Bully-Cummings | ||
Mschievous Member Username: Mschievous Post Number: 256 Registered: 04-2008 |
In my order of preference, BING (brings business experience, integrity and professionalism) HENDRIX (brings professionalism and city government experience) MARSHALL (brings city government experience and she's not afraid to work hard) I think the others are either 1. lacking in the type of experience needed, 2. a poor choice for the city or, 3. unstable (Message edited by mschievous on September 13, 2008) | ||
Umbound Member Username: Umbound Post Number: 236 Registered: 02-2008 |
my order Hendrix Bing and maybe Fieger or Cockrel | ||
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav Post Number: 727 Registered: 09-2007 |
Ladies & Gentlemen, I hereby nominate Mr. Benny Napoleon | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1323 Registered: 04-2005 |
archer quit running because he knew he wasn't "black" enough to win another election. kwame beat hendrix by virtue of being more "black." this will affect dave bing, who "won" a sambo award, and had his business enterprise victimized by arson more than once, because of his community views and support for charter schools. | ||
Mschievous Member Username: Mschievous Post Number: 257 Registered: 04-2008 |
Oops, I left out Cockrel. He'd be my third choice, before Bella Marshall and he CAN move up in front of Hendrix depending on his performance in the next 6 months. I believe he might be able to restore a sense of professionalism & honesty to city government (guess that statement might be an oxymoron huh?). | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 531 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: Awww, our first race-baitor. Can we get back to the topic of this thread? | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 561 Registered: 05-2008 |
Cockrel | ||
Detroitmaybe Member Username: Detroitmaybe Post Number: 183 Registered: 03-2008 |
I think we're gonna be surprised at how much Cockrel gets accomplished in these few months he's in office. he's eager to prove a point and make Kwame look bad for constantly trying to call him out! He has integrity and is more familiar. I think he will set a new standard for Detroit politics!! | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6235 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hendrix will almost for certain get the "I told you so" base. lol I actually want to see Feiger make a serious shot at this just to shake things up. | ||
3420 Member Username: 3420 Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2003 |
Do you all think that an actual average city resident can win? No name recognition, no hidden agenda, just an average citizen who wants to improve the city. I just want someone who really wants to improve the city as a whole in every area to clean up Detroit. | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 242 Registered: 08-2008 |
Thecarl, there was a fire at Dave Bing's facility, but how do you know the motive unless you had a conversation with the arsonist? Furthermore, the fire happened years before Dave said anything publicly about schools. And his "community views"? Dave does not have controversial "community views", whatever that is supposed to mean. Controversial he is not. Also, CP -- I truly don't believe that 90% of the posters here think that Detroit is a dump. Many of the posters love the city, warts and all. Oh, and I choose Bing. (Message edited by Downtown Lady on September 14, 2008) | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 7284 Registered: 08-2004 |
Crumbled_pavement, I wouldn't exactly call Thecarl a race baiter in this topic. Archer more than once in office mentioned that he "doesn't like to wear his blackness on his sleeve", which alludes to what Thecarl has said. And as for Hendrix, had you been on this forum when the last mayoral election was going on, more than one DetroitYES poster called Hendrix "Helmut", his middle name, alluding to his Austrian mothers ancestry. So there's some validity to what Thecarl has said. My preference would be to give Cockrel a chance, and then rethink my preference. But my runner up would be Hendrix. Bing doesn't currently live in Detroit, and some may use the "interloper" argument against him for that. As for Bella Marshall... I don't know anything about her personally, except that she's married to Don Barden. He's soured many folks on this forum by his backing of the Archer recall effort of the "Call Em Out Coalition" because he didn't get a casino license. | ||
Ffdfd Member Username: Ffdfd Post Number: 344 Registered: 09-2006 |
quote: Not true according to the link Crumbled_pavement posted. Here is the first sentence: quote: | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 532 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: What does people loving the city have to do with them thinking it's a dump? People can love a dump. However, 90% of the posts I see on this forum don't paint Detroit in a positive light (deservingly or not) so that is why I said there is no need to repeat what is already constantly being said. quote: Oh, I would absolutely call him a race-baitor, because what he's rambling about is off topic. He had to have an agenda to say it because it's irrelevant to what we're talking about. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6236 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's not totally irrelevant, but it'll definitely be just a sideshow this time around, and I think it will play a much smaller role in this mayoral election than elections past. Kilpatrick showed the citizens exactly how well "street cred" plays in terms of delivering services and keeping the citizens safe. Not well at all. I feel very comfortable predicting that the whole "black enough" issue will rank far down the list of importance, this time. The whole silly "hip hop" mayor thing isn't going to fly. If nothing else came out of this drama it's that Kilpatrick makes it very hard for someone like him to gain the office in the near-future running the campaigns that he ran. | ||
Pythonmaster Member Username: Pythonmaster Post Number: 215 Registered: 12-2006 |
I hear Alonzo Bates is looking for a gig. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7738 Registered: 02-2004 |
Here how I narrow it down to the possible nine candidate from Mayor of Detroit: Dave Bing ( Lots of experience, but not appealing to younger generation) Freeman Hendrix ( Did really good getting attention for the undecided voters, but he was a no show to some areas electing him for mayor is like electing a lame duck.) Ken Cockrel, Jr. ( Excellent in Detroit issues, he's ready to work kind of black man filled with leadership and prosperity.) Rev. Nicholas Hood ( More on religion then city politics. He's lack in city issues. He's kind of like a mediator between the Detroiters and city leaders.) Geoffrey Fieger ( NO WAY! He's like a world's famous ambulance chaser. A defender to Dr. Death Jack Kevorkian. He's under fire for campaign contributions to Sen. John Edward's Presidential Campaign. Lack in Detroit politics, nobody wants him. He should stick to his law firm and stay out of politics.) Warren Evans ( NO! He's have reached his prime in law enforcement. He's not appealing to younger crowd, especially juveniles. Lack in Detroit issues. He would not get a single vote from any election. He should finish up his duties in law enforcement and retire.) Bella Marshall ( Most Detroiters never heard of her. She must be working in the lowest forms of Detroit city politics. She not might be squeaky clean. You all might want to do some more research on her before you all give her some support. Otherwise don't vote for her.) Benny Napoleon ( NO WAY! He is a corruptor of law enforcement. KING KWAME got rid of him. He's still lack in city issues. nobody especially juveniles and felons want to vote for him.) Sharon McPhail( OH HELL NO! She's very scornful women, A supporter of KING KWAME. Married to David Snead, a former DPS Superintendent who embezzled school money for the wedding of both for them. She is lame duck former Detroit city councilwoman who attacks every last city council member while in their weekly meetings. Voting for her will be like having another Kwame Kilpatrick clone in office.) Ella Bully-Cummings ( NO! She's fine with law enforcement but a Kwame Kilpatrick clone. She lack in city issues Don't vote for her.) | ||
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone Post Number: 331 Registered: 03-2007 |
Reserving final judgement until after Ken Cockrel's interim term, my ranking is as follows: Dave Bing Ken Cockrel, Jr. Freeman Hendricks I don't think any of the others can hold a candle to those three. If Cockrel does well in the interim (which I think he will), he goes to the top of my list. My reasons for these three are the same as those posted by others. | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 764 Registered: 11-2007 |
On the development side Cockrel has a chance to benefit big time from items the business community was holding off on until Kwamegate was over. Cobo, Quicken location(s), ribbon cutting of the Book Cadillac, etc. plus anything else he can accomplish on his own in the next 6 months. He needs a big score with a new Police Chief and setting an agenda on crime but if a search is needed outside the Dept. is there time for this prior to the election or should an interim chief be appointed to allow the permanent mayor his choice? Bing-one Cockrel-two Hendrix-three | ||
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav Post Number: 731 Registered: 09-2007 |
Danny...please enlighten; I could find no dirt on Benny Napoleon. And, you say that KK got rid of him - got rid of a fellow Cass Tech graduate? (Message edited by chuckjav on September 14, 2008) | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 7285 Registered: 08-2004 |
I have to agree with Danny (wow!) on nixing Sharon McPhail and Ella Bully Cummings.... anyone who has been awake the last 6 months would know why... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6237 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm not even sure why Ella Bully-Cummings name is even in the mix. It's almost an insult to see that their are rumors of her running for mayor. As far as most Detroiters are concerned, she's a Kilpatrick lackey, and her career has been irreparably harmed by both her connection to him and her own actions. Sharon McPhail's name will always be in the running, because she runs for everything. She's Detroit's very own William Jennings Bryan, but with half the charisma and half the political talent. | ||
Jtf1972 Member Username: Jtf1972 Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2008 |
Lmichigan, You are being quite generous as to McFail's charisma & talent. I would rank Cockrel above Bing. I have no experience with Bing, but am concerned about anyone who chooses to live elsewhere until it is necessary to run for office. My experience with Cockrel is limited to a few short emails with him, but he left a very good impression, both as the only Council member to respond to an email sent to all (except Watson, whose email wasn't working) and in the brief emails which led me to believe that he shares a similar vision for the worl-class city I believe Detroit can be. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6238 Registered: 10-2003 |
lol, Jtf1972. I was thinking about that, myself, but I thought I'd give her half up against WJB since I'm not going to give her anything else. | ||
Bw7085 Member Username: Bw7085 Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2007 |
Ken Cockrel is the only council member that responded to my email that I sent to all council members concerning the bulk trash pickup they voted on. I think we should let him finish the term. | ||
Bobl Member Username: Bobl Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2008 |
Well, looks like City Council has decided to hold a primary in February, temporary election in May.....then repeat by November. Does this mean that the city is awash with money, and could afford the Escalades, etc for KK after all? I wish most towns could afford three million dollars for a temporary election.... | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1684 Registered: 01-2005 |
Dave Bing - Name Recog. and smart businessman. Sharon McPhail - Name Recog., smart woman with fantastic ideas for the city (despite all of the naysayers...if you sit down with her for 5 minutes you'd agree with me) Janice Winfrey - Name Recog., really cleaned up the city elections office. Don't know the rest. Benny is a back-stabber and not too intelligent, and hendrix is mean and not too intelligent. Hendrix tore down Hudsons for Christ sakes...when there was a mixed use plan on the table that was nearly funded. Coward. Ella...does she have the right experience? Dunno. Seems like a great speaker, but I just don't know her. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 3237 Registered: 07-2004 |
I thought that Hendrix was a little compromised by a real estate deal, wasn't he? At least as of the last election, I recall there were some questions he couldn't answer. I know he doesn't have the reputation of being a "deal-maker," but I'd like to adopt a wait-and-see attitude toward Cockrel for the time being. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7755 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Sharon McPhail - Name Recog., smart woman with fantastic ideas for the city (despite all of the naysayers...if you sit down with her for 5 minutes you'd agree with me") NO WAY! She is Kwame Kilpatrick T.H.U.G. Knights of the black table. Don't vote for her. If you all do, She will be a instant bully to all city workers. Word from the Street Prophet No wonder her chair warmer had been sabotaged by having its wires cut while she was city councilwoman. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1685 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hendrix defaulted on a loan or something...yes you're right. Something to do with a golf dome deal with a bunch of mcnamara buddies, including, I believe, Bernard Kilpatrick. You guys have to know...Freman, Kilpatrick(s)...they are all old mcnamara buddies. Danny you always hated Sharon, but could never quite string together enough sentences to say exactly why...other than call her names and tell lies about her. Looks like nothing's changed in three years. | ||
Bjl7997 Member Username: Bjl7997 Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2005 |
Yall forgot about Hansen Clarke... HANSEN CLARKE | ||
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill Post Number: 661 Registered: 09-2006 |
Would like to see Bing, He would be bring some unbiased savy to the ring..He is not entrenched in the Detroit political machine and has proven business abilities which is needed presently. Most importantly he has alot of respect from people on both sides of 8 mile as well as the state and nationally. I also like Cockrel.. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1897 Registered: 04-2006 |
Count Scary for mayor! | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 537 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: I like Hansen. He seems like an honest, genuine down to earth guy that really cares and is passionate about his constituents. I don't know about some of his ideas and his business skills, but other than that, I like him. | ||
Bobl Member Username: Bobl Post Number: 66 Registered: 07-2008 |
Darren McCarty, hands down!! | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1467 Registered: 11-2003 |
401don-- The approximate date of the ribbon cutting of the Book Cadillac was planned before the Kwame mess began. But yes, the business community has definitely held off on some things until he's out of there. | ||
Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 1058 Registered: 11-2005 |
I would like to see Rep. Tobocman or Sen. Clarke give it a try because they seem to be 2 of the best politicians in the city. I like cockrels moves so far though so we will see what he can do. | ||
Cman710 Member Username: Cman710 Post Number: 480 Registered: 07-2006 |
Of all these candidates, who do you think would be best at focusing on reducing crime? I think that is the most important issue. | ||
Bjl7997 Member Username: Bjl7997 Post Number: 126 Registered: 03-2005 |
I just Hope Hansen Clarke makes the ballot. I am rooting for him all the way baby or Bing, Cockrel, Hendrix, Tobocman?? And another thing... Sharon McFAILURE needs to quit while she's ahead...Her last name "Phail" or "FAIL" is quite a big statement. I am praying to the Lord that the Detroit voters are smart enough to choose the right mayor for this city. You see... we as a whole are in a stand still right now. THis city needs to move forward...seriously. My picks are -Dave Bing -Hansen Clarke -Ken Cockrel -and that Tobocman person I am a little skeptical about Hendrix. To my understanding he was in cahoots with former mayor Dennis Archer. I dunno I reiterate we need someone who is optimistic and will bring this city back from hell. That is all i have to say. | ||
7miledog Member Username: 7miledog Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2008 |
The loan received by the COMPANY that Hendrix was ASSOCIATED with was secured IN PART by his home, and in part by other SECURITY, such as future revenue (i.e. accounts receivables). If you know anything about secured transactions, you would understand that this is a very common security agreement. Check out Article 9 of the Uniform Commercial Code. As far as Bing goes, there will be a whole lot of info that comes out that will change many voter's minds. I believe it is too late for Feiger. Cockrel made a DAMN good move today by naming Saul Green as Deputy Mayor. Naming a former US Attorney DEFINITELY gives the impression that he is trying to clean things up. 401Don, the biz community is ecstatic about Bing, in large part because he is a republican. Do not expect any major announcements coming out of the next 6 months that requires business support. All that being said, I support Freman. He is extremely intelligent (contrary to Quinn's assertion, but he also thinks McPhail is a good candidate, so I am questioning HIS intelligence. And yes, I have "sat down" and spoken to her. She's an idiot). He is also not menan at all. Cockrel needs to go back to Council just so that Conyers does not remain council prez. | ||
Detourdetroit Member Username: Detourdetroit Post Number: 402 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's time for Hazen, IDOL OF THE PEOPLE | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 256 Registered: 08-2008 |
quote: Like what? Don't just throw random sh*t out there. | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 541 Registered: 08-2007 |
It's official! We will have at least two quality candidates running in the special election. Bing & Cockrel.... http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20080919/COL 10/809190419 I have mixed feelings on Bing running because I want to see what Cockrel can do. However, with two guys of high visibility and integrity running it will make it more difficult for the slimeballs that might also be eying the position of mayor. | ||
7miledog Member Username: 7miledog Post Number: 50 Registered: 03-2008 |
The fact that he is an ardent charter school supporter and allegedly a republican to start with. Not that this is scandalous info, but it will change many Detroit voters' minds. My sources tell me that that is the tip of the iceberg, but that is enough to me considering the vehement anti-GOP mindset and pro-public school mentality of many Detroit voters. (My sources are usually pretty reliable) | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 273 Registered: 08-2008 |
Dave is not a republican. Who are your sources? Is it because he is well-off that he is allegedly a republican? There are many democrats that have money. I don't know that Dave is an ardent charter school supporter, but just that he seemed to think that if someone offers $200 million to educate Detroit children, it might be foolish to pass it up. I know Dave and I can't begin to imagine what could possibly be the ominous iceberg that your unnamed sources warn of. | ||
9936sussex Member Username: 9936sussex Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2007 |
Freep is reporting that Sharon McPhail picked up petitions for mayor today. Are you kidding me? | ||
Maf_omac Member Username: Maf_omac Post Number: 94 Registered: 07-2008 |
Dark Horse Candidate: Coleman Young, Jr. And it may not happen now - but the stars are aligning up for that to happen. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 8845 Registered: 11-2004 |
Yep, Sharon "I stood by Kwame" McPhail did indeed pick up an application to run for mayor. Why she still stubbornly thinks she has a chance is beyond me. She ran against Archer back in '93 and failed and just recently got clobbered against her then foe, KK. The stench that she got from defending Kwame must still linger and I really don't think she'd stand a snowball's chance. Of all of the candidates supposedly running, I would have to say she's the weakest of the pack by a long shot. |
