  Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 996 Registered: 05-2006 |
OMG You knew it would happen sooner or later: http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20080929/NEWS01/ 80929075 | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 1206 Registered: 11-2006 |
oh dear lord. please no. | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 5613 Registered: 10-2003 |
Palin is more qualified to be mayor but god forbid you tell that to the majority of voters in Detroit. God forbid you say anything to disrespect the former sandwich artist. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 2645 Registered: 09-2006 |
If I hear of one more unqualified idiot running for mayor I might as well gather some petition signatures, lol. | ||
Ltdave Member Username: Ltdave Post Number: 287 Registered: 09-2006 |
any chance hes hoping to get elected soley so he can say hes the youngest mayor ever elected in detroit? he will be 3 or 4 years younger than that last guy hmmm, uh...dang! cant remember his name... | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 2156 Registered: 03-2006 |
if this fellow gets elected, it could be the straw that breaks the camels back for the city of Detroit. | ||
Mschievous Member Username: Mschievous Post Number: 278 Registered: 04-2008 |
If he even makes the primary, I'm gonna have to GIVE my house away but it'll be time to go... | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7788 Registered: 02-2004 |
Detroit doesn't need another Coleman Young. He's haven't keeping up with city issues. | ||
Sludgedaddy Member Username: Sludgedaddy Post Number: 169 Registered: 01-2008 |
If he actually runs, he can legitimately be referred to as "That Little Bastard". | ||
Westsiiiide Member Username: Westsiiiide Post Number: 350 Registered: 05-2008 |
He's young, intelligent, and he is concerned with issues in Detroit. I for one, see nothing wrong. I rather him than the person who: Only got to be Council President because the former Council President died; only got to be mayor because the mayor was charged, convicted and arraigned of a crime and decided to quit. Maybe CAY jr won't win this time, but somewhere in future he just may. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 2158 Registered: 03-2006 |
Joel Loving is his real name | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 2353 Registered: 07-2007 |
A guy who changes his name to get elected. Weak. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1924 Registered: 04-2006 |
I've met him and talked with him on a few occasions. Despite his young age he could be a viable candidate. He really seems to care, I would hope he could get some more experience before he would run for an executive position however. | ||
Sharmaal Member Username: Sharmaal Post Number: 1371 Registered: 09-2004 |
Considering that if he doesn't stay elected he goes back to Subway, he better care! | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 1428 Registered: 08-2005 |
he cares for the city, true...but we need more than affection for the city. okay...so let's anoint a DYser for our candidate and city council too | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1697 Registered: 01-2005 |
ah shit! | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 1331 Registered: 11-2003 |
He's a nice enough guy. Completely inexperienced. We went down that road before last administration and that didn't work out so well. We don't need a first term state legislator and before that sandwich engineer at subway to deal with the complex issues of the city. Mayor is a job not for a 24-year old. He simply doesn't have enough life experience to do the job. (Message edited by digitalvision on September 29, 2008) | ||
Haikoont Member Username: Haikoont Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2008 |
quote: Legally change your first name to Mayor and you're a lock Sekou. It's a proven strategy. Just ask Reverend David Murray.  | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 633 Registered: 05-2008 |
He's very young--too young and inexperienced. Normally, I would say he's running for name recognition, but that isn't the case here. There's much to be said for experience. | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 634 Registered: 05-2008 |
Interestingly enough, the "ClickonDetroit" site is referring to him as "Jr." That's incorrect. He's the II. | ||
Pythonmaster Member Username: Pythonmaster Post Number: 219 Registered: 12-2006 |
I think Master Alonzo Bates has the inside track on the next mayoral gig. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 14320 Registered: 12-2003 |
I would SO much rather have a Mayor Loving in this town...maybe he can change his name BACK after he's voted in? | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 1148 Registered: 06-2004 |
If the people of Detroit toss away Cockrel, Bing and the other qualified candidates and elect this bozo, they richly deserve the terrible fate that will befall them. | ||
Duke_sims Member Username: Duke_sims Post Number: 66 Registered: 05-2008 |
I hear William Hart Jr. is looking for a job. Maybe he can be mayor. | ||
Rid0617 Member Username: Rid0617 Post Number: 297 Registered: 03-2008 |
"if this fellow gets elected, it could be the straw that breaks the camels back for the city of Detroit." And we have the number one reason we are holding of on moving to Detroit. We're willing to move up there and jump in the trenches to do what ever we are called on to do. But if the citizens vote another idiot in office they will have shot themselves in the foot and no amount of help from anywhere will be of any good. | ||
Jtf1972 Member Username: Jtf1972 Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2008 |
Is there time to change my name to Barack Obama and run? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6300 Registered: 10-2003 |
Everyone is freaking out, and for what reason? This was the same kind of over-dramatics witnessed in the thread of McPhail pulling papers to run. There is absolutely nothing, at the moment, that hints at either of these two being top-tier contenders in this race, yet everyone's making Joel out to be an instant front-runner. Can we cut the fauxtrage, for once? | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 296 Registered: 07-2008 |
Considering that people elected Monica Conyers to council, just because of her last name, and Martha Reeves, cuz they remember how they used to dance to her music, and also elected Kwame twice, because of his last name - oh, and because he looked like Gerald Levert and women thought he was sexy (gag)....yeah, I'd say it was time to hit the panic button! | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7790 Registered: 02-2004 |
Coleman Young II will tell all the squatters to hit 8 Mile Rd. and living with the suburbanites. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 1332 Registered: 11-2003 |
The top-tiers are going to need to get involved in areas they might not be so comfortable in if he starts to poll strongly. If he's sitting in the under 10-percent range, they don't need to worry about him. Young II has the potential to have the same ability that Kilpatrick did with young people, if he can get the operations together. The big difference is that Kilpatrick sold out to the business interests to get the money to make those things happen. This time around, Bing has that money locked up except for those who bet the hedge, and that's not happening until after the primary. But yes, as Chrissy said, Detroit has a piss-poor record of voting on issues or positions. Which means it's time for candidates to start spending the dough. | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 436 Registered: 10-2003 |
Has he ever explained publicly why he changed his name? I'm all for someone changing their last name to their birth fathers, but changing your first and middle name is obviously a ploy to get elected. What's wrong with Joel Young? That really irks me. What makes him even remotely qualified? It's not like he even spent that much time with his Dad, right? He was in Florida?? | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 1189 Registered: 11-2003 |
True, the mere act of pulling petitions is a long way from achieving success in the election. But the fact that Mr. Young would even take this step speaks volumes about him. It speaks to a disrespect of Detroit voters by virtue of a nakedly cynical attempt to take advantage of a vote based on pure name recognition rather than professional accomplishment. It also speaks to a dangerous level of personal hubris when any 25 year old suggests that he has the necessary experience and judgment to be the chief executive of the 11th largest city in the country. Disrespect, hubris, lack of judgment . . . Hasn't our city suffered enough in the last seven years from these kinds of leadership "qualities?" If Mr. Young actually does file to run for mayor and then loses, hopefully a viable candidate will emerge from his legislative district to take advantage of such a selfish blunder and expose and unseat him in 2010. | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 307 Registered: 08-2008 |
quote: According to Wikipedia (yes, I know, Wikipedia cannot always be counted on for accuracy), Coleman Young changed his son's name after the paternity test: "Young went to court and changed his son's birth certificate to legally match the name on his son's baptismal record to Coleman Young, Jr., who was then known as Joel Loving." quote: Sludgedaddy, that's kind of tacky. I'm not a supporter of his candidacy, just trying to be fair. | ||
Daddeeo Member Username: Daddeeo Post Number: 164 Registered: 09-2008 |
Name recognition is the name of the game. If enough people split the vote, he may get in with say 25% of the vote. Bing, Cockrel, McFail etc can divide up enough people that the old name Coleman Young rings a bell and they say "What the hell he was a good mayor" and vote for the kid. Remember, this is Detroit where weird things happen. | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 297 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hmmm, that's not how I remember it, Downtown Lady. It was a while ago, but I could have SWORN I read that JOEL petitioned the court to change his name, and I "think" it was after CAY passed. That wiki could have been put there on purpose - does it have an edit date? Wouldn't be surprised if he updated it after reading people critical of it here. | ||
Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 603 Registered: 03-2005 |
There oughta be an IQ/civics/current events test to vote. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 7333 Registered: 08-2004 |
Lmichigan, I hate to burst your bubble... But how do you think Kenneth Cockrel Jr., Sheila Cockrel, Monica Conyers, and Martha Reeves EVER got elected in the first place in Detroit... NAME RECOGNITION!! Do you think that Joel Loving would have gotten elected to the state legislature under that name... hardly. In Detroit politics (as elsewhere) it's all about... NAME RECOGNITION! With 6 or 7 well known people in the primary, the votes will get quite divided up among the contenders. Although I doubt it, it's not inconceivable that he could end up as one of the top 2 vote getters? Never underestimate the power of name recognition among the Detroit electorate... | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 998 Registered: 05-2006 |
He changed his hame himself, as an adult. He was six when paternity was proven. He was 14 was CAY died. He was "survived by one son, Joel Loving." Daddy didn't change it upon proof of paternity. | ||
Saintme Member Username: Saintme Post Number: 241 Registered: 08-2006 |
The article I got in my inbox is slightly different from the one posted above. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20080930/NEW S01/809300349/1001/NLETTER09&s ource=nletter-news "After growing up in California, Young moved to Detroit in 2005." Does that mean he didn't move from California until 2005? And NOW he's a state rep? | ||
Chrissy_snow Member Username: Chrissy_snow Post Number: 298 Registered: 07-2008 |
Yeah, see, I did a few searches and every article I've found refers to Loving as being the one that changed his name AFTER CAY's death, which is what I remember. Here's one, from CNN, that still refers to him as Loving, and he was then 14. http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/29/ young.obit.pm/ Here's another: http://www.wilx.com/news/headl ines/2396396.html Looks like the CAY II spin doctors are already at work cleaning up his image online, LOL, starting with the Wiki page! Too bad, we have memories like elephants - and the internet doesn't forget! | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 3462 Registered: 10-2003 |
To the Detroit YES Supreme Being(s) Can we have a Super thread for the Mayoral election(s), Please....? | ||
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady Post Number: 308 Registered: 08-2008 |
Thanks Chrissy and Washman for the correction! Yes, the spin doctors may be at work on Wikipedia. That will teach me not to trust what I read there!! Here's that link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C oleman_Young | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 1429 Registered: 08-2005 |
yep...he just moved here in 05, entered as a student at WSU, ran for his seat in 06 (I want to say unopposed too) and won (or will win) his seat again in 08 - unopposed for sure what a farce...again, if Detroiters elect him for anything they are complete fools. you should at least have a degree or 15 yrs work experience to run for mayor | ||
Saintme Member Username: Saintme Post Number: 242 Registered: 08-2006 |
"you should at least have a degree or 15 yrs work experience to run for mayor." I would assume you'd need at least that to be a state rep. Holy hell. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6303 Registered: 10-2003 |
If he makes it even third in the primaries, I'll eat my hat. I know about name recognition and Detroit, but this isn't the city council or some congressional district. Contrary to popular belief you have to have to actually have some major talent to win the mayor's office in Detroit. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 7339 Registered: 08-2004 |
LOL... you're right Lmichigan. Unfortunately KK had major talents that the Feds are still looking into... Three of his less than stellar talents appears to have been "sponging" (off the rich), "siphoning" (off the city contractors), and "splurging" (off of his non-profit organizations)... (Message edited by Gistok on October 01, 2008) | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 6308 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yes, spinning a web of corruption, unfortunately, is considered a political talent. Just ask folks like Ted Stevens. | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 637 Registered: 05-2008 |
Back to young Young...I wonder why Coleman Young never adopted him or married the child's mother. Also, so he worked at Subway...he held a job. I'm not in favor of his running for office, but there are worse things a person can do than work at Subway. Look at most of KK's pack. | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 639 Registered: 05-2008 |
Rid, with all due respect, you've been holding off moving to Detroit for one reason or another. Either shit or get off the pot. Move to Detroit and make a difference, Man. We need you. | ||
Erikd Member Username: Erikd Post Number: 1066 Registered: 10-2003 |
There is no way CAY2 will beat out Cockrel, Bing, or Hendrix for mayor. He doesn't have the money, the contacts, the experience, or the base that the others do. CAY2 has no chance to win the special mayoral election, but this is a good way for him to start building experience and support for future city-wide elections. If CAY2 manages to get his name on the ballot, I doubt he could finish any higher than 4th. However, this would establish him as a serious candidate for a city council seat in the November general election. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 3091 Registered: 08-2004 |
He is too young. He's only 25! He doesn't even have experience and networking contacts yet. |
