  Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 875 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.117.31 |
URL: http://www.wxyz.com/wxyz/nw_lo cal_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_1 5924_3677299,00.html An exclusive look at results from the first independent poll shows a close race for Detroit mayor. Poll Shows Close Race for Detroit Mayor By Christy McDonald Web produced by Seth Myers April 5, 2005 According to an exclusive Action News look at polling data from EPIC/MRA, the Detroit mayoral race would be close if it were held today. This was the first independent poll, not conducted by any of the candidates. If the election were held today, the poll noted the following results: 32% Freman Hendrix 29% Kwame Kilpatrick 29% Sharon McPhail 10% Undecided Margin of error: +/- 4.9% The numbers are close and within the poll’s margin of error. This exclusive poll shows the beginning of a tough political race. Of course, after the Primary Election, when voters will decide amongst the whole field of candidates, they will vote in a General Election that matches up the top two vote winners. Pollsters also asked about the potential individual match-ups. If the General Election were held today, those polled say they would vote or lean toward the following candidates: 43% Kwame Kilpatrick 43% Sharon McPhail 14% Undecided Margin of error: +/- 4.9% Or in another potential match-up: 51% Freman Hendrix 38% Kwame Kilpatrick 11% Undecided Margin of error: +/- 4.9% Or in this possible race: Freman Hendrix: 49% Sharon McPhail: 40% Undecided: 11% Margin of error: +/- 4.9% The EPIC/MRA poll also looked into reasons why Mayor Kilpatrick takes a hit in the numbers. When voters were asked to rate the job he has done as mayor, 36% gave him a positive rating while 36% gave him a negative. Finally, 61% of those polled said Detroit is on the wrong track. Near the end of this poll, voters were again asked who they would elect as mayor. There was a slight change in the numbers. Freman Hendrix and Mayor Kilpatrick were tied at 31%. Sharon McPhail still had 29%. Copyright 2005, WXYZ. All Rights Reserved. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 1492 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.117.68 |
.....This is a reprint from an eariler post.... [This is a part of a three part series, detailing how each major candidate can win the Mayoral Election.] Mr. Hendrix wins the mayors race in two scenarios 1) Mr. Hendrix wins through to the general election in a break of undecided voters (20% according to zogby) toward him, eliminating Sharon McPhail as doubts are cast about her leadership skills and issues are rasied about Cheif Napolean's tenure. Due to lack of funds being raised in the McPhail camp, her message does not resonate and her detractors cast sufficient doubts about her character. Hendrix's faces Mayor Kilpatrick in the run off and wins as the candidate for change, stability, and integrity with nearly 60% of the vote. 2) Mayor Kilpatrick does not run in the election, causing a bevy of last minute filers for the office. Hendrix and McPhail become the lead candidates and Hendrix gets the majority of the split votes in the primary, as seniors view Hendrix as the more stable candidate. Women also do not vote for McPhail in anticipated numbers, causing a Hendrix win. The Anybody but Kwame vote is now bent on reforming the City Council and while abidacting her current seat, nevertheless ties McPhail into the sweeping of Council and doent vote for her for mayor. As a candidate Hendrix is ulimately selected for the following reasons: 1) Better political machine 2) Stable as a candidate 3) Less baggage 4) Better Political savvy 5) Better media presence 6) A surge in financial contributions 7) Better national connections 8) Better grass roots effort with seniors, likely voters. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 1103 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.58.10 |
Ouch! Did you catch the negatives on KK? Something like 2/3 negative to 1/3 positive. Ditto for the CC. The same survey claims 9 out of 10 registered voters intend to vote. Astonishing if it happens; unprecedented. Shows lots of discontent. Asked what KK had done half said either nothing or they didn't know what he had done. Bad communications. It is a long way away, but this thing is wide open. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 6590 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.226 |
"According to EPIC/MRA, the Detroit City Council's favorability rating fell to 33 percent, from 45 percent in February 2003. The percent of respondents who gave the council a negative rating over that same time rose to 63 percent from 52 percent" Also not good for McPhail, as the public seems to view her and the CC as doing a poor job. | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 555 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.23.164 |
The mayor is totally vulnerable, but the council seats are bulletproof as long as they keep the current at large system. Hundreds of unknowns will file to run for those nine seats and we'll be stuck with Lonnie Bates again because we recognize his name. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2546 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.148 |
This is the same company that did the poll for this station a few months ago that showed very different results from the other candidates own polls, including Helmut's. But Ed gave away his criteria this morning. He only polled 402 likely voters. He only retained results from those whom heard of all three candidates. He said that Hendrix still had little name recognition. (The results from his poll, he said, were from those who have heard of Hendrix.) He said that his numbers for KK were down because that is where the negative articles have been focused. He predicted that when negative articles begin to hit Hendrix, which would include his role on the reform board, and his actions in the previous administration that Hendrix numbers in his poll would fall. But let's see if Hendrix can do better raising money from this poll. He has had a dificult time thus far and this will be an indicator as to whether or not he can convince folks to give him a chance. | ||
65memories Member Username: 65memories Post Number: 153 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.87.8.31 |
Brian...no matter how you spin it, this can't be good news for Ms. McPhail. No wonder she wouldn't release her poll. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 1493 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
Its actual good news for Ms. Mcphail, as she is neck and neck with a mayor, in a head to head competition, and places within striking distance of Hendrix in a head to head. The other item is that mayor is so bad in his numbers, its an even chance that she will survive the primary with the few dollars that she has rasied. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2547 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.148 |
Cletus, if you believe this poll and your claim of KK's vulnerability than you would have to believe that the negative view cited in this poll would hurt all CC members seeking re-election to the CC. But why is the negative view not killing Sharon's bid to be mayor? Or is this negative view on the office and not on the people who hold the office? KK has the highest name recognition than anyone else running for anything in Detroit. Only Sharon McPhail ties or has higher name recognition than KK. (According to the Freep, 25% of this polls respondants never heard of Helmut. Which is different from what Ed said this morning on the radio.) I am surprised Helmut backed off of this poll so quickly. While Ed's polls are crap, and always have been, Helmut should be using this poll to boost his image. He is severly hurting for his role in the school board and other issues like Graimark, Brush Park and his absence from the community during his eight years under Archer. | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 558 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.23.164 |
"But why is the negative view not killing Sharon's bid to be mayor?" Maybe it is having a negative effect on McPhail. With the Mayor doing a lousy job and taking hits from all sides, I would expect any viable candidate to perform better than Sharon is doing. She has her own baggage; negative charisma, clinging to the staus quo in the face of need for dramatic reforms and revisions, and the perception that she's a little bit nutty. Her willingness to make liberal use of the race card will play well with some citizens, but many people aren't as dumb as that and it's easy enough to see through her. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2548 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.148 |
So Cletus, according to your post, if Sharon McPhail addresses what you have posted she should easily pull out ahead in this race. (With the margin of error this polls indicates that all three candidates are tied.) The real campaign hasn't yet begun. My guess is that later this month the real politicking will kick in. Additionally if folks believe in this poll than it makes Hendric a target of Kilpatrick's before thr primary. Does Hendrix have enough stamina to take on KK now before August? | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 883 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Brian futilely spun: "But let's see if Hendrix can do better raising money from this poll. He has had a dificult time thus far and this will be an indicator as to whether or not he can convince folks to give him a chance." Fpr those without the "Brian Secret Conspricay Decoder Ring," a translation: "Not only am I sooo full of shit that my eyes are brown, but I'm in a panic over my candidate's weak showing and even poorer prospects." | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 559 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.23.164 |
Like you said, the real election is months away. This poll is like anything else, take it for what it's worth, but it does lend Hendrix more credibilty than many people are willing to give him. If Hendrix can tackle his name recognition problem and position himself as a professional manager who won't squander the budget on bling SUVs or flying saucers, he may have a good chance. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 6594 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.226 |
"My guess is that later this month the real politicking will kick in." What can we expect from Sharon and the McPhailures, an emergency Sambo Award convention? Calling out more folks for acting the wrong race and being wannabes? | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 285 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
I can bet you the McPhail folks are not discouraged at all by the poll results. Sharon has been bombarded with negative press in the last several weeks (died down over the last two) - the poll was done over a two week period at the very end of the Sambofest. KK has been getting bad press for several months. It is no wonder Hendrix's numbers have gone up - he has had NO bad press. My guess is that there will FINALLY be some stuff coming out on Hendrix - he has been given an easy ride so far by the press. ALSO did you notice that 25% of folks have no idea who he is? Once it comes out that he was the reform board guy who was part of the group who took away the right to vote he will be dropping quickly in the polls. McPhail has a VERY solid base that is VERY energized and I am sure KK will be working on his base to. Actaully if you look at McPhail's numbers she had 27% before and now she has 29% (granted two different companies) she has gone up. But at the end of the day VERY early and a statistical dead heat! | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 885 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
From today's Freep: Kilpatrick's re-election is in doubt, new poll says Survey shows he trails Hendrix, is even with McPhail April 6, 2005 BY M.L. ELRICK and MARISOL BELLO FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS http://www.freep.com/news/locw ay/poll6e_20050406.htm And that's with 25% yet to hear about Freman's experience and background, learn more about his positions on issues, experience his commitment to the city and best of all, join Freman in making Detroit the great place that we all know it can be. www.FremanHendrix.com | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 3161 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.171.251 |
Here's the most interesting part of the article for me: "According to EPIC/MRA, the Detroit City Council's favorability rating fell to 33 percent, from 45 percent in February 2003. The percent of respondents who gave the council a negative rating over that same time rose to 63 percent from 52 percent. Council President Maryann Mahaffey blamed the media Tuesday for slanting its coverage against the council. Council President Pro Tem Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said the council needs to improve its image. "People are tired of seeing the City Council get into these petty arguments and debates," he said." Cockrel is dead on. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 188 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
"And that's with 25% yet to hear about Freman's experience and background, learn more about his positions on issues, experience his commitment to the city and best of all, join Freman in making Detroit the great place that we all know it can be." It's also before people hear about anything negative on Helmuthead. Sharon has had a month FULL of bed press (thank you to Sheila COCKerel and Helmuthead), PLUS the poll did not include benny. AND SHE'S STILL THAT HIGH? Nice try BIN, this caboose will derail in a matter of days and go skidding into a sewer where it belongs. Your guy will crumple like a cheap suit...an EMPTY SUIT. Loser. | ||
Amelia Member Username: Amelia Post Number: 368 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.229.90.193 |
This is the same pollster that had Gil Hill beating Kilpatrick ON ELECTION DAY! Good numbers for a race that hasn't even started yet! | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 723 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.230.166 |
EPIC/MRI poll has Freman Hendrix ahead of Sharon McPhail and Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in the race for mayor of the City of Detroit. EPIC/MRI poll has Freman Hendrix ahead of Sharon McPhail and Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in the race for mayor of the City of Detroit. EPIC/MRI poll has Freman Hendrix ahead of Sharon McPhail and Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in the race for mayor of the City of Detroit. Brian, have you heard anything about this? I know it can't be true because according to all of your post Freman Hendrix is the devil incarnate. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2556 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.201 |
Can't Helmut's people even handle good news? Is this an example of the people Helmut will bring to the table? Seems to me that folks who are supposed to be in the lead are supposed to be the ones to carry themselves better than others. Not so for the Helmut crew. Perhaps his head is on too tight. Aram, so cockrel doesn't want debates on CC anymore? | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1285 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
"Once it comes out that he was the reform board guy who was part of the group who took away the right to vote he will be dropping quickly in the polls". Ilovedetroit, once it comes out that that is another false claim on your part, that false assertion as well as the other negative tactics used by your candidate's campaign will drop her even further in the polls. Bottom line: After the state takeover of the DPS the students still went to school. The teachers still taught. Custodians, lunch ladies, bus drivers, security, etc still worked their jobs. Likewise QUALIFIED administrators were needed to manage the school system. Hendrix accepted that challenge. However, using your line of reasoning, all of the people involved with the DPS during the state takeover period, including the students themselves, "were part of the group who took away the right to vote". | ||
Helfy Member Username: Helfy Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
MDG, You are a complete moron! THE DPS problems are completely out of control! The education is pitiful and the management is corrupt as they come. | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 572 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.51.54 |
Tell us what you really think. LOL @ Dude. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1144 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 129.105.35.101 |
Bottom line: After the state takeover of the DPS the students still went to school. The teachers still taught. Custodians, lunch ladies, bus drivers, security, etc still worked their jobs. Likewise QUALIFIED administrators were needed to manage the school system. Hendrix accepted that challenge. MetroDetGuy, are you really this naive? Of course teachers and administrators went to school. That is their job to pay bills, right? That does not mean they felt betrayed and angry. They still feel outraged today, because Burnley will leave this district to the next leader in worse condition than pre-1999 state takeover. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1288 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
On the contrary Ltorivia485, it is you that has shown an incredible level of naivete (especially given your higher education background that you speak of at times) on the mayoral election as well as several other issues. Your sentiment about teachers and administrators is very telling. "That is their job to pay bills." I would think that you would have mentioned something about teaching and managing the schools, first. Since teachers and administrators could feel "outraged"...also assuming parents, students, voters, other school workers, etc could feel likewise...and Hendrix was likewise an administrator...what was everyone expected to do...stop working and stop going to school because the state took over? The bottom line is Hendrix made the best of a bad situation. Someone had to step in and lead the school board. He was well qualified. Would you rather have someone from the community do it, or someone from Lansing (or out-of-state), because either way, the takeover had already happend at the state level. Also, what type of miracle do you expect would have happend with the DPS had the state takeover not happend? DPS was already in bad shape pre-1999. Conditions in Detroit have gotten worse (overall). So (unfortunately) naturally so too has the DPS slid further. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2563 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.201 |
Ltorivia485, don't get sucked into the Helmut redrawing of history. Helmut found and presented Burnley to Archer's school board. Helmut was less qualified to run the schools and lead the board than others who had been elected. Its arrogance for Helmut;s people to try and claim that Helmut was qualified when he has no educational background, no experience in any school system and no previous experience in being on his own. He tried it and failed and then he resigned. Some leader. Then Helmut and his people use a line from Kilpatrick, Engler did it so we had no choice. That is an excuse, not a reason. What Helmut (and MD) is really saying is that Archer and Helmut had zero political power. Neither of them could even attempt to fight Engler and they allowed him to walk all over Detroit. Laslty look at how MD and others bad mouth the man Helmut selected to run the DPS. SO naturally the work Helmut did has allowed or pushed DPS to perform poorly. This is the legacy of Helmut's leadership. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1149 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 199.74.93.54 |
Correct, Brian. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 287 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Metro/Bin- Detroiter's hate the schoolboard takeover! When the 25% who don't know him hear that it was him as the first chairman AKA the guy who threw old ladies and blind people out of the schoolboard meetings AKA the guy who got the city sued over tossing people out of meetings (and they won their lawsuit). When people find out that there are skeleton's in his closet with regards to his business and family dealings - he will sink like a stone. What is fair is fair - KK and McPhail have certainly had the heck kicked out of them recently - AND McPhail has stayed up in the polls. Time to show the world that Freman has his issues to! AND time to show the world AKA 25% who don't know him and 11% undecided who he REALLY is. | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 894 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
"When people find out that there are skeleton's in his closet with regards to his business and family dealings..." Continuing your baseless rumor campaign of a forthcoming rumor campaign without any titilating allegations is just boring. At least get some new material. Freman Hendrix has been thoroughly vetted. Detroit won't be disappointed or embarrassed by lapses of judgment, immature or irresponsible indiscretions, wild parties that never happened, late night bootie calls at the barber shop, felonious friends and famly, quid pro quos, shady deals, and similar antics from our less than perfect servant. | ||
Amelia Member Username: Amelia Post Number: 375 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
BD: Don't be so arrogant and think you know Freman has been "thoroughly vetted"! You will have a rude awakening coming. The media has not yet annointed him as anybody's "Fair Haired Boy". And remember, he's still a BOY.! | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 190 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
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Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 288 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Bin - You folks are going to have your jaws hanging around your ankles when all the stuff on your "perfect" candidate come out. Take that quid pro quo! | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1290 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
"Laslty look at how MD and others bad mouth the man Helmut selected to run the DPS." Brian, please document this (false) claim. Perhaps taking off for the Southfield Public Schools (such as Ms. McPhail did) would have been a good example of leadership during the state takeover? "Ilovedetroit", McPhail and Kilpatrick had "the heck kicked out of them recently" because of their own actions and poor judgment. The media did force someone to purchase a Navigator for his wife with city money (and subsequent coverup), try to cut bus service, etc. nor did the media force someone to play a part in the "Sambo Awards", not show up for a vote, etc. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 290 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Deserved or not deserved is not the point...they have had their share of media retribution. It is time for Freman to get his share - that is WELL deserved. I am sure before long the 25% of people who don't know him will! And the other 11% undecided will decide. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1291 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
"Ilovedetroit", that's the point of everything, and the fact that you missed it tells the story. Deserved attention because of wrongful actions poor judgment. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2566 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.43 |
MD, since Sharon stood up and fought the state, which the mayor and deputy mayor refused to do she took her stand and made her fight. On the contrary, Engler got Archer and by his own words, Helmut, to lay down and take what he gave them. You can't justify your campaign slogan of leadership by trying to show how others have none. An absence of leadership in the current mayor does not make Helmut an automatic leader. In fact, the only thing Helmut has ever lead was the school board and we see how that turned out. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1292 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
Brian, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. McPhail fought the state and lost. Archer/Hendrix fought the state and lost. Same result. Now if you want to talk about leadership, Detroit is in the worst shape it has ever been in, on Kilpatrick and McPhail's watch. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2567 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.43 |
MD, you now show how weak Archer and Helmut were. Archer a former State Supreme Court Judge didn't even file a lawsuit because he knew he would lose. Helmut who is a self proclaimed lifelong democrat and has bragged about his importance in Michigan's Democratic Party could not get enough democrats to stop the takeover. In fact, many Democrats and Archer supporters supported the takeover. So Archer and Helmut were weak within their own party not to mention unable of any dealmaking with any republicans. That is not an example of leadership. That is an example of a mayor and his administration not representing Detroit. Archer should have resigned since he was such a weak politician. Perhaps Detroit could have received a stronger mayor. As for Leadership, the city is being lead in a direction determined by the mayor and in part by CC. Its just not the direction you prefer. Leadership isn't about right and wrong, its about standing up and staying up. By your own words and those of Helmuts, he and archer bent over and fell to their knees when Engler beat them up politically. (Then again, you compare a sitting mayor and chief of staff to a lawyer of independant practice who used little to no money to fight the state of Michigan. KTVNT did alot for what little they had and then they defeated proposal E. They defeated Kilpatrick and the STATE. That sure does make Archer and Helmut look bad.) | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1293 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
Brian, so what did McPhail do again? The takeover still happend! Likewise for all of McPhail's grandstanding, she caved on her bond position. For God's sake she couldn't even stand up to (the late) Kay Everett. Talk about weakness. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 724 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.230.166 |
Obsession is a dangerous thing. Some of you are a little too obsessed with your candidate for mayor and you know who you are. What will you do with your life if your candidate does not win the election for mayor of Detroit - ask for a recount or initiate a recall vote? There's nothing wrong with supporting a candidate and stating your reasons why you support your candidate. However, some of you attack your candidate's opponents as if they punched your mother in the face. None of the candidates for mayor: Freman Hendrix, Sharon McPhail, and Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick are these perfect candidates that you make them out to be. All however have shown leadership skills at some level of capacity in their lives, both public and private and therefore it makes sense that they would seek the top job in the City of Detroit, mayor. It is our job as concerned and informed citizens to choose the person who we think can best do the job as mayor. Who that person is is the reason why we have these disagreements about who's the best candidate. Of course everyone thinks his or her candidate is the best candidate for mayor. However, like I said earlier, some of you are willing to go to some incredible lengths to prove that your candidate is the best candidate. You do this, however, at the expense of coming across as not only obsessed but mentally disturbed. Once people think you're not all there, nothing you say will convince them that you know what you are talking about. It's still very early in the political process. The primaries are still months away. As time moves on we will all get a better sense of whose most qualified to become our next mayor. In the mean time we need to remain civil in our discussions on who's the best candidate for mayor. Remember: obsession is a dangerous thing. (Message edited by royce on April 07, 2005) | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1475 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
"Archer a former State Supreme Court Judge didn't even file a lawsuit because he knew he would lose." I thought knowing he would lose would be the best reason to not spend city revenue on a lawsuit. Of course, McPhail would have spent enormous sums of other people's money and put on a big PR show before finally having to go along with it. That's why some folks don't like your candidate. She's always willing to fight and put on a show, but never willing to compromise and actually get something done. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 292 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
McPhail stands up for the little people who others LIKE Freman won't stand up for. Freman will go protect the interest of the suburban controlled bufoons like McNamara and his whole tribe of thieves WHO have robbed this town blind for years. McNamara, Duggan, and Freman (the worst of all as he has robbed his fellow black man) have done nothing for this community EVER. Freman is a total inside the track man. He is has never done anything for Detroit nor will he ever. He is self-serving, egotistical and just plan ignorant. He does not deserve to be mayor PERIOD. I would be ashamed to have him as mayor. At least KK will hopefully learn from his mistakes. Freman will bring his arrogant attitudes along with his flock of suburban AKAs "take it all for myself back to my home in Birmingham" freloaders to town and rob this place blind. Anyone who supports this joker does not know anything about him or his people. | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 896 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.117.31 |
ild "does not know anything about him or his people." True, so true. The ignorance and misinformation in your post is staggering. Please visit www.fremanhendrix.com, tune in to to any one of the many media outlets providing airtime to the candidates, attend a meet-and-greet, talk to one of the legions of volunteerson the street getting out the message, just take advantage of any one of the numerous opportunities available to Detroiters to get to know the next mayor of Detroit. To merely spew the negative bs in a vain effort to discredit Freman Hendrix does not in any way help the City or any other candidate. Got some real dirt on Freman Hendrix that will rightfully persuade voters to support either the incumbent or the coucilwoman? Than tell all. But blanket statements of opinion based on nothing deserve no consideration as they do naught but debase the source and the candidate for whom the hater is shilling. Trying to raise the level of discourse. It could be a long, hot summer, with very little rain. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1151 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 199.74.93.54 |
BinDetroit, I attended one of the town meetings where Freman Hendrix was present. When he said that he was against unionization for DETROIT PUBLIC SCHOOLS principals and assistant principals and considered them MANAGEMENT (???), that immediately told me not to vote for him. You should have seen the looks on audience's faces like they couldn't believe he said such a thing. That right there alienated a crucial educated population who vote in the elections. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 1815 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.42.77.83 |
YAYYYY!!!!!! Go Hendrix, beat that "HIP HOP KILLPATRICK" and get of the evil witch Mc FAILED and her black cat NAPOLEON. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 62 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
ILD you can make all the generalization and wild accusations you want but I have major problem when you put Duggan in the group and call him a thief. Duggan has done more good for the city than any one in years. He might of worked for McNamara but he was a problem solver. What Duggan does, is what most political leaders in Detroit have not been able to figure out how to do “Get things done”. I could go into all his accomplishments over the years but I won’t because I hate to type but I will talk about his latest. Turning around the DMC which is the healthcare safety net for the poor uninsured people of Detroit which you accuse him of stealing from. Without him, two of the hospitals if not more would of closed already. Without these hospitals, healthcare access would have been greatly limited for the people that need it the most. My guess is you don’t like him because he beat McPhail in an election if my memory is correct, did you volunteer for her that time to. Also don’t forget that our current governor is part of that same McNamara political machine and I notice you didn’t mention her in your post. If Duggan ran for mayor at least I know who I would be voting for, instead of who I will not be voting for (McPhail). You and Brian have done a great job of making sure she does not get my vote. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2569 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.12 |
intern, Archer knew he would lose, not that a lawsuit challenging the state would lose. Sharon McPhail led a lawsuit against the state in the districts legislation. Archer should have used the political influence of Detroit, as should Kwame, which is crucial for any governor republican or demorat to win. Engler won when Detroit did not rally against him. Coleman forced Blanchard out of office. Archer allowed Engler to remain in office. MD, are you calling the late Kay Everett a bully? Merch, you say working for McNamara was a negative but that Duggan has done alot of Good? Duggan did Mac's will at the county. Duggan gets to take credit for his prosecutorial role and his positions at the DMC. The DMC is not the safety net you claim. The Federal Government has regulated hospitals and pays for the 'poor'. When you write that you ignore the other hospitals like Henry Ford, Oakwood, Beaumont, St. John, etc. all of whom do the exact same thing as the DMC. It looks like the reason for the DMC's problems were as was said, overcharging by the corporate vendors, massive waste, and too many insider contracts by Board Members. The threats by the Feds to toss all of the former DMC board members in jail sure did empower Duggan to make changes to those long term contracts. As a result, some of the companies that were surviving on overcharging the DMC has not gone out of business. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 63 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Brian, where do I say working for McNamara is a negative. I said "He might of worked for McNamara but he was a problem solver." because according to ILD post, it implied that if you were associated with McNamara you are a thief. Brian your post on healthcare is maybe 10% right. First let me say I work for one of the health system you mentioned and know management that works at all the others. Let talk actual facts, you know the names of some health systems in SE MI but you forgot Trinity one of the biggest in Michigan. You say “The Federal Government has regulated hospitals and pays for the 'poor'.” First the federal government covers 100% Medicare and part of Medicaid the state pays the other part, it is a match (Talking overall funds). People with these types of insurances are considered underinsured meaning while they pay for part of the cost (i.e., Cost $500 these insurances normally cover on average 50% of the cost leaving a $250 loss on treatment). It is illegal to try and collect the uncovered part from these patient. Unfortunately there is a large population of uninsured in the city of Detroit meaning no insurance, not covered by the government. Hospitals are normally the only option for healthcare (the city does not have enough federally funded clinics) for these people because by law it is illegal to not treat people that come to the emergency room (EMTALA Act). Hospitals can bill these people but the collection rate is normally about 10% of actual cost (i.e., cost $500 maybe $50 dollars collect eventually the receivable is written off). These amounts together are considered uncompensated care. First of all Beaumont and Oakwood do shit for the Detroit, the DMC does more uncompensated care in one month than they do all year combined. The DMC on average does maybe 150 million dollars a year of uncompensated care meaning every year they can expect to start off about 150 million in the hole that is why they have lost over 500 million the last 5 to 6 years. It is absolutely amazing they turn a 2 million dollar profit after one full year of Duggan being CEO. I know the state, wayne county and city help but still amazing. St. Johns and Henry Ford (best system in MI) does their part but not nearly what the DMC does. Every health system in SE MI was scared to death when the DMC mention closing hospitals because the other health system would have had to take on DMC burden. Meaning a ripple affect, first Henry Ford falls, then St. Johns leaving almost no healthcare in the city. That is why in the first time in recent memory all system banded together (more like didn’t fight it) to get DMC direct government funding (the $50 mil). Brian you obviously don’t have a clue what DMC means to healthcare for the poor of Detroit. Sorry for the tread jack, but healthcare is my passion and I hate when people talk about what they don’t know. Remember healthcare is not a privilege, it is the right of very one to have access to good healthcare whether you can afford it or not. | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 573 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.23.209 |
"First of all Beaumont and Oakwood do shit for the Detroit,..." Actually, Beaumont is in very serious trouble with the feds for their aggressive stance on denying care to the poor and indigent at their ER. Sorry about the threadjacking, but I just wanted to clear that up. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 64 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Sorry typo I meant don't do shit. (Message edited by Merchantgander on April 08, 2005) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 293 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
I am sorry for all you fools Danny, Merchant and Bin who think Duggan, Freman AKA Freloader (he is unemployed after all)and McNamara are so great. You really have no idea. YOu are all sucked into the fact that Freloader worked for Archer OOOOH Archer is soooo good anyone who worked for him we are going to bend over and let him screw us! Sorry for being so rude but that is how you guys sound. NO one ever has anything to say about Hendrix but "he worked for Archer"...my neighbor down the street came by tonight asking me to sign a Hendrix petition. I was nice and polite and I asked her why Hendrix - she said "well he worked for Archer"...if that is all Hendrix has going for him you guys are hp Loser Creek without a candidate. See ya! | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.168.234 |
ILD, where did I say Freman and McNamara are so great. Where did I say I was voting for Freman, learn how to read. Just because I won’t vote for your clueless candidate don’t get angry. | ||
Fec Member Username: Fec Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 4.165.69.34 |
Hello All, I'm a new kid on the block and I look forward to talking with you all about this subject matter that is truly dear to my heart...the future conditions of Detroit and who will best cure it of its ailments! I will continue to read the writings, I'm happy to be here and will 'jump' in when the spirit hits me! Talk on, and talk at ya later . . . | ||
Amelia Member Username: Amelia Post Number: 384 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.229.90.101 |
Well, looks like we just got a candidate to check in here. Guess who?  | ||
Amelia Member Username: Amelia Post Number: 385 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.229.90.101 |
Welcome Ms. FEC: Well paid campaign staffers make Freman look and sound real good in your posts here, just like fremanhendrix.com. Media consultants can be effective when you control the air waves and websites. Mildred Gaddis and Karen Dumas is an example of "dueling divas" on WCHB. [Looks like MG had to air a pre-record on Friday to catch up with Karen ]. So, here's the point, to respond to your "Hello All" on my best day, I say, "Politics is a contact sport, the mayoral election is not a country club event, and please don't bore us with your credentials. Other than that, spend Freman's money on things like flowers and center pieces for your luncheons. We will see you at the polls. Regards to All and Ta-Ta! smoochez Babe! | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 733 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.61.151 |
Damn, Amelia, some one comes on board the forum and this is the kind of greeting they get from you? Did you forget to take your medication? Usually a person is given a grace period before they're attacked as viciously as you just attacked Fec. Amelia, you have clearly proven that sharks can live out of water. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 1122 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.210.14 |
Welcome to the Forum Fec. Now... Duck!!! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 294 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Amelia you go girl! | ||
Fec Member Username: Fec Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 4.165.132.209 |
I've got to give it to you A. When I read your comment to me, the first sound from my mouth was, 'Whoa'! That was dirty boxing... a hit below the belt. I got my taste of your abrasive style, and I just threw it off. You remain me of someone that eats nails, tacks and cut glass every chance they can! You are a rough one, Roughy! Excuse me, I guess I was wrong. . . aren't we suppose to be about truths, facts and meaningful information. You're not playing fair, Roughy! You are found out as someone that either makes up stories for sensationalism or you like to read yourself write. I'm going to watch this storyteller. But you know what, I'm here for the long haul, and let's try to stay on point. By the way, what's yours? | ||
Amelia Member Username: Amelia Post Number: 386 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.229.120.153 |
Royce: You shouldn't have put the "tag" on the newcomer like you did, you played your hand too soon. Go back and get the rest of the Hendrix team before you "come out" again on me. The Art of War ain't about "meaningful information". Let the best team win and then tell me the truth, because you won't hear it here. Smoochez again. | ||
Fec Member Username: Fec Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 4.165.24.140 |
Someone, please bring some substance to this forum. 'Roughy' is a certifiable, provoking irritant who has absolutely nothing to offer, definately brings nothing to the table, and has no point. Now I've said it, I'm moving up, over and beyond 'A' right now. This is the discussion matter: "Freman Hendrix in the lead". Yes, Mr. Hendrix is leading, but those are numbers and numbers do change. It's just a tadbit too early to call, but it's good to know where the candidates are at this point. It energizes the race! This mayoral race has voters excited, and you can cut the excitement with a knife. I have never seen this much conversation throughtout the city about the candidates and dialogue among voters in decades. There is an aura of civility as citizens talk pro and con about candidates. "By George, I think we finally got it." At least for the time being. These candidates are giving us something of substance to talk about. And boy, we are talking among each other with respect and intellect! As I hear, the drop dead date is May 10th and the horses will be released from their stalls. I'm betting this election season will be about who will be the best persons to cure Detroit's ailments. Not much mudslinging, not much dodging the issues and folks are not going for the okey-doke. I think Detroiters are becoming well-informed, knowledgeable voters. They will keep these candidates on track. What's anyones' thoughts? | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 735 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.61.151 |
Fec, the mudslinging will come from the candidates eventually. Right now you just have to deal with it from McPhail's supporters from this forum. Remember, they love throwing the stuff since they rarely throw out facts to support their arguments. Wow, I guess I just inadvertently threw some mud myself. Go figure. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 297 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Oh Royce...Please the Hendrix people started the mud throwing by constantly ripping on KK and calling McPhail "a witch and Benny N her black cat"... To be fair WE are all guilty of "throwing mud"...saying one group ie. McPhail's group started it is just childish. Fec - Welcome to the group. And thank you for your comments. This is going to be a ROUGH election cycle. The one thing that we all have on common here is that we obviously care and love our city and have respect for the candidate we have chosen to align ourselves with. At this point trying to be all nice and civil ain't gonna work. Let the mud sling,however, ridiculous it can be at times - usually threw the mud I have seen good points made. Honestly there was a point when I might have voted for Freman over KK (I am a McPhail supporter) but folks like Amelia have convinced me that if GOD FORBID" I had a choice between KK and Freman that I would vote for KK. So we can learn from the mud. Again welcome! | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2582 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.87 |
Its not your first time Royce. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 738 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.61.151 |
And, Brian, it won't be my last. However, mine will at least be fair. I can't say that for you. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2585 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.87 |
Royce you now claim that slinging mud is fair? I will remember that for future posts. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 6641 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
I'm really beginning to dig this Royce guy. | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1476 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
Well said Merchantgander. If even a quarter of our politicians were as effective as Duggan, other cities would come to Metro-Detroit as a model of how to get things done. Its insane for someone to say that Duggan was handed success at the DMC. There was a tidal wave of red ink before Duggan took over the DMC and within six months it was turned around. The Feds became involved because Duggan wanted them involved. I've seen the man work and its smarts, guts, and incredible management skills. Duggan was the go getter that got things done for the McNamara machine. McNamara was the one that soothed feelings with all the crybabies that Duggan made look bad as he circumvented their do nothing programs and incompetent "leaders". In Duggan's world, let me get back to you on that translates to I haven't been doing my job so ignore any input I might ever have on that topic. We can't do that means we are afraid to do it and don't expect us to provide any help at all. They call him the pitbull because when he gets an idea he will bite into it and not let it go. If Duggan promised 5000 abandoned houses would be torn down, they would have. If Duggan promised the MCD would be renovated, it would have. If Duggan were Mayor and didn't want a state takover of DPS, he would have found a way to have the state takover the shell and Detroit to maintain the core under some new department. I have never heard Duggan ever complain of his plans falling victim to outside forces. How many others that tried to fill his shoes before or after he's held a position can say the same thing? | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1477 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
BTW Brian, I find it hard to believe that a recent Michigan Supreme Court Justice couldn't win this easy case that you have made up in your head. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Intern so true. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 2897 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.252.70.198 |
In response to an above statement: Detroiters have always been "well-informed, knowledgeable voters", contrary to newcomer beliefs. Mayhaps the voting patterns run contrary to the beliefs of some white folk!! Go figure ..... on Blackness Black-atcha ..... | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 6649 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.226 |
So you're are completely satisfied with the mayor and current CC? | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2204 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.23.226 |
Yeah, Detroiters knew BRC hadn't paid her taxes, had the worst career as a House rep in the history of that body, fired people illegally, got mopped up by now Rep. Kilpatrick, and they still elected her to city council. Well-informed and knowledgeable, yes; smart, no. Go figure on that campaign. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2595 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.68 |
Jmy8, you insult Detroit voters. That is alot of people. Over 100k people versus just one of you. You think you are that smart and that you know enough to write your post above? That is arrogant. I guess you should be able to pick the politicians that will do well on all counts. Is Bush your choice? Is Granholm your choice? How about Stabenow or Levin? Then what of your community, did you get the county commissioners you wanted or the county exec? | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2213 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.52.218 |
If you feel insulted, Brian, maybe it's because you voted for her. This I know: she didn't pay her taxes, fired an employee illegally, has the worst record of any House Rep in the 200-odd years of Congress, and got her clock cleaned by Rep. Kilpatrick. I was smart enough not to vote for her. If you don't want to feel insulted, Brian, don't vote for bad candidates. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2599 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.97 |
Let's not forget how the DetNews lied about her on their front page a few days before the election. Jmy8, perhaps you are not as smart as you think you are. As I said, more folks voted for her than against her. Go figure on how you don't pick a good candidate. Bad candidates don't win. | ||
Amelia Member Username: Amelia Post Number: 412 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 4.229.120.33 |
Brian: "Bad candidates don't win". That's really GREAT news for some of us!!! | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2214 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.52.218 |
Ah, so now we're talking about good "candidates" rather than good "politicians" or good "voters." I'll give her credit for, what, running on name recognition? Cause she didn't run on her horrible record if that's the case. Those funny billboards with the funky, superstitious Chinese symbols? So, are voters knowledgeable or did more of them know so little they pluncked for the funny-looking-bilboard woman with the name they recognized? Was this part of her plan? Is she taking advantage of voters lack of knowledge? Even this dumb bunny is smart enough to see through your bait and switch, Brian. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 3184 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.171.251 |
"As I said, more folks voted for her than against her." Looking at these unofficial results from the 2001 election from the News website (the official City website doesn't have election results from before 2002 as far as I can tell, and I don't expect an incredible variance from the official results in an election this small, at least not that much that would void my argument) shows a whole hell of alot of people who voted "against" BRC instead of for her.... And your claim of "over 100k" people who voted for her? False. She came up short of that number by over 5000 votes. She in fact garnered the 2nd fewest number of votes amongst the 9 elected, the fewest going to everyone's favorite Councilman, Alonzo Bates... http://www.detnews.com/2001/po litics/results/detroit.htm City Council (9 elected; 4-year term; $81,000 a year; $85,000 for president a year) Alonzo W. Bates 75,722 Avery James Bradley 48,145 Sandra Pace Campbell 37,667 Hansen Clarke 60,118 Ken Cockrel, Jr. 132,202 Sheila M. Cockrel 114,967 Barbara-Rose Collins 93,455 Bettie J. Cook-Scott 60,451 Kay Everett 94,237 Kenneth L. Holowell 44,499 Kwame Kenyatta 74,278 Maryann Mahaffey 139,786 Veronica Massey 50,404 Sharon McPhail 130,375 David Murray 46,271 Brenda M. Scott 130,840 Felix Sharpe 34,661 Alberta Tinsley-Talabi 104,840 Concrete facts, Brian. Not something you're familiar with, I know. But here they are. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2603 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.97 |
OK, oops. That is alot of people. Over 93k people versus just one of you. Feel Better? jmy8, you are the one who mentioned good vs bad candidates. IF you don't know what you want to say, take your time, consult your dictionary and then post the term you really mean. All politicians are 'good' to those 'good' people who VOTED. Who cares what you saw or wanted. She won, get over it. If you don't like it RUN for the city council. Let's see how many votes you get. Betcha can't even get a majority on this site to vote for you. | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2215 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.52.44 |
But if I got even one person to vote for me I'd be a good politician by your measure, Brian. Then it would just be what you have to say about me as a poltician versus what that person has to say about me as politician. But let's think about this. . . How many people didn't vote for BRC? 800K? So what you're saying here, Brian -- what with the tax evasion, illegal firing, abysmal job record, inability to keep her seat -- is that BRC is a good politcian but a horrible person. Man, even I didn't sink as low as you do. And think of the arrogance! Now you're talking for 93K voters! Those are some big shoes to fill. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 6685 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
First we had Histeric vs LMichigan, now we got Jmy8 vs Brian. Good Stuff! | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2605 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.97 |
jmy8, you can't be a politician if you don't win an election. When was the last time there was 800k voters in Detroit? Further, you seek to judge Council Woman Collins on her job as a US Congress Woman in her current role of City Council member. None of what you say she did has been alleged during her years as a council member. When Collins wins re-election without your vote, repeat your post above. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 3186 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.171.251 |
"jmy8, you can't be a politician if you don't win an election. " So, Sharon McPhail wasn't a politician until 2001? | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2216 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.23.228 |
Now you're qualifying this statement? If your horse were to lose the election would he or she be any less a politician? Sounds fickle to me. How inconsistent can any one voter who speaks for 100K voters be? If 800K extra people were to have voted, Brian, it's obvious that they wouldn't have voted for BRC. I mean, even if children could vote, I'm sure they have the wherewithal to see through a name-recognition election. I have faith that they're knowledgeable. Maybe it's the 93K voters who weren't knowledgeable. But, yeah, like the uncle I never cared for used to say, "Best to give trice-time crooks and malingerers a fourth chance." | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3330 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.145 |
Clearly this polling information is biased because it did not include the Lemmonses in the choices given to voters. We all know that if voters were given the option the Power of Three (Lamars) would blow the rest of the field away. But Helmut, Mrs. Snead, and Saturday are far to afraid of the Lemmonses campaign so that conspired together to keep them off the ballot. | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2218 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.24.197 |
Would the Lemonseseses run as one candidate or three? How would we tell which one won and which two weren't actually politicians? This is so existential. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3332 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.173 |
They would run as one candidate but all they serve jointly as co-Mayors. Lyndon LaRouche would serve as an economic advisor. Helmut, Mrs. Snead, and Saturday can't match that package. (Message edited by Jelk on April 14, 2005) | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 590 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.22.249 |
What's with the "Wednesday"? He looks more like a "Pugsley" to me. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3334 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.173 |
Sorry brain fart I meant Saturday. Children in western Africa are often named after the day of the week they are born. The name Kwame means Saturday. Why is Kilpatrick trying to hide that fact? Why are all these candidates hiding their real names. Mrs. David Snead wants to deny that fact. Helmut Freman Hendrix doesn't want people to know his name is Helmut. On and on. Why all the lies. The Lemmonses don't lie. A LaMar Lemmons is a LaMar Lemmons. Power of Three...no lie! (Message edited by Jelk on April 14, 2005) | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 597 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.22.249 |
Oh, I though maybe Wednesday was reserved for recuperating from last weekend's partying and preparation for next weekend's boozefest. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 1532 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
Jelk is too funny!!! | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3335 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.173 |
Humor will be a key element of my campaign for Congress but first I need to concentrate on assisting the Power of Three! | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 601 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.50.197 |
You wish you had the Power of One. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2637 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.69 |
Tuesday Kwame presented his budget to the city council. That same day in the evening, Hendrix had a radio interview where he agreed with the mayor. This is the second time (this year) that Hendrix has agreed with the mayor. The other time was on the pension bonds. If Hendrix agrees with Kilpatrick on these important decisions, why would anyone have to vote for Hendrix when Kwame is doing things right according to Hendrix? | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 939 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.117.31 |
"agreed with the mayor"? Like every friggin' word, comma, tab and space was right off of Freman Hendrix's own IBM Selectric? In Kwame's multi-volume budget presentation (which was not even available to CC until after the mayor started his speech), there is plenty of big ideas to agree with, a boatload of stuff that just won't float, and some proposals that everyone can hate. Kilpatrick finally puts in the budget some reforms that he should have gotten behind 3 years ago. To insist that Freman Hendrix is just like Kwame because his mayorness agrees with Freman Hendrix is sheer foolishness. If such ignorance can win out over logic and critical analysis, then Mrs Snead could stand a chance. But she agrees with much of the mayor's pitch. (Watch her vote for the whole enchilada - will some here then condemn her for being Kwame in a dress? Doubtful, but we can hope.) | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2639 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.69 |
Two things BD, one you repeat that Hendrix and Kilpatrick are similar and share the same ideas. Second, I will predict that Sharon Mcphail will vote against Kilpatrick's budget. She will vote for a City Council budget if the city council change Kilpatrick's budget to be more responsible. Those big ideas to agree with are what got the city where it is today from both Kilpatrick and Archer. Even Hendrix has said that too many tax inventives were awarded. Perhaps he was referring to Compuware who said they didn't want or need any tax incentives but got them anyway. | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 941 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.117.31 |
"She will vote for a City Council budget if the city council change Kilpatrick's budget to be more responsible. Those big ideas to agree with are what got the city where it is today." Like sharon giving herself and every CC member a big fat raise and excessive bloated office budgets every single year? Yeah, you go girl. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 202 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Bin you are misinformed: City Council has RETURNED money from it's budget every year for the past 3 years. Also, there have been NO raises, and a pay cut (per kwame) this year. Not saying CC isn't innefectual for MANY reasons...just wated to correct you on these KEY poitns. Cheers | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 942 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
CC returned money it didn't use from the annually bigger pot it annually voted for itself. The fact that it returned $ unused only proves that they are wasteful. They have in fact spent more each year than the year before. And when they allocated money to themselves that they didn't need, some other line item didn't get funded. For accuracy, let's check the numbers: 2002-2003 adopted budget - $16,586,423 total for CC, w/ $14,1148,510 from the general fund (the balance coming from block grants, but that could also mean some other item didn't get the money). CC had 106 budgeted positions (with 99 to be paid from the general fund and 7 positions from block grants). In total, almost 12 staffers for each of the 9 council members (or 13.25 each for the 7 mos between Brenda Scott's death in September '02 and Joann Watson's election in April 2003). 2003-2004 adopted budget - $18,293,759, w/ $16,490,584 from the general fund. Compare with 02-03 and notice that this year's figures are, well, bigger. Much bigger. 109 budgeted positions, but no block grant employees however. Still over 12 positions per council member. @004-2005 adopted budget - $16,930,373, with only $25,000 from block grants. The net tax cost to Detroit taxpayers is thus still bigger than 03-04. Number of positions is 108, or an average of 12 per CCperson (Kay Everett died in November 2003, but her staffers are still on the City's payroll. Spread them out over the surviving 8 CC people gives them 13.25 staffers each). As to the "pay cut"? Like the party-that-wasn't, "never happened." After much delay in getting to a vote and even further delay in the effective date, CC voted to reduce their overall budget by an amount reminiscent of the amount that they didn't spend last year. In other words, they are merely giving back early the fat from this year's allocation. Big deal. Saying CC is inneffectual for MANY reasons...and wanted to correct you on these KEY points. Cheers | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 944 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Forgot to add that CC requested $17,525,810 for 2005-2006. Oh, and an increase from the 104 actual positions on 4/1/05 to 108 for fy 50-06. Fiscal responsibilty? Yeah, right. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 308 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Bin - You must work in the finance dept of the city OR you have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 948 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Wrong on both counts. http://www.ci.detroit.mi.us/bu dget/default.htm | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1499 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
Bin- There are some of us like being provided with information that supports claims. Thanks for the data and the link. | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 973 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
Just trying to help. |
