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Ilovedetroit
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The Michigan Citizen did two excellent stories today (well not for Hendrix) on who he really is! The second story also front page talks about the web site on Hendrix www.whoisfremanhendrix.com

If you have not bought your copy do so! About time he is being unveiled for who he REALLY is.

http://www.michigancitizen.com /default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1 &twindow=&mad=&sdetail=1837&wp age=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=& ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reop tion=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=& rebed=&rebath=&subname=
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Metrodetguy
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Shady, shady, shady..."Ilovedetroit" using the "Michigan Citizen" as a source for anything. Remember, this is the same "source" that characterized the police killer as "pummeling" a witness in court, when every other news outlet (video footage) clearly showed the defendant lunging (and missing) at the man.

Also the same "source" that described that same cop killer as "boldly saying", "This is a mistake!" when he was arrested, when every other media outlet (video and audio) clearly showed him to be crying and wimpering stating, "It was a mistake!".

...And this is not to mention your lack of credibility "Ilovedetroit".
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Itsjeff
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Yes, it's important to remember that Ilovedetroit is the real story here. Not the allegations against Hendrix.
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Ilovedetroit
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Metro - My point is the MC is VERY well read by a lot of Detroiters - maybe not he ones you hang out with. Pick up a copy...there is another story in their on Hendrix not on the online vesion. The FREEP and News won't print anything against their favorite son! But the MC at least reports!
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Brian
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That is a good catch Itsjeff.

MD and BD has used the michigan citizen when they did a not too flattering story on Sharon Mcphail a few issues back and posted those links here online.


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These included a HUD audit of the housing department which alleged that Archer and relatives of both Archer and Hendrix mishandled over $18 million in federal funds for the HOPE VI project as they privatized the department. Hendrix’s sister Terese Hendrix Walton, now his campaign treasurer, administered Detroit’s HOPE VI at the time.




What is that about relatives that kwame haters always use against the mayor???
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Metrodetguy
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Nice try ItsJeff. The issue is credibility or lack thereof. There is plenty of lack of credibility between "The Michigan Citizen" and "Ilovedetroit". Trying to divert from that fact only enhances the level of dishonesty.
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Ilovedetroit
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HAHAHA...Metro you are so silly.
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Itsjeff
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We all agree that Ilovedetroit needs a good smacking. But as to the article, I'd like to see someone deny the allegations instead of rip on the paper that published them.
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Ilovedetroit
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Hey now...don't smack me I am a nice girl, uhhh guy, uhhh black person uhhh white I mean....

Metro - That was just a little joke for you to make you smile again. I worry that you will get so stressed out that you will develop severe frown lines!
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Brian
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Looks like Hendrix will attack the Michigan Citizen and then hope this story goes away. Will it Work?

How many Detroit institutions will the Hendrix team attack? They have attacked the council of baptists pastors, other pastors who are supporting Kilpatrick, the Michigan Citizen and some say that the DFT is angry that Hendrix supporters are so cozy with Dr. Burnley. Can they attack everybody?
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Metrodetguy
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ItsJeff, again credibility matters. False allegations on this Hendrix story, previous false accounts of other stories, sponsoring and promoting the "Sambo Awards", and blatant lack of journalistic objectivity, are four+ strikes against "The Michigan Citizen" so I don't know how much more "proof" you want.
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Ilovedetroit
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Typical Hendrix tactic he can't get someone to believe his f**kin lies so he says they are lying. Time will tell...there is more crap on St Hendrix out there and it will be coming out. This guy is such a joke and people fall for him.
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Rasputin
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quote:

Citizens paid Archer’s $239,330 travel bill


Dennis Archer

By Allison Jones
The Michigan Citizen

Mayor Dennis Archer and his deputy mayor Freman Hendrix make Kwame Kilpatrick look like a choirboy when it comes to charging city credit cards for travel and hotels.

While a public outcry followed recent revelations that Kilpatrick charged $9000 on the city credit card, Archer’s charges totaled $239,330 for a three year period.

From restaurant bills at a Boca Raton, Florida hotel, to $578 for a night in the Joe Louis Executive Suite, to a $3600 Honolulu visit in the winter of 1998, Archer flew high and slept well at taxpayers’ expense.

Yes, Council President Maryanne Mahaffey said, Mayor Dennis Archer had a city-issued card.

“In 1998, Mayor Archer asked the council to approve credit cards for department heads and the mayor. We refused to give any except to the mayor,” Mahaffey said.

While the council approved the mayor’s use of a card, it did not have oversight on what was charged to the card.

It would take a charter change, Mahaffey said, to provide checks and balances over credit card expenditures. The council has no say over the mayor’s travel expenses, they become part of the general lump sum of office expenses.

The Auditor General’s office is too short-staffed to do the level of auditing necessary to examine charges listed on city credit cards, Mahaffey said.

According to city records obtained by The Michigan Citizen from an anonymous source, Archer’s airline and hotel expenses soared over a three year period. In 1998, citizens reimbursed some $40,000.00 in travel expenses. In 1999 the bills totaled $132,000.00 and in 2000, travel and entertainment bills cost citizens $67,000.00

Costs to taxpayers ranged from as much as $25,735. in Sept. 1999 to a low of $834 in August of 1998.

Archer had the taxpayers pay the $800.00 fee to attend the American Bar Association Convention in 1999. After leaving office in Detroit, Archer was elected president of the ABA.

Entertainment and restaurant expenses do not show up frequently on the city’s bill. According to a Free Press report, Archer had use of a privately funded credit card while in office. Only the business contributors who funded that card know what additional expenses the Archer administration racked up on that credit card.

Hendrix is running for mayor with his former boss’ endorsement. He claims he was “six steps” from his former boss, but says he did not travel much as deputy mayor.

“I was an inside guy. I was negotiating collective bargaining agreements. I did not do much travel,” Hendrix said.

He refused to comment on the controversy surrounding Kilpatrick’s travel bills.

He did say extravagant travel would not happen if he is elected.

“Any kind of extravagant travel is inappropriate when you’re on the tax payer dollar. I think technology affords us to do telephone conferences. Extravagance should never enter into the picture when you are involved with tax paper dollars,” Hendrix said.

While working with Archer and in the years since, Hendrix has not exposed or condemned the amount of travel by Archer.

Next Week: Details of Archer’s credit card use.


Seems as though Kilpatrick's expenses weern't as bad, as depicted in the "fishwrap", compared to the white folks' luv boi Dennis Archer. Read it and weep, since Hendrix has NO COMMENTS regarding his boss ..... 6 stepss from the top?? As Dep Mayor and Campaign Manager?? hmmmmmm, not as I remember that or the memos that designated lines of authority when Archer was out of town!! Smells like rotten fish there .....

Black-atcha ....
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Ilovedetroit
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Like I have been saying for months shit will eventually float to the top!
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Danny
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Like the songwriter says, " LIES,LIES,LIES yeah!" Like I said to all of you before, THERE'S IS NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT HENDRIX SCREW UP THE DPS BOARD OF EDUCATION" Even if this information is somehow leaked out to the local media.
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Metrodetguy
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"According to city records obtained by The Michigan Citizen from an anonymous source..."

Once again very shady claims coming from "The Michigan Citizen". Remember, this is the same "newspaper" that sponsored and promoted "The Sambo Awards". Also, remember, this is the same "newspaper" that was advocating for a cop killer using erroneous reports of both his testimony as well as actions in the courtroom.

Kilpatrick's office claims that they can't find half of their own records nor any of Archer's, yet somehow "The Michigan Citizen" obtained "the lost records" through "an anonymous source". Funny that the credit card information is a matter of public record, not needing any "anonymous sources".
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Brian
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MD, then why didn't Archer or Hendrix release those records when the credit card controversy began to air? Both of them were to quick to claim innocence but neither of them would reveal their records.

All Archer has to do (and Hendrix) is reveale their records. If they are different than what the Michigan Citizen has printed you can call it shady. But you know that these records are fact regardless of the source.
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Brian
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quote:

Entertainment and restaurant expenses do not show up frequently on the city’s bill. According to a Free Press report, Archer had use of a privately funded credit card while in office. Only the business contributors who funded that card know what additional expenses the Archer administration racked up on that credit card.




Who paid Archer while he was in Office. Those expenses Archer racked up on this private card are supposed to be recorded as political donations. BUT THEY NEVER WERE! The only time Archer does not have to declare his donations are when its his own money or income from employment. Was Archer employed by this 'fund' when he was mayor? OR is it as reported that others paid Archer's credit card bill? That is money undeclared and Archer is in violation of the Campaign Finance Laws.
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Metrodetguy
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Brian, you're misrepresenting facts again. City credit card records do not belong to (now) private citizens, therefore, not "their" records. Again, the credit card records are kept by the city, not private individuals.

And again, back to my points:

Kilpatrick's office claims that they can't find half of their own records nor any of Archer's, yet somehow "The Michigan Citizen" obtained "the lost records" through "an anonymous source". Funny that the credit card information is a matter of public record, not needing any "anonymous sources".

"But you know that these records are fact regardless of the source."

On the contrary, as I've said many times before, credibility counts. Quite simply, "The Michigan Citizen" has not demonstrated that quality.

By the way, your entire claim of "Archer campaign finance violations with a card" doesn't make any sense. It's about 10 different "concepts" spliced together with various conspiracy theories, and just plain dishonest accusations.
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Metrodetguy
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By the way...

Another glaring dishonest claim by "The Michigan Citizen"

"While a public outcry followed recent revelations that Kilpatrick charged $9000 on the city credit card, Archer’s charges totaled $239,330 for a three year period."

...Funny how Kilpatrick's $210,000+ "magically shrunk" to only $9,000
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Rasputin
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Damn .... the boi is backed up so far into the corner, he posts twice in a row; kinda like a small-fat-ass-rat-that's-schit ting-on-himself!! roflmbao

Black-atcha .....
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Ilovedetroit
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Ras - Metro knows that walls of goodness are crumbling around St. Freman...I hear the TV ads that McPhail is running are VERY good against Freman.
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Brian
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That is correct ILD, MD puts food, hotel and travel charges for KK in comparison with just travel charges for Archer on city cards.

Archer accepted money from private sources and never reported them as donations. Why? he is required to report any money accepted outside of his own income. Its not illegal for him to hold a second job while mayor. But it would have been nice to tell the voters. Will he tell folks now or will he and Hendrix (his former employee) hide behind accusations against the Michigan Citizen? Eventually somebody will force Hendrix to confront these facts.
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Metrodetguy
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Simply amazing Brian. You can't even be honest about your ("The Michigan Citizen") own bogus report.

...I really should try that "American Bar Association Airline". Maybe I'll make reservations on "Boca Raton, FL Hotel Airlines". Maybe "Joe Louis Executive Suite Airline"? Etc.

Now that another one of your lies (about a lie) has been thoroughly dismissed, you still haven't accounted for the previous questions.

1. How did Kilpatrick's $210,000+ shrink to $9000?

2. Kilpatrick's office claims that they can't find half of their own records nor any of Archer's, yet somehow "The Michigan Citizen" obtained "the lost records" through "an anonymous source"?

3. City credit card information is a matter of public record, not needing to be obtained by an "anonymous source".

4. Cite the campaign finance laws that you speak of and their specific applicability of the private fund.

5. "Explain" how private citizens would have City controlled records in their possession?
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Helfy
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NICE CHAPTER 2 UPDATE on www.whoisfremanhendrix.com
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Bratt
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Interesting.....MD....is this all a lie as well? Did someone make this up too? Please,let us all know. And if so, why are there so many lies being told about Freman? If he is such a great person and the right man for the job, it seems like everyone would be loving him right now, not putting stuff like this out there all the time.
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Ilovedetroit
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Yeah Metro Bratt makes a good point...let hear your professional PR spin on this one?
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Quinn
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so there is a condo in Florida...heh. This one wasn't a rumor/lie...Lowell do you think this is bad?

I agreed with your statement yesterday regarding this not being a bad thing (alot of people have time shares)...but looking at it now makes me think twice. This isn't a time share. It is alot of money to be able to pay for a second home. Even if he's going to rent it out when they are not there. I think you have to have money to front for something like that.

Here's what interests me and I think might just be rumor: "Ed McNamara bought a home in Florida while he was the County Executive. In fact, its right down the street from Freman. Did they plan it or is it a big coincidence?" So why not put that info there. If he's all chummy chummy with McNamara, enough so to spend retirement time with him...or vacation time...then that's a problem. McNamara was a crook...that association would look bad for him.

Where is Morena???? MORENA!!! (Who was they other Kiplatrick poster? I can't remember)
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Quinn
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Hey were Freman's parents wealthy? Or successful enough to leave him money? Metro or other people who know Freman...seriously not joking here...just wanted to know if you knew (not attacking so please don't freak out) ;P
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Is Hendrix's wife Elaine Lewis, Vice President of Public Affairs and Strategic Planning for the Tigers?

If she is Hendrix's wife, I'm sure her salary as a baseball executive would make the condo within their reach.
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Ilovedetroit
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I don't think the point is that they can afford or not afford on her salary (and yes that is on here that was reported months ago that she works for the Illitch family)...the point is that they Freman outsourced jobs to a company Strategic Staffing Solutions. Then he bought with his wife a condo for 820k...partially or fully based off this business dealing. Doesn't that strike you odd? Jobs given away - he goes to work for them - they pay him - he buys condo. Sounds VERY fishy to me and a little Kwamelike. The site has to be funded by Kilpatrick friends they are trying to deflect from KKs lifestyle onto Freman's ... well it looks like two peas in a pod to me.
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Yep she is an executive for Illitch. Hmm...you think enough for a second home for that much?

Has she been an executive for the whole time Freman was working in the public sector? Ro, where else has she worked?
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I have no idea, that's why I wanted to confirm if she was the same person.

Working the math backwards (assuming their house is paid off, and no significant debt, no money down): to qualify for a $820k mortgage, you need a household income of roughly $328K.

Hendrix made over $100K when he was deputy mayor, and probably made more when he went to Strategic Staffing Solutions.

That means his wife would have to make roughly $220K to qualify for the mortgage. Being an executive, it wouldn't surprise me if she made a salary (forgive the pun) in that ballpark. That said, I have no idea what her work history or experience is.

Could something untoward have happened? Sure. But, for now, there is no proof. Just allegations.
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Does it matter? I know people who make less than that who live frugally and are able to afford material goods seemingly out of their reach. This is really getting weird. Give it a rest already.
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I think you are missing the point. He outsourced jobs while DM and then went to work for the same company that he oursourced jobs to. That is a fact. While there he "made lots of money" I am sure the money was made legally...however, his actions are not very supportive of Detroiters who lost jobs because of his actions.

Where did Ms Lewis- Hendrix work before she came to the Illitch family? And what qualifies her other than a name to make 220k for Illitch. I personally could not sell myself to those slum lords - but 220k a year is a lot of hot dogs and pizza to sell at a game!
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So Bratt...The Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, Crain's Detroit Business, Channel 2, Channel 4, Channel 7, WJR, WWJ, Mastercard, City Auditor Joe Harris, the New Orleans Convention Bureau (Super Bowl), and the Las Vegas Resort Hotel where Kilpatrick stayed, among others, are all lying...and "The Michigan Citizen", "Ilovedetroit", and "Whoisfreemanhendrix.com" are accurate sources of information?
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ILD: here's an update who is Freman Hendrix Chapters 1, 2, & 3.

Enjoy

Black-atcha .....
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Rasputin, You Black Archie Bunker! Here you go again with those political " LIES LIES LIES, YEAH!" All of those reports are just allegations.

(Message edited by danny on June 29, 2005)
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Brian
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MD, you can't be honest about Archer's bills? You seek to ignore Archer's wrongdoing while you continue on KK's. They both charged me alot of money. But Archer lied when he said he didn't do it while he went on the radio and criticized KK.
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BOTTOM LINE: KK and FH both don't have clean hands!! That site is proof enough for me.
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Metrodetguy
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Brian, speaking of "being honest about Archer's bills", why do the (false) allegations keep changing? "The Michigan Citizen" claims "$239,330 for a three year period" yet Kilpatrick said at the Fox2 debate that it was "$280,000 for a two year period". Also, Kilpatrick has stated that his administration "cannot find half of their own records, in addition to all of those from the Archer Administration". Were they "found" and (still) not released (in further violation of the FOIA)? This in addition to the question of how public records can be "obtained from an anonymous source"?
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Brian
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MD, you do not quote but seek to speak for others. the Freep did an FOIA on a specific period of time and received their records. They reported a number for Archer that covered a different time frame than that of the Michigan citizens report. neither covered Archer's full term. KK was not asked for clarification. hendrix merely tried to sidestep the issue. Perhaps you should demand the records from KK to see if he has something to back up his claims. But I suspect that since Hendrix frequently says no comment on Archer's dealings that he doesn't really want to get into the issue and really discuss the records.
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MD, looks like you;ve been talking shit in typical fashion.
http://www.freep.com/news/locw ay/kilp2e_20050702.htm
The freep had the records but never ran a story? Except to Back Up Archer and then they release it as an editorial. The freep has sunk to the lowest journalistic standards anywhere.

quote:

The newspaper's review of the same records on which Kilpatrick based his claim -- made in a debate Thursday night -- show that Archer charged $219,605.28 during a 24-month period.



That line would have made their KK coverage look moot. Even when they try to clean it up,

quote:

Taxpayers footed an even smaller bill -- $178,435.82 -- after refunds for charges he put on the card are considered.




By the freep's numbers,
KK's average was $70K per year.
Archer's average was $109K per year and after the freep tried to clean it up it went to $90k per year. Still higher than KK's numbers. Which is why I'll assume KK's people said that Archer still spent more and that Hendrix had no comment.

MD, let's see you post a discredit on the freep. This makes your attacks on the Michigan Citizen null and void. Except for your hatefulness.

Why does the freep sit on information and pick and choose whom to criticize? They have not publicly endorsed anyone but it would appear, as some have stated, that they support Hendrix politically. They just tried to clean up the accusation by the mayor.

But the freep has ALL of Archer's records. Will they post the total amount Archer charged to his CARDS? Because by Archer's own mouth he had more than one card.
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Llyn
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I don't care how much money was put on a credit card. I care what they spent it on.........



"A month later, Kilpatrick, his wife and children, their babysitter, the mayor's personal assistant, Beatty and her family and their police bodyguards checked into the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

They didn't stay long.

Walt Harris, a former Kilpatrick police bodyguard, said he arrived with the mayor, who flew in to meet his family at the MGM, which also owns a casino in Detroit.

They found first lady Carlita Kilpatrick complaining about the accommodations, Walt Harris told the Free Press last week.

"She was hot. I'd never seen her like this before," he said. "I guess she was done an injustice by having a small room." The mayor also was upset, Harris said.

He "marched right into the VIP reception or office area. I remember him speaking with the representative there stating he needed a large suite for his wife and kids and saying he was the mayor of Detroit," he said.

The representative told the Kilpatricks that larger accommodations had not been approved, Harris said. That's when the mayor made a telephone call.

"He ended up calling somewhere else," Harris said. "We ended up going over to the Luxor ... this guy came over and picked us up in a limo.""



-------and---------



"The receipts show, among other room charges, a fee of $5,450 a night for a suite on two consecutive days. The records show the hotel credited back $10,741.95.

After the hotel credit, Kilpatrick still put $6,256.97 on the city credit card. Beatty said the city is disputing the cost of the suite, but provided no documentation, saying some of the city's disputes over charges have been handled over the phone.

Some other charges the administration has disputed show up in correspondence provided to the newspaper and on MasterCard statements.

The receipt for the babysitter's stay at the MGM Grand was missing from the city's documents. The Free Press found it in the auditor's records.

This April -- nearly three years after the trip and on the same day the city agreed to turn over records to the Free Press -- Kilpatrick wrote the city a check for $261.54 for the

babysitter's room at MGM.

Harris is no longer a Detroit police officer. He sued Kilpatrick and alleged that the mayor retaliated against him for speaking out about the way Kilpatrick's security team was run. Harris said the mayor worked hard in Las Vegas promoting Detroit at the shopping convention.

But for the first lady and the children, "it was basically vacation for them."

The city credit card was billed $705.30 in food, including three trips to the "Pharaoh's Pheast" buffet. Other charges included $17.12 at the pool shop, $33.30 at the Oasis Bar, $120 at the spa shop and $145 at Kristina's Beauty Shop.

"When the mayor traveled, he lived large," Walt Harris said.

Beatty said the mayor reimbursed the city for the pool, bar, spa and beauty shop charges. A check covering that amount was among those written on the day the city said it would turn documents over to the Free Press.

"If you have things on there like charges for spas, I pay for those personally," Kilpatrick said Monday.

Former Mayor Dennis Archer said he remembered taking one trip to Nevada for negotiations and said other city officials may have gone a couple additional times.

Archer said he did not charge personal items to his hotel bill.

"I tried to guide my actions as mayor by the judicial standards" of ethics, Archer said Monday, "And that is to try to avoid the appearance of impropriety."



http://www.freep.com/news/locw ay/kilp17e_20050517.htm

BY M.L. ELRICK and JIM SCHAEFER
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS
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Metrodetguy
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Brian, you are not at all credible. You cite "The Michigan Citizen" as a "source" (despite their record of inaccuracy) while twisting a "Free Press report" while also calling them dishonest. Again, why do the (false) allegations keep changing? Why can't you keep your stories straight?

Again, the question has to be raised about the collusion between the Kilpatrick campaign and the McPhail campaign to attack Hendrix. Very shady. Kilpatrick won't release half of his own credit card records nor any of Archer's records so that he can continue to make false allegations about Archer's (and Hendrix's) record.
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Ilovedetroit
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Metro - The way I look at the Kilpatrick/McPhail attack on Hendrix is simple. During WW2 the US and Russia - who did not like each other at all teamed up against Germany - the true evil to defeat them. McPhail and Kilpatrick are Russia and the US .... and Germany is Hendrix. Even though they don't like each other they hate Hendrix more.

Why do they dislike him. Because Hendrix is a fake and a phony. He takes all the credit for the good. He takes no credit for the bad and then passes the buck to Archer. He is a liar and he is nothing more than a better looking older Kwame. People are finally realizing it! Some friends of mine R and C were at a party last night. There were four McPhail supporters there with 20 some Hendrix supporters. By the end of the night all the Hendrix people were anxious to learn more about McPhail. They thought she had done better in the debate and were beginning to realize they were only interested in Freman because "he worked for Archer" - if I had a dollar for everytime I heard that I would be rich! BOTTOMLINE. Hendrix's support is sliding - people are finally realizing he is an empty suit!
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Metrodetguy
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Wow, a paid McPhail campaign staffer finally admits that the Kilpatrick and McPhail campaigns are collaborating in a campaign of negative (and false) attacks on Hendrix. This is certainly big news, hopefully the media picks up on this. Bottom line, Kilpatrick and McPhail are one in the same, making McPhail more of the same.

Quite simply, Kilpatrick and McPhail are responsible for the mess of the last 3 and a half years, of course they would team up to attack the person that was a part of the progess that took place prior to their terms in office. Hendrix is the candidate that represents both REAL change as well as a return to previous success.

By the way, once again, spare us another story about "something you saw/heard about at an function/event" or about "Hendrix supporters switching to McPhail". Bottom line, no one believes anything that you say.
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Ilovedetroit
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HAHAHAHA since when did I become a "paid" McPhail campaign staff member? I thought that was your job Metro. No I am just a volunteer who enjoys doing what I am doing for the betterment of Detroit AND ... I did not say the McPhail/Kipatrick camps were together I said "the way I see it" that is my theory but I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that they both hate Freman. McPhail has been kicking KK'ass for 4 years now she is doing it to Freman who RICHLY deserves it. McPhail attacks him on issues and then nails him on lies when she can. And KK sent out that nice mailer that everyone is talking about. Something about Hendrix being a tax cheat? I can't wait to see it.
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quote:

Mayoral use of the city's credit card has been an issue since the Free Press reported in May that Kilpatrick spent more than $211,000 on the card in less than three years in office. The charges included spa visits, personal items and pricey meals at swanky restaurants.


In 1998, the newspaper reported that Archer spent $235,000 on the credit card in his first 4 1/2 years in office.




It seems odd to me that the Free Press is comparing numbers that aren't that much different if you take cost of living adjustments into account. They are trying to make a case against the mayor by comparing expenses from 1992-1996 to 2002-2005?

Show me a pie gragh from both administrations detailing how the costs break out in percentages for hotels, food, conferences, travel, etc. side by side and let me decide what's what. Show me what we gained from these expenses.

If the media ever really took the time to write comprehensive and accurate news, the public may just get a shot at making an informed decision. Instead we get skewed coverage while they bank on the fact that we are too stupid and distracted to question the content.

It's insulting really.
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Brian
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 1:19 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MD "you're being dishonest" that wasn't a freep report, it was an editorial. ALSO the freep, your news source you deem credible, has stated that they have ALL of Archer's records and ALL of KK's records. Or did you not read the published words?

Why did Dennis Archer lie about his credit card expenses?