  Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 671 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 67.101.190.144 |
I thought you all might find this to be interesting reading. Also check out the details on the crime and tax plan (reduction in city taxes). Thanks http://www.sharonandbenny.com | ||
Bucho Member Username: Bucho Post Number: 306 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.41.112.201 |
Stratey? Is that the same thing as strategery? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 7569 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
A strategermockery? How come this isn't under the "Super Mayor" thread? There is a "start new thread" link at the bottom of that. I'll get the admins to move it ASAP. | ||
Andy Member Username: Andy Post Number: 222 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.218.76.195 |
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Spitty Member Username: Spitty Post Number: 319 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 136.2.1.153 |
Details? What details? | ||
Belleislerunner Member Username: Belleislerunner Post Number: 126 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.204.141.208 |
"Guaranteeing paid college tuition for all Detroit high school graduates" All talk, no action. There's no way the city could afford this. Hopefully no one is naive enough to believe their rhetoric! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 672 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Read the crime and tax plans they are on line. Look to the right of the screen - tax and crime. Now who is "retarded"  http://www.sharonandbenny.com/ ourplan/ourplanfordetroit_taxe s.htm And ooops I accidentally posted outside mayor's room sorry.... | ||
Spidergirl Member Username: Spidergirl Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 72.255.40.209 |
"A back-to-basics approach in transportation, development and city services." This bullet point should have been first on the list, rather than last. And with the city's finances as they are I find it quite amusing to "Guarantee paid college tuition for all Detroit high school graduates." | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 24.39.178.241 |
I thought a plan outlines detailed steps to acheive the goal. Those statements are very vague and sounds like promises instead of an actual plan | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 675 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
The guaranteed college tuition is a plan that will mature over eight years. Monies will be set aside from casino and other revenues. In an account not managed or able to be touched by the mayor but policed by a city council appointee (kind of like the auditor general. ANY child that lives in the city of Detroit and attends a DPS, charter, private or parochial will be eligible AFTER eight years for free tuition and books at any Michigan university. The money that is set aside will mature to cover the cost after eight years and of course more money will need to be added on an annual basis. McPhail looks at this as an investment in our children's future and is part of the OVERALL repopulation strategy to attract citizens from surrounding suburbs back to Detroit. She is also intent on repopulating and re-integrating our school system. More citizens equals more tax revenue. | ||
Jimelnino Member Username: Jimelnino Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.212.211.121 |
That is an astronomical amount of money, I just don't see how they could afford it for EVERY Detroit student. Does any other city do this? I know Arizona has it in their State constitution that education should be "As close to free as possible" and even then the cost is around $1,500 a year (fall & winter semesters) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 676 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
McPhail has stated in all her public announcements that if it is made a priority - and it is number 2 after crime that it will happen. She is very clear that under her administration you will have a budget based NOT on legacy budgeting but on Results Oriented Budgeting. Meaning she will rank the most important to the least important and you fully fund critical/important and you cut with least important. She has said that "maybe you will drive over that pot hole a few more times before it is repaired .. but you children will have hope for a future and you will be safe in your homes at night." She has worked the figures out with appropriate finance firms and it can be done. She states in her news conference that more details will be forthcoming on the Detroit Children's Fund. I agree it is ambitious but when you consider that Detroit has 1.2 billion (I believe that is the budget) and other dollars that flow through the city into the general fund you can make things happen. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 329 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.168.234 |
Crime will be cut 80%, every Detroit student will have a free education, mass transit throughout the region, the city will have over 1,000,000 people in 4 years and the city will have more money then they will know what to do with. Look I can make vague statements to vote Merchantgander for mayor. You know it is going to happen, I said it. P.S. Everyone will love each other too. | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 1774 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.22.18 |
I know specifics are usually pretty hard to come by in political campaigns, but it's really not "too early to discuss" them anymore. We're in mid-June; the primary is in less than 7 weeks. The MBA in me wants to see her financial figures in detail, check the assumptions and see if it'll fly. If it does, I think it's a pretty significant issue. I'd also like to see the financial impact and source of the proposed minimum reduction of 20 mills (10 from Detroit, 10 from elsewhere) in the property tax rate. I read the crime and taxes .pdf files quickly and at first blush I have a favorable take on them. But more detail is needed to actually evaluate the achievability of her plans. BTW, notice how many more people have responded to this thread that was started outside the Mayoral Election superthread area? It's obvious that the superthread has been killed by the stupid, infantile partisian sniping over there. Few bother to check it anymore. When I do on occasion, I'm cured of wanting to look at it for several more days. It's too bad that the Detroit Mayoral Election section on the leading Detroit site has turned into such a mess. Maybe after the primary the two remaining camps will elevate the level of discussion? | ||
Cletus Member Username: Cletus Post Number: 897 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.75.31.141 |
Let me guess. The strategy to repopulate the city is to get everybody fucking like rabbits, right? | ||
Belleislerunner Member Username: Belleislerunner Post Number: 127 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 198.204.141.208 |
2005 DPS students = 140,000 Each grade straightline = 11,000 students Average cost of MI public college = 5,600 Cost per year to Detroit = 62 million Cost for four years (college duration) = 248 million Note, these are recurring costs - not a one time charge. Curious to see where this added $62 million every year will come from. Obviously this scenario shows a 100% graduation rate, and it's currently around 40%. But if she wants to propose a plan, she needs to make sure the city could finance every eligible. The numbers blow you away. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 777 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
I'm running for mayor. Here's my strategy for repopulating Detroit: * Reducing crime by 50%; * Improving education; * Guaranteeing paid college tuition for all Detroit high school graduates; * Reducing taxes; and * A back-to-basics approach in transportation, development and city services. Unlike Sharon McPnail, though, I haven't be able to figure out where the money will come from to implement my program - since the city is on the verge of bankruptcy. Maybe I can copy her ideas on funding for my program, also. Oh wait... | ||
Jimelnino Member Username: Jimelnino Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.212.211.121 |
Its obvious that the funds for this program will come from the proceeds of her sarcastic award ceremonies, DUH! | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 778 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
You know, I just read in detail her discussion on taxes, and it was pretty smartly written. Some of the observations were very thoughtful. I also thought her ideas on where to locate money for tax relief had some merit. (Okay, who are you and what have you done with llyn...) I still think her promises are pie in the sky, though. I don't see 20 mil in tax relief. You could something out of it, but I don't see that much. It would've been nice if, in publishing all those nice shiny charts, she could have supplied one showing which areas the cuts in millage would come from... Also, this will only make it harder to implement all those other programs. Until the city addresses privatization for services like city lighting, and until the city exercises more responsibility and compromise and quits its turf fights over things like DARTA, and until the city lets go of some control over the museums and lets private sponsorship take over, etc., etc., etc. we will never be able to reduce taxes enough to draw residents back into our city. (Message edited by llyn on June 16, 2005) | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2844 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.40 |
ILD, these folks don't know how the city currentl works or what is currently going on so they won't understand this plan. Llyn thinks those things written have merit. BUT the city just dealt with the deficit. Its been covered. AND now that the media can't talk about receivership anymore they are admiting that the city was never close to being bankrupt. That political message by the mayor and an ex-deputy mayor is over. DARTA has proved to be an illegal action. Which is why it has gone nowhere. But no one wants to print that. Finally, Archer already privatized DPL. Detroit buys its power from DTE. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 7584 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Maybe people like Bing, whom she called out, yet contributes a lot to Detroit would help out....or maybe not....since he's a sellout in her book. Voting "Anti-seperatist" come fall. Ain't no room in this city for those who judge one another by the color of their skin. She's 30 years too late for that shit. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 680 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Llyn - Thank you for starting out so positive. Just remember "Rome was not built in a day" ... McPhail has excellent ideas and she had plans to back them up. There is more to come and she is not going to publish every tiny detail at this moment (someone else will just steal it). If you like what you see you will like what is to come. I urge you to come to an event to meet with her and listen to her personally and MOST important ASK QUESTIONS! The 20 mills is possible. Our campaign has several tax acct/lawyers/business owners who are working/worked on the tax plan under McPhail's guidance. This team knows what they are doing. She also has another team working on Crime and the Detroit Children's Fund. As far as privitization goes...she does not believe in it for most city services. She will take alot back into Detroit where it can be controlled. Check out the web site for upcoming events. There are more to come. Thanks for your comments! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 681 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Sport - McPhail NEVER "called out" Bing. They are friends - he is the person who urged her to run for mayor. They may not agree over schooling and how to educate children. It is simple he believes in for profit charter schools she believes in public education. She will tell you if you ask her that they are friends but may disagree on things. Have you ever heard either one say anything bad about each other? And if you believe all that you read in the hack News and FREEP then I want to selll you a bridge in Brooklyn. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 682 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Funding will come from money that is set aside for 8 years and allowed to mature. The money will come from casino revenues and other sources that will not go into the general fund like it does now and where it is controlled by the mayor. The plan has been reviewed by a financial team and is sound. It is a good plan and gives hope to Detroit's children. Also with people moving back we will see an increase in tax base revenue. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 167.194.137.21 |
Regarding this "plan" to repopulate Detroit, the "plan" appears far fetched. How about focusing in on improving the quality of life for individuals already living within the city limits? Programs such as this, if it is even economically feasible, need to be carefully thought out. This sounds more like "feel good" rhetoric whose only purpose is to make people "feel good." This "plan" sounds good in theory and looks good on paper. I'm sure that the majority of people who have left Detroit have simply made up in their minds to not live in the city ever again. Moreover, will there be a Mayoral candidate who will live in their OWN home, drive their OWN vehicle, RESPONSIBLY use the city-issued credit card (or even do away with it altogether), bring their INCOME down to an acceptable porportion to the population represented within the city, and place officers back on the STREETS of DETROIT rather than in a huge security detail, and use discretion in their personal and public lives? | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 783 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
For what it's worth, I was just trying to be fair about her position. I have problems with all three of the front running candidates. In McPhail's case, the black sambo awards is just a part of my issues with Sharon. If she is elected, I sincerely hope there is reason to believe there is reason behind her numbers. If not, it will be interesting to see if she really had the best interest of Detroiters at heart and is willing to share her research. | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1654 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
I'm wondering about how much a candidate really cares about Detroit if her thinking is that she won't reveal her ingeneous ideas that will save the city unless she gets to be mayor. Isn't that what a fear of another candidate stealing your idea is all about? What we really need is someone on city council who can come up with ideas like this. I just know that if someone on the council had these great ideas, they would had have revealed it a long time ago. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 684 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Intern - Are totally ignorant? How many candidates release all details on their plans during a general election? Bush/Kerry/Hendrix none of them have nor will. You don't release everything down to the minor details. For two reasons. 1. Opposition might steal it. 2. Opposition will tear it apart to find a problem so they can make your plan look bad. Trust me Hendrix/KK/Clark and McPhail will never release intimate details on any plan. They will release the general plan with the top hows and whys. Any politician who does not deliver what they say they are going to do will be toast VERY quickly. They know when they are putting together plans they have to be realistic. I am sure McPhail/Hendrix/KK are all being realistic as possible. Although I don't get KKs tax plan NOR do I like it - I understand it in general theory. I don' t like Hendrix's crime plan but I get it and understand it in general theory. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 1940 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
Belleislerunner need to double the figures- Every high school graduate, not just DPS graduates, gets a tuition payment... | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 2352 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 207.74.110.249 |
Reducing crime by 50%; Improving education; Guaranteeing paid college tuition for all Detroit high school graduates; Reducing taxes; and A back-to-basics approach in transportation, development and city services. AH HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! If that evil witch with her black cat win the mayoral election, this would happen in Detroit: Improving education, McFAILED will push those teachers and the staff to get these kids to learn thier ABC's of get out. She want to get the DPS board over to the privization first and then to the people. She would PUSH those student to respect school property of pace penalities. Reducing crime by 50% She start a program simular to S.T.R.E.S.S. to stop unsuspected perps in the streets. Get community leaders to start their own block clubs. And become the community police force in Detroit. Guaranteeing paid college tuition for all Detroit high school graduates; YEAH RIGHT! Reducing taxes; and A back-to-basics approach in transportation, She would have to talk to the Wayne County exec. about that. So far property taxes are being reduced if you buy and megacondos and McMansions The D-Dot bus situation She may get the all D-Dot busses back to its 24 hr. service but would take grant money from the state government to do that. So she may have to raise the fare price to $2:00 and cut the free fare program to all disabilties. Then she would the the privatization and the suburbs take over Detroit leading to the end of black control and dominace forever. So I would say "DON'T VOTE FOR THE SO-CALLED POWER OF TWO." | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 685 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Danny - Your credibility is shot. You have no idea what you are talking about as far as I am concerned your tacky approach to calling McPhail "an evil witch with a black cat" is pathetic. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 686 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Llyn- You have let the media brainwash you. The Sambo Awards. 1. Is a national event - other cities have them. 2. The intent is to "call out" black politicians who are not doing what they are suppose to be doing by other black politicians. 3. As far as I am aware all members of the Call em Out group are African American. 4. Many of the awards are seen as a joke and not taken seriously. 5. McPhail has been nominated in the past for the awards. When you attend the awards ceremony you have no idea if you have been nominated or not. 6. Many politicians go the event and ALL should go to the event. Everyone should be held accountable to the voters. You many not believe in what they say or support but you should at least listen to the voters. 7. McPhail ONLY attended the award. Their were other politicians there. She was the ONLY one called out in the meida. 8. I would probably compare Call em Out to the ACTUP. Many people don't care for their tactics but they hold people, organizations, business and the government accountable on doing more AIDS research. 9. The winner of the sambo award i.e., the head person who "sold out his people" was Kilpatrick. Not many disagree with this. AND that award ceremony was held before many of the current allegations against him. So in the end what did McPhail do? She attended an awards dinner where Black Citizens HOLD OTHER BLACK POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE! Are they always right - no? Do I agree with all of their tactics - no. Does McPhail always agree with them - I would say no. She has publicly stated that the award name should change - she does not care for it. But she does care enough that the people need to be heard. And she attended because she felt as a sitting city council person that she should be held accountable and listen to the people. Again Sambo was blown out of proportion by the media. McPhail is not their candidate of choice - Hendrix is. And they saw that she was on top in the polls and they had to bring her down. And it worked for a while (good strategy on the Hendrix team). The only crap the media has on McPhail is trying to reinforce the image of her as a racist. Trying to link her to Coleman will scare away white voters and moderate african americans(sad tactic). So Llyn I encourage you to come listen to her sometime. I think you should as her where she stands. I guarantee she will look you in the eye and tell you the truth. | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1655 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
"How many candidates release all details on their plans during a general election? Bush/Kerry/Hendrix none of them have nor will." Bush told everyone that his plans were to stay the course. Since he was in charge, it was his responsibility to implement any plans as soon as he came up with them. Why do you feel it isn't McPhail's responsibility to implement her plans now? What's she waiting on before she does her job? The eminent receivorship she's been clamoring on about for the last few months? What is she doing with her power that makes us believe more power will get something done? Are her supporters the type that lose money in a vending machine and then put more money in it on the long shot that paying twice will get them what they should have gotten in the first place? Kerry? You're looking to the candidate that couldn't beat Bush for your guidance? People didn't vote for Kerry because no one could explain what he accomplished all those years that he was in the Senate nor could they explain how he would implement his plans. OK, I'll give you that one. McPhail, the person that has lost innumerable elections, is just like that guy that lost the presidency. | ||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1656 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
Now, I understand the Sambo Awards, on an item by item basis, they're just like the White man sell out Awards: 1. Is a national event(. Other) cities have them. 2. The intent is to "call out" (white) politicians who are not doing what they are suppose to be doing (, according to the organizers,) by other (white) politicians. 3. As far as I am aware, all members of the (KKK) are (Caucasian). ( A sure sign a group doesn't have racist undertones). 4. Many of the awards are seen as a joke and not taken seriously. (Unless, of course your the one that wins the award). 5. (Several moderate racists have) been nominated in the past for the awards. When you attend the awards ceremony you have no idea if you have been nominated or not. 6. Many politicians go the event and ALL should go to the event. Everyone should be held accountable to the voters. You many not believe in what they say or support but you should at least listen to the voters. 7. (Certain southern politicians) ONLY attended the award(s). (There) were other politicians there. (David Duke) was the ONLY one called out in the (media). 8. I would probably compare (the KKK)to the ACTUP. Many people don't care for their tactics but they hold people, organizations, business and the government accountable (for whatever their objectives are because the ends always justify the means.) In case you guys aren't sure, this is a highly sarcastic post on the ridiculous claim that the Sambo call em out awards with its Watermelon shaped awards doesn't have obvious racist undertones. (Message edited by WCPO_Intern on June 20, 2005) | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 789 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
ild Respectfully - I appreciate the observations. I just find it hard to see that many people will think it's a joke. Whatever the specifics are, it feels divisive. Would you like to be called a "Black Sambo"? Why not just call them Uncle Toms or niggers or some other derogatory word while you're at it? I see it as mean spirited and not a joke at all - except maybe to the people in attendance. I heard McPhail speaking on the radio a few years back when she was trying to defend her residency status. I apologize at this point because I can't remember the details anymore, so this isn't entirely fair, but it has to do with how I feel about her candidacy - I just remember her explanation was completely unbelievable sounding. Ever since then I've never trusted that she has the best interest of Detroiters at heart. Maybe she does, I can't really judge her heart and intentions - but I have a reasonable doubt. And maybe there were other politicians at the Black Sambo Awards (I'd love to see a list posted!), but wasn't McPhail the only politician present who was running for mayor of Detroit? I can understand why the media would focus on her. Frankly, it's hard to let the media brainwash me since, so far, it has painted a pretty ugly picture of all the candidates. You can't exactly say they're doing Big Diamond any favors... | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 375 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
I disagree Lyn with the last statement... The media is doing an ace job of painting Hendrix in a great light, mentioning every press conference and event he holds in a positive spin. At the same time they ignore opportunites to report less than stellar information on him. FOR EXAMPLE...Remember the whole Mackinac Debate? Kwame was "painted" as a cheater by Rochelle Riley, a Freep Columnist, because Cindy Paski, Chair of the Conference shared the questions in advance of the debate with Kwame's PR guy. What she nor any other reporter failed to even mention, let alone question hendrix on, is the fact that he is a part owner in a business with Cindy Paski: Strategic Staffing Solutions. !! The Freep and News have chosen their candidate and their editorial boards will force their stories to reflect that. That's politics in Detroit and America. Lyn, you seem extremely sensible. Interviews can be edited. Please take some time to meet Sharon in person and see what she's like one-on-one. She'll be at the Rosedale Comunity House this friday from 6pm - 8pm...please stop by!!! | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 791 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Quinn, you may be right that Hendrix gets the best press. It's hard to quantify, but I haven't seen a lot of negative articles about him in the main stream press. There has been some negative comments, or at least debate, over the school board issue. I heard some comments on the radio in that regard, also. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 687 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Most of the negative/truthful press has been in the Michigan Chronicle which coupled with the Metro Times are the only true investigative press I think we have. The News and FREEP occasionally get good scoops i.e., Kwame Gate...but generally they burp out what they get from somewhere else. The News and FREEP are very biased towards Hendrix. It is a media controlled by the suburbs (I don't think any of them live in Detroit) and Hendrix appeals to them because he comes from the Archer years. At least that is my opinion and I am sure there are a number of others who agree. Llyn - You should come to the North Rosedale Park Community Center on Friday to meet with McPhail at 6:00 PM (18445 Scarsdale) - form your own opinions. You should also hear KK and Hendrix to...an informed voter is the best voter! At the end of the day I am confident you will find McPhail to be the best candidate by far! | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 794 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Good point about "who writes what". For what it's worth, I think all the news outlets mentioned carry a certain amount of bias. I think most of the staff at each of these papers would disagree with that (even though they disagree with each other). This is because people don't recognize their own limitations - not because they aren't trying to be honest. The News and Freep write from inside the structure of the current society. The Michigan Chronicle writes from a particular racial viewpoint (not saying that some of it isn't justified - but that does not mean it's the only possible perspective). The Metro Times writes from inside a humanistic liberal philosophy. (Note that I am not attempting to support or criticize any of these particular viewpoints - I have both agreement and issues with every one of them - I'm just suggesting that no one is just oh so perfect when it comes to the way facts and opinions are addressed.) Maybe a certain amount of bias is unavoidable, or maybe even acceptable in a pluralistic society, as long as people are not intentionally deceptive. I'll leave that one up to wiser minds that my own to decipher. I won't be able to make it on Friday night. At this point I probably wouldn't come anyhow. I always try to keep an open mind, though. (I'm a skeptic by nature - so it's unavoidable.) Let the conversations continue... | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 689 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Llyn- I have a good friend (who is a supporter of McPhail) and she writes for the News - she says that they are very biased towards Hendrix. McPhail has never done much to court those guys (republican suburbanites) and maybe she should. The Michigan Chronicle is an interesting paper and I would agree it is more geered towards the african american community, however, I know a good number of progressive whites who read it. Thanks | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2857 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.44 |
Llyn, regardless of who you support, you are not educated on Sambo, Uncle Tom or the 'N' word. Before you criticize something you should understand what you are talking about. Otherwise you shall remain Brainwashed. (Is your brain getting 'cleaner' or dirtier?) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 700 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Brian - Have you ever met anyone who is african american that was upset by the Sambo Awards or if you have are the a majority/minority? I truthfully only met one man - he identified himself as a rare person (african american conservative republican) at a McPhail event. He was insulted by the term - but then heard her justification and seemed pleased. Or at least his wife was she wrote the campaign a check! What are your thoughts? Curious? | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 204.38.171.25 |
Hello everyone, as you can see by the post number I'm pretty new to the forum. In reference to African American people offended by the Sambo awards, I was. I met McPhail when she came to U of M and someone in the audience asked. Tardy but apologetic, professional and cordial. Seemed passionate as well. Unfortunately, her advisors have not told her that people really like apologies, even half assed ones. Worked for Clinton and it may work for Kwame. Had she said I f'ed up, sorry... she'd have my vote no question. I was desperate for her to say "you may have notions about me being a racist, etc... but I've learned from my mistakes, and am ready to lead the city into better times." I'd be running to the office to volunteer. Instead, she said the media did this, etc... Maybe my 'youth and inexperience' is clouding my vision but barring any reconsideration on her part, I'll flip a coin between Clarke and Hendrix, but I won't be happy about it. C'mon already McPhail. I can't be the only one who feels this way. Her Children's Fund plan just might work too, but I feel she's stuck in denial and it really bugs me. Any thoughts? | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 702 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Glad you saw her speak at UM...I have seen her answer this question to a large room full of folks and they seemed pleased with the answer. I am not so sure she f'd up. I have no problem with her attending the sambo event - I don't like the name and I think it should be changed. McPhail has stated call it the Call'em Out Awards. But by her attending the awards (along with many other politicians) does not make her racist. What it makes her is someone who listens to what the people say and she is a politician who holds herself accountable to the people. She has even been nominated in the past for an award and you don't know until you attend the event that night who has or has not been nominated. And the event is VERY light hearted and not serious - people do laugh and joke at the recipients of the awards and they laugh at themselves. From my experience at attending MANY different campaign functions where other candidates were present - McPhail (in my observation) is the only candidate who has a mixed group. She has many african americans, a large number of white supporters, gay, asian and yes a few suburbanites. The other candidates seem to have a much less representative group than McPhail. I think if people get passed the media brainwashing and get use to her honesty you will have your questions answered. And realize that she is the progressive and inclusive candidate. Clark is a good guy and his intentions are there - but if you have ever seen him speak publicly you might realize that he is not the strongest candidate. And I will tell you something - if you told McPhail what you just wrote here. She would say "well at least you now have a reason why you are not voting for me...you have met me and have decided that I am not the candidate for you". And that is fine...you are an informed voter. Which is more than I can say for many folks on here who have never met her or listened to her. Just get brainwashed by our "excellent" media. BTW - You must have been part of the MOSES or MOSE group? If so a number of your friends were impressed with McPhail - at a campaign meeting the web master announced that he had an unusually large number of people that requested to volunteer and identified themselves as MOSES members from U of M. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 804 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
"Llyn, regardless of who you support, you are not educated on Sambo, Uncle Tom or the 'N' word. Before you criticize something you should understand what you are talking about. Otherwise you shall remain Brainwashed. (Is your brain getting 'cleaner' or dirtier?)" Brainwashed? Please stop throwing that word around with me. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2862 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.22 |
Llyn, I won't write it back to you if you don't use it again. ILD, I have met some folks who would say they don't like the term. But they are not to be trusted and I would never turn my back on them. They fully understand what it means and why its used. But lets be understanding of the world. ALL other cultures have their own equivalent of Sambo and a word to describe it. The Black community is very nice as to how it treats Sambo's. Even the white community is much more deadly. In popular media the other equivalent of the term Sambo is used all the time. Its used in national newspapers and on popular TV shows and on major radio stations. Folks are constantly reminded how not to 'sell out' their community/people/etc. Look are how Bush labelled the French. Look at how the republicans called others unpatriotic and other harsher terms when they would not support the war. But when the Black community wants to command our own community opposition is mounted and we are scolded. Fuck That! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 709 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Thanks Brian...you hit the ball out of the park with your answer. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 922 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.213.209 |
Brian, if you truly understood the history of the word "Sambo," you'd understand why so many black people are offended by that word. If this militant group the "Call 'em Out" coalition called their award the "Call 'em Out" awards, then maybe the awards would be more acceptable. However, the implication of black politicians not being true to the black community is still offensive. You, Brian, and others like you think that every dollar out in the world is supposed to go to black people. However, if white politicians only threw dollars to whites, you and your militant thinking friends would be up in arms over that. There's never a middle ground with you and people with your mind set. If additional money went towards hispanic kids to help them learn English, you, Brian, and your crew would be up in arms over that. However, if the students were immigrant children from Somalia who needed help with English, then it would be fine with you and your group. Folks from the Call 'Em Out Coalition, the Michigan Citizen, and yourself see black politicians and say to them, "Hook me up because my skin is the same color as yours." It doesn't matter if you're not qualified to do a job or don't have the necessary experience or expertise to receive a contract for a project. Just as long as the dollars go your way because of your skin color, then it's fine. Whitey does it, then it's racism. Brian, the only thing you and your militant friends want to command is an army of hate. An army of whiners who want to "call everybody out" when they don't get their way. Grow up. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 923 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.213.209 |
ilovedetroit, here's the problem that I have with McPhail's Children's Fund: how do you keep up with the goings-on of over 200,000 students over 8 years? What happens when little Marvin's parents divorce while he's in seventh-grade and he goes and lives with his mom in Southfield for the rest of that year, but then returns to Detroit to live with his father to finish eighth-grade? Is he disqualified from the "college scholarship" fund for the time he went to school in Southfield? And how will Mayor McPhail keep up with this student's moves from one district to another? Will she hire someone or a group of people to be auditors of students' records? Will her group have access to DPS and SPS records, eventhough they are not DPS or SPS employees? How does McPhail explain to Marvin and his family that he is disqualified from the "college scholarship" because for one semester he didn't live in Detroit? Now, imagine this scenario being played out with tens of thousands of students over an eight year period. Overwhelming is the first word that comes to mind. Impossible is the second. Also, what happens to students "college scholarships" if McPhail leaves office during the students' eight-year period? Is the next mayor bound to these "college scholarships?" As you can see, ilovedetroit, I have only raised a few questions about the children's fund. I have many others and I know there are other people with even more questions that I haven't thought about. The bottom line is this: the children's fund won't work. It is a "pie in the sky" scheme that, although noble, has too many bugs in it to ever work. Keeping up with 100 students over eight years might be possible, but over 200,000, impossible. This plan is the main reason I will not be voting for McPhail. If she thinks this will fly, then I can only imagine how she would handle other issues in her administration. Too scary. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 714 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Well if that is the only reason you are not voting for her then it is a sad reason. I would not vote for someone who is offering something negative...you are not voting for someone who is offering something positive. You are getting yourself involved in details that McPhail's team has already talked about or areorking through (her DCF group has a number of teachers/administrators/attorn eys etc on it)... do you honestly think that they would roll a plan of this magnitude out without any controls in place? So if this is the only reason you would not vote for her - then fine. My guess is if you had all your questions answered you would find something else to not want to vote for her on. I hope you do the same due diligence on the other candidate's plans or lack of plans. And good luck with a candidate selection. Thanks | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 929 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.46.103 |
ilovedetroit, I said the children's fund is the "main" reason I am not voting for McPhail. I didn't say this was the "only" reason I'm not voting for her. There's a big difference. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 720 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
Royce - HOw nice for you. So question Royce if your choice was KK or McPhail who would you choose? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2867 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.39.169.124 |
Royce won't support The Children's Fund. (Hendrix has said the same thing.) But Hendrix does not have any alternative plan. Royce doesn't like the word SAMBO. Why?
Royce can't be Black. There is nothing wrong with wanting all the money. Its when you try and get all the money that you get in trouble. But to intentionally not want the money is just plain stupid. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2868 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.39.169.124 |
Royce, why don't you provide YOUR history of the word. Perhaps you would clear this issue up. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 935 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.210.248 |
Brian, with all your "intelligence" why do I have to explain to you what the word "sambo" means or refers to? Stop playing these semantic games. You know what sambo means. If a white person called you that you would be offended. However, it's alright by you, Brian, if a group of militant blacks call other blacks "sambos" just because they didn't do what the militant blacks wanted them to do. The term "sambo" is just as offensive to blacks as the N-word, Brian, and you know it. Now, Brian, if the mayor was white and you went to him for a contract and he told you that no money would be going to minority firms, you would be offended. You would call him a racist, and you would be out in front of city hall protesting to get him removed from office. Now, if the mayor was black and he told you that all contracts would go to minority firms and a white person complained, you would tell that white person to get lost. You would think this was ok, but in the previous scenario you wouldn't. Brian, militants like you think the government, the system, or the man owes you something. If the head of the government is black, then in your mind he most definitely owes you something, which in you mind means, "Time to get "ours" from "whitey." I guess during your formal education they never taught you about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and his most famous speech, I Have A Dream. From a line in that speech, King talks about what he hoped would happen in all walks of life. The line goes something like this, "I have a dream today that one day my four children will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." It's a great line with great meaning. It's unfortunate that you didn't learn about King and his beliefs, Brian, because if you had you wouldn't be so narrow-minded and ignorant. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 722 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Royce - Your words sound really nice but you have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1573 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"Ilovedetroit", Brian, and Rasputin are straight out of bizzaro world. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2869 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.102 |
Do you call folks militant Royce because they do things you don't approve of or are you sure of those things you think they do? If a white person called me a Sambo it would not bother me. Its not their word and to them it has no meaning. Just like the N word is not Black folks word. But I don't think you would understand that Royce. There are many if's in your post above. But I tell you one thing, IF you PAY the government in the form of fees and taxes you should expect them to OWE you something. Otherwise they can give the money back. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 939 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.213.160 |
Brian, you must not be black if you wouldn't be offended by someone calling you a "sambo" or using the N-word. Go figure. Just when I thought I had you figured out. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look forward to the next ludicrous thing that comes out of your mouth. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 963 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.34.54 |
Brian, you've had plenty of time to respond. What's the problem. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 770 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 207.145.20.2 |
Royce - I have met Brian he is black - don't worry about that. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3135 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
Royce: for your enlightenment .... I never did and still don't give a fukk about MLK or his "Stay Asleep & Dream" speech. Even with his "Save the white boi's ass" non-violence rhetoric, he was stilled called a "Nigger" and killed by white bois!! Go figure .... on "git-back" Black-atcha ..... | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 967 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.34.54 |
Rasputin, too bad you can't take something positive from MLK. Most enlightened people can. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3141 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.53.134 |
Too bad for who, Royce; YOU???? Look MoFo, no one needs or is seeking your permission to do 1 damn thing .... especially dealing with a "Great White Hope" created by white white bois to save their own asses. Mayhaps you really study history, and not that propagandist bullschitt you insist on running!! and btw: for your edification and futher enlightenment; the March on Washington, where King tried to lull Black folk back into deep sleep, was not put together by MLK!! See if you can name the REAL organizers .... Just before King was deemed a TERRORIST by you and yours, then both were MURDERED:  Black-atcha ..... watching the ignorant try to appear educated and "in the light!" | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 2473 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.161 |
Rasputin is just using his lesson that his Uncle Tom gave him." black-folks good white folks bad." | ||
Surenowinlife Member Username: Surenowinlife Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.85.144.144 |
Here comes the "short bus" guys......... | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 835 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.215 |
Just exactly who killed Malcolm X?? Ras so cavalierly mentioned it as though it was by white people..... | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 2507 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.158 |
Gistok, Malcom X was killed by three black gunmen during a speech at the Audubon Ballroom in New York City. His wife and children witnessed the tragic event on Feburary 21st, 1965. (Message edited by danny on July 07, 2005) |
