  Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
I have very painfully finally had an opportunity to read through the entire "Detroit Mayoral Election Super Thread." I guess I have too much time on my hand. Well, actually I do. Anyway, I have pondered whether I should even ask bring up this issue. My question to those who vehemently post on this 'Super Thread' have either of you been promised some sort of position if your candidate wins in November? I can't believe the heated, rude, and awful exchange between the forumers. It is very hateful and sometimes downright disturbing. So I ask again, does Brian, Quinn, IloveDetroit, Metrodetguy, Bindetroit, Ras, Amelia, Royce, Aram among others stand to gain a position on the staff of the person they are personally supporting for Mayor? This is not a personal attack by no means. Your exchange just seems so personal. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2858 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.44 |
Shave, I would normally ignore this type of post because its useless. But, I have been posting the same message long before this mayoral election. Support Black owned businesses. (And other related issues.) I have also consistantly stated, and shown, how Archer (and Hendrix since he takes the credit for Archer's terms) have fought and worked against Black owned businesses except for the ones owned by their relatives. I have no problem with Kwame or Archer making money from owning businesses or investments while mayor. I do have a problem when they outsource to Torre and B. while making the proposal requirements impossible for Detroit based biz to get contracts. Also the fact that none of the Detroit casinos are owned by the city or local business persons who invest in Detroit. Not to mention the many business Archer ran out of the CBD. At least Kwame did not run anyone out, he just didn't let anyone else in. Thus when Sharon announced she was running she was the only candidate I could support. She is not afraid to support Detroiters. Which means Black folks. Other candidates are afraid to say that Detroit is 80% Black. They fear reminding people that they would be representing the Black community. They fear potraying themselves as a Black 'Politician' for fear of being ignored around the state. And my posts are directed at what Archer (and Hendrix) have done in the past. When kwame was runnng I supported Gil Hill. folks were told that KK would do exactly what he has done but they did not listen. Today they say they are sorry they voted for and supported him. Since this is Hendrix' first time running for political office I am again telling folks that he is bad news and will be worst than Kwame has been. Will folks listen this time? I don't work for the city nor have I ever worked for the city or any politician. I don't get paid by politicians. I don't hold, and have never held any government contracts. My company does not do business with the government or politicians. I have no personal or business connection to my candidate or any candidate of past or present. (But I have no idea how you can verify my statements which is why I usually ignore this type of post.) | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Thanks Brian. Hopefully no hard feelings. Obviously, you are sincere in your support of McPhail seeing that you were not afraid to answer the question posed on my "useless" thread  . | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 906 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.213.209 |
No, Shave, I have not been promised a position with my preferred candidate, Freman Hendrix. I came on this forum because I could not allow Brian to repeatedly bad-mouth Hendrix with "unsubstantiated claims" without challenging him and his statements. Some of the other McPhail supporters make "unsubstantiated claims" as well, but nothing even close to what Brian says. If you have read these posts, then you have seen that most of us who are not McPhail supporters are not bad-mouthing her with "unsubstatiated claims." We have expressed why we don't support her and we have given our reasons, and that's that. Brian is on a witch-hunt concerning Hendrix. You'll notice that he has very little to say about Mayor Kilpatrick, and when he does he still finds a way to bad-mouth Hendrix. Have you noticed how no one has responded to his most recent thread topics? That's because we are tired of Brian's BS. I am sure he'll continue with it, even if he gets no feedback from us. If Hendrix becomes the next mayor, Brian will still be making "unsubstantiated claims" about him. Hey, that's just Brian. (Message edited by royce on June 22, 2005) | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 69 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Thanks for your clarification Royce. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 352 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Shave, I believe as a citizen of the city everyone has something gain that is why each person supports a candidate. I leaning toward Helmut, because I believe he will do the best job city which will benefit me as a citizen but as far as city contract or job I will gain nothing. I tend to make comments because so many people make unsubstantiated claims. Facts are truly lacking throughout all the mayoral thread, so folks believe just because they say something it is true. I also like to stir the pot and make smartass comments. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 380 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Yes I do! My property's value! I am a HUGE McPhail fan and love her to death and will continue to do work for the campaign. My business, however, could not gain anything from her winning, and I won't quit because I wouldn't be able to support our family on a city salary. Also my job is in the burbs...nobody here would even know about the election if it weren't for me! I do think this is a valid thread though! Some people on here really do have direct links to more money if their candidate is elected. Lets see if they are honest! | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2460 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.24.180 |
Joe Harris telepathically offered me a broom if he wins the write-in campaign. I know he'll deliver. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3478 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.168 |
I was told if I support Garfield I will be named ambassador to France. Sincerely, Charles Guiteau | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
So Goat was right. He warned me that a simple honest and true thread could easily be made into a mockery. I refuse to play into silly forum behavior. I believe that there is a mixture of serious threads and lighthearted threads. If I have personally offended anyone by starting this thread then I sincerely apologize. Quinn and Merchantgander, thanks for your responses. The serious responses thus far have really helped me gain perspective on this entire 'Super Thread.' Sincerly, Shave | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2461 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.53.21 |
Getting huffy at some light-heartedness because you seriously expected the people you called out to step up and say, "Yes, Mayor Kilpatrick offered me a job if he wins the election"? Are you that naive? Here's the key to the whole Mayoral Super Thread: The people who have personally the most to gain or lose in that election, or any other, don't post on the thread. (With, perhaps, the exception of Steve Wilson.) As for those who do post, they can be divided into two catagories: 1. pounding salt down a rat hole and 2. Egging them on with sharpened sticks. -- Said light-heartedly. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 699 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Shave - The answer is NO and I don't think the city could afford me. Well I guess KK could - I hear he pays well...hahaha. No my support for McPhail comes purely from the fact that I know her, trust her, like her and with all my heart and head know that she is the only one who can fix the mess we are in. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 3479 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.217.119.145 |
lighthearted? My dear sir/madame why slander me with such foul vulgarities? My words are as sincere as anything written on this "super" thread. My speech Garfield versus Hancock is a key element in Garfield's winning strategy. My work has won the admiration of Arthur, Blaine, Conkling, and all the fellows. I am a stalwart of the Stalwarts. I was with Gen. Grant, and the rest of our men in New York during the canvass. When we win I shall be ambassador to France! Sincerely, Charles Guiteau | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 89 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Jelk,  . | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2863 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.22 |
How folks like to claim, unsubstantiated, when they mean to say that Hendrix doesn't have any answers to accusations. Like recent allegations in the Michigan Citizen that showed how Hendrix wasted millions as president of the DPS reform board. But hendrix won't answer that. and all his so called supporters will say is its unsubstantiated. If it is untrue, why not complain to the paper? They are too afraid more evidence will surface. Hendrix entire campaign has been to try and lie his way into office. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1558 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Shave, I'm a private sector type of person. I haven't been promised anything, haven't discussed anything, and don't want any type of job from my chosen candidate (Hendrix). To be honest, I probably wouldn't accept anything if offered, but I might consider the right opportunity. Bottome line, I am a concerned Detroit resident. I cannot sit by and watch others misrepresent both other people as well as themselves by posting false allegations, blatant lies, misinformation, etc. in hopes of advancing themselves, their candidate(s), and their agendas. I am very big on honesty, integrity, factual information, substance, and character. When I see things to the contrary, I will challenge it at every opportunity. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 102 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Thanks Metrodetguy. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 711 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Metro - You are so full of it. Shave would you like to go kiss metro? And just as suspected he is an insider in the camp of Hendrix. Tell him I said "nice job at the debate last night"? Metro- Were you the guy who told him to arrive in a limo wearing jeans? It made him looks like one of the people in his jeans, sport coat, and penny loafers. He would have fit right in in Grosse Pointe or Birmingham with all his friends. He is looking more and more shallow just as I have been saying "empty suit" or at least 1/2 suit with the jeans on. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 103 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Ilovedetroit, I only thanked Metrodetguy for answering a question that I posed at the beginning of this forum--just as I have everyone else who have taken the time to answer a question that I have posed. I am not going to involve myself in your tit-for-tat spewing with Metrodetguy so please don't put me in the middle of your contentious debate with Metrodetguy or any other forumer. That's plain childish trying to play one side against the other simply because of disagreements that you presently have and have had in the past. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 370 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.168.234 |
ILD, "Shave would you like to go kiss metro?" you act like a child. I actually think you are not a real person, just some prankster on a forum making an ass out of themselves telling lies, trying to make McPhail look bad. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 716 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Shave - I apologize for my "kiss" comment...however, you did not thank me for my comment earlier (it brought a tear to my eye)  And I am not all that bad. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Oops  ! Sorry. I just went back and reread your comment before. Thanks a lot for responding to this thread. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 717 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
Thanks Shave...now can I have a kiss? haha | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 24.99.111.241 |
Ilovedetroit, only if you look like the clone of Mekhi Phiefer. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2865 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.39.169.124 |
MD said,
Sounds like the money is under negotiation. Hendrix did say that he favors privitizing and outsourcing. He got booed even from some of his own supporters at the forum on Thursday. MD, are you looking to get contracts that KK would not give you? | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1568 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
With the McPhail campaign in such disarray and nearing the point of being placed on life support, some of her most vocal supporters are just throwing anything and everything out there to see what happens. The only things under negotiation are back room dealings between some of McPhail's top supporters and the Kilpatrick campaign. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2872 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.102 |
MD how would you turn down anything offered but still accept the right opportunity? Two, why does Hendrix push the campaigns of Sharon McPhail and KK closer together when if Hendrix' polls are to be believed, he will face one of them for the general election? Does Hendrix already have 51% of all folks who would voted in August and November? | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1574 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Brian, does a question formed from an "edited version" of my original quote deserve an "edited answer"? The shilling for one campaign while claiming allegiance to another by some of the most vocal supporters of the "other" campaign is what brought them together. Not to mention that KK and SM were both at the helm during the free-fall of the city over the past 3 and a half years. | ||
Helfy Member Username: Helfy Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
MDG, You are so off its not even funny! McPhail campaign in disarray? NOT EVEN CLOSE. We just kicked off our ad campaigns on TV and will be kicking everyones ASS this thursday on TV2. YES i will be there to witness the bashing of FH and KK. This will be very interesting to see the dynamics of KK and FH trying to beat eachother up. You will see KK and Mcphaill rise above FH. FH can't take the heat just watch and ALSO watch how "MAYORAL" McPhail acts. MDG, My posts arent ever edited so read mine as best you can . Oh and as the original topic states, I WILL be working with the Mcphail administration making major sweeping changes in city government that will ONLY help the citizens of our great city. First thing we do is get rid of all your corrupt friends! I have a plan to save ALL city workers their jobs thru one dept in the city and McPhail loves my idea. $80 million to Detroit and all from a city dept that has never looked at itself as an asset that can make the city money. No i will not elaborate on it until after the primary, then i will have Ms. McPhail present our plan that will bring us to victory. Also if she somehow does not win I WILL STILL give this plan to whomever gets to be our next mayor of Detroit. Just becuz i love this city. Helfy | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 2398 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.173.150 |
THE GHETTOMAN and I would stand firmly on Freeman Hendrix. Detroit's next GREAT BLACK HOPE. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3081 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
Helfy: Not so sure I want to see the City into anymore of the MONEY MAKING game!! Would rather just see adequate service delivery. Citizens are being ripped-off as it is, with all the hidden taxes called fees. Go figure .... on Sharon not playing that game. Black-atcha ..... | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 729 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
I hear the Hendrix people are actually in disarray Metro...they were so embarrased by your bosses lack of ability to debate at last Thursday's WDIV Channel 4 event that they are concerned that KK will outshine him. Hendrix supporters literally stumbled out of the debate in shock at how McPhail so clearly caught him in his usual lies. Also I hear that former Mayor Dennis Archer is not at all pleased how Mr Hendrix is passing the buck on to Archer for all bad things but he is taking credit for all the good. I hear Archer is wishing he would have kept his endorsement (and check) a little longer to have something to hold over Hendrix's head to keep his mouth shut. Everyone knows that Hendrix is making a fool of himself by saying "oh, I did all this for the city" ... "oh that was bad I was just there and had nothing to do with that"...I mean were you or weren't you there Mr Six Steps from the Mayor. His support is soooooooooo shallow that supporters are realizing that "wait I am only voting for him because he worked for Archer"...."maybe I need to re-think this strategy a bit". | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2876 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.219 |
MD, I can follow your line of questioning with a followup question that you have never been able to answer. If Kwame screwed up the city in 3 years then Archer must not have done anything in 8 years. Archer claimed that $17 Billion was invested in the city during his 8 years. But city revenue constantly decreased while he was mayor. Population decreased. The US and EVER major city in the US saw increases in population and revenue except for Detroit. Why couldn't Archer (and Hendrix since he is riding coat tails) do anything to create a cushion for Detroit if times under Archer were so good? | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 953 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.34.78 |
Brian, populations in 7 of the top 10 cities in the United States have increased according to U.S Census estimates through 2003. In six of those cities the population increases can be attributed to the growing hispanic population. These six cities are also in warm climates. The three cities that have seen a decline in population are Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit. Other cities in the top 30 that have lost population include: Pittsburgh, Boston, New Orleans, St. Louis, and Washington DC. Brian, Detroit is not the only major city losing population. There are a lot of factors that contribute to population loss. The mayor of a city may not have any control over that decline. I thought you should know that, Brian, before you make another "unsubstantiated" claim about Archer and/or Hendrix. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1586 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"Ilovedetroit", you're told the same erroneous story after every Hendrix event/mayoral forum. Meanwhile in reality Hendrix's polling numbers, name recognition, favorability numbers, and donations continue to surpass the other candidates. Helfy, again some of the most vocal McPhail supporters shill for Kilpatrick while supposedly supporting their candidate. By the way, a subway don't make money. Brian, you forgot to mention that McPhail has also been at the helm during the decline of the past 3 years. Talk about trying to distance one's self. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 736 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Metro - Please your anger is getting worse which means you as the paid staff member on the Hendrix campaign it taking heat for all the problems you are having. I am sure that it has been hell in Hendrix Land since the debate last week! Since you are Mr PR guy for Freman I bet you have taken the most heat! Basic PR 101 - PREP your candidate...did you guys even do debate prep? I mean Freman did a laughable job. Of course the TV stations who all love him tried to make him look good on Flashpoint with all their take outs and cuts. I hope the audience realized that the only clapping was for McPhail and that Freman had NO CLAPPPING when he was talking. It is ok...Metro when McPhail is mayor you don't have to move out. I guarantee you will like her in a very short time. | ||
Helfy Member Username: Helfy Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
ILD, don't give away any pointers to the Hendrix camp. PREP 101 is too advanced . RULE#1- Don't wear jeans to a debate! Look Mayoral! Control your body language as best as possible. Once you pass this THEN and ONLY then can you get a pass to move up to PREP 101. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1588 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"Ilovedetroit" you are truly a psycho. Helfy, Rule #2 Don't wear a sports jersey to your party's convention. (McPhail wore a Lions jersey w/her name and 05 to the Dem Convention a few months ago). Look Mayoral! Control your body language. Don't dart past potential voters in the halls while looking around for the cameras. Once you pass this THEN and ONLY then can you get a pass to move up to PREP 101. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 400 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
ILoveDetroit, I think you're neat and not a psycho. ;P What is Metro's problem? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2882 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.47 |
Royce said, Will you also inform your fellow Hendrix supporters whom have used the same argument on Kilpatrick? But looks like you identified other cities losing population. Why then is it a factor if its a problem across the nation? Although to point out, Archer said he was making plans to retain population and instead pushed many folks out of Detroit when he tore down most of the public housing in the city. He then turned around and sold that land to private developers an tried to use HUD funds to help them get money needed to develop the land. All the while he say us fall under a million persons and Engler had to approve special legislation for Detroit so we could keep our revenue where it was. But in the process Engler forced Archer to eliminate the income tax for all corporations in Detroit. MD, you elevate Sharon McPhail to the head of the city council and someone who controlled Detroit during her political career. No wonder you attack her so much, your candidate fears her POWER! | ||
Helfy Member Username: Helfy Post Number: 68 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
MDG, Wait till McPhail wallops Hendrix again on the FOX2 debate tomorow night! We will see how your candidate comes out. KK is gunning for him too. The only thing they have in common is that they BOTH FEAR McPhail. She is like Mohamed Ali- Dances like a butterfly and STINGS LIKE A BEE!!!!!!!! just watch and see. I cannot wait! | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 327 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
You always attack the one who is leading in the polls. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3105 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.53.134 |
When did the Census Bureau take another census?? Methinks the last one ended in the year 2000 .... now deal with the numbers and the dates .... then connect the dots!! Black-atcha ..... awaiting rationalizations for the 2004 date in the media | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 752 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Metro - You are dolt. I was at the Dem Convention - she looked just fine and everyone else was similarly dressed. ALSO why did your candidate show up at the debate last week in a LIMO and wearing jeans? Everyone else was dressed. He looked like some preppy out of Birmingham, MI...not at all respectful! | ||
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 1166 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10 |
For ild and others who resort to personal attacks in lieu of "polite, thoughtful discussion," this friendly reminder: From Lowell's Conditions for Participation: Welcome to the Discuss Detroit Forum. You are invited to participate in a moderated discussion about all things Detroit. This forum is for polite, thoughtful discussion and inquiries only. Entries that are abusive, off subject, silly, containing personal attacks, threats, libels, illegal activities, or hate group messages will be removed as quickly as possible. Absolutely no name calling will be allowed, directly or indirectly. Advertising is not permitted, except by permission, or contract. Anyone who wishes to participate on the forum is welcome to do so, but their anonymity cannot be guaranteed from exposure by other forum participants. Participants who wish to post on forum do so at their own risk of exposure. Participants are kindly requested address the entire forum in their posts and to only address other participants by their forum names. Please always address the forum in a polite manner. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 404 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
For Metrodetguy, bindetroit and others who resort to personal attacks in lieu of "polite, thoughtful discussion," this friendly reminder: From Lowell's Conditions for Participation: Welcome to the Discuss Detroit Forum. You are invited to participate in a moderated discussion about all things Detroit. This forum is for polite, thoughtful discussion and inquiries only. Entries that are abusive, off subject, silly, containing personal attacks, threats, libels, illegal activities, or hate group messages will be removed as quickly as possible. Absolutely no name calling will be allowed, directly or indirectly. Advertising is not permitted, except by permission, or contract. Anyone who wishes to participate on the forum is welcome to do so, but their anonymity cannot be guaranteed from exposure by other forum participants. Participants who wish to post on forum do so at their own risk of exposure. Participants are kindly requested address the entire forum in their posts and to only address other participants by their forum names. Please always address the forum in a polite manner. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1596 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"Ilovedetroit" you are lying again. Every public official at the Democratic Convention was dressed professionally (the most casual that it got was a sportcoat w/o tie). There certainly weren't any other public figures in any type of sportswear (such as jerseys). | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 753 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.4.46 |
Metro - You are lying again. I find it really sad how you like to bait and switch everything and make everyone out to be a liar...when in truth you are nothing but a sad person in real life. Only sad people go around calling everyone liars. Oh, and everyone came to the debate dressed up but Freman Hendrix wearing his jeans. | ||
Lurker Member Username: Lurker Post Number: 1140 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.115.63.131 |
Quinn – you should heed your own advice:
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Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 7808 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.226 |
LMAO! A follow up to Ghettoman's greatest hits? McPhail must be proud of her supporters. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 407 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Nicely taken out of context and doesn't show what I'm responding to...LOSER! Goes for you too supersquirt. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1812 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.79.99.181 |
Quinn, You seem to have skipped reading a cople of paragraphs:
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Lurker Member Username: Lurker Post Number: 1141 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 63.115.63.131 |
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Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1813 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.79.99.181 |
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