  Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit Post Number: 1182 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.117.31 |
New York Times July 10, 2005 In Troubled Detroit, Mayor's Race Is a Referendum on Style By DANNY HAKIM DETROIT, July 9 - The day after Kwame M. Kilpatrick was elected mayor in 2001, he put his diamond stud back in his left ear. In a downtrodden city where older residents are a dominant voting bloc because so many younger people have left, Mr. Kilpatrick, 34, spent much of the campaign playing the hopeful grandson. Four years later, he is himself looking for redemption, dogged by scandal and trailing in the polls just weeks ahead of the city's nonpartisan primary on Aug. 2. The increasingly contentious race is shaping up as a referendum on the contrasting styles of the current mayor and his lower-profile predecessor, Dennis Archer, whose former deputy, Freman Hendrix, is the current front-runner. A third contender is Sharon McPhail, a member of the City Council, which has frequently feuded with the mayor, most recently over how to close a $300 million budget deficit. All three candidates are Democrats. Mr. Kilpatrick, often referred to as Detroit's hip-hop mayor, is a sartorially bold former college football lineman, part P. Diddy, part Bill Clinton. He is best known for controversies: having his cash-strapped city pay $25,000 to lease his family a Lincoln Navigator and accumulating thousands of dollars of questionable charges on the city's credit card. Time magazine recently named him one of the nation's three worst mayors. Mr. Hendrix, 54, is a career civil servant, tall and lanky, a polished politician making hay with Mr. Kilpatrick's shortcomings. "Four years ago, Detroiters heard the promise, 'Right here, right now,' " Mr. Hendrix said in an interview on Thursday, referring to the mayor's last campaign slogan. " 'Oh yeah, we're going to do this, do that.' 'Oh yeah, I'm your grandson.' They heard the promise, they heard the fast talk. This is what they got. Now I think what folks want is some plain speaking, and that's what I'm trying to do." Mr. Hendrix spoke while holding the hands of Elizabeth Alexander, 74, and Thelma Bolden, 77, supporters flanking him on a couch, nodding in approval during a campaign stop at a senior center. Criticism has weighed on Mr. Kilpatrick and his political family. "Don't let too many people talk about y'all's boy," his mother, Congresswoman Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, is said to have urged a crowd at a recent rally. Her husband, Bernard, compared coverage of his son to treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. He later apologized. "I think people are trying to win awards on my back," Mr. Kilpatrick said in an interview in front of the new downtown headquarters of Compuware. "Journalists even say to me, 'When you're in the paper, we sell more papers.' I sold more than the 'Michael Jackson is free' issue." Mr. Hendrix says Mr. Archer balanced budgets over eight years in office, and he wants to restore fiscal discipline. But Mr. Kilpatrick, who hired a former president of Bank One as chief development officer, said that under Mr. Archer's watch the city government grew by thousands of employees even as its population continued to sink. The population is now below one million, less than half its peak. Mr. Kilpatrick and the City Council have been battling over how best to cut workers and city services. "We've never planned for the depopulation of the city," Mr. Kilpatrick said. "We kind of went on like it never happened, and this is the first administration to say, hey, we're smaller. Hug yourself." Mr. Kilpatrick will be pitching revitalization on Tuesday, when the Major League Baseball All-Star Game comes to Detroit. For outsiders, it will be difficult to see past the city's most prominent feature: abandonment. Detroit fell out of the top 10 largest cities this month, supplanted by San Jose, Calif. That legacy is writ large in hollowed-out buildings downtown and in neighborhoods where the city cannot knock down rotted houses fast enough. Advertising banners will be draped over some facades to mask blight. The city has been further hampered by the decline of the domestic auto industry. But there are kernels of progress. There were years in the early 1990's when the city granted so few new housing permits that they could be counted on one hand. This year, more than 1,000 are expected. Several major corporations have moved downtown, and a slip of riverfront around the General Motors headquarters has been made over. Later this year, a major project will begin to extend that development several miles along the Detroit River, with the idea of establishing a pedestrian-friendly riverfront overlooking Canada. The city is also going after developers who have been sitting on major downtown eyesores. "There's no question he recognizes the importance of General Motors to the future of Detroit," said Debbie Dingell, General Motors' director of community relations and the wife of Representative John D. Dingell. "He has very much tried to focus on economic development on the riverfront." Neighborhoods have been far slower to show progress. In the latest blow, the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development took control on Thursday of Detroit's housing authority. But in an interview, the housing secretary, Alphonso R. Jackson, praised Mr. Kilpatrick as a rare mayor who had been cooperative. "This did not happen on his watch, this has been a systemic problem," Mr. Jackson said. "I couldn't even get the previous mayor to admit that he had a problem. I was consistently arguing with his chief of staff," he said, adding, "I could never get him to keep his promises." That chief of staff would be Mr. Hendrix, who Mr. Jackson said he was not aware was running for mayor. "You've got to be kidding," he said, adding that he in no way meant to endorse any candidate. A spokeswoman for Mr. Hendrix said the candidate could not recall ever talking to Mr. Jackson. Detroit's politics could be described as madcap. One council member, Kay Everett, was accused in a 27-count federal indictment last October of receiving bribes in the form of, among other things, sausage. Ms. Everett died of complications of kidney disease a month later. Ms. McPhail once made headlines for accusing the mayor's administration of rigging a massager in her office chair to shock her. She said in an interview this week that she had been misunderstood. Ms. McPhail, a former prosecutor, has pitched some of the boldest strategies to lure residents back, including using taxes collected from casinos to finance college scholarships for all residents. "Here's the question: 150,000 left this city under Dennis Archer, Freman Hendrix and Kwame Kilpatrick," she said. "Who's going to buy these houses? Everyone's leaving." In a recent survey of 400 likely voters by the Michigan polling company EPIC/MRA and paid for by a local ABC affiliate, Ms. McPhail received 22 percent of the vote, Mr. Hendrix 33 percent and Mr. Kilpatrick 24 percent. The top two primary finishers square off in November. While the mayor's scandals are on many minds, so are cuts to city services like late-night buses. "What about the people who work midnights? They can't get on the bus," said Yvonne Mantyk, 41, a cashier at a local restaurant who said she will not vote for Mr. Kilpatrick. "To take our buses in the middle of the night from people who really need them, that's really bad." Bucking the tide, Idella Ward, a 24-year-old loan officer recently returned to Detroit from the suburbs, said she was encouraged by a falling crime rate and signs of development. "You can see the progress; you can see the change," Ms. Ward said. "Whatever they accuse him of, he made a difference." | ||
Putnam Member Username: Putnam Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 165.121.209.60 |
How can NYT publish such implausible fiction? "...the housing secretary, Alphonso R. Jackson, praised Mr. Kilpatrick as a rare mayor who had been cooperative. 'This did not happen on his watch, this has been a systemic problem,' Mr. Jackson said. 'I couldn't even get the previous mayor to admit that he had a problem. I was consistently arguing with his chief of staff,' he said, adding, 'I could never get him to keep his promises.' That chief of staff would be Mr. Hendrix, who Mr. Jackson said he was not aware was running for mayor. 'You've got to be kidding,' he said, adding that he in no way meant to endorse any candidate." If it didn't happen on Kilpatrick's watch, why did it take almost four years for this action? Not for lack of cooperation it is said. Then why? How can this reporter uncritically present the bizarre assertion that the HUD secretary doesn't know Hendrix is running? Not only has HUD been enlisted in the Kilpatrick campaign, so, apparently, has The New York Times. Someone has friends in Washington. (Message edited by putnam on July 10, 2005) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 829 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
This is not a flattering picture of Mr Henrix. Funny how our own Detroit papers FREEP and News can never print anything negative on Hendrix but the NY Times can. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 442 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
"Neighborhoods have been far slower to show progress. In the latest blow, the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development took control on Thursday of Detroit's housing authority. But in an interview, the housing secretary, Alphonso R. Jackson, praised Mr. Kilpatrick as a rare mayor who had been cooperative. "This did not happen on his watch, this has been a systemic problem," Mr. Jackson said. "I couldn't even get the previous mayor to admit that he had a problem. I was consistently arguing with his chief of staff," he said, adding, "I could never get him to keep his promises." That chief of staff would be Mr. Hendrix, who Mr. Jackson said he was not aware was running for mayor. "You've got to be kidding," he said, adding that he in no way meant to endorse any candidate." At least there is real reporting from the Times...thanks for posting this Bin...it re-affirms what I already feel about a lame candidate who will lie and distort to gain power. Now what does the Times say about my candidate, Sharon McPhail? "Ms. McPhail, a former prosecutor, has pitched some of the boldest strategies to lure residents back, including using taxes collected from casinos to finance college scholarships for all residents. "Here's the question: 150,000 left this city under Dennis Archer, Freman Hendrix and Kwame Kilpatrick," she said. "Who's going to buy these houses? Everyone's leaving."" Niiiiice. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1679 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
There's something fishy about Secretary Jackson's assertion. He was Deputy HUD Secretary for less than the last 8 months of Archer's term. Jackson joined the Bush Administration in June 2001. How much interaction was he really having with Detroit officials right when he first came into office? Could this be some kind of payback for Hendrix managing Clinton's campaign in Michigan? He also states that the problems date back to the 1970s. Since he talked about supposed dealings with the last months of the Archer Administration, what is the history going back to the Young Administration? Also, how could he "not know" about a major political battle going on in one of the nation's largest cities? He is the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and it would certainly fall under his umbrella. Time Magazine, WSJ, and the NY Times, among others know, so should he. | ||
Putnam Member Username: Putnam Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.251.25.45 |
I am an absolutely undecided ABK voter. You won't find any apologies for Hendrix from me. But this is just LAME journalism for precisely the points you state Metro. Jackson most definitely knows exactly who is running for mayor in Detroit. He is lying when he pretends not to. It's laughable. It's surreal. I guess lying is OK. The NYT doesn't give a damn. On top of the point about settling 2000 election year scores, do you think HUD owes congresswoman Kilpatrick anything? Maybe. C'mon NYT. Put on some clothes! This is embarrassing for journalism. (Message edited by putnam on July 11, 2005) | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 443 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Ya...it is a coordinated effort on McPhail and Kwame's part to thwart the election by telling the NYT to write a crappy article about Hendrix. I'm so happy Sharon and Kwame have so much power over the media. | ||
Putnam Member Username: Putnam Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2005 Posted From: 68.251.25.45 |
Not McPhail, Kilpatrick. Don't you think that the congresswoman and mayor have some influence on the HUD secretary? To argue otherwise seems implausible to me. The problem here is journalism's addiction to retailing administration spin. There is no conspiracy required, just adept political gamesmanship and passive journalism. Thank goodness for open forums and blogs, eh? | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 444 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Well I've thought this for years: There are no journalists left, only copy editors who print press releases or "view stories" given to them by their editorial board. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2943 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.18 |
Can team Hendrix browbeat the HUD secretary? Does the missing $18 million under Archer (and Hendrix) play into the words and criticism by HUD? Archer used money to tear down public housing in Detroit and never completed his end of the agreement to rebuild. HUD then took back the money forcing Detroit to cover the costs. But as the man says, Archer never admited to having a problem. Hendrix, with his self proclaimed 30 years of public service should have known of these problems and been able to address them. But as the man said, Hendrix supporters take note! | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2945 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.18 |
Because Archer had the Housing department removed from the city's control. Archer took the CC authority away and thus removed input from Detroit citizens. But in the process he set himself up for this action especially due to the many problems reported in the Freep and DetNews. Housing was one of Archer's major sour points as mayor. He could never get it right and kept spending housing money on the CBD building lofts and other high rent condos. Graimark had HUD money spent on its demolition and land preperation. Because HUD is in Washington and they deal with hundreds of communities. The fact that they are taking over in Detroit shows how much Archer and now KK have screwed things up. While Hendrix supporters seek to blame Coleman for all of Archer's problems, the feds never stepped in on Coleman to take over parts of the city. Even the water department was taken over prior to Coleman taking office. I don't think BD read the article. He didn't supply a link and has not posted any reply's. Another blow to Hendrix by a team Hendrix member. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
I believe that the reporter may have mixed up Nettie Seabrooks and Freman Hendrix, when he volunteered that Freman must be the Chief of Staff that the HUD guy remembered. Seabrooks was chief of staff, I believe, for Archer's 2nd term. The HUD guy's description of the attitude sounds far more like Seabrooks than Hendrix. Seabrooks is an iron bar in a velvet glove. She did not entertain any criticism of the City at all, to the point of taking it personally. | ||
65memories Member Username: 65memories Post Number: 186 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.172.224 |
I'll wait for the NYT retraction, which should come soon. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 834 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Oh come on! How could anyone blame Nettie Seabrooks? She is a woman! Mr Jackson said "he" and recalled Mr Hendrix's name. The media has annointed Hendrix as their heir in this town when will people (not tools of the Hendrix camp i.e., Metro) realize that what the media wants us to see they will show us. The Michigan Citizen prints the truth and the NY Times prints the truth...they don't censor the people like the FREEP and News who want Hendrix. Remember they all endorsed KK last time and look at what we got! Don't let the Detroit media tell you who you should vote for. Go and listen to the candidates and make up your mind on your own! Or watch the debate. I bet you 100.00 there will not be anymore debates. Channel 7 is scared that if another one happens that Hendrix will lose again to McPhail and KK. The media in this town want a race between KK and Hendrix. They are doing all the can to bury the McPhail campaign (mostly with inaccurate polling) because they know she can beat Hendrix in the general. PLUS they want a mud-slinging race. A Hendrix KK pair up will be ULTRA nasty. KK cannot get the white vote or the middle to upper middle class black vote at all - he will do all he can to pull the middle/to lower income black vote to him. He will hit the churches and the activist hard. The majority of McPhail voters (accept for the progressive whites) will go to KK because they HATE Hendrix. For most McPhail the lesser of two evils - remember the school board takeover. The next few weeks will be interesting. ALSO rumor on the street is that KK is releasing some major dirt on Hendrix very soon. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 69 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
In my own defense - the HUD guy says that he could never get Mayor Archer to keep his promises. Then he says that he was always arguing with the chief of staff. Then the reporter volunteers that the chief of staff was Hendrix - (but that may be the reporter's error- Seabrooks was also chief of staff for a long period). So then, the HUD man is surprised. I submit that the reporter derailed the HUD guy and affected his memory of past events. HUD deals with a lot of cities and a lot of bureaucracies. People probably begin to run together. All in all, I question the prompting of the reporter. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 383 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
I do too. Sounds like this HUD guy is friends with the Congresswoman as well. From the first article that appeared in the Free Press last week, something just didn't add up with the story. So, you "Mc" fans, just cool your heels for a second or two. It's still a Hendrix and Kilpatrick race come November. (In my opinion). | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 449 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
ok 1honey. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 387 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
LOL!!! Ok, maybe everyone should cool our heels for a second or two. You know Detroit politics, anything could happen in the "D". | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 836 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Honey - It will be a McPhail Hendrix match up. The press again is brainwashing you. They are polling in areas where Freman does well and KK does well....they want a race between KK and Freman. They know that McPhail can win against Hendrix and KK. THey want her out. ALSO Netties Seabrooks was not Chief of Staff she was DM. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
Ilovedetroit: Nettie Seabrooks was chief of staff in one term and Deputy Mayor in the other. I forget which term was which but I worked with her on a Board of Directors and I know what titles she had. Also, if you google her you will see that she is reported many times as Chief of Staff to Mayor Archer. You appear so desperate for a smear that you can't read the NYT article with a discerning eye. Your assertion that Seabrooks was only DM is another example of your affinity for false information. You should check your facts first. You are often getting caught in hyperbole and half-truths. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 391 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Sorry, to old to be brainwashed. I don't trust Ms. McPhail just like you don't trust Mr. Hendrix. I don't agree with you about the match up of her and Hendrix at all. There are a lot of people in Detroit that don't like Sharon McPhail. Sorry!!! But, there's a county executive race coming up again, Maybe???? See ya after the Primary. (Message edited by 1honey on July 12, 2005) (Message edited by 1honey on July 12, 2005) | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 840 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Honey - Who needs ya! You are nothing but a snide person who never offers any suggestions...just tear down McPhail and her supporters. You are sad. Are you dating Metro? | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 73 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
Ilovedetroit: I looked it up: Hendrix was Deputy Mayor and Seabrooks was Chief of Staff during Archer's second term. The HUD Secretary recalls speaking to the Chief of Staff in 2001 (when he was first at HUD) - that would be Seabrooks. The reporter was mistaken to identify Hendrix as C of S. What followed were the surprised comments of a man trying desperately to remember a Freman Hendrix that he never knew. As Hendrix said, he (Hendrix) never had a conversation with the HUD Secretary. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 396 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Ilovedetroit, you are funny as hell. I don't know you or Metro. You eat, sleep and shyt McPhail and you are talking about me. You are the one who is sad and brainwashed. I have read all of your comments on Detroityes.com. Hell, I guess she needs you to help win something in Detroit. Like I said, see ya after August 2nd. This is a FORUM, I don't have to offer suggestions if I don't want to. You better work real hard for the lady!!! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 842 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
I thought you were already leaving us once Honey? See August 3rd. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 450 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
Hey 1honey...I haven't read alot of this thread...have you made up your mind for mayor? I think a big problem with perception here is that supporter's loyalty, that can be read as "hot-headedness," get's mixed up with that candidate's own message. Several people, for instance, expect me to explain or answer every question about Sharon McPhail. When I do either explain myself, or post an issue-based thread, I have a 100% chance of being attacked as a shill, or the thread will be deflected to some dark place that ends up with people "yelling." I'm not being hypocritical here...I really do realize that we are all human and I get angry and yell too...what I like to point out is certain member's hypocrisy: They like to talk about how I should always post a certain way, while looking the other way when other candidate's supporter's post in an identical fasion, or even worse. You say "Better work real hard for the lady." I don't see this as a contest to get votes out of you guys...half of which don't or can't vote here. I respect your opinions, but won't try to talk you into anything. That's for you to decide. -Quinnly | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 397 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
I decided to stay a little while longer, thank you!!! | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 398 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Sorry, Q, I have no beef with you on Detroityes.com. It's with certain folks that choose to campaign on Detroityes.com for their candidate about untruths and rumors. If that's your candidate, good work real hard for that person, but don't/and please don't call me brainwashed because I am not down with your person. Some folks do see this as a contest, just look at some of theirs posts. Q, I respect your post as well. Good luck to your candidate. I hope that some of these posts that her followers post, don't back fire!!! | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1861 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.79.90.248 |
Quinn, Have a nice day. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2965 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.79 |
WHERE IS THE RETRACTION? Hendrix and his supporters have been calling the Housing Secretary a liar and promised a NYTimes retraction of the story. Did I miss it? Can someone post a link? This is what Hendrix did. This is what Hendrix Said. This is who Hendrix is. The same thing was said about KK when he was running. Folks were warned but did not listen. Look at those ex-KK supporters today. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2968 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.210 |
WHERE IS THE RETRACTION? Looks like this is another lie by Freman Hendrix. First he lied to HUD now he and his supporters lied about HUD. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2969 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.4 |
Still Looking. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 83 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
The New York Times, even with the public editor position, is notoriously unwilling to address complaints. Recently a civic Board of Directors here ( heavy hitters, all) unanimously signed a letter of complaint to the editors and publishers of the NYT and never had the slightest response.The same people did not return phone calls. This is the same paper that called Detroit the "closest approximation to hell" in a review of 8 Mile. I guess that you think Hendrix should threaten to sue if the Times does not correct the clearly erroneous statements by the article's author Danny Hakim - maybe he will, but there's hardly time right now to get distracted. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 907 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Hendrix is caught and he has his spimmasters doing all they can to make him look innocent. Again another example of how that crook Hendrix is always innocent never taking blame for bad just all the good. Even the Metro Times questions him...there is just too much out there negative on him something will eventually stick to that lying thief - if the press would really look into it. But they don't want to be embarrased now - do they? | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
How is Hendrix "caught" by the NYT article? Hendrix was not working in the administration when Jackson came to HUD. The HUD guy is the one who has it wrong. The article even noted that Jackson appeared startled when the reporter fed him the erroneous information placing Hendrix in the discussions. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 910 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Hendrix - Is caught in several ways. 1) He was the man they were calling the files were passed down to Jackson from the previous administrator. 2) Teresa Hendrix- Walton is Hendrix's sister who mismanaged the HUD funding program and he was involved with her placement in that position. Although she allegedly got it due to her community liasion work? What work? She is a Hendrix that is what got her the job. Hendrix is knee-deep in this issue and it will only get bigger. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2971 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.4 |
Sharon McPhail was called a liar by a local editorial board. No quotes were given and the board could not prove their statement. BUT Sharon never called those members of the board liars and never attacked then on the radio. She did attempt to present her side of the story. By contrast, Hendrix and his folks have called the HUD Seceretary a liar and attacked HUD, accusing them of siding with KK's Momma. They also PROMISED a retraction in the NY Times and said it was coming out on Monday. Double talk and somebody is lying. Hendrix supporters were proud, quick and consistant in calling Sharon a liar for the news editorial. BUT they are very silent on this issue after they attacked everyone they could on this issue. Where is the retraction? If the story is wrong as Hendrix claims, it would be easy to get a one paragraph in the paper that they could show proved their statement. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
Terese Hendrix Walton is still employed at the Housing Department - so much for the bad wrap on her skills and work. Wouldn't they have gotten rid of her? And the Hope IV is now considered a success - maybe the success came under her leadership. You guys are desperate! You betray such poor reading and analytical skills. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 911 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Southwest - Hendrix-Walton is also "employed" as Hendrix's campaign treasurer. Under her watch at HUD 12 mill. was unaccounted for. You are only a biased supporter of Hendrix who is spinning lies to make your "questionable" candidate look less questionable. He is under scrutiny now of his many years of business dealings and should answer for them. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 87 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
But you aren't commenting on the issue - why is Terese Walton still working as a program manager at HUD if she is so incompetant and did the bad job you claim? Doesn't make sense! If true, why wouldn't the Kilpatrick people fire her? | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 913 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
How do you know she is still there? And is she one of the people under investigation by the FBI? And Southwest - why do you care so much? Are you on of his paid staff members? It is all over the news regarding the mismanagement...I don't get your defense? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2973 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.140 |
We are only talking about the accusation made by Hendrix that the HUD Secreatary is a liar and lied in the NY Times article. Where is the Hendrix appology for lying to HUD when he was the deputy and where is his appology for lying to people last week when he said he never lied? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2975 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.173 |
WHERE IS THE RETRACTION? Looks like this is another lie by Freman Hendrix. First he lied to HUD now he and his supporters lied about HUD. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1720 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Once again McPhail supporters backing Kilpatrick. More of the same. Where is the retraction indeed? How can a person that didn't start a job until June speak with another person that left in February? Time travel? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2976 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.62 |
MD, again you are calling the HUD secretary a liar but you cannot prove yourself. You and your supporters as well as your candidate have accused the secretary of endorsing KK, as you try to do in the post above, and you accuse the NY Times or prining lies. Mildred Gaddis even went on the air and said the guy from HUD was a liar. But that has been the Hendrix campaign. Lie to everyone and then lie to coverup the lies. I guess you assume that this adult was born the day before he became secretary and never worked before he took that job. But you would use his taking over the Housing department as a slap against KK. Will the Hendrix campaign ever run an honest campaign? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2980 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.62 |
And see how Hendrix supporters are willing to lay the blame on "Nettie Seabrooks". Allowing her to be labeled a liar and assume the negative criticisms from the HUD Secretary. Isn't Hendrix man enough to defend his fellow colleagues? Will he toss up others to take his blame so that he can go on lying? | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1054 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.213.225 |
These are the reasons I'm not voting for Sharon McPhail: 1. How can Sharon McPhail expect to relate to youth of today when she neglected to have any sons? Is she afraid of having male children because she's more concerned about becoming mayor? Why does she dislike male children so? 2. How can Sharon McPhail understand Detroit women when she won't even dye her hair blonde? Will she continue to ignore these women when the most popular hair color becomes green? Does she think she's too good to dye her hair the same color as the majority of women in the city? 3. How can Sharon McPhail be serious about becoming mayor when she can't even spend more money on campaign ads than her opponents? Why won't she rob a bank so that she can get more money? 4. How can Sharon McPhail continue to eat food on a daily basis when she knows that there are people in this world who are starving? Is she so concerned about her own health that she would nourish herself on a daily basis? How can her supporters allow her to do this right in front of their noses? Why is she so afraid to go on a hunger strike to demonstrate the plight of the starving? 5. How can Sharon McPhail wear sunglasses on a sunny day when hundreds of Detroiters are walking around without them? Why is she so afraid of the sun? Will she come to the aid of Detroiters without sunglasses by promising free sunglasses for all Detroiters who have lived in Detroit for eight years? Or will she continue to snub Detroiters without sunglasses by continuing to wear sunglasses when it's sunny? 6. How can Sharon McPhail say she is for Detroiters when she was born in Connecticut? Why doesn't she have the guts to falsify her birth certificate so that it shows that she was born in Detroit? Why is she so worried about jail time? 7. How can Sharon McPhail relate to Detroiters when she has an education that exceeds the education of most Detroiters? Will she use this added knowledge to write out detailed plans on what she'll do as mayor only to confuse the electorate? How can she be so inconsiderate to Detroiters who don't have law degrees? 8. How can Sharon McPhail be an advocate of the homeless and she won't even allow them to live with her? Will she continue this selfish practice if she becomes mayor? 9. How can Sharon McPhail understand the plight of the average Detroiter when she won't even catch DDot busses to town hall meetings and fundraisers? Will she continue to ride in a car after she becomes mayor and leave her supporters out in the elements waiting for the bus? As you can see I was being sarcastic in my reasons for not voting for Sharon McPhail. I did this to point out how some McPhail supporters like to "spin" mundane information about her opponents in an attempt to make them look bad. It shows how low McPhail supporters will stoop to make McPhail look good. What they fail to realize is that those of us with intelligence can see right through their immature attempts at character assassination. I thought I would provide them with examples of their own medicine. Now, under no illusion do I believe that they'll learn from this. However, for me, this has been a cathartic experience. (Message edited by royce on July 24, 2005) (Message edited by royce on July 24, 2005) | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1893 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.226.48 |
Royce, Thank you, that was priceless. Now, I suggest you duck.  | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2985 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.72 |
This thread is not about character assanination. Its about one issue. Did the HUD secretary speak the truth or did Hendrix. So far it looks like Hendrix lied. He even said that the NY Times would print a retraction backing up his claims but the NY Times has chosen to stand behind their story. Even the HUD secretary has not altered or changed his quoted statements. WHERE IS THE RETRACTION? I am looking for what was promised by Hendrix. A Retraction or anything to show how he told the truth. But this is typical Hendrix. Deny everything and offer nothing. Lie to cover up a lie. IF Hendrix had said something like, 'yes, its true but HUD under Bush was trying to hurt Detroit and I tried to help Detroit in the best way I could. The Secretary proposed things that would have put Detroit in harms way so we did what we could to preserve what we had...' (or something like that) With a statement like the above, even non-supporters would have understood and backed off this story. Bush is no friend of Detroit. But Hendrix tried to say that the republicans in DC are in league with KK. Laughable since no money has flowed to Detroit from Bush. We can't get DDOT money, Border money, Homeland Security that we are owed or even extra school funds. Things that would be a given if KK was working with and supported by DC Repubs. Hendrix and others (like Royce) think folks are ingornant and can't read and cannot remember. IF Hendrix was a truth teller and an honest man with the integrity that he likes to point out missing in others he would have walked away with this election over all candidates and incumbents. BUT under Archer Hendrix blew it when he allowed his ego and his personal views to dictate his actions and he not only failed to connect with the people but he ran in the other direction. Even many of Hendrix' closests supporters are there for what they are getting and not what the city will get. Only folks from the burbs or former Archer apointtees think the Archer years benefited Detroiters. But if your eyes deceive you look at the money and where it wasn't spent. ($17 or $20 billion is alot of money and should have increased revenue and made something selfsupporting. But its all on paper.) | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1723 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"IF Hendrix had said something like, 'yes, its true but HUD under Bush was trying to hurt Detroit and I tried to help Detroit in the best way I could. The Secretary proposed things that would have put Detroit in harms way so we did what we could to preserve what we had...' (or something like that)" Brian, fire up your time machine (Back to the Future). How can Hendrix have worked with HUD Secretary Jackson when Hendrix left office 4 months before Jackson arrived? | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.248.17.29 |
"Alphonso Jackson first joined the Bush Administration in June of 2001 as HUD's Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer." Check out his bio: http://www.hud.gov/about/secre tary/jacksonbio.cfm | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2989 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.157 |
Alphonso Jackson was a HUD administrator prior to him becoming HUD secretary. Alphonso Jackson worked at HUD while Hendrix was a city employee. Reveal the entire facts. But as usual Hendrix and Hendrix supporters would rather just call folks liars and such rather than deal honestly with the issues. Why does Hendrix always tell other lies to cover up his smaller lies? | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1343 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 69.215.246.6 |
1. How can Sharon McPhail expect to relate to youth of today when she neglected to have any sons? Is she afraid of having male children because she's more concerned about becoming mayor? Why does she dislike male children so? Can you give me a source where she stated this? Royce, you sound like an a$$ in this statement. That's like saying women with only daughters hate boys because they never had sons (Blame the men, not the women -- sperm dictates the sex of the child). Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? 2. How can Sharon McPhail understand Detroit women when she won't even dye her hair blonde? Will she continue to ignore these women when the most popular hair color becomes green? Does she think she's too good to dye her hair the same color as the majority of women in the city? Again, another stupid claim. You have educated women who dye their hair blonde. If she wants to keep her hair dark brown, that is her own decision. Is my own mother, who dyes her hair dark chestnut brown, too good for her parents because she refuses to dye her hair blonde? No. Most black women don't dye their hair blonde, Royce. 3. How can Sharon McPhail be serious about becoming mayor when she can't even spend more money on campaign ads than her opponents? Why won't she rob a bank so that she can get more money? Again, she and her campaign manager can choose how they can spend their money. Most of Kwame's and Freman's money comes back PACs and special interests groups who want them to be mayor so that they can outsource ("privatize") jobs and gentrify the city. Some just dislike her because she's an intelligent black woman like some men dislike Hilary Clinton. They both go against tradition and culture. 4. How can Sharon McPhail continue to eat food on a daily basis when she knows that there are people in this world who are starving? Is she so concerned about her own health that she would nourish herself on a daily basis? How can her supporters allow her to do this right in front of their noses? Why is she so afraid to go on a hunger strike to demonstrate the plight of the starving? Why don't you do the same, Royce? I'm sure many people on this board know that the poor and malnourished exist, but we have to keep our sanity and go on with our lives too. You have no reason to criticize Sharon McPhail. 5. How can Sharon McPhail wear sunglasses on a sunny day when hundreds of Detroiters are walking around without them? Why is she so afraid of the sun? Will she come to the aid of Detroiters without sunglasses by promising free sunglasses for all Detroiters who have lived in Detroit for eight years? Or will she continue to snub Detroiters without sunglasses by continuing to wear sunglasses when it's sunny? Refer to my previous response. 6. How can Sharon McPhail say she is for Detroiters when she was born in Connecticut? Why doesn't she have the guts to falsify her birth certificate so that it shows that she was born in Detroit? Why is she so worried about jail time? Since when do you have to be a "born-in-Detroit" nominee to run for the city? I think her resume of her work and service in Detroit that spans over two decades qualifies her to run for mayor. It's all about passion and determination, Royce. There are a lot of people who were born in Detroit (for example, Dr. Kenneth Burnley) who could give a schitt about the people in this city. 7. How can Sharon McPhail relate to Detroiters when she has an education that exceeds the education of most Detroiters? Will she use this added knowledge to write out detailed plans on what she'll do as mayor only to confuse the electorate? How can she be so inconsiderate to Detroiters who don't have law degrees? Are you saying Royce that people with only high school educations (or less) should run for the city since they "relate" to the general population? I'm assuming that Kilpatrick and Hendrix also have professional degrees. Why are you not criticizing them and they're also running for mayor of this city? You have people with college educations who live in this city, too. Vote for the person who is the most qualified and can make a difference, not one who can "relate" to the people. Kilpatrick is an example of that, and look at what he has done for this city. 8. How can Sharon McPhail be an advocate of the homeless and she won't even allow them to live with her? Will she continue this selfish practice if she becomes mayor? Why don't Kwame Kilpatrick or Freman Hendrix do the same? Since Detroiters overwhelmingly and supposedly "support" them in the polls? 9. How can Sharon McPhail understand the plight of the average Detroiter when she won't even catch DDot busses to town hall meetings and fundraisers? Will she continue to ride in a car after she becomes mayor and leave her supporters out in the elements waiting for the bus? And what about people in Detroit who do have cars, but chose not to ride the DDOT? Are they selfish, rude and inconsiderate as well? What about Hendrix who used campaign money to buy himself a Cadillac to ride in? | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1894 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.250.8.148 |
Ltorivia485, Please take time to read Royce's disclaimer.
Sometimes it's fun to twist some "logic" to make a point. You obviously were suckered into it. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 680 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.255.243.36 |
A referendum on style??? Horse shit, dear NY Timers. Pure horse shit. It's a referendum on three things: kids, cops and clean. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 469 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Obvious that someone didn't read Royce's disclaimer. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2991 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.33 |
Still looking for that retraction. Or did Mildred Gaddis lie when she called the Secretary of HUD a liar? | ||
4nointegreedy Member Username: 4nointegreedy Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.53.27 |
Why would you even mention her name. She is stuck on STUPID, and to proud to reverse out of ----. If the polls are correct, why do she spend so much time knocking other candidates, and so concerned about other candidates strategy? Is it because they know the polls are false and they are just plain scared? I believe so. Did you know that Archer Jr. is a G.Manager at RADIO ONE. RADIO ONE also contributed to the Falseman campaign. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1752 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"Alphonso Jackson was a HUD administrator prior to him becoming HUD secretary. Alphonso Jackson worked at HUD while Hendrix was a city employee." Hey Brian, you might want to chew on this... "Immediately preceding his appointment at HUD, Jackson served as President of American Electric Power-TEXAS, a $13 billion utility company located in Austin, Texas." (Alphonso Jackson biography on the HUD website) Again, how could Jackson have worked with Hendrix when Hendrix left 4 months before Jackson came on the job? RETRACTION INDEED! | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 108 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.86.206 |
And, Brian, you keep missing this: Jackson was prompted by the reporter to think that Hendrix was the Chief of Staff. The reporter was mistaken - Seabrooks was Chief of Staff in the second term - Hendrix was not the COS that Jackson met - its all a miscommunication. But, for your information - the NYT rarely backs down. Hendrix probably thought, as many have, that it would be easier to get the NYT to print a little "error correction" than it is. The NYT is non-responsive! And, just so you don't assume anything: I am not a Hendrix paid staffer or volunteer. I don't even have a sign in my front yard. I'm just commenting here in the interest of accuracy. | ||
Ro_resident Member Username: Ro_resident Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.85.13.248 |
The NY Times did issue two corrections (retractions; they call them Editors' Note Appended) on July 13. The original article was published on July 10: 1) Mr. Jackson was mistaken about who he talked to in the Archer administration as Hendrix no longer worked there, and 2) They noted that Kilpatrick's parents are divorced. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/a bstract.html?res=F30F13FD3E590 C738DDDAE0894DD404482&incamp=a rchive:search If the link doesn't work, go to the NYTimes.com archives link, then search for Hendrix over the past 30 days. "Editors' Note: July 13, 2005, Wednesday An article on Sunday about the coming mayoral election in Detroit reported that the campaigning shows the contrasting styles of Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and his predecessor, Dennis Archer, whose former deputy and chief of staff, Freman Hendrix, is challenging Mr. Kilpatrick. The article included an interview with Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso R. Jackson, who praised Mr. Kilpatrick and expressed frustration at dealings with the Archer administration, including a man he identified as Mr. Archer's chief of staff. The Times asked if the chief of staff was Mr. Hendrix, and Mr. Jackson said yes. Mr. Hendrix, however, had left the Archer staff before Mr. Jackson's appointment as secretary; a spokeswoman said later that Mr. Jackson ''had obviously talked to someone else'' in the Archer administration. The article also referred incorrectly to Mayor Kilpatrick's parents, Bernard Kilpatrick and Representative Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Democrat of Michigan. They are divorced, no longer a couple." I would call that a retraction | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 500 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
I would too, Ro_resident. Thanks for sharing that with some of us. | ||
Detbest Member Username: Detbest Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.105.255.66 |
Thanks Ro. There is so much inaccurate information in this thread that I didn't know where to even begin correcting some folks. Your link clears up this big fuss about nothing regarding Freman and Sec. Jackson (at least it should for most). | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 501 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Good post Detbest, good post! | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1755 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Brian, still waiting on YOUR retraction. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3000 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.84 |
someone who wanted to remain anonymous from the Hendrix camp had them create an editorials note, not a retraction. But this anonymous spokeswoman would not stand by the remarks in order to be identified. Perhaps because what she told the times is not true. Its bad times when folks have to lie to get elected. Then not have the integrity to stand behind their own statements. Why didn't Hendrix call the times? Is it because if someone contradicts his lie and exposes him as a liar he would be in trouble but with an anonymous spokeswoman he can always deny the denial. | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.40.42.98 |
That sounds like a stretch... | ||
4nointegreedy Member Username: 4nointegreedy Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.53.27 |
Things that make you say, HUUUUM!!! Why didn't he call the Times himself? Why was there no retraction instead of an editorial? Again, typical Hinderance, expect everyone to believe something is not true just because he says so. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1758 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
4noiteGREEDY, too little...too late. Coming on here out of the blue attacking Hendrix and rah rah McPhail didn't work for the likes of "Ilovedetroit" and Quinn in case you didn't notice. Brian, where's YOUR retraction? |
