  Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 137 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.216.139.38 |
I attended the forum tonight. One of my main interests of attending, was to see Hendrix in person and get a feel for his character. Hansen went on first, and he did a great job tonight. I tell you, that man has so much passion for this city, and he tells it like it is. He received a standing ovation. Big Pimpin' was supposed to be next, but he didn't come. Hendrix was suppose to be on at 6:30, but he was running late, about 45 minutes to an hour late. So Sharon went on next. I don't care what you all say about her, but she kicked some butt tonight. The woman is a genious, a saint.....very confident, but not cocky. Oh and by the way, she received 3 standing ovations. Hendrix went on next....the moment I have been waiting for. That man has so much anger in him, when he spoke, he was angry. I didn't understand that. I had to ask people, why does he sound so angry? His anger did not stem from his passion for the city or the people who live in the city. I had to get up and walk outside for a moment, clear my head, and I then went back inside. People were asking him questions, and his responses still sounded like he was mad at the world. Overall, it was a good forum and I really enjoyed myself. It was disappointing that Big Pimpin' wasn't there though, I have never seen him in person and would have loved to get a feel where his is coming from. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 495 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
Hey Bratt... I was there too! I got there late and watched Sharon kick ASS! Sorry, I got up and left when Freman entered...there was loud booing (I even think it was tacky to boo) when he walked in the room. I just couldn't stomach his voice. YUCK -Quinnly | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 949 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.42.170.20 |
Bratt - You beat me to it! I was there also...Hansen is a nice man but a little goofy. But nice. I would vote for him over KK and Hendrix and well most of the city council! Hendrix was very odd...I have seen him before and he was better than tonight. He was angry. He really unjustly attacked McPhail saying that "you need a mayor that won't take a year to find the bathroom?" That was just stupid. Then he openly lied about his role in school takeover - saying he had the "old lady escorted from the school board meeting"....right like it take 6 cops to escort and 80 year old lady! He was soooooooo arrogant...I had to leave. Like you I needed air and decided not to go back. He is just not the kind of person we need...arrogance is not a good quality. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 138 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.216.139.38 |
But what killed me was when he was asked why he had that old lady dragged out, he basically said he did what he had to do. No apologies for his actions, no remorse, it was like too bad so sad. Somebody should drag his mother out like that and see what he has to say then! | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1068 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.238.4 |
How can you be dragged out of a room if you are standing up? In the commercial that old woman is already lying on the floor before security got to her. They simply escorted her from the position that she had chosen to be in. How else do you remove a person who has purposely laid themselves on the floor? You McPhail folks are not telling the whole story. That's why most of us non-McPhail supporters think you folks are full of BS. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 542 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Don't worry Royce only six days to go and no one buys their bs except other McPhail supporters. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1734 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
I see that Bratt, "Ilovedetroit", and Quinn received their instructions (from the McPhail campaign) to post on the forum sometime before 9 pm last night. Good timing everyone, but try to change up the stories a little bit from the script. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 475 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
http://www.freep.com/news/poli tics/adwatch27e_20050727.htm | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 952 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Royce - The video does not show the entire scene it would cost a fortune to run the entire thing. The old lady was pushed down and lost her cane they then drug her out of the meeting. Do you understand how voters feel when they see this? Esp. African American voters who had to see scenes like this during the 60s...she was protesting. It is our and their right to protest esp. when they knew their right to vote was sold away to Engler by Archer and Hendrix. If this was McPhail or KK you all would be saying OMG look how citizens were treated. He is an AWFUL man with a short temperment. Have you honestly ever seen him speak Honey? Merchant? Royce? To a crowd other than upper class or younger creative class whites? He is sneering and arrogant. He knows how to play to the creative/country club classes - when it comes to plain old people he is a snotty arrogant man. That is why he is not going to all candidate forums now - he is scared people will see what a jerk he really is. This is not a nice man. This is not an intelligent man with the interest of the people at the top of his agenda. It is ALL about him. If I could have had a wish last night I would have wished all of you to have been there - you would have been shocked and a bit disgusted at the REAL FREMAN HENDRIX. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 477 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
Upper class or younger creative class whites, well that puts me out of the class. You all need to tell the truth when it is regarding that school board. I would never go to a forum or rally that involves McPhail supporters, PERIOD!!! SOME of her supporters like to fight and argue, I am not there to do any of those things. Please, don't tell me that it's not true because I have witness this kind of behavior in her past campaigns. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 547 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
ILD, in mayoral prediction thread you predicted Hendrix would get 39% of the vote. By or last post the only people that like him are upper class or creative class whites, last time I saw the figures you could add up all the whites and upper class in detroit and it won't add up to 39% even if you double count you couldn't get a 39% of voting population. So, please explain yourself, others most like Hendrix. Also, I have seen all the candidates speak in person and on TV. Just to let you know I am not in the upper class, or in the creative class. Simply middle class and educated. But I am white. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 548 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
1honey, you have to understand the type of people that can relate to McFailed. Ignorant, liars, clueless class and live in a fantasy world. I think she has the support of the call em out coalition so you can probably add racist too. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 958 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Merchant - You are part of his target group (do you live in EEV/IVA/Rosedale? He is esp. hitting on whites and strong voting middle/to upper middle class african americans. That is his stronghold. McPhail does very well with liberal whites and poor african americans and activist/grass roots/liberal african americans. Hendrix is also NOT a known candidate (meaning no one knows his negatives) - why do you think KK and McPhail are taking on Hendrix? Cuz know one really knows him...he has negatives that are attackable. They already have their bases they want voters who are voting for him cuz they want anybody but Sharon or Kwame. But when reminded of his negatives they are like "oh yeah he did do that or did do this"....Havnt you notices that Kk and McPhail are not attacking each other? It makes no sense - why should they waste money. Some people think they are being friendly they are not...they both know that Hendrix's voters are more vulnerable because they can count on their base. KKs numbers are NO WHERE near as high as he is reporting. He has to scare Hendrix people to him. And Merchant I am paying you a compliment even though you drive me crazy you are at least challenging and a thinking person. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 140 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.172.207.3 |
Metro: I wasn't instructed by anyone to do anything. I am not even close to Ms.McPhail and do not know her personally. I just report what I see. Get over it. | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2055 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
Why are you all attending forums as opposed to walking streets and dropping literature? If you want Sharon to win, you need to be in the streets. She has enough people who travel in her entourage to take care of forums. Need to hit the bricks.... | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 549 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
The reason both are attacking Hendrix is because polls say he is in the lead. In politic you always attack the front runner. Look at the presidential election. Before the first Democrat debate a poll showed Dean in the lead. Next thing you know everyone starts attacking Dean to drive down his support. Based on how Sharon goes after KK at the CC table she would be better off attacking him. Since she is closer to KK then she is to Hendrix. She should worry about Hendrix if she gets out of the primary. If you are No. 3 you don’t go after No. 1. First you go after No. 2 because it is a lot easier to jump one spot then 2. | ||
Detbest Member Username: Detbest Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.105.255.66 |
Exactly Merchant. McPhail and Kilpatrick are targeting Hendrix because he's in the lead and has the most support. The mayor's own polling has indicated that to him. Doesn't make since to target anyone else because their numbers are not as high and they are not likely to be in the race one week from now. I'm not sure if Sharon's done extensive polling but if she has its likely yielded the same results. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 141 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.172.207.3 |
And by the way Merchant, you have one more time to call me ignorant or a liar (all because I support Sharon). You really need to check yourself when you do this.....cuz' "YOU DON'T KNOW ME!" | ||
Sparkle Member Username: Sparkle Post Number: 512 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 198.109.44.2 |
Is there another forum/debate where the four candidates are expected to talk about their platforms, before August 2? If so, what date, time, place? | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 551 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Bratt, did I mention you by name, and I will be scared a little later. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.246.49.148 |
I, too, attended the forum and was very happy to hear all of the candidates. First of all, I had to go in with a clear mind so that I could listen. I am happy that I finally had a chance to listen to HC for the first time. Yes!!! This man has a lot of passion for the city. I just think he spent too much time telling us about his past. He should have went a little deeper about his plans to turn this city around. I did have the time to listen to him on the radio one Sunday morning where he said that we would probably have to get rid of the Public Lighting Dept. It just bothered me a little bit to hear him say that he would turn PLD into a profit making dept. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I will just say that everyone has entitlement to change his own mind. I do believe he cares immensely for this city. I wish him the best of luck in the race. As far as Kwame's segment.......At least I got to know a bit more about Hanson, due to the fact that he no-showed. Sharon, I am still learning more as I hear her speak. I truly like her plan. I think that being a city resident and working in the city, she is still looking out for my best interest. I did have the time to let her know my feelings about Detroit and this race. I let her know that I am a citizen that is on the cusp of leaving this city due to the Taxes, the Crime, the Schools here in Detroit. I believe she genuinely cares about the future of this city. I support her 100% in this Mayoral race due to the fact that she has not swayed on her platform. Due to the fact that Freeman was late for his time slot(my understanding is that he wanted to go last so he intentionally came late), I senses a lot of arrogance in his speech. I understand that can come from being the "frontrunner". Here are some things that I am concerned about Mr. Freeman. 1. When was Deputy Mayor he was part of an administration that signed a lot of contracts that are still in place today. Why won't he ever acknowledge his part of all these contracts? Instead he blames the present administration. 2.If his supporters continue to say that we can't judge him by Archer's success why does HE continue to take credit for all the good that took place in the Archer era. 3.The SCHOOL TAKEOVER. This is VERY BIG on my list because I know for a fact that him and KK had something to do with this. I am a parent that had send my kids to school with toilet paper, tissue not to menting their own school supplies. He said he had nothing to do with this. Well from my understanding he was a contributing donor in the proposal AGAINST the city residents picking their own school board. 4.Freeman said on WWJ a few years ago if he had his way there wouldn't be any city workers. He did promise that no city worker would lose their job.(yeah right) He also stated that no city workers were layed off during the Archer Administration(but they didn't get a contract either). Why did they leave the office with unfinished business? I feel this way, ANYONE that SUPPORTS this candidate(Freeman) and his mission WILL ONLY BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DOWNFALL AND DEMISE OF THIS GREAT CITY WE LIVE IN. WHEN YOU HAVE AS MUCH CORPORATE SUPPORT AS HE DOES, YOU WILL HAVE TO REPAY THEM SOME WAY, EVEN IF IT MEANS GIVING THE CITY AWAY IN LITTLE CHUNKS!! MY CHILDREN AND MY FAMILY DESIRE TO LIVE, WORK AND LEARN HERE. I truly wanted to hear him speak,in his voice there was a flow of anger and it seems that he was lashing out at the othe candidate. he is a very good speaker but I am old enough to know that eloquent speaking does not mean much to me. I love detroit and i want to see her prosper...not the corporations that have candidates in their pockets. Just my say!!! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 961 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
Apparently after I became ill at all his lies things only got more interesting at the meeting. After he was finished speaking he was strongly confronted with a number of questions from city employees...he could not answer most of the questions and became VERY aggitated. According to my friend who stayed, he tried lying his way out of several things and then was confronted with documentation by one of the union presidents who caught him in a bold lie. He left the meeting very mad (famous temper showing) and stormed outside where he was confronted by an elderly gentleman over his answer to one of the questions on the inside. This gentleman was disgusted at Freman's answer over his treatment of elders - Freman's answer was something like "I don't have to take anything from anybody if they are insulting me"...the old man yelled at him saying he is a public official and anything he says or does should be questioned and accountable(and apparently Hendrix yelled back sparking quite a controversy the old man (probably very upset) threatened to slug him.... I guess it got all messy and Freman's few supporters that were there were left looking quite shocked and at one point one of his supporter said "Mr Hendrix he is just asking a question".... I wish channel 4 could have been there for this. That temper of his will be his downfall. I am glad I did not stay it sounded very messy and something I would not want to be witness to. He sickens me and after hearing this story he sickens me more. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1388 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.211.208.76 |
Broken_main, you spoke like a true Detroiter. Freman Hendrix has a lot of baggage on him that many forumers on this board refuse to acknowledge. Hansen Clarke and Sharon McPhail have my vote. However, I want Clarke to remain in the State Legislature and possibly run for U.S. Congress. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 557 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
And like sands through the hour glass, these are the days of many lies. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1901 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.227.11 |
ILD, Always RUMOUR and INNUENDO from you. Your candidate is dropping in the polls, yet you continue the negativity. It ain't helping. Personally, I like Sharon McPhail, I find her to be a warm, caring person. BUT, I don't think her platform is feasible in today's economy and political reality (read State and Federal relationships). | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 964 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
And Hendrix has a platform???? What is he talking about that is so good Jams? What? And what is wrong with McPhail's platform? She is the only one talking about repopulating and growing our city - the only one! And as far as rumor and innuendo I was there for most of it...I did not see the confrontation at the end as I left but the person who told me I trust. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 95 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.246.49.148 |
Ltorivia485 I am very pro-Detroit and feel that this next mayor should be looking out for the best interest of the city and the citizens that elect him/her. I feel that just because you have a lot of money in your campaign fund(mainly supplied by big names that don't even live in the city) that you are not the best. I recently heard someone say that Sharon was the "poor mans candidate". Well, I am poor then. And to confirm this even better, my insurance rates are going up, my property taxes are on a rise and I can't get a raise. But I am rich in this city. I know this city. I ride down all the streets including downtown and show my new wife, who is not from here, all the things that use to be and I usually am happy that I see old buildings with new ideas and new businesses. I hate that this city compromises with big businesses just to make downtown bigger and better. Given this vacant land and all of these buildings away dirt cheap, IMHO, empowers the companies to tell the city what to do. It doesn't matter to me. I helped okay the 1.5 billion dollar bond issue so that my kids could have better schools, with better books, better teachers and some tissue to wipe their little asses(sorry). Not to be contracted out to hire consultants to figure out what to do with the money. The government saw that 1.5 and said "Oh my, we've got to get our hands on that." And that came in the form of a well orchestrated takeover, and they saw a pawn in Dennis and Freeman and ran with it. It looked good to everyone involved except my children and me. Of course we got a few new schools. by the way Cass Tech will have to drop their enrollment because the new building won't hold as many students. I think both of the new High Schools cost more than 200 million apiece. Its funny how these other school districts can get more building for less dollar and a nice campus to go with it. Anyway i could rant forever about this...I have said my say!!! (Message edited by broken_main on July 27, 2005) | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 563 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
I am so sick and tired of all the McPhailites saying Freeman support comes from the burbs. The last time I looked people in the burbs don't vote for the mayor of Detroit. So what is going to be your excuse when he wins the primary, because it will be Detroiters voting for him and Detroiters not voting for McFailed just like the last time she ran for mayor. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1391 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.211.208.76 |
I think both of the new High Schools cost more than 200 million apiece. Its funny how these other school districts can get more building for less dollar and a nice campus to go with it. Broken_main, my mother and I had this same discussion. The schools were actually $130 million each. However, I was in Rochester and Macomb Township and they build brand new high schools with the same accessories FOR LESS (!!!!!). The high school in Rochester only cost roughly $70 million. Why were the schools in Detroit so expensive, given that the materials and construction used where shoddy at best? That is why you must (please take this into consideration) NOT vote for corporate people in the city council AND school board. They know nothing about the citizens of Detroit and they definitely don't know anything about education. It's the people of Detroit, especially the children, who suffer the most when things go wrong for illegitimate and corrupt reasons. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 99 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.246.49.148 |
Well Merchant, Historically people tend to gather their views from the TV. Be it the news, commercials as well as newspapers. A lot of people here in Detroit do just that. They watch it and hear it all day. But the one thing they don't do is go listen to the candidtes speak. I have done that and I hear a lot of good ideas, except for KK because he never shows up at the ones I go to. Let's just say this, If GM donates money to Freeman and Kwame, why do you think they donated to two candidates instead of the one they support. Let's just say what if this same corporation asks their employees to donate to these candidates(even if they don't live here in the city) What, Merchant, do you think of this? I ask this because I personally have a friend who was confronted by his own management team in the said company. My friend resides in Farmington Hills and said this did happen. I don't know if he obliged but this is happening everyday. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 564 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Well I would say that GM is looking out for their future and GM believes KK and Hendrix are best candidates for the city. Do you know how much time and money GM has invested into the city? Trust me they want the city to prosper. They have just as much if not more at stake then most of the residents that live in the city. Citizens can leave (unfortunately it’s the ones with money not the poor ones that are leaving) GM has invested too much to pack up and go. By the way you said asked your friend did they force him, did they intimidate your friend to give money to him. Probably not at the end of the day your friend had the option to donate to any candidate he wanted to or not donate to any of them. | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 204.38.171.25 |
I'm an intern for one of the people who worked in Cass. Some of the finishings are extremely (read, excessively) nice. Polished aluminum and stainless steel paneling in some of the hallways is one example. High schoolers neither need nor respect this kind of stuff, I didn't. I can only imagine what the principal's office looks like.. probably marble and mahogany everywhere. Someone neglected to put their foot down on the budget, so we got fleeced. Not sure about the quality, time will tell. As far as seeing the candidates in person, I really wish I could've been at this one. I saw Freeman and Sharon @ school and maybe it has altered my perception. When I saw Freeman speak I really thought he was sharp, but it never occured to me that was because he was speaking to a room full of college students. 80% of the questions were from students saying "How do you plan to keep me in Detroit? There's nothing to do..." When he gets on development strategies the man is golden, imho. I bought it hook line and sinker. But one person in the back who was a little dissapointed in all the $ being directed into entertainment districts riled him up a bit. Hendrix explained that his strategy is to attract people with $ to boost taxes, then fix the poverty. While this probably sounded good to people in the room it's safe to say no one in the room was under the poverty line, and no one probably had kids. Now I'm reconsidering whether I want someone to tell me what I want to hear, which he did quite well, or to give me the agenda for the entire city, including the less fortunate. Sharon on the other hand, HAD to get significantly more crap than she would in Detroit. Every single bad thing that's ever been written came up. A girl who writes for the Michigan Daily asked about Sambo then pulled out a printout of the Detroit News story after her response seemed untruthful. I have to commend the woman for sticking around. She brought up the population plan and a guy next to me pulled out his calculator and decided then and there that her interest assumptions were unrealistic! Thus, I saw a defensive McPhail from start to finish It's hard to be pleasant in that environment but she gave it a shot. I guess my point is to see all the candidates at least twice if you possibly can. It seems I couldn't have picked a better place to hear Hendrix and a worse one for McPhail. Of my friends between 18-and 25 most are voting for "yall's boy". None have seen any candate in person. Hmm... | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1070 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.238.4 |
Broken main and Ltorivia, some of the things that you have heard about the schools just aren't true. The media is in the business of getting your attention to improve their ratings, which helps them get more advertising dollars. They ran with the toilet paper story but they didn't have all the facts. I work in a Detroit Public School and I can tell you first hand that there never was a shortage of toilet paper. The reason that there wasn't any toilet paper in the lavatories was because students were taking the toilet paper rolls and throwing them down the toilet. In some cases causing the toilets to overflow or become clogged, requiring a plummer to come out and fix the problem. Also, students would waste the paper by rolling it off the rolls unnecessarily so that the result would be tons and tons of paper lying on the floor. The solution to the problem of students throwing toilet paper rolls down the toilet and wasting the paper was to have the teachers keep the toilet paper in their rooms and when a student needed some the teacher would dispense it. End of problem. Regarding the supposedly wasted spending of the $1.5 billion that voters had approved for capital improvements, one has to remember that one of the reasons the previous elected school board was removed was because after a few years to improve the school buildings or build new ones, nothing had been done or money was being mis-managed. Because of gross incompetence on the part of the elected board, Governor Engler decided to take over the Detroit Public School System so that the necessary repairs to school buildings or the building of new schools could be carried out. The thing that has to be remembered is that the $1.5 billion was for capital improvements. This money could not be used to buy books, computers, toilet tissue, or other supplies for the schools. If the operating budget showed a deficit, the district could not use the money from the $1.5 billion capital improvements fund to cover that deficit. So when people say that under the reform board the district had a deficit, that was due to the operating budget not balancing. It had nothing to do with the $1.5 billion in the capital improvements fund. This money was used to repair or build new schools. Now, whether or not the new Cass Tech and other schools that were build should cost what they cost is debatable. I don't know what a five story one city block long school should cost. However, I do know that the $1.5 billion from the capital improvements fund could only be used to repair or build new schools. And it appears the fund has done just that. (Message edited by royce on July 27, 2005) | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1393 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.211.208.76 |
I work in a Detroit Public School and I can tell you first hand that there never was a shortage of toilet paper. The reason that there wasn't any toilet paper in the lavatories was because students were taking the toilet paper rolls and throwing them down the toilet. In some cases causing the toilets to overflow or become clogged, requiring a plummer to come out and fix the problem. Also, students would waste the paper by rolling it off the rolls unnecessarily so that the result would be tons and tons of paper lying on the floor. Royce, no one said the above happened. That was Engler's lie (and the media) to convince people to do a state takeover over the school district. I knew the toilet paper fiasco was misguided to the public. As for the cost of the new schools, I still believe the cost for DSA and Cass Tech was overpriced. | ||
Sparkle Member Username: Sparkle Post Number: 524 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 198.109.44.2 |
I work in a Detroit Public School and I can tell you first hand that there never was a shortage of toilet paper. I beg to differ, in the schools I went to King 93/94, Osborn 95/96 there was never any toilet tissue, we started to bring our own and leave it in the locker. If someone was throwing tissue on the wall, it was their tissue to throw. Last year of King various people brought in tissue or the teacher (girls/women have to stick together) and would ration out tissue before we went to the bathroom. The books were older than I was, some books you could not take home because they were limited number, when my sister and my younger brother went to osborn, they used the SAME books. You got a ration of pencils/pens and paper at the beginning of the semeser. It was really sad. I do not agree with the take over, they could have spent the money on providing these things to the schools. But to say the the schools were well stocked, uhmm at least in the schools I went to and my friends went to not so. | ||
Eastsidechris Member Username: Eastsidechris Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 4.229.24.134 |
Bratt: Freman had a good reason to be so late. He had an appointment with someone at 4:30 @ his campaign office on Jefferson and what was supposed to take 30 minutes took nearly 90 minutes. He was probably uptight because the appointment went so long and that it was a tense meeting. Sorry I can't say any more. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 142 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.67.37 |
First off...there was a shortage of toilet paper. I guarantee you that.... Next, I have a question from the Freman supporters. Freman was deputy mayor under Archer. During his term, what was he responsible for? I mean, what plans did he put into place to help the citizens of Detroit? Don't say reducing crime by 30%..that was Benny. I just want to know, what did he do to make him a good candidate for mayor? And don't mention what Archer did....I want to know what was he directly responsible for. Before now, I have never heard of the man and he was in office 7 years. I mean, if deputy mayors don't do anything, why should we have them in the first place? Start listing all of the things he did to help us Detroiters.... | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 143 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.67.37 |
Oh another question, what was he before he became deputy mayor? | ||
Detbest Member Username: Detbest Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.105.255.66 |
I belive he was an Assistant County Exec in Wayne County under McNamara. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 569 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.168.234 |
http://www.detroitblog.blogspo t.com/ Some interesting commentary on the election from Detroit Blog Guy. While you might not like what he says his writing always puts a smile on my face and makes me laugh. | ||
Detbest Member Username: Detbest Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.105.255.66 |
Bratt, about your earlier question, I don't know all the answers to the questions posed about Freman's job experience and accomplishments, others may have more details. From my recollection and my experiences with the City, Freman was Chief of Staff during the first four years of Archer's administration. He managed the appointees and departments and was responsible as I understand for implementing the administration's strategies and policies. In this respect he was similar to longtime Coleman Young aide Charlie Williams in that he was the guy you went to if you "really" wanted to get something done. It was during the second term that Freman became deputy mayor. How his job responsibilities changed I'm not exactly sure. In terms of Freman running for mayor, in my mind his previous experience is very important because he gained an intimate knowledge of the City's inner workings. In my mind the City doesn't need these grand visions that I think are the strengths of Kwame and Sharon. We need someone who can roll up their sleeves and lead the major restructuring that needs to take place. In terms of accomplishments I recall Freman leading the budget issues, stadium development, empowerment zone and casino vote. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1073 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.238.4 |
Sparkle, it's unfortunate that your schools lacked supplies. From 1993-1995 I was in charge of distributing textbooks to the students at the middle school that I worked in. We gave the students a textbook for every subject that they needed and told them to keep the books at home until we asked for them in June when school ended. As a result of implementing this system of book distribution, few students lost books because they didn't have to bring them to and from school. The teachers had a classroom set of textbooks so they didn't have to worry about a student coming to class without their textbook. The book system worked and saved money. Fewer new books were needed for the next year because the students kept their books at home, and they usually came back at the end of the school year in excellent condition. Public schools should always have textbooks available for students, but I disagree that they should also provide loose-paper and pencils. These items are the resposibility of the parents. One of the reasons that there's so much apathy and a lack of responsibility among many public school students in Detroit is because they think everything is supposed to be handed to them. Their parents can buy the latest FuBu outfit for them but they can't afford a notebook, binder, and some pens and pencils. Paper and pens should only be provided to students who come from truly poor families: the migrant family from Florida or the refugee family from the Sudan. Everytime we provide the basic supplies for students who can afford them, there's no money left for the latest computer or trip to the science center. As a result, money in Detroit Public Schools is often wasted. Until DPS makes some changes in policies, it will continue to waste money. | ||
Sparkle Member Username: Sparkle Post Number: 529 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
I never said it was the schools responsibility to provide supplies. Kids are there to read, WRITE, learn arithmetic, not visit science center. The essential supplies of school is pencil and paper, otherwise there is no need for a school. They can just run a tour bus around detroit going to the museums. Just be cause 10 kids were FUBU, dont mean other kids arent struggling. You dont know the problems in that home, so supplying half a pack of paper and 2 pencils twice a year, to assist in their education, thats the least you could do. Considering the rate of functional illiteracy, if supplying a few pencils and paper can assist in the education, then I am all for it. But, toilet paper and the necessary essentials, such as up to date books is a requirement. There is absolutely no excuse for those things to be sub par. Its no reflection on political candidates in my opinion. Just stating the facts. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 144 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.67.37 |
Detbest, Thanks for the insight. But you did say that we need someone who has the intimate knowledge of the city inner workings. Kwame has been mayor for 4 years, doesn't he have this knowledge? That doesn't make him a good mayor. In terms of acomplishments, please help me out on this one. The stadium and casino votes, didn't that come way before him? I'm not sure, just asking a question. Also, please give me some more insight on what he has done for the average citizen, someone like me who pays taxes. One more question...hopefully someone can answer it. In what year did the City of Detroit outsource jobs to Strategic Staffing ( I think that's the name of the company, the same one Hendrix worked for after leaving office). And are they still outsourcing jobs to them today. Thanks for any insight you can give. | ||
Detbest Member Username: Detbest Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.105.255.66 |
Bratt, my comment about knowledge of city inner workings was speaking to the value of Freman's previous experience. I agree, that alone does not make one a good mayor. But, that type of experience is valuable and as a new mayor he would be on a much shorter learning curve than any of his competitors would be as first time mayors. My other comment was about the stadium development itself and the casino vote. During Archer's term Freman helped lead the city's effort with the new stadiums. This was in conjunction with Wayne County and the new stadium authority which came about during that time. Also, the casinos were approved by city voters during the Archer administration. This later led to the state wide vote and the casinos opening. I may need you to help me out little on your question about what did Freman do for the average citizen. My view of city government is that they should provide good police protection, to make the city safe; help foster an environment that will allow for economic development and provide good basic city services. I guess what I'm saying is during that time my experience and what I've heard from others is that the city was better run and managed. Were things perfect, definitely not. But my experience as a businessman and resident was that city services were better, development sharply increased and the city overall was better run. This in my mind speaks directly to the average citizen. About Strategic Staffing, I don't know exactly when they started getting city business. The firm itself was started about 1990. Last I heard they were still getting City business under Kilpatrick. I'm pretty sure that the President of S3 has been a contributor to the Mayor. I do know that S3 folks are steering clear of Freman's campaign (at least publically) and my understanding was that this was to protect their business from the City. Business is business you know. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1741 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"It is our and their right to protest..." A funny quote from "Ilovedetroit" who had previously claimed to be "a White female"...then later "a White male"...then later "a Black male"...then later "a White, Black, and Native American male"...and now "a mixed race male that does not identify with one particular race". "To a crowd other than upper class or younger creative class whites...He knows how to play to the creative/country club classes" Again, a funny quote from "Ilovedetroit" who previously claimed to be "a White, Blonde woman" and a "creative class type". | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 145 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.172.207.3 |
Thanks Detbest for your information... | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.40.42.98 |
Metro, respectfully... I no longer give a flying F what ILD claims to be. It doesn't add/detract anything from McPhail. You're beating a dead horse here. Could you please move on??? | ||
4nointegreedy Member Username: 4nointegreedy Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.53.27 |
Let's be real and deal with the facts and only the facts. Freeman Hinderance only looks stately, and thats as far as it goes. The Argurable/Hinderance admin. brought the stadiums, but who piad for them? Tax payers shelled out more than $170million for Comerica Park , the avg. Detroiter can't afford to take afamily of 4 or more to a game , get good seats,a pizza, drinks, and definitely not a souvenier. Casinos: ARE you aware of how much it has cost Detroit in law suits ($100mil+) filed by all of the businesses that were closed to make room for the casinos on the riverfront as promised by the AR/HND admin. No casinos will be on the riverfront, that area south of Jefferson is now a part of the Detroit ruins. We must not forget Graimark (now-Jefferson Village), under the pretense of eminate-domain, the AR/HND admin. along with baby Archer took hundreds of homes from Detroiters, many of them seniors on fixed incomes who had lived in their homes for 30+ yrs and had paid them off, forcing them to have to start all over in life. Yes they gave them approx $27,000.00 + $8,000.00 for relocation, but who can buy a decent home for less than forty thousand these days. And to add insult to injury, they began building $300-500,000.00 homes on those same lots. Over 80% of Detroiters can't afford such. ( Graimark/Jefferson Village is located south of Jefferson btwn. waterworks park and St.Jean). We most certainly can't forget Compuware. The same admin sold them prime land for nothing more than $1, yes, $1. They also have a tax abatement, yes, they donot have to pay Detroit taxes for twenty+ years. And all the jobs they were to bring? Over 83% of their employees live outside of the City; no taxes there. PLEASE,what good is it to have a house, let alone a glass house,if yo own peeps can't enjoy it, and it's only fo outsidas to come in rec and leave? | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 579 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
4nointegreedy, I don't want to tell you how many things are so wrong in your post, but pretty much everything. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 198.208.160.27 |
"the avg. Detroiter can't afford to take afamily of 4 or more to a game , get good seats,a pizza, drinks, and definitely not a souvenier" Neither can the avg Clevelander, Chicagoan, or New Yorker. That's why they have cheap seats. I took my three nephews to a Tigers game last month. It cost me $32 for 4 tickets and $35 for food and drinks. Parking was $5. $75 for 4 people to enjoy an afternoon at the ballpark. In comparison it cost me $45 for one ticket to Cedar Point. We're quick to load up a bus and go spend our money in Ohio, but won't go downtown and enjoy a park we helped pay for. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1743 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Rosedaleken, respectfully, where were you when "Ilovedetroit" was making all kinds of erroneous claims about Hendrix? Credibility is absolutely an issue. You're right, his/her claims don't add anything to McPhail, but it certainly detracts from her campaign. Let's not play the hit-and-run game. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 295 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Metrodetguy, will you ever let up? You are very anal, very annoying, very retarded, and very yucky. You are nothing more than a parasite who contributes nothing to this forum. Yet, you constantly rag on those who contribute meaningful information to this forum. Yes, Ilovedetroit, Brian, Bratt, and Quinn are vocal supporters of McPhail. So f*ing what? Get over it. They are not Hendrix supporters. You are a mental basketcase. Even though you refuse to admit it, you are not well. Trust and believe that, will ya? | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1744 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Shave is name-calling and asking someone to "let up" the best you can do after your erroneous claims about the "Sambo" awards were exposed? I hate to inform you that false information that promotes an agenda/ideology that you support does not constitute "meaningful information". And telling someone to "get over" false information and not challenge it speaks volumes about your character. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 147 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.68.69 |
It's okay Shave, we should offer Metro help. Is Northville Psychiatric Hospital still open? Or maybe, he is currently a resident and they let them play on the computers....which means he can't vote anyway...so he's not a threat. Let him play, maybe it's just his way of expressing himself. It's got to be boring locked up in an institution all day long. Poor thing! | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1745 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Bratt, look at it this way. On August 2 you can still name-call and make all the false accusations that you want. However, the rest of Detroit will have spoken and you will have to face reality. What you do after that is your choice. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 149 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.68.69 |
Metro: You made a false accusation yourself, I didn't call you a name....except "Metro". I could really give a hoot about what you all think of the outcome on August 2nd. Look at how the presidential election turned out. Bush got back in, many of us mourned, and we went on with our lives. I do not work for any political person, so I will still have my job. I do not work for the City of Detroit, so I don't have to worry about my job being outsourced. Yes, I own a home and pay property taxes, however, if it gets so bad here, I am not in a position where I cannot move. Kwame has brought us down, true enough, but we are still here aren't we? If Kwame gets back in, we will probably go into receivership. If Freman gets in, our property taxes will probably go up, safety will stay about the same, population will keep decreasing, many people will lose jobs, and everyone who voted for him will be pissed off, but we will all probably stay and tough it out for the next 4 years...just like we did with Kwame. If Sharon gets in, crime will decrease immensely, people will start looking at coming back to Detroit, we will actually get city services, people who live in the city will be able to get city jobs, alot of outside contractors will be out of jobs, and us McPhail supporters will be dogging the hell out of you Hendrix fans. (We're hoping you will just leave). With that being said, life will go on after August 2nd...well Metro..for most of us because we actually have lives. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1746 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"It's okay Shave, we should offer Metro help. Is Northville Psychiatric Hospital still open? Or maybe, he is currently a resident and they let them play on the computers....which means he can't vote anyway...so he's not a threat. Let him play, maybe it's just his way of expressing himself. It's got to be boring locked up in an institution all day long. Poor thing!" 15 minutes later... "Metro: You made a false accusation yourself, I didn't call you a name....except "Metro"." Credibility counts Bratt! | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.68.69 |
WHAT?????????????????????????? ?????????????????? I was poking fun at you. I would not actually call you a name because what I really want to call you is not proper on this forum. So please chill, don't get all worked up, take your medicine... | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1748 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Credibility Bratt...keep trying! | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.40.42.98 |
Was I here at the time? Fair enough, no I wasn't. The fact remains that you made your point a long time ago. Assume forumers are capable of rooting out misleading statements on their own. Or, at least that we remember the last time you found an inconsistent statement. Either way, 5 reminders a day is excessive. | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 55 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.40.42.98 |
Besides, with the exception of Jams, I'd say most people have made up their minds by now. Time's running out. | ||
4nointegreedy Member Username: 4nointegreedy Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.53.27 |
"But won't go downtown to a park that we helped pay for" My point exactly , we already paid, so why should we have to continue to pay. Over 100 million in tax payer monies!!! Heck we overpaid. And yes ,my facts are facts (well I may have been a few dollars short on what it really cost the tax payers. I rounded down.) Merchant- just because you say it's wrong, doesn't make it wrong. That's the same tactic Falseman Hendrix uses, say facts aren't true,but never backs it up. I know,I was there. Why don't you ask him concerning those facts I brought out( for yourself).But don't tell us the results, save yourself the embarassment. | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 301 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Metrodetguy, I could not help but call you what you are--a mental basketcase and a very annoying retard. I am just waiting for the outcome of this Mayoral election because I will then be able to make a decision regarding whether I will make Detroit my future home or not. Hopefully, whoever you are, we won't end up being neighbors. You scare me--for real. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2994 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.33 |
MD sure is angry for a person who's candidate is supposed to be in first place and a shoe in for november WITH polls showing him winning there too. Wouldn't that make a person happy? If Sharon McPhail was on the top in Hendrix's polls I would be happy. Unless of course the polls were phony and the opposite was true. Royce wrote, Which is completely untrue. I am sure Royce and others believe this but it because they were never told the truth. Engler had to approve the bond money spent per state law. As soon as the proposal passed in Detroit, Engler vowed never to allow any of it spent unless it was to his people. BUT he could not just takeover the system. Legally the school board was the only entity whom could choose who would do the work. (Not the Superintendant as is the case today. Elected persons was in charge.) A committee was chosen who had begun to plan. It was during this planning that the takeover occured. The FREE DPS (elected board run system) never had a chance to spend any money. No money was ever mispent or mismanaged. There was no gross incompetance. None was ever identified and if anything improper had occured, there was never any charges or even investigations. This belief that Royce shares was based on racism. Royce may not be racist or prejudice but those promoting the takeover used prejudice against the DPS to fuel anger towards the system. Now the system has fallen apart. Why did the DFT support the takeover if none of the money could be used for anything that would affect the teachers? In all the teacher strikes and negotiations the conditions of the bldgs NEVER was an issue. Royce also said, Sorta like folks who have been victimized in some way because they did not to die at birth thus were positioned to be a victim. Royce, that was heartless. I hope your grandma is never arrested. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1749 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
Rosedaleken, again respectfully, you're here now, yet I have not seen one admonishment from you of the tactics of people such as "Ilovedetroit". What do you mean by "I wasn't here at the time"? "The time" is currently...he/she (and others) are continuing to make false allegations by the minute. Talk about "five times a day". | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1077 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.164.243 |
Brian, as much as it pains me to respond to one of your post, I feel compelled to do so now for many reasons. First of all, for the first time you have stated a claim that does not include or bad-mouth Freeman Hendrix. I am simply stunned that in all that you said in post #2994 about the school take over, you didn't mention Hendrix's name once. Instead, you rightfully went after Governor Engler, the culprit you should have been attacking from the very first time arguments about the takeover were debated. I applaud you for that. Although, I do not agree with your claim, it is the first to address the takeover of the school board that does not implicate Freeman Hendrix as the ring leader like so many of you McPhail supporters have argued. The facts have always shown that Governor Engler was the ring leader of the school board takeover. Now, I disagree with your claim regarding the elected school board(ESB) not having time to implement the $1.5 billion capital improvements fund(CIF). This was a bond proposal that was approved by the voters in a November election. ESB members, with the exception of maybe a few new members voted in that November, were at the helm when the money for the CIF was put into play. Now, I don't know the exact amount of time that elapsed between the ESB having time to use the CIF money to the time that Engler decided to take over the ESB because the CIF money wasn't being spent, but I'm sure it wasn't immediate like you claim. The ESB had months to use the CIF money to start repairs, but no repairs or construction of new school buildings were being done. This is why Engler decided to takeover the ESB. The ESB was showing how inept they were and something had to be done. The governor, John Engler, decided to takeover the ESB. Period. Brian, that's what happened. If you want to go back and fill in the timeline from the time voters approved the $1.5 CIF to when Engler took over the ESB feel free. Regarding the elderly lady in the commericial, who's being escorted out by security at the school board meeting that Freman Hendrix chaired, why don't you, Brian, explain to us, who were not at the meeting, how a person who should be standing at the microphone, completing her comment or question to the board, get carried out of the meeting by security? Brian, the only way security can carry me out of a meeting is if I first, refuse to leave from the microphone after my allotted time has expired, and second, fall to the floor, like a child having a temper tantrum, and refuse to get up and walk away from the microphone under my own power. Now, Brian, which one of these things did the elderly lady in the commercial NOT do? | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 2998 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.41 |
Royce, you admit you don't have all the facts on the school takeover and you admit you were not present when Hendrix became a little hitler and abused the right to free speech. But you continue to try and push what you feel is the reason for both events. | ||
4nointegreedy Member Username: 4nointegreedy Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.53.27 |
Royce is obviously like those people who like to hear themselves speak, he likes to see himself speak, right or wrong. there is nothing more pathetic than a person who is willfully ignorant, and proud of their stupidiness. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1081 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.242.18 |
Brian, you also don't have all the facts about the school board takeover or you would have presented them in your post #2994. I would hate to waste my time researching the facts and then proving you wrong just so that you can "spin" the information in your favor. However, I will do the research because there would be nothing more gratifying than to prove you wrong. 4nointegreedy (the dumbest user name on this forum), it is obvious that you're a McPhail supporter. And like most McPhail supporters you believe in all of that Michigan Citizen BS. Try reading something that's not so biased and not on personal witch hunts. 4nointegreedy, as a "newbie" you shouldn't be so critical of someone like me who has over 1000 posts that make a whole lot more sense than the seven pitiful posts that you have come up with so far. I look forward to responding to the rest of your BS so that I can show everyone else on this forum just how pathetic, ignorant, and stupid you are. | ||
4nointegreedy Member Username: 4nointegreedy Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.53.27 |
Well Royce, you proved me RIGHT!!! Haven't you heard the old saying, "it is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Now everyone sees. |
